Which under-$200,000 EV cars should we drag race next? Check out our full breakdown of the Mach-E GT vs Model Y drag race here: edmu.in/3ncfseq

@markplott4820

2 жыл бұрын

TESLA model S PLAID.

@markplott4820

2 жыл бұрын

the FUD motors MUCK-e GT-P is a JOKE , it can only maintain TOP Speed for only 5 seconds , LOL. TESLA PLAID and run Back to Back 1/4 mile runs , no OVERHEAT. FUD better FIX the Muck-e Thermal Management System.

@roguedogx

2 жыл бұрын

if you can get your hands on a Lucid Air, I'd drag race that. The Rivian R1T would be pretty good too. if you want something weird, maybe the Toyota Mira (technically electric, just not a BEV), although what you'd put it up against would be a hard challenge.

@user9675

2 жыл бұрын

@@roguedogx Lucid working on a Lucid air tri-motor... which ran a 9.2 apparently .. not sure when that model will be available though

@hi9580

2 жыл бұрын

Rivian R1T, Hummer EV Edition 1, Li Xiang One, Hongqi E-HS9

The 5 second power limiter is a killer and an embarrassment for a performance Mustang. Geez.

@dearbulls

2 жыл бұрын

Because it is NOT a mustang... I'd rather they use EVOs, thunderbird, falcon, or some other names like they do overseas.

@jGRite

2 жыл бұрын

Mach-E

@chelsea7xhf

2 жыл бұрын

I am sure Ford will sell a software update and some cooling accessories to match Model Y.

@GreenBlueWalkthrough

2 жыл бұрын

Better then ruining a $20k battery pack which the Telsa let's you do.

@GreenBlueWalkthrough

2 жыл бұрын

@@chelsea7xhf All my Gas ecoboost mustangs update are free and if you don't buy the selct Mach-E Blue cruise is free... Which add what's wrong with fFord selling ford preference aftermarket parts like on a normal mustang? Which let me remind you telsa does not do.

Honestly with similar price, Ford can't compete with Tesla Supercharger infrastructure.

@AnjelMartinez-cl8mj

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh

@iROMine

2 жыл бұрын

And self driving. The Tesla is more than the sum of its parts

@mattmalone524

2 жыл бұрын

In time they will. The Mach E is better built and everyone that owns both cars said the same thing. The Tesla has a lot of rattles and squeaks after a few miles on it and when you pay that much for a car, you shouldn't have to deal with that.

@kramnull8962

2 жыл бұрын

@@iROMine Anyone who pays $55000 for a Tesla and too lazy to drive it, is insane. That's what makes the daily commute so much enjoyable than the remainder of the day...

@iROMine

2 жыл бұрын

@@kramnull8962 Dude part of the reason people pay that much is FOR the self driving. Why not both ways? I enjoy driving but when I'm not in the mood or I'm on a long ass trip I wouldn't mind it doing the foot and armwork for me. Of course it's still the driver's responsibility to pay attention but it doesn't hurt

Both cars are great but love the Y ⚡️

@FlutyCakes

2 жыл бұрын

Me too i like the tesla model y

@Joshg1984

2 жыл бұрын

🤮

@USGrant21st

Жыл бұрын

Model Why? Who in the world likes that fishface 🤣

@DisloyalOrder3

Жыл бұрын

It's just too boring for me. The mach e isn't too much better, but I would say tesla has the most boring interior, and the cheapest for what it costs.

The Mach e drops its power after 5 seconds for battery consumption. Pretty dumb if you ask me.

@oxide9717

2 жыл бұрын

Yh true😂😂

@leebr2010

2 жыл бұрын

Crappy engineering that's what it is.

@bpregont

2 жыл бұрын

@@leebr2010 That's just idiotic to say. Ford has to throttle it back after 5 seconds to keep their customers happy. Whether or not you like it, people demand more from Ford. Tesla buyers are fanatics and willing to put up with a ton more shit than Ford buyers. Just look at the panel gaps and quality issues on a Tesla. No Ford would ever sell to the public with those kinds of issues. Tesla is skating on its "coolness" while Ford doesn't have that luxury. The Mach-E is a superior car in every way that matters. Mark my words. You will see 25+ year old Mach-E's on the street. You will not see 25+ year old Model Y's.

@Abebe345

2 жыл бұрын

@@bpregont There are Teslas with huge number of miles already. You're making it up. Fremont had some quality issues which have since been largely adressed, and their newer factories like Shanghai are quite premium w no issues whatsoever. Teslas are holding resale values well from what I've seen which counters your point.

@leebr2010

2 жыл бұрын

@@bpregontThat's a new one. Ford can only do 5 seconds of full power to keep their customers happy LOL. What exactly are the customers demanding? That their Mach Es won't disintegrate or overheat? LOL.

That Ford has like 10% of tech of the Tesla.

@bkelly7386

2 жыл бұрын

And Tesla has 10% of the build quality and durability of all other brands. Speed is the only thing Tesla has. Sure they started EV but wait till the more reputable brands kick in. The Tesla interior is a joke and the door panels fall apart in 2 years.

@ToniEzero

2 жыл бұрын

@@bkelly7386 keep believing business insider articles bud. I’ve had multiple Teslas and still have them all. My 2014 model s still has it doors on. They never fell off. The small quality issues that the media like to push into a bigger problem than it is seems to only come out of the Fremont factory in Cali. China made Tesla don’t have quality issues and Texas and Berlin factory’s open in a few weeks. I would love to hear the excuses than. Better tech, better performance and the quality will be superior. Everyone likes to think that once the established OEMs get involved Tesla won’t exist but the reality is is that the old-school legacy auto makers are check players & Tesla is a chess player. Chess players are strategic while checker players are not. You can teach anyone to play checkers but chess not so much.

