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@markplott4820

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly the Muck-e is NOT a Mustang 🐎, it's a DONKEY made in Mexico. the Muck-e is OVERWEIGHT and too HEAVY, it weighs Hundreds of pounds more than a PLAID with 3 motors. and FORD has CRAP infotainment and Software. good luck with the COOLANT system not LEAKING.

@thomasw9905

2 жыл бұрын

Do we expect all EV manufacturers build their own charging station grid? What a waste! They should be standardised and open for everyone. Let‘s not repeat the mistakes of the past!

@jamesseay9943

2 жыл бұрын

If you don't have the ability to charge at home, you probably shouldn't be buying an EV, period.

@gary3074

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesseay9943 Rapid charging is pure evil

@1989rs500

2 жыл бұрын

Ok sure the Tesla is a winner but to be frank. For a purely 1st attempt by Ford this is damn incredible Remember Ford is a 18 USD vs 200+ USD per share company. And yet its flexed its EV muscle damn close to a tech giant like Tesla. I think Ford engineers deserves some real credit to have not completely copy a rival and yet ve a unique BeV that frankly felt better to drive and has good range than what even Giants like Porsche, Audi, Volvo, VW etc were able to make Every Tesla fan wants Ford, GM etc to die. But I feel that they shud b given a chance and given a chance Ford did extremely well

I don’t get why Ford & other traditional OEM’s haven’t installed chargers in all of its dealerships…they’re basically convenient everywhere, and it could be a way for the dealership to make xtra money from their parking lot space.

@TeslaDo_d

2 жыл бұрын

Because DC fast chargers are not cheap! A 250kW charger can cost upwards of $50k with installation. And then there's the maintenance.....

@bearlemley

2 жыл бұрын

The dealerships don’t belong to Ford probably makes it a little more difficult to decide to do that.

@forizzlejizzle7032

2 жыл бұрын

Some do some don't its dealer dependent.

@GreenBlueWalkthrough

2 жыл бұрын

They have though... Like in Floprida they are more convent they telsa's chargers.

@USGrant21st

2 жыл бұрын

Why would anybody want chargers at dealerships? You need fast chargers only when traveling long distances, so you need them on interstates, highways, etc.

A performance Mach E with five seconds of limited performance = fail in my book. A better solution would be to throttle back on the high performance once the range decreases to 75 - 100 miles.

@Ignacio.Romero

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is the thermal management of the batteries, not range. Batteries can only sustain a high power output for a short amount of time before they get too hot

@Ads7903

2 жыл бұрын

With our Tesla if you floor it here and there you can actually hear the cooling/hearing system come online. It’s a running joke when driving because it’s like it’s saying “Oh you wanna drive hard? Lemme get my batteries ready for ya!”

I surely hope Ford pays attention to this. The 5 second rule is actually worse, it's diminishing full power based on speed. So at 70mph, you loose about 200 HP. I'm a GTPE owner and i live my life 5 seconds at a time.

@anto6408

2 жыл бұрын

I have one GT performance grabber blue got in October pre-ordered in May ..amazing car much better looking than tesla model y..but with a big limitation that ford unfairly doesn't tell the buyers to sell more and almost a brake deal for me that I use to have performance cars.. YOU CAN NOT HAVE THE FULL POWER FOR LONGER THAN 5 SEC AT THE TIME THAN THE SOFTWARE CUT THE POWER TO HALF TO COOL AND PRESERVE THE BATTERIES..THIS MEANS YOU CAN NOT DRIVE REALLY AGGRESSIVE AND YOU CAN FORGET TO PERFORM AT THE TRACK BECAUSE EVERY 5 SECS YOUR CAR WILL CUT THE POWER IN HALF AND WAIT COUPLE OF SECS TO RECOVER UNTIL NEXT CUT..ANYWAY VERY VERY ANNOING😬..FORD GIVES YOU A UNBRIDLED EAXSTEND MODE ("TRACK MODE") BUT IT IS ANOTHER SCAM BECAUSE JUST CUT HALF OF YOUR POWER FROM THE BEGINNING SO THE CAR HAS NOT TO DO LATER..FORD DOESN'T TELL YOU THIS..OTHER COMPANY(PORCHE/AUDI) TELL YOU WILL HAVE A BOOST FOR LAUNCH THAN YOU POWER WILL BE LESS.. TESLA MODEL WHY LOOKS LIKE A FISH BUT AT LEAST PUSH HARD WITHOUT ANY CUT OF POWER..I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE BETTER ENGEGNERING OR JUST THEY CARE LESS ABOUT THE BATTERIES🤔 I WAITED SO MUCH FOR THIS CAR THAT COSTED ME 70K😬😱 AND THAN FORD CAME OUT WITH THIS TYPE OF SCAM ..UNFAIR AT LEAST😬😱 THE LIMITATION IS JUST SOFTWARE ANYWAY FOR MY UNDERSTANDING SO THEY COULD FIND THE WAY TO REMOVE SAFTLY THIS LIMITATION🤔😬

@RobStevens64

2 жыл бұрын

I decided not to get the GT since I would basically be paying almost exclusively for looks and Magne-Ride. It would never see a track. The Premium will be enough performance to make my daughter giggle when I hit the accelerator.

@RobStevens64

2 жыл бұрын

@@anto6408 Sell it. You'll get more than what you paid for it right now. This is obviously the wrong car for you. Ford is warrantying their battery for EIGHT YEARS. Yes, they're going to tweak the software to preserve that battery so you're not burning through it in half the time, and at their expense.

@Steve-yr5vi

2 жыл бұрын

The difference being Ford has produced and supported reliable vehicles for years; Tesla's still are not a complete product. Ford knows what brings buyers back in to buy another is making cars with comfortable, well thought out interiors people still love years later. The summary of this video sums up why the Mach-e was selling as fast as Ford can make it. If you want a track car why are you buying an EV to begin with?

@Boltbacker83

Жыл бұрын

@@Steve-yr5vi you’ve obviously never heard of a model S plaid apparently

Lol at Ford having to restrict the acceleration after 5 seconds... that is really sad.

