Finally, a snow demo. Thanks for setting up the tests. I was surprised how well it found the road edges. Brian from Boston.

Safety first, good approach! Have fun and stay safe!

Another amazing video! no one else is capturing unique real world scenarios like this. especially liked the scenario in 6:45 really impressive.

It is an interesting situation: I feel like it will be incredibly challenging for the AI to make sense of the huge variety of snowy road conditions with covered lane lines, curbs, and road signs, hidden hazards, and poor image contrast, and yet.... if the car begins to slide while driving, the AI probably has a much better chance of regaining control quickly compared to any human. A person is probably much better at situational prediction in these conditions than the AI, and yet the AI would be far superior in traction control, capable of making hundreds of micro adjustments to the steering, acceleration, and breaking to keep the car from sliding. I'm looking forward to seeing lots of videos of FSD in the snow.

@user232349

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. Snow driving is so much different from regular driving, it feels like it would need completely new programming to handle it. For now, I think it would be good if it could recognize the snow, and disable itself for safety.

@DieBastler1234

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think there's any machine learning involved in handling traction issues. Classic, analytical ESC and TC already adjust as quickly as physics allows.

@garethrobinson2275

3 жыл бұрын

@@DieBastler1234 That's probably right although perhaps AI could learn to drive like a Norwegian Rally driver? It needs to recognise snow and transfer smoothly to a snow mode of driving.

@Passionfingerz

3 жыл бұрын

That’s why existing driving aids exist, the human does the part they are good and the car does its parts. The hard part is incrementally improving systems, normal people don’t read release notes. It almost has to do nothing until it can do everything from a mainstream perspective

@woolfel

3 жыл бұрын

i live in northeast and the variability is completely chaotic. Depending on who plowed the specific road, age of the road, potholes and weather conditions, some times it's only 1 lane in side streets and even main roads can go from 4 lanes (2 each direction) down to 2 lanes.

I'm very skeptical about FSD coming to Norway next. It does not seem to be ready for the type of roads and weather we have at all.

@FredrikGyllensten

3 жыл бұрын

We could still use it in the summer. I do believe that FSD will be approved for summer conditions before it is approved for winter conditions.

@Reseiver

3 жыл бұрын

I cant wait until it comes to Norway. It will get needed data to handle weather we have. I see drivers almost on daily basis that should be on autopilot for everyones safety. That said, I'm sure full auto will not be available on the very narrow or challenging roads to begin with.

Would love to see how the car would perform with actual winter tires.

@renetand

3 жыл бұрын

Very good to see how it handled the low grip situation. Even with snow tires there is limited grip. Would be great if in future fsd low grip situations would be implemented

@BertVanMullem

3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't it simply be more like regular summer driving if it has better grip? I love that it has very low grip in this test

@dealerovski82

3 жыл бұрын

studded ftw

@Muskar2

3 жыл бұрын

@@BertVanMullem Even the best winter tires for the condition doesn't have nearly the same grip as summer tires on dry roads. But it's still vastly better than summer tires on snow or ice. At 40kph/25mph stopping distance for a Model S85 on icy road is ~105m/345ft with summer tires, ~45m/148ft with studless winter tires and ~35m/115ft with studded. On summer tires dry roads, it'd break at ~7.5m/25ft. The difference should be obvious from the numbers alone, but on top of that, the distance increases exponentially with speed. Stay safe.

@BertVanMullem

3 жыл бұрын

@@Muskar2 Yes ofcourse, having the correct tires is important for safety. But it is great to test the current FSD in a very slippery situation and hopefully see the progress next winter :)

I could feel the pain of the poor thing trying its best to know which was the right way. It's funny how alive it seems to the point of eliciting actual empathy from me.

As a Canadian and hardcore Tesla fan and all in Tesla investor, I’m very excited to watch this!

@Larckening

3 жыл бұрын

me too finally a real winter testing

@PaperBagInvest

3 жыл бұрын

@@EdNarculus yeah, they clearly haven’t released the software update to adapt driving to snowy conditions. That’s very doable though. And then doable to perfect snow and ice driving. They’re basically optimizing for California at this point and then expanding elsewhere.