@Chris-cu2mc

2 жыл бұрын

@@bkelly7386 Ford material quality on touch surfaces is one of the worst in the industry. The days of quality control growing pains are gone years ago with tesla.

@bkelly7386

2 жыл бұрын

@Toni Ezero They coulda done a better job on the interior though. The dash is just a place straight horizontal bar with a huge iPad in the centre.

@Brendon471

2 жыл бұрын

@@bkelly7386 It's very minimal, but functions well. The UI is quick and snappy while also being intuitive and easy to learn. Buttons are big and have static places on the screen so you always know where they are. And that big display comes in handy when you're on a trip and want to kill some time while charging: just put on Netflix or KZread and watch a show or video. It's all very thoughtfully designed once you actually use it in practice.

The Mustang Mach E GT Performance doesn’t deserve the GT name with a 5 second power limit

@FrankensteinV203

2 жыл бұрын

A soccer mom suv doesn't deserve a mustang name either 🥲

@Lugare2011

2 жыл бұрын

@@FrankensteinV203 Some of the fastest production street cars in the world have SUV counterparts. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a SUV having the Mustang name on it.

@elchbert5102

2 жыл бұрын

but doesn‘t GT stand for grand touring which means roadtrips and shit? Idk😭

@Legomax18

2 жыл бұрын

@@elchbert5102 Grand Touring conventionally implies the car should have a big, lumbering, powerful engine (V6+. Some would say V8 or even 10+) with high endurance and the ability to chill out and pur along, during multi-hour high speed cruises-with plenty of buffer room to open up the throttle and give your engine a bonafide workout every so often... The 5 second limit in this car is the opposite of what you’d want/expect, in a GT car. Reminds me of those Prius models that barely have enough get-up-and-go power to be safe on the road, and have that weird, rough switch from battery->engine power when you floor it.

I just saw a mustang with a markup price of $20,000 for the GT PERFORMANCE Pack and Tesla there’s no mark up price. Just a month wait lol. Tradition dealers suck

@noonesbusiness959

2 жыл бұрын

Just a month wait until the Model Y's price increase yes you're right. The Ford will be serviceable at EVERY LOCAL dealer. Good luck finding a local Tesla dealership let alone getting parts within 60 days if you're in an accident. I won't even mention the difference in quality. The Tesla is made out of crayons and Elmer glue compared to the quality of a legacy car maker.

@spitfire9610

2 жыл бұрын

@@noonesbusiness959 I own 2 Tesla and they are tip top shop Model X and 3 long rang and noting has happen to me yet. My car are very well built and service all been great. I have Tesla come to my house and service it if I need will ford to that for you ? I bet not

@spitfire9610

2 жыл бұрын

@@noonesbusiness959 plus when you get into the Mach e everyone gunna tell you it’s like the Tesla with the screen 😂😂😂 Tesla moved on from portrait mode to landscape mode. The quality that ford has is copy from Tesla so they don’t have any personality to set them apart from Tesla. Ford needs Tesla to ford design look at ford new charger station they are the same as Tesla supercharger station

@noonesbusiness959

2 жыл бұрын

@@spitfire9610 Why reinvent the wheel? If the chargers have a good design why redesign it? I'll support Ford with the MM-E.

@spitfire9610

2 жыл бұрын

@@noonesbusiness959 Tesla did reinvent the wheel also lol, but come on the charger station you can easily reinvent that .

The Ford reduces power after 5 seconds of full throttle. They haven’t figured out the battery application yet

@alexsmith6271

Жыл бұрын

fan boy, he was catching him almost right away.

@reshelby4178

Жыл бұрын

@@alexsmith6271 Whose a fan boy?

This is fun keep on going with these drag races. I love

You can literally just count to 5 and then it looks like the Mach-E is at half power.

@SuperMachead1

2 жыл бұрын

I thought I heard somewhere that the ford only gives full power for 5 seconds…maybe someone else could confirm that…?

@noonesbusiness959

2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperMachead1uterus

@eloneatmyshorts

2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperMachead1 did you not watch the whole video? They confirmed this at the end.

@arkhsm

2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperMachead1 I heard that on another channel as well, that explains the crappy mph at the end of the run !!

@markplott4820

2 жыл бұрын

@@SuperMachead1 - Confirmed , out of Spec motoring.

As a mustang enthusiast I feel the thing should be called the "E-scape" or something, not a Mustang. Not because it's electric but because it's a damn SUV or Cross-over. Not a 2dr coupe like it's namesake. You can’t deny the performance of EVs but damn you can’t beat the sound of an American V8

@lemongavine

3 ай бұрын

This is an important vehicle for Ford so they wanted to leverage the Mustang brand to bring awareness and "coolness" to the Mach-E

Mach-E is slightly smaller (about 2% narrower) with less cargo space, but still weighs almost 10% more than the Y. Some of this is for the larger battery to achieve decent range, but some is due to poor engineering. For example the thermal management system is inefficient, unreliable and heavy. Overall, the Mach-E is a very good car, but the Y is just better engineered.