@ThaDirtyOne7

2 жыл бұрын

It's not having to, it's choosing to, to ensure longer drive range which is what 90 + % off consumers care about.

@robkremers4993

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThaDirtyOne7 tell that to the countless MachE owners and enthusiasts on the forums who are upset this wasn’t disclosed anywhere in the buying process.

@vanjames1984

2 жыл бұрын

They "chose" to use pouch cells from LG which have thermal expansion issues (see Chevy bolt and their fire problems when charging - same cells), so it's not really a choice for them to not have this problem. The cell form factor is the issue.

@ThaDirtyOne7

2 жыл бұрын

@@vanjames1984 thanks for clarity. Good info, I'll look into this a little deeper.

@vanjames1984

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThaDirtyOne7 no prob, anyways good thing to be aware of since I know alot of people are hoping it's just like a software lock or something, but it's more of a hard issue than people realize i think

The Mach-E GT only provides full power for 5 seconds at a time to "save" the battery?! That's inexcusable.

@dzerres

2 жыл бұрын

And that's the expensive GT version. Ridiculous. Tesla has ZERO such restrictions.

@AndersonERockefeller

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure Ford will provide an update in the near future to turn off 5 sec limit .

@anto6408

2 жыл бұрын

I have one GT Performance and I hope it. Worst is misleading because Ford didn't tell you anything about this

@zigadabooga

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndersonERockefeller 10 seconds in 2027

@USNEM

Жыл бұрын

​@@dzerres they also have zero QA, and bullshit EPA range.

A year after this video was posted, we bought a Tesla Model Y. Price, charging network, features, and safety all combine to make a very compelling car. My last two new cars were both Fords, Mustang GT and Fusion. I still have the fusion, but I only drive it around town now, trips are for the Model Y. Dealers are killing the Mach-E by tacking on "market adjustment" surcharges. After the Tesla purchase experience, I don't ever want to go to a traditional dealership again.

@ronin4580

10 ай бұрын

Other than never owning a Ford, I agree 100%.

@rickeybarnes6471

9 ай бұрын

track mode is now on the y performance . Next give us drag mode!

No track times between the 2 ? I noticed you were at the track.

@leviathantice2770

2 жыл бұрын

yea because that would tosh their rhetoric

@Chris-cu2mc

2 жыл бұрын

Lap times would not follow the narrative of the mustang fanboys.

Hi Edmund's team i have a question ❓ can i see proof on your results that Blue Cruise is better than FSD please?

Blue cruise is a step above when it can’t even handle “curves”?

@bobjoe109

2 жыл бұрын

Blue cruise (more like Blue's clues) is pretty bad haha. Sandy Munro did an interesting video on it.

@zigadabooga

2 жыл бұрын

Edmonds is biased at best.

@BG-ej5fy

Жыл бұрын

This guy is a clown. Blue Cruise is 10 years behind Tesla autopilot

Laughing at folks arguing 0-60 and 1/4 times for daily driver crossovers. Regardless of their horsepower numbers these aren't track machines and never will be. Buy the one that you find attractive, enjoy driving, fits in your budget and you won't have regrets. Basing your decision on "performance" numbers will leave you second guessing yourself after the novelty of stop light racing quickly fades away.

@josephquinto5812

2 жыл бұрын

Tesla Model Y is great on the track. Plus, I like to take my car the local strip. There is a reason these numbers matter to people, even if you cannot see it. The MYP is one of the quickest SUVS on a track, and with a couple unplugged performance upgrades, it’s literally THE fastest SUV on a track.

@E_Static

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't say they weren't capable of being on the track but 99% of the buyers of these vehicles aren't tracking them period. And if track use is one of the purposes a potential buyer is contemplating then there are much better options out there. This is coming from someone who owns EVs.

@alexnutcasio936

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephquinto5812 you mean suspension upgrades. They do nothing for motor upgrades.

@alexnutcasio936

2 жыл бұрын

@@E_Static I own them as well and performance, aka bragging rights, is essential. Just because you’re a fuddy dud driver doesn’t mean everyone else is.

Hey Model Y, were you designed by the Space X team? Cause your panel gaps are out of this world 😌👌

@ismaelcarrillo3956

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Ford, we're you designed by your 118 year company? Can you glue the windshields on right? And maybe the Phont to Key registration?

@DavyDave1313

Жыл бұрын

@@ismaelcarrillo3956 here is your L 👋

Absolute insanity to consider Ford Blue Cruise as remotely comparable to Autopilot. I drove a Mach E for a week up and down California in August 2021 and it can barely stay in a lane at highway speed. Autopilot is predictive and works everywhere. No comparison whatsoever.

@mikefranks4528

2 жыл бұрын

thank you- an unbiased response. The presenter in this video has definitely been paid by Ford to push this inaccurate and false rhetoric.

@mitchman54321

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I literally laughed out loud. They can’t even work on many roads in the country… let alone any road with lane markings like Tesla…

@poseidon129266

2 жыл бұрын

MunroLive had a good video on Blue cruise, doesn't even work if the highway curves, only straight.

@TXKorea

2 жыл бұрын

BlueCruise was not released until October 2021. I believe you're thinking of adaptive cruise.

@brentvance3958

2 жыл бұрын

I’m sure the many people who have died because autopilot didn’t work would disagree with you. But they can’t because they are dead.

So after 5 seconds your GT turns back into a standard Mach e. Lol The non performance Tesla's are faster and quicker in a 1/4 mile than the GT performance

Brake feel? Curb weight? Autonomous driving? Can we get the extended version of this review?

Nice review! Thank you.

I completely disagree on the FSD. Having used both, Teslas are years ahead. Tesla can be used in the city and highway. It can recognize and stop at red lights or stop signs. It can exit a highway on its own. And it works everywhere. It’s not geofenced. Ford only works on premapped highway roads. It can not be used on city streets. The reporter also left out one of Teslas best features: it has over the air updates. It’s been doing this since 2012. Mach E is supposed to get them, but last I checked, they still can’t do it. Teslas also have KZread, Netflix, and many other entertainment options. It’s like owing an iPhone instead of an old Nokia. Mach E is not even close yet.