@revaddict

3 жыл бұрын

@@PaperBagInvest Agreed.. The basic driving on snow/ice can be programmed without much of an issue.. And as someone living in Canada, what I want to see is what happens when the snow totally covers the road with no visible lines.. The who's road is it anyway part 🤣

@themeach011

3 жыл бұрын

This is my fear regarding the robotaxis. They are so very far away from being able to operate in FSD with no driver inputs. I have a Tesla and I'm a total fan boy as well, I live in Canada on the prairies, but I drive in a lot of shit every winter that I'm not convinced FSD could handle with no driver inputs. U think in a foot of snow an FSD car is going to figure out how to rock itself out of a parking spot that is snowed in. Just this spring there was a bad snow storm the streets were covered in slush and parking was a nightmare. I saw someone having trouble so I stopped and gave them room to back up and get a run at it so they could get out. How does that interaction go with a robotaxi. Also I live on 22kms of grid road that gets nasty when it rains I don't see a robotaxi coming to get me any time soon.

Outstanding work John and Carol, as usual 👍 Fun too!

Thanks for the greatly informative footage. Also: wow, you live in paradise, I'm pretty jealous of the winter wonderland!

Thank you for your dedication to this in 2020. It really helps me ....and Tesla....stay safe!

Excellent! People have been hoping for a snow test. It's good to know that it can identify the road. I'm okay with it now currently driving properly for snow. Being able to navigate with it is a really good start.

Always enjoy watching your FSD videos. Those donuts! haha! Keep it up!

Thank you for this! Still work to do, but much better than my regular Autopilot in snowy conditions here i Norway. When the road is covered in snow, It usually does not allow me to start Autopilot.

Respect man😉 you didn't risk people wile in snow mad respect. You push car to limit but do so safely. Thank you for being responsible ☺️

Great video. I’m excited for when Tesla optimizes for and improves their snowy driving conditions.

Nice tests :). Really appreciate the emphasis on safety

Very nice to see a test in winter conditions as this is imported for many country’s as mine (Norway) I knew it wouldn’t do this safe at this moment since it has still some big issues to solve in California conditions. But hopefully they will conquer and solve also these winter issues during the beta testing.

Nice! Wanted to see this for a while! We need winter mode for sure!

Another brilliant, thoughtful video which I think Tesla will find helpful

Nice overview of FSD beta handing in snow! It's encouraging the car can make out the path of roads in plowed snow. However, it's pretty clear from watching this and other videos that as of beta 8, the car doesn't have much if any situational awareness as it doesn't know it's driving in snow, etc. or other adverse conditions to know it has to slow down. Getting out of that parking lot would be challenge in dry conditions. Handling parking lots and other unmapped areas is going to be a big challenge for FSD once the team starts to tackle them which is probably at least several releases away. Thus far, all the improvements in FSD beta's seem to be for typical street driving in good conditions with better handling for various intersections with each release.

Good lord your intro is incredibly loud (and impressive sounding) on the AirPods Max. Just got these and the intro literally was shaking my head lol.

Your car should end up as a museum piece in the future... Its part of history in a small but fascinating way.

@AIDRIVR

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha I love this

With summer tires 15 mph was a good move. Funny it took someone driving in California / Nevada to test it out in snow. Although other parts of the country are going to start snowing more often.

So jealous that you get to experience snow!

Awesome video! Thank you very much and keep up the good work 👏👏👏👏

Great video so thank you. Did you use FSD in the snow on any multi lane roads where FSD would need to change lanes for an upcoming turn? Would be interesting to see how it would accommodate what the cameras see compared to what the map has for turning lanes. As you indicated snow will need to be addressed in the future.

Great video! Thanks! Curious about how your camera is mounted to get such a great view of the road and the dashboard.