@1989rs500

2 жыл бұрын

U cannot outright say Y is better engineered. The Y has many issues with built quality, 0paint quality, fit finish too. My take away is that this just Fords 1st full electric BeV and it suddenly s knocking at doors ofta 6 year full BeV tech giant. That is a good sign. Maybe in its 3rd iteration the MachE could b really on par with a Tesla. All this said I even today wud pick a MachE over a Model Y. Felt its more easier to get used to and felt like a familiar territory Low speed ride of MachE however was brittle, when 1 gets to speed it felt better than Tesla

@aussie2uGA

2 жыл бұрын

@@1989rs500 You're confusing engineering and assembly. I'd rather have an incredibly thought out drivetrain with some door panel gaps than the other way around. Tesla's tech is outstanding, the quality control on the body panels is still catching up. Substance always beats cosmetic though.

@cbmusgrave

2 жыл бұрын

@@1989rs500 Shanghai Model Y doesn't have those issues - proving that are not engineering, but manufacturing problems from building a car in a 40 year old, converted 2nd hand GM/Toyota plant. The engineering tear down reports on the Mach E describe a number of areas where the engineering is not up to par - including thermal management, power management, battery, and body issues. Model Y's out of Austin next year will be even better than Made in China Model Ys. What do you think of the Mach-E's performance on the Moose test?

@mt2nv1

2 жыл бұрын

@@1989rs500 the panel gaps are largely a thing of the past. Drive train issues are nearly non-existent.

@1989rs500

2 жыл бұрын

@@cbmusgrave Its a failure in moose test. The thing is these are all regular BeVs.. The Mustang name is just for attracting customers and regarding issues with MachE, u must understand this is Fords 1st BeV, Tesla has been making EVs for past 7 years. Their 1st full ev itself is easily 80%+ as good as their ModelY. Which from an engineering stand point is no way easy 2 pull of considering their staffs ve been placing engines and assembling parts wildly differently for ovr 100 years. Also as a primary A-B transport I felt MachE to b fast enuf for daily drives. Always gave good range And looked and felt substantial and overall was comfortable. Same can b told about Tesla too barring the looks and ergonomics, there s so much variety n auto world that not all like what Tesla does.. And for those who like a diff exp from Teslas sterile world, MachE fills the void exceptionally well

I have read that the Mach E battery battery cooling is not sufficient to let it run wide open for extended periods like the Tesla. So I don't think any software update is going to correct that issue. I want to get a Mach E GT, but am holding off until next year to see if they can correct these issues with a design fix.

@iROMine

2 жыл бұрын

Why not Tesla?

@ismaelcarrillo3956

2 жыл бұрын

Trust me. The Superchargering alone won me over. Let alone the Sentry mode. Better Infotainment center. And now I can get FSD w/ summon on a monthly bases for $200.

Everyone is still years behind Tesla

@23sam42

2 жыл бұрын

Very true, everything is only about 0-60, any nobody care about for and finish.

@Chris-yr6gu

2 жыл бұрын

@@23sam42 Ford's quality rating over the years has always been crap vs say, a Bentley.

@23sam42

2 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-yr6gu most recent consumer reports put Tesla dead last... Good thing nobody is actually comparing them to a Bentley.

@maximlg253

2 жыл бұрын

@@23sam42 Dead last was Lincoln. Tesla was one before the last

@23sam42

2 жыл бұрын

@@maximlg253 yet the Mach-E best out all the Tesla easily 🤔

The problem Here is not the weight. The problem is that the Borg Warner motors generate 50% less power, literally, after 5 seconds of acceleration. That conveniently is right around 60 MPH.

I’ve said it before, but I love how it is Tesla vs the world! Great mashup guys.

@gregkramer5588

2 жыл бұрын

And Tesla only wins in a couple areas. Drivetrain is great, after that nothing is above average.

@nkoster3717

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah nothing aside from drivetrain; software that tesla writes inhouse; tech including own designed batteries, software/hardware and even chips; 10 teraflops of onboard processing power just like in a ps5; better efficiency (significantly smaller battery pack but similar miles per charge) because everything is designed in teslas is designed by tesla; supercharger infrastructure that make the world of difference that ford doesnt even have and has to borrow from 3rd parties just like it has to rely on 3rd parties to write the software for ford's alreasy laggy infotainment system; all teslas come with everything needed already on board for full self driving unlike any ford; blue cruise vs autopilot especially the current fsd b 10.5 is like a rotary phone vs smartphone; 13 years of experience making production electric cars with the roadster sold in 08, model s since 2012, model. Cherry ontop-- no dealrships! Probably missed the whole lot of other points but yeah, otherwise tesla has nothing!

@gregkramer5588

2 жыл бұрын

@@nkoster3717 So the drivetrain. Horrible dash, controls. Charger network is on its way to be open to everyone so that is unimportant. Self driving is a rip off that they should be sued for. $10k and it does not work well! I will give you the efficiency though. Not super important but yes they get by with a slightly smaller battery for the same range, whoop-de-doo! Not to mention their best seller the Model Y is one of the ugliest vehicles on the market. Tesla's percent of the EVs market share dropped 9% last year. It will be more than that this year I suspect. $60 grand to start for a vehicle that does not even give you a speedometer unless you look at the infotainment screen, how lame is that! The ride is below average at best in the Y. The build quality is among the worst in the industry. Good thing you have the PS5 deal going for it! pff! My buddies Y has no 360 camera nor ventilated seats unlike my 2017 Kia Optima. Here in TX the lack of a ventilated seat option sucks.