@socalsp3

2 жыл бұрын

Where's apple or Android auto?

@cobrachannel100

2 жыл бұрын

@@socalsp3 What do u need that shit for when Tesla's native infotainment is way better? I never found myself thinking "oh it would be nice Android auto". R u kidding me?

@jamesseay9943

2 жыл бұрын

Lets look at this from a safety standpoint. The ford has a set of cameras pointing at your eyes to make sure you are paying attention. I don't think Tesla has that. So what is that worth when you are the passenger, or letting other family member drive your EV? Just trying to look at this from all perspectives.

@deenobrown1

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesseay9943 the newer Tesla models have the interior camera now too. To me it’s much safer having to hold the wheel. Having your eyes on the road and not holding the wheel could cause a delayed reaction to an emergency. Teslas require both. Eyes on the road and hands on the wheel. So from a safety standpoint, using your metrics, Tesla wins again. Plus all teslas have received the highest safety scores of any vehicles tested.

Can't stop staring at the Model Y's bumper not meeting the hood.

@robsolf

2 жыл бұрын

The panel gaps are worse than a 90's Hyundai on that thing. Another 5 years of settling and I'm not sure the doors will open and close.

@myyoutubename152

2 жыл бұрын

You think that's bad? Look at the B pillar in shots @7:05. That's a 2" gap from the ceiling of the car!!

@marshallnotmathers6668

2 жыл бұрын

Same here lol

@marshallnotmathers6668

2 жыл бұрын

@@myyoutubename152 horrible gap. Looks like they avoid the service center...

@mikemaddox6951

2 жыл бұрын

Good thing the gt would be looking at the back bumper. So don’t worry about the gaps. The Tesla will take the gt to gapplebees

Mach E on build quality alone. No excuses at that price point.

@OlJackBurton

2 жыл бұрын

Tesla build quality must really suck if Ford blows it away. Ford already has 2 recalls for the windshield and glass roof...

@tri3pleagent

2 жыл бұрын

@@OlJackBurton you heard it from the reviewer's mouth...is what it is.

@oxide9717

2 жыл бұрын

The tesla's made in the US have terrible built quality cos they basically bought the factory from Ford and retrofitted the EV equipment from factory built on ICE cars the cars from shanghai don't have any of these built quality issues .

@oxide9717

2 жыл бұрын

It's still not an Excuse to the poor built quality they need to build better

How did you not redo the the range test after the OTA update?

Now there is track mode for the MYP!! Have you done an updated track test?

Ford, GM and Stellantis should have been working on a joint charging network before they even introduced their first EV!

i'm surprised you picked the blue cruise over the tesla auto pilot ? Sandy Munro tested the blue cruise on the highway and it was absolutely terrible ? Maybe Ford has tweaked it since then.

@rahpowah01

2 жыл бұрын

They've done nothing to it since that vid and it is still terrible in comparison. This review was a complete piss take.

@raydoherty5419

2 жыл бұрын

Blue cruise is like a ball and a stick compared to auto pilot, not even close

@rabidsquirrel22ben

2 жыл бұрын

They've had to have done some updates to in since that test. I live near that stretch of highway where they filmed that video and tested the same curve in my Mach-E (running production version of the software obviously) where it told him to put his hands on the wheel and I never got saw a prompt to take back control.

Great video

What track is that? Is it the Porsche experience center?

I feel like the model Y did well compared is a year older with more wear and tear, than a BRAND NEW mach E

Kinda bummed, I was hoping for a drag race between these two after you teased how good the model Y is at drag races.

@markplott4820

2 жыл бұрын

Model Y is even better, after taking it to Unplugged Performance garage FIRST and have them TUNE your Tesla.

@edmundscars

2 жыл бұрын

stay tuned...

@rodfatherfishing9223

2 жыл бұрын

@@edmundscars race the same year cars please.

@raydoherty5419

2 жыл бұрын

The model Y will walk the drag race easily, will own the GT on the track too.

@shilvock22

2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree, I've been dying to see two brand new performance versions of these two vehicles do a drag race. This was a prime opportunity to do so and you didn't deliver. Hope you can in the future. Preferably with the same model year.

Dod u really try this bluecruise thing??? It doesnt work! Its so buggy im scary to use!

I'm sorry can you clarify after all that analysis you based your decision that Telsa Y is a better sports drive based on a single criterian that 5 second issue you identified?

I own a GT Performance 2021 and Tesla M3 Performance 2021. id say there very close to each other, one drives better the GT and, one has better tech the Tesla. The GT is way more comfortable though but, if I'm going on a long trip I'll take the Tesla there charging network is years ahead of the EA (Electric America). The GT gets way more attention like I have people waiting out in front of my car sometimes when I come out of shopping centers to ask questions about it. Both are great cars the Blue-Cruise is amazing when it works but it's very limited but not much different then my FSD which honestly only works about half the time too (very bad phantom breaking out here where I live guessing the area is not mapped out to great) The GT gets over the est driving the Tesla always is way under (GT is good for 260 I normally get around 270-280) The Tesla is rated for 315 I normally get around 240-250) Both cars cost about the same I paid $70,040 for my GT and I paid $70,560 for the Tesla. Love them both. If I was to keep one it would be the GT hands down just better build, better ride and I charge at home 99% time so the biggest benefit of Tesla does not impact me. (the charging network)

@NO3V

2 жыл бұрын

Substract FSD from the Tesla price. Ford doesn't really offer any more functionality than basic autopilot. Suddenly the value proposition looks quite different. Also: have you tried to reduce tire pressure for better ride comfort as Musk suggests on Twitter?

@jamesseay9943

2 жыл бұрын

Wow. Since you own both, I'd trust what you say.

@Xasukis

2 жыл бұрын

@@NO3V I did then lower the air, but then TPMS (tire pressure monitoring system) senser goes off to refill it. I agree with your statement on the FSD price and if I'm being fully honest that was the biggest waste of money to buy atm I'm sure sometime in the future it will be worth the price but not even close atm.

This is a well thought out piece. I own a MYP. The knocks are justified. But I absolutely love the car. Never going back to ICE.