This is the coolest Tesla channel ❤️

I absolutely love the sound of speakers picking up outside sound going throw snow. That low audible rumble. I want that sound saved for ambient sound on long road trips. Or even if you have to have car make sound at low speed I want to see if It will let me play that sound to pedestrians instead of what ever lame standard sounds they come up with.☺️

@harveybirdman593

3 жыл бұрын

I agree!!

Wow. On summer tyres this would be difficult for ANY driver. Furthermore the FSD disengages if the ESC is activated. So if it detects wheels spin or yaw etc it will disengage. I think it’s best to test with proper snow tyre setup. Regardless, thanks for stress testing the system! 👍🏼👍🏼

This fared better than my expectations, which were close to zero.

Mr. This is good content 👍

I think snow driving is even lower priority for an LA driver.... just saying :/ I love the cute interaction quietly following those two people :0 and great content!!!

As a beginner neural net developer. This challenge gives me anxiety haha. Simply amazing work on the passive optical ai even in beta.

Nice. I plan on going to the lake in my MY next weekend.

I love love love love love your channel .. so cool what kind of tests you do with FSD :)

Great video as usual!

That car looks nice in a snow setting

Still impressed it can recover while slipping. I’ve driven in snow all my life so I’m very interested in this video! Snow, ice, and slush come with dangerous very abilities, especially for a full self driving. For example, would it understand what a snow mound is and what to do in that situation? There’s a whole lot of shape to snow, also how does it recognize ice, black ice?

Love the drifting :p

Another great video. Did you try it in "Chill Mode"? I think that would probably be a good choice for snow driving to reduce acceleration and sudden movements - whether by a human or FSD.

I have a model 3 and I can’t turn off traction control? Does the S let you?

Canada and Norway is supposedly next on self-driving list after US. Better have the snow-driving upped a whole lot before then. It is a very different beast than big Californian roads in perpetual summer.

What tires do you have on the car?

now this is what i want to see. not a target run LOL

Very impressed with the recognition of drivable space. They must have put some effort into this. My question, can we ever get to level 5 in an environment with something like black ice? That is super hard for humans to deal with.

Very interesting, great video as always.

When there's a fresh cover of snow in a parking lot I also have a hard time seeing where the "islands" are and where the exit is. I'm thinking Tesla is going to have to look at a map or satellite view to understand a parking lot fully and signal if what the map says and what the car sees doesn't jive- snow or no snow. Personally, I'm impressed that the car can see the designated driving lane on a fully snow covered road. Too bad your S doesn't have an external speaker - you could have "farted" at those people walking in the road.

Man.. I would love to have a Tesla but they are so expensive! Great video, thanks a lot.

@Animalwon

3 жыл бұрын

Look into Xpeng motors. They make Tesla clones for about HALF the price and include Self Driving feature STANDARD!

Coming up to a stop sign at full speed, likely not to have stopped then. Will need to be snow ‘ready’ for true lvl 5

Fullself driving should have a sensor like microphone input to tell the computer that you are driving on snow, it is an unmistakeable rumble/crunch the snow makes when driving on.

A gorgeous model S you have there, sir! Made me check model S prices:] Hope my bimmer is not the jealous type.

@AIDRIVR

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Great video. I love the way you’re willing to sacrifice your car and wife for entertaining footage if required! 😂. I guess before the car learns to drive in snow it first needs to be able to recognise snow as a condition. Still pretty impressive though! Thanks to you and your brave wife for all your footage this year. All the best for next year and I’m looking forward to seeing the results of ‘the snow patch’!

Wonder if they're gathering much winter data or working totally on complex city stuff.

what would happen if you would floor it and put the pedal to the metal in the parking lot?

I wonder what it would do on a parking lot that is completely covered by fresh snow, without any tracks on it yet.

Very interesting! These are exactly the types of situations that come to my mind when I hear people (including Musk) say that *true* full self driving (level 5 autonomy) is right around the corner. It's not uncommon for roads to look like this, or even worse in small towns in upstate NY... There is no way in hell that we see level 5 autonomy in the next decade, and I wish people were more okay with that fact. Cant imagine how it fast it would rip through my long, rough gravel driveway in a foot of snow if its trying to do 20-30mph in a small parking lot where it clearly can't identify its environment. Look forward to future progress and advancements!