@nkoster3717

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregkramer5588 bunch of subjective opinions vs facts make a very weak argument. About the market share, although 65% of all registered evs are still teslas, which is absolutely dominant, it is simple logic that tesla market share will drop even more as legacy companies finaly have no choice but to come out with their own evs, just like each dollar you own is loosing its value by being diluted when the government prints another trillion. And, if you think that computing power is not important today when all cars will be self driving in the next 10 years, you are as old as you look.

@gregkramer5588

2 жыл бұрын

@@nkoster3717 haha!

Ford has to do something about the top end speed. It gets off the line harder, but after an 8th mile the thrill is gone.

@mattbrew11

2 жыл бұрын

The 8th is all laypeople ever “race” anyway

@updlate4756

2 жыл бұрын

One metric does not a car make. The cars were neck and neck through the first 50% of the race, probably up close to 80 mph, with the Tesla only going by at the end and winning by a couple car lengths. Not exactly a major difference. The Ford with options packages is $3100 cheaper than the Tesla. Tesla has some strong tech in autopilot and sentry mode, is more efficient, slightly larger, and has a faster quarter mile. The Mach-E has better seats that'll hold you in place during spirited driving, and an adaptive suspension for a more compliant ride and better cornering.

@dayo9916

2 жыл бұрын

The Mach E GT has a $20k dealer mark up which in total is not cheaper than the Model Y Performance, Tesla has no mark ups

@nkoster3717

2 жыл бұрын

@@updlate4756 😭

@illegalmachine

2 жыл бұрын

@@updlate4756 uh. When Ford performance targeted the Model Y performance specifically, and it's already losing by 2 cars...that isn't good. The Mach E GT has the exact same trap speed as the standard Mach E. It's really bizarre.

% charge for each vehicle?

Cold starts were amazing

Does the for Mach e gt have a speed limiter, like most other ev’s ? Or does it pull to the natural topspeed limit like Tesla?

"Took him to Gapplebees" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 that's funny

I currently own a Y Performance and was considering trying out the E Mustang P but to drive it with a 5 second limiter is dumb,not going to happen anymore.

Unbridled extend? Is that 6 seconds instead of 5?

Tesla makes the best use of Electrons ,Globally..

I don't understand the walkie-talkies... Can't you just Bluetooth the phones? but great video! Thanks.

I’m pretty sure the Y is making way more than 500lbft torque

Please make EV6 GT versus Model Y Performance happen, no one has yet done that! 😢

MachE GT performance traps 105 in the 1/4 mile while the Model Y performance traps 115mph in the 1/4 mile.

@IReahpZz

2 жыл бұрын

Most trap 100-102 honestly.

@updlate4756

2 жыл бұрын

You can see that they're about even up to ~80 mph. If a customer never plans to drag race the car and never goes over 80 mph, then the cars are basically identical. I would have liked to see if the Mach-E boost power is only from a dead stop, or if it would get that 5 second boost if at highway cruising speeds when passing.

@ayushmalpeddi2793

2 жыл бұрын

@@IReahpZz I'm just overestimating a bit. Like best case scenario, but yes you are right. And after like 2 runs its like under 100mph lol.

@IReahpZz

2 жыл бұрын

@@updlate4756 ah yes the good Ole 0-80 drag race. Merging on the highway the stang is fucked and its clear. Ford should've done actual refining to the power train 😂

@Robbie6298

2 жыл бұрын

@@IReahpZz that's the problem they weren't even involved with the powertrain. The batteries are SK inno/LG chem, the motors and inverters are catalog units from Borg Warner or Magna. The rest of the car is put together from parts from suppliers and a Mc Master Carr catalog.

Y’all should race the latest model taurus sho vs the newest Kia stinger both awd

Asleep at the Wheeel!

It would be intresting if both vars where charge and immidiatley put on track

ok..5 second rule should be "optional" but the driver should definitely have an option to turn this off. I don't know what Ford was thinking...especially for a gt model.

Tesla all the way!! ❤️

I believe ford just released a update to get rid of the 5 sec power cutoff

Ketchup vs mustard. I loved it

If you hit the brakes after the race what amount of energy will return to batteries?

@sorinelpustiu5674

2 жыл бұрын

Around 10% i assume,it's not much either way

@markplott4820

2 жыл бұрын

Ross, TESLA uses FULL REGEN w/o any Friction brakes.

@PrzemyslawSliwinski

2 жыл бұрын

@@markplott4820 You sure? How would they brake when battery was full, then?

@4literv6

2 жыл бұрын

@@sorinelpustiu5674 why assume? Brooks from dragtimes got 43 passes on 1 charge from his plaid, same day same track and all in the 9s. So that works out to be about 2% battery drain per pass. Not bad at all really. 🤔👍🏻

@sorinelpustiu5674

2 жыл бұрын

@@4literv6 why not read the question before you reply? The question was how much of the battery is regenerated when braking/slowing down AFTER a race.

It’d be really nice to see timed on a circuit style track with elevation. Handling is part of performance too 😬

@raydoherty5419

2 жыл бұрын

I think the model Y would be even further ahead

@arkhsm

2 жыл бұрын

@@raydoherty5419 Another channel ran them around a track and the Mustang won (IF it wasn't for the 5 second full power deal, that is) !!

@raydoherty5419

2 жыл бұрын

@@arkhsm which channel? I haven’t seen anyone do that.