@timmos184

2 жыл бұрын

What? Are you claiming the Ford screen is better in any way? It's vertical, no youtube, no netflix and all that dumb knob does is volume control, which is on steering wheel and is not less distracting to reach for on a screen Autopilot is awesome, I've been using it for almost two years, blue cruise is shit. Their knocks are not justified, they are biased POS. Some things they said maybe true, but because of all their bs, you shouldn't trust anything they say, you can't know if you haven't experienced it yourself. Fuck em, I hope Edmunds disappears with the producers of gas guzzlers and air toxifiers.

@johnleeuw3022

2 жыл бұрын

@@timmos184 never driven the mach-e. but i own a MYP. i’m just being honest. its not perfect in every way. but i’m never going back. i turn my own wrenches. 20k mi. no issues. love this car. we need ford to be in the game. tesla’s mission is pulling everyone else along and it’s working. but i wouldn’t put money on F. this is not investment advice. do your own research 😜

@johnleeuw3022

2 жыл бұрын

just to be clear. you’re right, blue cruise is a joke. but most ppl won’t understand why. and the infotainment of the mach-e is subpar. there is no true comparison to tesla. but ford did make an ev that doesn’t totally suck and doesn’t look like an EV-1.

@ThaDirtyOne7

2 жыл бұрын

One of the few very honest responses.

@brentl7437

Жыл бұрын

These new EVs benefit us all. We'll have much better options in the future. Tesla has done wonders for this market. After having the Tesla, and then driving the Mach-e, I just much prefer the Ford. I don't do long trips, so charging and range aren't an issue. I suspect 90%+ people probably rarely take their car more than a few hundred miles away. Just a guess. I don't need a race car, they both are more than fast enough for most of us. The Ford is quiet, smooth, and I actually prefer the interior and infotainment layout vs Tesla. And I never have liked the appearance of the M3 or Y. Model S rocks it. I really like the MME look. All very subjective and I don't think you can really go wrong with either.

How many charging station are there in the US for the Ford?

Great comparison!

Maybe they should do rolling starts also and see how they compare

Did they just run a comparison test between a brand new Mustang GT and a 1 year old Tesla Model Y? Let’s run this test again, a year from now, when the GT is one year old and the Tesla is a brand new one.

@paulo3011

2 жыл бұрын

Ford provides cars to publications. Tesla does not. Edmunds bought that one. But the MY isn't substantially different from it's previous versions.

The Mach E looks like a Mustang that stopped working out, started eating fast food, and generally let itself go.

To be honest that fords screens reminds me of an android tablet with plasticy knob while the teslas screen reminds me of a refined apple tablet that just works .

I respect preserving the battery life but agree a hard compromise at that price. Ford tends to play it conservative with their EVs whether it is range or preserving the battery. Works out well in the range where you get more than promised. Hopefully with time and software updates they can loosen the reigns on the power limitations.

@georgecostanza2695

2 жыл бұрын

"Ford tends to play it conservative with their EV's..." What EV's?

@vanjames1984

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know if it's a software fixable issue. The pouch cells they use from LG expand quite a bit when under thermal pressure, so thermal management is an issue. So if you were to have too much thermal pressure by opening up the performance taps all the way, this could be a dangerous thing just because of the type of cells they're using. Tesla uses cylindrical can cells not pouch cells so they don't have same issue

@kxhonda

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is in there thermal cooling. They skimped on it and now they have to limit power so it doesn’t over heat the batteries when ran hard.

@nsrracer76

2 жыл бұрын

I’m sure they’ll follow Tesla and offer power up software updates for a fee.

@stephenzerfas5307

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgecostanza2695 I am including in their phev’s in that statement. Escape, Fusion, C-Max PHEV’s.

Both were not tested at the same time. And also comparing last year car's results to this year.

@AntonioLop14

2 жыл бұрын

Tesla is better I'm crying 😭

Did a test drive on both vehicles, Model Y by far.

Good luck wih the Electrify network compared to the Tesla Supercharging stations on a road trip.

@ALMX5DP

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe someday soon the Supercharger network will be open to everyone.

@twany442

2 жыл бұрын

@@ALMX5DP They will in 2022

I am pumped to see Ford continue to improve their electric platform. Still a bigger fan of Tesla though. They do some really incredible things.

@Mustgtcs07

2 жыл бұрын

The Tesla does have nice features, but dam they are UGLY!!!

@roberthoward9500

2 жыл бұрын

Amazing considering their history but Ford have a less evil boss than Tesla.

@dzerres

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mustgtcs07 I love the look of ours. I'm still wondering why all the competitors have grills. Talk about ugly and useless but that's where they spend their "design" money instead of on software, OTAs and performance.

@cessealbeach

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I had a rental Model Y for a whole week, here is my 2 cents, Very bumpy ride , rattling noises, range not as promised, the ride had only 10K miles. don't own an EV yet , will not buy a Tesla forsure, I would like to Test out the Mustang GT, so far Not available for rental

@shilvock22

2 жыл бұрын

@@cessealbeach makes me wonder if a deal like the one with Hertz will actually hurt Tesla as people will be able to try them out like you did and have the mystique brought back down to earth.

Mach E GT is a lot more competitive than I was expecting. Choice is good.

@dzerres

2 жыл бұрын

You weren't listening. Play it again.

@raydoherty5419

2 жыл бұрын

It isn’t competitive, the model Y easily beats it. It’s a good daily driver with good range but on the test track it gets demolished.

@andrewrae50

2 жыл бұрын

@@raydoherty5419 how does it get “demolished” outside of the 1/4 mile? Did you watch or read this? I own one, and just sold my Model 3 Performance/ you have no clue what you are talking about / performance isn’t all about 0-60. My best car by far I own is the slowest by a LOONG shot but will smoke the Y, GT and many others on the track /

@jnrivers

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewrae50 I don’t think either two of them actually watched, or paid attention to the video.

@raydoherty5419

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewrae50 if they actually publish lap times you will see, the Y performance is a much better track car and will put down much quicker times.