@Michael-yc9ex

2 жыл бұрын

@@raydoherty5419

@Robbie6298

2 жыл бұрын

@@Michael-yc9exyeah because asking for references automatically makes you a fangirl 🙄

How about a continuous launch event. Keep 1/4 mile launching until the battery is to 0%. Or more realistically, until the Ford’s battery melts.

doesn't the ford only allow 100% acceleration for 5 seconds?

@M4532v

2 жыл бұрын

I read that too

@serotonin2456

2 жыл бұрын

I think its to protect the battery from overheating. Was expecting to see a much bigger gap

@dearbulls

2 жыл бұрын

9:34 They mentioned it.

you guys are entertaining and comments on here are as well:)

3:55 "Takin' him to Gappleby's" ....... lol

The 500 extra pounds and the power limiter are obviously major factors in the top end performance for the Mustang. Not good for a life long sports-car. Ford will have to fix those if they plan on competing against Tesla.

Exactly why I own a Mach E GT(selling) and have a BMW i4 m50 on order

the difference in weight is clearly irrelevant as that would show up in the first half of the drag race. Besides, you gave the real simple reason why it loses at the quarter mile, that is a cut in power output after 5 seconds. BTW, what about a timed lap around the circuit for a change?

@updlate4756

2 жыл бұрын

The difference in weight makes a pretty significant difference. The Ford just has more power to overcome the extra 500 lbs. Shave 500 lbs off the Mach-E and improve its aero at higher speeds, and the Mach-E's acceleration increases off the line, with lower power requirements to move the vehicle helping to reduce heat production and allow that 5 second boost period to be extended. Ford obviously didn't think it was that important; as few actual customers will be running quarter miles. Plus the car is now sold out for 7 months, so customers don't seem to care all that much. Tesla's powertrains aren't as superior as what people claim. Their main strength is in the aerodynamics and weight of their vehicles which also helps with efficiency. The better efficiency allows for a smaller battery. The weight reduction is accomplished by using more aluminum in the chassis and body, and through the smaller capacity battery. It isn't exactly rocket science... as much as the Mythos of Musk would have the internet believe. EVs just aren't that complicated...

@justinhawes5193

2 жыл бұрын

Weight is everything.

@mt2nv1

2 жыл бұрын

@@updlate4756 weight increases consumption exponentially with poor aerodynamics. As the mustang accelerates it’s pushing a lot more air than the model Y.

@RogerM88

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, a timed lap around the circuit would be way more interesting. Than a drag race too similar of what Carwow been doing.

@updlate4756

2 жыл бұрын

@@mt2nv1 Weight has little impact on aerodynamics at high speed, and it's the air resistance that increases exponentially as the vehicle moves faster. That's based on the drag coefficient x front surface area of the car. The Mach-E certainly has an issue with drag coefficient. Weight impacts rolling resistance and energy required to accelerate. It also means that the car may not regen as efficiently. Due to higher energy requirements to accelerate the car, the powertrain is likely losing more energy through resistive heat losses in the electronics and wiring.

I drove both and the Model Y was a clear winner. It made me smile the whole time whereas the Mach-E just did not.

@bpregont

2 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing your metrics were literally ONLY performance. You can strap a rocket to a skateboard too, doesn't make it a good daily.

@tonynotstated695

2 жыл бұрын

@@bpregont Well, higher battery density, better first principle engineering, better interior, amazing four wheel drive response on varied surfaces among other things. The Ford is a wanna be with creeks and rattles. Just not into it. You should check it out yourself and see what you think. Don't take my word for it. I have the MYP now and it is my daily driver and no rocket needed.

@ecu4awhile

8 ай бұрын

@@tonynotstated695 Telsa's are ugly AF

It probably has more to do with the type of electric motors they use but at least they could've cut the power after the car sensed the 1/4 mile was up since it's all computers and wires like instead of a 5sec limiter maybe a 10-12 second idk they still have some kinks to figure out one being an all electric mustang and not combustion powered

Both are fast wow

The GT's 5 second rule killed it.

per youtube research mach e 'engage' mode is faster in a straightline vs unbridled

Damn. That Tesla is a Mustang ripper.

Next test: take them for six or seven drag races and see which one poops out first... It's not going to be the Tesla. Ford is going through the same growing pains that Tesla did many years ago when their vehicles were having trouble managing heat after one hot lap. Everybody keeps saying silly things like "When the competition comes..."... Except the competition seems to be a half a decade behind Tesla, and that is for some of the best case comparisons. We are in the very beginning phases of a massive societal change when it comes to energy and transportation. All of the OEMs seem to have situational paralysis and appear to be incapable of jumping in the deep end of the pool, so to speak. They are barely treading water at best. The automotive landscape will be profoundly different by the end of this decade. We'll see lots of Chinese made electric vehicles dwelling majority of the transportation landscape. Those who look like they are large automakers today will represent a small minority of the overall automotive landscape and companies like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, general motors, etc will be a small fraction of their current cells. Furthermore, many of those companies, especially GM, are currently a small fraction of what they were just a mere few decades ago. GM used to own 50% or more of the automotive market in the US. Now it is down in the teens. By 2030 it will be in the low single digit percentages, if they make it at all. That's my prediction. It is not the biggest who wins. It is the most adaptive and most agile and the most innovative who will win. GM doesn't seem to be doing any of that. Ford at least is giving it a shot. We'll see how it goes.

@trbizwiz1

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think OWMs can compete with Tesla on function. OEMs are too heavy corporate mentality. Their top priority is producing high volumes of cars to move cash. Tesla is ironically larger in market value, yet they still operate like a boutique auto maker. They are constantly tweaking their cars to make them better. I’m so eager to see all the goodies the put in MY 2.0, from Austin and Grunheude. I don’t think they will be happy to just push out more of the same model Y. I think they will want to push the envelope. Maybe carbon wrapped motors in the performance. Maybe dramatically lighter cars, with the smaller 4680 packs, maybe magnetic ride control, and some other really cool features to keep them in front of all challengers. Most of these things would have minimal cost impact to Tesla, but they would dramatically improve this great car.

@Cal3000

2 жыл бұрын

Well Lucid put out a better car than the Model S and the Kia Kona was determined to be a better car than the Model Y. Ford is going to learn a lot and usually improve their cars within a couple of years. They are more than likely going to overtake Tesla is a couple of years. Tesla isn’t this mythical untouchable company.

@trbizwiz1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cal3000 this assumes Tesla will stop improving as well. They haven’t yet, but maybe they just decide to sit back now, and let all comers catch up. Maybe not.

@elchbert5102

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cal3000 hm yea maybe. But I don‘t really think lucid is the same as tesla. It‘s more luxurious, also costs more , while Tesla is like for EV beginners. The pricier it gets the better it gets. We‘ll also have to wait until Lucid is a one trillion dollar company. Plus when they will release their supercar (roadster)

@jayls5

2 жыл бұрын

@@trbizwiz1 If they put in mag ride and higher output carbon sleeved motors on the Y, I would put in an order to replace mine tomorrow.

So Ford just went cheap on the cooling system to save weight and $ sacrificing the race due to output over time effectively causing heat making extra hp only utilizable for 5 seconds 😂? Not sure why you would even try unless you have effectively tested it against the top competitor before release and it won but clearly it would not have.

@4literv6

2 жыл бұрын

Bargain bin basement engineering using existing off the shelf parts. Shows how creative team Edison really was even with an $11,000,000,000 budget. Keep in mind to that team didn't have model y to bench mark it against until mid 2020. They leased model 3s for the engineer's starting in late 2017. So likely Ford didn't expect the model y to have such a quick perf variant. I bet they thought they could just slap another large drive unit up front and call it good. Instead they should've worked on getting more out of the regular awd er like tesla can do with the $2,000 upgrade ota. Those motors don't draw enough constant c rate to kill the pack's as quickly. 🤔

Let’s me know that soon, going to the track is going to be quiet af

it has the smallest battery but it get most out of it

Mach-E GTP w/ glass roof and co-pilot 360 is $3100 cheaper after tax credit... not $1k. Bit of extra tax and interest on the Tesla as well. From the race, the cars are head to head up to about 80 mph, which for most people buying these cars is about as fast as they're typically going to take them. That's pretty impressive by the Ford actually with that extra weight. The Ford's heavier weight is harder to get moving, and the weaker aero is harder to power through wind resistance beyond 70 mph, both of which adds up to heat in the battery, which is likely why the Ford has to throttle after 5 seconds. Put the same powertrain into a lighter and more aerodynamic chassis, and not only would the Ford be faster off the line, but that 5 seconds could would be extended. I imagine the Ford would wipe the floor with the Tesla. The Ford would also see a significant efficiency bump and longer range. Some tests have already shown the Ford ahead of Tesla on real world range highway range tests, but that's due to the Ford's larger battery. The Tesla adds miles back faster at DC Fast chargers due to its smaller battery and better efficiency. Both cars have their advantages, the Y has autopilot, better weight, better efficiency, is larger, and has sentry mode. Range is about equal as I mentioned. The GTP is the better driver's car. It has performance seats that will hold the driver in place around curves, an adaptive suspension for a more compliant ride and better cornering, and it has a quieter cabin with less road noise. Ford doesn't have Elon Musk, which is typically considered a positive. ;) Just sayin'. Ford did a fine job on this vehicle, and all the talk of Tesla powertrain superiority really shows for what it really is here; it's just talk. Tesla's real superiority is in weight and aero. Aero was possible by elongating the vehicle (hence the larger vehicle) and using a short (height) and pointy front end with steep rake in the windshield. The weight advantage was accomplished through Tesla's heavy use of aluminum in the chassis and body panels. The improved efficiency resulting from those two factors allows Tesla to reduce the capacity of the battery pack to shave weight there as well. The problem with the aluminum is that there simply isn't enough to go around and recycled aluminum will run out with more of it being sequestered in vehicles over long periods of time. New aluminum (not recycled) on a per ton basis using current refining and processing techniques generates approximately 6x more GHG emissions than steel. Due to the limited supply of aluminum and the huge demand to help reduce weight in EVs, the price of the metal has rapidly risen since March, now sitting near all time highs since June. If every OEM decided to use aluminum, we could see aluminum prices break new records and never come back down to Earth.

@TESLAenjoyer

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck actually getting a Mach E at sticker price

@leebr2010

2 жыл бұрын

The Mustang Mach E would not exist if it wasn't for Elon Musk.. It is literally a copy of the Model Y, except it does everything worse. Don't even talk about software. Teslas get OTA update regularly without fail, adding new features all the time. Ford owners celebrate when they could get their OTA without having to go to the dealer to have the "Over The Air" update with risk of bricking the car. Oh and they also get Tic Tac Toe LOL!