Thanks for the video. Seems like either one is a great option

WoW! Nice review! 💖👍

I heard that the Mach-E does not allow you to run it full throttle more than 3 times due to preserving the battery, is this true? After 3 hard launches the Mach-E goes into limp mode. @8:13 you answered my question. Thank you! This is a deal breaker for me

@dilrajshergill9323

2 жыл бұрын

Are you kidding me??? Oh my god if they put that same feature in the Ford lighting I’m not buying this at all

@EricFortuneJr.

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not exactly limp mode. It’s not that great of a reduction. You probably won’t notice it unless you’re actually at the track. Ford knows most drivers probably aren’t racing these things. At most, they might get on it for a few seconds until range anxiety kicks in. On the flip, I wouldn’t be surprised if the tuners came with a way to override that. Would likely void the warranty unless Ford themselves decide to offer it as an over the air update.

I thought I would easlly chose the mach e gt. I saw it at Laguna at a Ford stand and I thought it looked great. But what's the point of performance if you can't even use it. I use my friends early production model 3 to drive into the hills all the time. We are always giving it alot of throttle. If the mach e can't even survive 5 seconds of acceleration on flat ground how would it do trying to climb hills quickly or making a high speed pass on the interstate. It's like they sold a mustang GT 5.0 with the cooling system from a focus.

@JonathanEzor

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, those other use cases would be perfect for the Mach-E. It is (currently) limited for more than 5 seconds in full-on 0-VMAX mode. In any other contexts, especially things like high speed passes, it's excellent.

@BruceDragon-sf1tr

2 жыл бұрын

A Mustang 5.0 frame with a pinto motor in it 🤣

@JonathanEzor

2 жыл бұрын

@@BruceDragon-sf1tr Find me a Pinto that goes from 0 to 60 in 3.8 seconds without an exploding gas tank or a cliff behind it.

@BruceDragon-sf1tr

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonathanEzor you must've miss the joke bro🤷‍♂️

I wish we could just get a combo of the two. The Mach-E GT just looks sooooo good.

Fantastic video. Whole time I thought you were going to go with the mach E but definitely see why you went the MYP route. I grew up with mustangs my whole life but we have our model y performance delivering in 2 weeks so we are excited!

@mocheen4837

4 ай бұрын

I have had three Mustang GTs when I was younger. Now we have a Model 3 P and a Model Y P for daily driving. I have a manual BMW M3 in the garage and was close to picking up a GT 350. I am going to hold out for a 911 S now.

It's unfortunate a 2021 Model Y was not available for this test. Using an almost 2 year old electric vehicle, I would assume battery has degraded some (charging habits) which would impact your range test. I could only imagine the degradation from a mach e in 2 years. Looking forward to the head to head track video.

@MichaelOrtega

2 жыл бұрын

These people don’t care to do apples to apples comparison. They never do

@superbud333

2 жыл бұрын

Temperature is also a big factor for EVs. I don't think they ran the Tesla again on the same route when they tested the Mach-E

@Darthmaull0101

2 жыл бұрын

To run a Model Y that is over a year old where Tesla is consistently changing how they produce their cars is disingenuous. Why not use a 2021 Tesla just like they used a 2021 Ford?

@shammyh

2 жыл бұрын

Other outlets have compared the Model Y to the Mustang Mach E and come to similar conclusions. So even if this only one data point, the trend is that the Y LR and the longer range Mach E variants are either nearly equal or with a slight advantage to the Ford. Simple as that.

@mikefarino4368

2 жыл бұрын

Have you looked at the data for tesla degradation? It's about 1% a year on average. That I'm sure is within their margin of error.

respect to ford for trying, but Tesla is one damn hard company to beat

@Icayn

2 жыл бұрын

Frankly this review sounds as if Ford already beat Tesla is most areas that matter.

I didn't know about the 5 second rule. You just saved me 70 grand (or more). Thanks.

I want to know how you guys do any kind of performance driving coming out of Santa Monica, other than stop-and-go.

That slow, choppy touchscreen on the Mach-E would drive me nuts.

@mcart1234

2 жыл бұрын

The suspension falling apart drives me nuts on the Model Y.....

@TheCarCrazyGuy

2 жыл бұрын

The fit and finish on the Model Y drives me nuts.

@Nimatodes

2 жыл бұрын

@@mcart1234 True, I hate when 1% of cars get a recall. Hey, at least you have a convertible on your Mach-E. :D

@mcart1234

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nimatodes 1% suspension, 2% for airbags, 5%+ for screen issues, 60% for panel alignment issues, all for body panel creeking.... yep solid. 😀

I just bought my model y performance for 63k, even with all the recent price hikes.

@USGrant21st

2 жыл бұрын

my condolences 😥

@alexnutcasio936

2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations…….you’re not limited to 5 seconds.

@jamesseay9943

2 жыл бұрын

Coming from a MME owner, I say congrats. Each one of us should buy the one that best suites their needs.

@RooftopKoreanOverland

2 жыл бұрын

100%, I’ve been driving electric without gas with Tesla since 2017, while the facts in the vid for Tesla could have been portrayed in a better way, this isn’t rivalry, it’s simply every car has its pros and cons.

@carlmarl6531

2 жыл бұрын

DW about it, model y is a great car.

I own the MY Performance and listening to this review is difficult. Him using words like messy, wobbly, loose, etc is absolutely biased and untrue. The MYP is amazing and fun to drive! Off the line, the Mach E GT leads for a quick second or two, but over a quarter mile, the MYP wins! It doesn’t top out or limit you. I guess it just depends on what style you like. It’s like comparing an old school Camaro to Mustang to Charger! They’re all pretty close. Just pick the one that appeals to you!

Sold my horrible build quality 2020 Model Y, and bought a 2021 Mach-E GT. The looks, quality, luxury and fun to drive of the Mach-E leaves the Model Y in its dust. Tesla has a real competitor in the Mach-E. If Ford can keep up with the production and demand of the Mach-E, Tesla will find itself very quickly in deep trouble.

would have to go with Tesla based on this.

I’ve got a M3P and put lowering springs on it and I can feel everything in the road. I don’t mind because I wanted the performance upgrades provided by it!