@prolific1518

2 жыл бұрын

@@TESLAenjoyer you can order them off ford's website. No markup

You had one job Ford, ONE JOB!!!! 🤦‍♂️

Tesla all day! 🤗

@ytsux9259

2 жыл бұрын

Tesla is ranked dead-last on the 2021 reliability list out of almost 30 manufacturers. LOL! 🤣

@moki123g

2 жыл бұрын

@@ytsux9259 And it has the number one customer satisfaction, and the most recommended to purchase by friends, Tesla is 1,2,3 in safety, Has globally the most sophisticated electronics, It is one of the most manufactured cars (in parts) in the us. Has the best charging network. The mustang is made in Mexico. Shows What little you know. LOL! 🤣

I happy to see the Y won 🏆 this contest.

@jamesdaniel947

Жыл бұрын

Ford engineers knew that best 1/4 mile times are only good for bragging rights by insecure guys, and has very little to do with real world driving on public roads where 0-60 reigns supreme. Drag street racing is still way illegal and will land you in jail.

Tesla starts slow at 0, that is my experience. The first second you are not feeling as much power, but after a second it really pulls. I am guessing the front motor engages late.

When you guys did the drag race, did you use full regen braking after the run to come to a stop, or did you use the friction brakes? You should definitely use the regen to try to get some of that energy used in the race back into the battery. Using the friction brakes just throws energy away.

yup as i thought, weight. the one issue with Ford that they refuse to solve is weight. BUT their weight issue is a direct derivative of their lower cost. Heavier materials. at the price of lower cost. Also the Ford's interior has way more components than the tesla also contributing to weight.

Rather have the machE . Rather have a better looking and more comfortable ride.

Fun video! Mach E gets off the line fast. Would have liked to see a slalom race. Thanks.

@Jeddin

Жыл бұрын

I think this was more the terrible reaction time of the model Y driver. It was painful to watch. He has no business drag racing

I don’t like Teslas because of some QC issues and I’m not fond of their styling. But they have the best EV infrastructure period.

Tesla model Y any day 🙌🏽

The model y performance is throttle back when coming off the line. This is the only thing I hate about mine.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE FOREARM TAT FAD PASSES? MY GUESS IS LONG SLEEVES WILL PRETTY POPULAR FOR A LONG TIME.

Yeah, Model Y all day. It's the better EV and the only all-American brand that's actually made in America.

@4literv6

2 жыл бұрын

Right? Assembled in America, by well paid Americans in an American factory, using American built batteries from giga Nevada, motors built here in America, and mostly uses us sourced parts. 2nd best selling ev of all time already. You did it tesla you lead and it matters.👍🏻😎

@chrisr2507

2 жыл бұрын

Your president doesn’t seem to realize this 😂

@JasonB72481

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisr2507 Well, the president of the united states is human. That means he's fallible. Unfortunately, this country allows legalized bribery called lobbying to influence it's politics. Nothing can be done because of the greater good; it has to have a profit motive and angle. We the people need to support what we see as the observable good with our purchases. That's the only thing they see. The OEMs are up to their eyeballs in debt and spend some of their money on politics. Tesla doesn't do that, so we have to support ourselves.

Awesome content 👍 yes my model 3 performance is also faster than my Mach E .. but it’s to be expected with the major weight differences.... Still at the end of the day I enjoy daily driving my Mach E vs my model 3 .. the ride quality in my Mach E is so much better, ton less wind noise and a softer ride .. but still I plan to upgrade to the Mach E GT Performance for even better ride quality.. I don’t street race up to crazy speed but I do .. stop light to stop light race or upto 60-70mph from a dig and with that the Mach E will be right their next to the model Y performance.. so overall you gain more with the Mach E ... still aftermarket will also soon open up the limits set on all the Mach E .. too bad Ford set limits vs putting in a better cooling system.. but still it’s their first year with full BEV and is already next to the Tesla performance... that’s crazy when you think about it .. Tesla has been at it over 10 years now and Ford is still less than a year and already better is many others ways that truly matter and very close in performance as well ..

@magnusauto7941

2 жыл бұрын

1967 Comuta electric minicar 1998 Ranger EV 1999 Think City (Ford bought Think Global) 2011 Focus Electric 2020 Mach-E Ford's been at it longer "than a year", but ICE has them distracted. They had the (2017) Model 3 to benchmark and still came up short.

@erikeckert50

2 жыл бұрын

Having both as well I like the 3 a lot better. Less bugs, less bouncy ride, the E feels bigger and sloppier. So many bugs with it too...couldn't charge at home for 6 months, memory seats and climate could not be retain and needed to be set every time. Mach E badge on passenger side fell off, the user interface is slow and requires lots of digging down, and finally the phone key works less than half the time. I disagree with your assessment and have a far different experience. Add to the fact the dealership have such little knowledge of what to do with it with all these issues. I also want to mention autopilot on Ford is fair at best.

@4literv6

2 жыл бұрын

Team edison got $11,000,000,000 to develop the mach e starting clean sheet in late 2017. That's from Darren Palmer himself. Got to run it just like a startup, reporting to palmer&Bill Ford only. They also leased it's engineers model 3s to benchmark against. All of that resulted in a solid 2nd place vehicle. For a company which has made cars for over 100+year's now. Not bad really, but not impressive either, it's made in mexico uses polish batteries and German motors inverters. Over 20% less efficient range based on battery capacity and the epa official mpge ratings, charges slower than a 2016 model s can. Doesn't have any break through tech onboard, have to go to dealers for updates so far. With over 35% of all Ford's dealer network currently not even supporting working on their ev lineup. Plus it has been recalled multiple times already for some of the very same issues Ford execs publicly mocked tesla for late last year. Karma eh? 🤔

@lrod8692

2 жыл бұрын

The aftermarket? What exactly is the aftermarket going to do with the Mach E except a wrap and lowering springs?