@thedumbconspirator4956

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully tesla does add magneride or air suspension. I do think the Model 3/y has some of the best coil springs, but thats like saying blackberry has the best phones with a keyboard. Although, Im very pleased with other aspects of my M3P!

@mocheen4837

4 ай бұрын

I have Mountain Pass Performance coil overs on my Model 3 Performance and the handling is improved. The suspension also absorbs the bumps better. My wife has a 2023 Model Y Performance and I would like to change the suspension as well. The 21” wheels are a bit harsh on rough roads.

Does the Mach-E GT come with the famous Ford Mustang Mens Cologne?

Big difference between the two: Tesla will cost you the same for everyone who order it online (the only way to buy it new) no dealer or salesman hassle. In Puerto Rico (were I live) Ford dealers are selling the Mach E with a 10K to 15K premium

Yes, because taking your hand off the wheel to find an awkwardly placed volume knob is better than keeping your hands on the wheel and using one thumb to adjust the volume. Brilliant insight.

@xeontis

2 жыл бұрын

There's a volume button on the wheel, you don't have to use the knob. Life isn't black and white.

@MrShahramk61

2 жыл бұрын

Let see how many people will break that knob. Doesn't look solid to me.

@forizzlejizzle7032

2 жыл бұрын

@@xeontis Yup volume and radio controls on the steering wheel.

@jamesseay9943

2 жыл бұрын

Except you forgot one thing, the passenger sitting beside you who want to crank it up or turn it down. I love it in my MME; its genius.

I was riding with my coworker is his Tesla a week ago I was alittle surprised about the rattling noise. It was a bit disturbing but it was a nice ride though.

@X862go

2 жыл бұрын

All cars make that you just can't hear it over the engine/ pumps and cooling.

@cessealbeach

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@eas702vegas

2 жыл бұрын

@@X862go naw, it came from the passenger door window even the owner said it

@USGrant21st

2 жыл бұрын

Rattling noises -- that's Tesla trademark 😂

@zepm7184

2 жыл бұрын

@@X862go No cars should not make rattling noises at any cost.

A large majority of people are not buying the Mustang to drive on a track. They are buying it for the Looks..build quality...features and value

I bought the Ford Mustang Mach-e GT Performance Edition, and I’m very pleased. I drive it in unbridled mode with propulsion sound turned on and do not use one pedal driving. The propulsion sounds is not a V8 mimic, it is actually the sound coming off the electric motors being amplified and pumped into the cabin. I find the sound helpful during acceleration to gauge audibly what the car is doing. The throttle response is smoother in unbridled when not using one pedal driving. The regenerative braking works regardless of which mode you have it in. The ride and steering feel are firm and responsive. I like it that way. One of my other cars is a Porsche Boxster, so I compare the steering and suspension firmness and the car’s responsiveness to that. The GT PE is much heavier than the Boxster and I can’t fling it around a corner the same way, but if you go into a corner a little slower and hit the throttle after the apex of the turn it is a lot of fun. The ride quality is firm but smooth. The fit and finish and build quality are great. There are no creaks or rattles or panel gaps like the T cars. In real world driving I have not found the so-called five second rule to be a problem. How often do step on the throttle all the way for more than five seconds in a row? With power and torque like this you don't need to. I have learned to warn passengers to put use their headrests before I hit the throttle hard, because otherwise there is a risk of whiplash just from the throttle response. when passing on a two way road it can get going faster than any reasonable person needs in a matter of a couple seconds, I mean eye-watering fast. It is all around the best car I've ever driven.

if ford doesn't follow Tesla regarding the rights of repair i personnally think it would be a big plus for Ford

@nutleysports88

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a legacy car company which at least in history has always meant being able to have easy access to parts 👍

Year old model Y compared to a how old mustang? Good overview but price was inflated on Tesla by adding fsd

@jamesseay9943

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't Tesla just raise the price on the Y?

@Darthmaull0101

2 жыл бұрын

@ james The tesla is cheaper. The pricing on this "review" is off. Just check Tesla's site.

that knob in the middle of a touch screen is to make boomers happy

Where’s the time stamp for the race ?

Blue Cruise over Autopilot? Guess you missed Sandy Munroe's first impression with it - if the highway has a moderate curve Blue Cruises disengages without warning, forcing the user to scramble to grab the wheel in the middle of a bend. No, that isn't more safe.

@USGrant21st

2 жыл бұрын

"autopilot" is a killing machine 😂

Was the Tesla in a front-end accident?…the hood is all wonky

@rabidsquirrel22ben

2 жыл бұрын

Its a pretty common issue on those cars.

@eriknephrongfr8847

2 жыл бұрын

No. 😂😂

@marshallnotmathers6668

2 жыл бұрын

It's easily adjustable

@robsolf

2 жыл бұрын

It's a Tesla. ALL the panels are wonky; guaranteed.

@DerrickParent

2 жыл бұрын

@@robsolf incorrect

Should watch munro analysis of the two cars.

Great content and review🤘

worth mentioning that blue cruise is only available on certain roads at certain times.

@USNEM

Жыл бұрын

Still better than autopilot

How can you compare the range, when the Mach-E has nearly a 100kw battery 🔋?

@kingbran923

2 жыл бұрын

I test drove the Mach E and based on softly I was driving it, it had more range by the time I got back to the dealer. It went from 181 to 188. I was just driving normally too, I thought that was pretty cool. The model Y I drove didn’t seem to be that efficient but I have to say it was more fun than the Mach E

I've driven the mach e GT performance on the street..... The acceleration is mind boggling from a stop even if only for 5 seconds of full power... Keep in mind my daily driver is a c8 corvette... Obviously the c8 is much quicker on the top end but the mach e just seems to defy the laws of physics and just plants you in your seat. This was the first ev I've ever driven and my mind has been blown. I'm not sure I would ever buy one but impressed none the less... Nice job ford!