@4literv6

2 жыл бұрын

@@lrod8692 body kits&aero bits, hoods like the Shelby mach gt at sema had, wheels, brake upgrades, seats, floor mats, tow hitches all the usual stuff. Maybe someday actual motor&inverter tuning but that will void the powertrain warranty. Like a tune can do to combustion engined vehicle's now. Magna in Austria actually made better drop in motors for the jaguar I pace supposedly they got almost 20% more efficiency. And over 100hp more at each axle. But man those type of upgrades are expensive right now. But soon the money will be there for companies to step in with parts and uogrades. 🤔

Its not just the weight. Ford reduces the power output aftrr 5 seconds if a standing start.

“Slams my head into the back of the seat every time I do it “ 🤔

I am not ev fan. Hybrid is bae. But risks. Electric is way dependent.

The model Y looks way more cooler than that box !

The Mach E only provides max power for 5 seconds to avoid overheating the battery

Can't wait for the Genesis GV60 vs Model Y Performance match!

@4literv6

2 жыл бұрын

I wanna see that new ev6 gt with a supposed 576hp, go up against a texas built 4680&single piece castings equipped model y next summer. 🤔

It's kinda sad that at a 102mph trap soccer moms in a maxima will pull a mach E from a roll on the interstate.

I want to drag race with a model plaid (like everyone would)

Model 3 vs Bmw i4 Model S vs Lucid Model Y vs Ford Mustang Mach E Model X vs rivian SUV or electric Hummer Cyber Truck vs Rivian Truck or Ford lightning

when i raced my Supra 1/4 mile it consumed 1 gallon, closer to 10% of the tank!!

this is like watching 2 seniors argue over whose electric chair is faster.. boring...

Dual motor model y with acceleration boost will kill both

A chase is a race

For both being fake SUVish thing with pathetic ground clearance, this test does make sense. Cannot wait to see the Kia EV6 GT and Ioniq 5 N (hopefully) to join the match. My personal money goes to ID4 AWD, because I need a real SUV, although being an EV.

@jamsxr

2 жыл бұрын

Real SUV, lol. It’s just a marketing term.

@theboontz58321

2 жыл бұрын

None of those cars that you listed are classified as SUV's

@dearbulls

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamsxr or I should've said "proper SUV ground clearance"

@dearbulls

2 жыл бұрын

@@theboontz58321 negative. All of them called themselves "SUVs". But only AWD ID4 gets a ground clearance above 8 inches. All others I've mentioned are around 5.5-6.5 inches. Still taller than general sedans tho.

Yup, Ford cuts the power regardless of what you want or think.

The action starts at 2:36

@sqb8980

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

The Y has 502 ish hp, saw a dyno video somewhere here on YT.

solid engineering for the win!

The all new Ford Mustink Geez

When u slap 50% more battery to equal the performance/range of the tesla and still lose. Lol efficiency is everything

@anthonyc8499

2 жыл бұрын

Efficiency is everything, eh? Lucid crushes Tesla then in your book. Gotcha.

@hengloose

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyc8499 competition is required in a free market. Steps everyone's game up including Tesla lil buddy 👍🏽

@anthonyc8499

2 жыл бұрын

@@hengloose nicely phrased, my diminutive friend. I'm looking forward to Tesla upping their game and improving their efficiency, increasing their EPA range, and getting faster charging because they're behind right now.

@hengloose

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyc8499 agreed. Hoping the 4680 cells provide some decent real world performance and range

@creolerican

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyc8499 Hmm, where's that "Drag race" footage of the Lucid vs. Tesla again?... Yeah, Lip Service from corporate is not Facts, lil buddy Seeing is believing!

Put in a order for a model y performance! :)

ford is trying to catch up but not quite there yet =P

Why are they using radios when both cars support Bluetooth phone communication? I'm not surprised at the outcome, other than the Mach E GT's superior holeshot. Tesla's been doing this for over a decade at this point. Either car would be nice to have in the garage. Forget drag racing. Whoopee cushion FTW!

Unbridled is actually more efficient. I leave it on unbridled 24/7.

With full power the whole way I say the model y gets walked

Not only one of the quietest drag races but also one of the most boring, but I’m still going to watch it anyway

Take a drink every time they say Gapplebee's!

I like both of these cars and probably am going to buy one of them in the next 2-3 years. Might splurge and do a model S, but I don't really need one, just thinking about it. I am impressed that Ford is even in the ball-park tbh, I thought it would take them at least another 3-4 years to be even slightly comparable to Tesla. I think Tesla is still in front, but in 2-3 years, Ford might close the gap.

@elchbert5102

2 жыл бұрын

I‘d buy the model s. Better range, better speed. Looks better. Just costs more. I think in case you got the money defo go for the s

@LegendRonk

Жыл бұрын

Blazer SS EV..

That is the quietest drag race I ever didn't hear.

@johnc.9133

8 ай бұрын

It's the same feeling as when arriving at a house party, and finding only 2 people there.

Weight and tech is the difference