We don't need Carlos Lagos -we have Carlos Lagos at home. At home:

Already ordered a GT and really happy about the. Also test drove a model Y. The thing is, I feel like Ford is an experienced car maker that decided to make an EV. While Tesla is still more a tech company that wanted to make a car. Don’t get me wrong, Tesla is a pioneer and highly boosted EV tech and cars, just not my preferred manufacturer yet.

@vroomgc

2 жыл бұрын

Thats why Tesla hired car engineers. Problem solved. GT is nice looking car though and hopefully you get 100's of thousands of miles out of it ;)

@USGrant21st

2 жыл бұрын

Ford made a really nice premium quality car. Tesla is making low quality shitboxes that are falling apart.

@ismaelcarrillo3956

2 жыл бұрын

@@USGrant21st falling apart? You mean like the recalls ford had on the mme with their glass roofs and front windshields possibly flying off due to poor adhesive? Customers were getting wind noise and water coming through

@USGrant21st

2 жыл бұрын

@@ismaelcarrillo3956 -- "possibly flying off", never happened unlike with Tesla. Again Ford does care about customers, so they are going to reseal the glass, Tesla despite the accidents never does anything for customer safety. And never there've been reports of water ingress in MME, but plenty in Tesla. MME is also a quieter car, no excessive, wind or road noise, and no rattling like in Tesla cars. You are projecting in all your statements because you are suffering from cognitive dissonance. Next time try harder, you poor triggered Tesla cult member. 😂😂😂

If you say the Mach E is the better track car then let’s see lap times?

@Wirmish

2 жыл бұрын

In reality these (E & Y) are not track cars.

@djwarren5081

2 жыл бұрын

I was expecting to see their lap times. Most owners will probably never venture on to a race circuit, but it would have been good to see them anyway.

@raydoherty5419

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wirmish no but typically performance cars get track tested and I am 100% sure the Tesla is the better handling car and will be faster so I want to see the times

I have a 2016 model S. I have a 2021 Mach E GT. So I'm pretty objective. 2:37 shows how poor is the Tesla body quality. I experienced the same thing on my model S. So from a body quality perspective, the Mach E is way better.

The moment he was dissing Autopilot and said BlueCruise is better, you can clearly see who is paying for this review. I have used Autopilot for over 100K miles in my Model S, 3 and now Y. There is NOTHING out there comparable. Such a great stress reliever. Yes you need to be attentive but nothing like what this reviewer is making it out to be. There is no way this is a truthful review on Autopilot or Infotainment.

The Y is such an easy decision. The car is so simple to use, tells you when you need to charge, has a TON of room and is a blast to drive. Road trips are amazingly fun, with the super charger network - they just work - pull in plug and you are charging. Just go drive one and you will not be disappointed.

@EricFortuneJr.

2 жыл бұрын

Well Hot Diggity Damn! I’ll go get a Tesla!

@rfx8459

2 жыл бұрын

I want to like teslas but I can’t seem to find a model Y that doesn’t have panel gap issues or disturbingly loud creaks while taking corners. Really depressed me every time I heard it and made the car feel like a fisher price toy even though I know it’s not.

@24bergman

2 жыл бұрын

The review does mention how ford limits their power release to 5 second bursts to prevent the battery from exploding. So there’s that.

@EricFortuneJr.

2 жыл бұрын

@@24bergman And Tesla has been notorious for their excessively uneven panel gaps and bland interior designs, so there’s that too! Btw Ford has a much larger dealer network.

@24bergman

2 жыл бұрын

Says the company who brought us classics such as the Escort and Pinto. Did I mention their batteries blow up if acceleration persists for longer than 5 SECONDS?!

It’s nice to see some solid competition against Tesla! The problem is, Tesla’s next change is right around the corner.. when the competition is just finally getting to the party.

@AG-en5y

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s going to be much faster for the big companies to catch up when they’ve gone through the hardest part ( bureaucratic / polices mine fields) of the race

@jimbeam4111

2 жыл бұрын

@@AG-en5y they won’t catch up. They have too much invested in ice vehicles through design, engineering, and manufacturing. Basically they would have to fire most of the old guard and hire new. That’s why these EV start ups are further ahead than OEM’s. Realistically these legacy auto manufacturers are hoping this “EV fad” goes away. GM recently said they are going to “electrify the auto industry”. GM showed up at this years LA auto show with zero, that’s 0, EV’s. Tesla and the Chinese are just too far ahead.

@AG-en5y

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimbeam4111 Porsche Taycan can go up to 484 kilometres according to their website. Isnt that catching up?

@jimbeam4111

2 жыл бұрын

@@AG-en5y it’s Porsche not Ford, GM, or Chrysler. Porsche makes vehicles in extremely less quantities and sells to a different clientele. Legacy have no interest in going electric. The Ford Lighting is a contractors truck. Go ask a contractor if he’s interested in buying an electric Ford F150. There’s a reason the MachE is made in Mexico. It’s much easier to close the plant or discontinue manufacturing without the complaints of American job loss. The thing is if these legacy auto manufacturers do the right thing for their business and go electric, up to 50% of their workforce will be cut. All the way from design, mechanical, and manufacturing engineers to machinists and assemblers. From experience working in these places, I can tell you first hand the old guard does not want to change a thing. They just want to get through the day. This is the reason American legacy manufacturing in the US is doomed to fail.

@AG-en5y

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimbeam4111 says on Ford website that the New Mustang Mach E has 305 miles of range homie. PS pretty sure Mercedes is also coming out with a electric GLK. Anddddd before you go all blah blah European company, it’s owned by Chrysler 😚

What's up with the hood at 2:37? Standard tesla bodywork?

Drives the mustang on the track, this is like a mustang, no whoa no giant smile. Drives model y on track, depricates it, whoa this is fast, giant smiles. The words say buy a mustang, the body language says buy a tesla.

Keep in mind that a new Model Y (not the 1 year old model shown here) is structurally different with currently a single piece casting in rear and soon a single piece casting for the front as well with a structural battery pack in between.

You do know that Ford says if you put it in unbridled it's quarter mile times will not be as fast as in general performance mode unbridled design for handling and performance so the power comes on differently it's for spirited road driving

@RobStevens64

2 жыл бұрын

They've talked to the Ford engineers; I'm pretty sure their information is current. Also, Edmonds' take on it is consistent with other reviews I've seen. You get an initial rush of power, and then it tapers off aggressively. The good news, if any, is that all of that can get tweaked in software. That said, my understanding is that the car does try to protect the battery at all times, so even on other models of Mach-E, it will sacrifice power to cool down the battery.

My Ev buying criteria is range, range, RANGE!

@metoo3918

2 жыл бұрын

Then you are looking at the wrong 2 EVs.

@mohammedawadud7238

2 жыл бұрын

@@metoo3918 I'm not going to buy these performance variants, I'm just watching for more insight.

Put weights too when flashing specs

I’d take the ford. Acceleration is fun but after a while it does get old. Plus where I live about 10% of the time I drive can I actually accelerate to any where near either of these capability. However handling is something I can utilize way more often and from what I see the ford takes the win there.

@matthewwiemken7293

2 жыл бұрын

Check the moose test for these cars; the results will surprise you:) kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZISIsaScaJuZqso.html

@jamesseay9943

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewwiemken7293 In all fairness, you should point out that KZread video did not test the Mustang Mach-E GT with the MagnaRide.

@matthewwiemken7293

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesseay9943 why?

@oxide9717

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewwiemken7293 saw it on the news lol Ford news to refine their engineering

@gaydybwad1321

2 жыл бұрын

The review doesn't mention software downloads.

I was so ready to sign up for a GT until I started hearing about the 5 second thing. That is, and should be a dealbreaker for ANY performance version of anything. If it was like that on the standard version, it'd be one thing. On a performance model that costs 10's of thousands more? Not a chance. Call me when these things can perform consistently...

@Ignacio.Romero

2 жыл бұрын

Buy a Taycan, or an S Plaid

@Fly4Video

2 жыл бұрын

I bought a Model Y 14 months ago. It is the first new car i have purchased in 23 years. The Tesla customer service is amazing, I got the car home and found a dirty spot on the ceiling and a tiny scratch on my tail light...I mean very tiny. They had a repair guy at my house at 9AM the next morning (An hour from the dealer) and the car was clean and fixed by 10AM. And buying online without the games was great,

@mikea8081

2 жыл бұрын

It's to preserve the battery. Check the Tesla forums to see the folks that have ruined their battery life being a street demon.

Drivetrain built quality is something this review didn’t cover. That’s why I went with the model y. Watch sandy Monroe to get an idea of the drivetrain / cooling build quality.

Notice at 07:38 you can see the air flow cooling dampers open in the front and close by 07:45...

I'm going with the Mustang Mach E. The Tesla is a good one but definitely not for me.

@andrewrae50

2 жыл бұрын

I have no regrets coming from a Model 3 Performance to the Mach E GT Non performance

2:47 Wrong. MYP's "performance upgrade" was free, and the only option now. When you mix it with FSD and say it's $xxx more, it's misleading.

@syenosis

2 жыл бұрын

No, Tesla has changed options several times. There was a point where you could get a Model Y performance stealth without the upgraded wheels and brakes for cheaper.

Fun fact on the teslas.The maps are not google based. The display of the map is google and uses google earth imagery however underneath are other map services along with Teslas own stuff for navigating to super chargers and handling range and navigation. Even traffic data comes from some place other than google. It’s actually pretty sophisticated and it’s integration with the car goes overlooked.

You include full self driving in comparing prices yet Ford has nothing remotely comparable. Seems fair.

About navigation, when you say that without reception the maps are just going to disappear... that's just not true. Map and routing data is downloaded periodically and kept in car. Without any reception, at worst you loose just the satellite images. You had the car for over a year and didn't know that?

@DarkHawkk

2 жыл бұрын

I bet He does.. I was also kind of shocked listening to that maps comment but What can we expect.. Edmunds is always biased against the Tesla..!

The 5 sec issue with the Mach E is a deal breaker for me. Totally NOT interested anymore until they change this… luckily they have over the air updates. Who knows???????

@andrewrae50

2 жыл бұрын

I still took delivery of my MME GT non performance and sold my 3.5 year old Model 3 Performance and have zero regrets. If looks are important to you the MME wins completely, if comfort, fun, well built are also factors it wins.. it’s not slow by any means. It’s got a TON of torque and even though my Model 3 Performance was quicker in all measurements, to 70 MPH the MME almost feels faster. I believe that is due to the Torque of 600+lbs.. anyway it’s a great vehicle. Yes I do hope and agree they unless more with OTA and suspect they are just being conservative- time will tell

@brittanymiller7479

2 жыл бұрын

I own the gt model and you cannot even tell it had the 5 second power rule. It is super fast and unless you are track racing you would never notice.

@IMGONEIN60

2 жыл бұрын

@@brittanymiller7479 I work in commercial sales at a Ford dealership and I’ve driven the GT and GT performance several times but this five second issue is still a dealbreaker for me. The F150 lightning does not have the five second issue👍🏽👍🏽

@brittanymiller7479

2 жыл бұрын

@@IMGONEIN60 to each his own 🤷🏻‍♀️😊

@IMGONEIN60

2 жыл бұрын

@@brittanymiller7479 agreed 👍🏽👍🏽

Edmunds… Out of all tech solutions in Tesla you highlight ‘Fart mode’ . That was pathetic. 1) Autopilot - no FSD, comes standard. It makes driving on highway so easy and safe!! It can keep distance from other cars and stays in the lane. It can do all kinda of highway curves. You are lying to your subscribers. 2) Cameras recordings - 4 cameras record in every direction to USB stick while you drive and make it extremely useful in case of any road incidents. 3) Sentry mode - records anyone moving or touching your car in 4 direction. It sounds alarm inside and out if someone tries to break in. Very useful, especially in California these days. 4) Games and Netflix/ KZread . This is so useful when you are charging or waiting for someone. It has access to fast Internet for monthly subscription. Like $12 or some. Saying that everyone prefers a ‘familiar’ knob in the middle of a screen… LOL . Please get someone who is a bit more comfortable with tech to review cars next time. New type of cars will be computer on wheels same as current phones are smart phones.