@zubinkynto

3 жыл бұрын

You're thinking linearly, when artificial intelligence can in-fact learn in an exponential manner. DOJO (the Tesla simulation) should greatly assist to enhance this progress rapidly. Even without it, operations become more efficient within machine learning, it's not about brute forcing it across x amount of years.

what's the setup of your Tesla?? I've never driven in snow! Empty parking lots looks fun!

After watching this - 1 - I would of hoped that the cameras could detect snow by the color alone? Hopefully, they have made updates by now as it is full snow season :) Car should clearly be going much, much slower in those conditions. +1

How does it perform in rainy 🌧 night and night in snow ❄.

so the snow update, what would it be called? dorifto appdeito?

living in the Northeast, even humans have a tough time. There's a reason why driving school around NE suggest hazard driving training. Level 5 autonomy in all conditions is still 5 years away for Tesla. Right now the beta seems to be where waymo was in 2015.

Loving this channel always more :) new camera holder would be great or some WD40 :)

Would be nice if it took temperature and moisture conditions into account to predict for icy conditions. Automated weather stations can predict what the conditions are, so perhaps Tesla can hire a weather engineer to help them out with the weather prediction models within the FSD AI.

how did you do the drifts with the model S?

The donut at the end was awesome :)

Interesting video. How to get to this FSD beta testing program?

Would have been more interested to see how it would do while it was snowing.

Does not your tesla have the low speed sound effect?

Does anyone know how large the download of this update is in GB?

Hey which Tesla is this? That's crazy you can see what it's seeing

In your opinion. In normal driving not snow, Do you believe you will trust FSD once out of beta. To drive you in busy areas? Or would you rather remain in control yourself

"Halp! Everything is white, sensors are malfunctioning! HALP!" I think the snow problem will fix itself (i remember Elon saying something to that effect) because once Winter hit, the team will be getting a LOT of snow related feedback and will be feeding that to the neural net, which in turn will automatically learn to deal with snow and ice. (Hopefully)

Loved the snow demo, there are so few of them. It looked like a 38 degree day. Ideally I would also like to see a worst case, 10 degrees, snow still kind of on the car with some ice on the sensors that kind of thing. Within reason I wouldn't want you to go completely blind and not brush the thing off, although the temptation is strong, someone will do it. Also how well does it do recognizing other cars that are half covered in snow themselves.

@Xanthopteryx

3 жыл бұрын

Something like this, from Sweden? kzread.info/dash/bejne/lWaYqpd8YMjaY6w.html

do you have winter tires ?

It would also be interesting to see how it deals with limited visibility during a snowstorm

Amazing and a bit nerve racking... It's definitely getting there...

@Xanthopteryx

3 жыл бұрын

Ehh... Not at all. This is so extremely far away from being useful, let alone self driving.

4:00 beautiful area, where is this?

Was that all slush on the roads you were driving on? It looked like ice, but summer tires on still made my heart beat faster and your car took it with no issues. It also looks like it was going too fast into stop signs, but it stopped fine. I think you just sold me on FSD!! Nice burnouts at the end..... Wow, I am first too.... lol

@VoxelLoop

3 жыл бұрын

They're not 'summer' tyres I believe, all-seasons. The Model 3 Performance comes with Pilot Sport 4S and I believe the Model S comes with something similar but 21" instead of 20. :) They're very wide tyres though, not great for snow.

May I ask what year your Tesla is?

LOL.. not using Carol as target practice in the snow... wise choice :)

Wonder how Tesla handles having muddy slush spray onto the cameras? Elon has said vision is like human eyes but with 8 cameras. But cars have windshield wipers and spray to keep the windshield clear for human eyes so what about the cameras?

Top Engineering work by Tesla

Fsd should get some feed back loop with weather APIs.

that ending though, very nice

It would be interesting if they could implement live and previous 24 hour weather data. So heavy rain and snow days it should be extra cautious.

@BertVanMullem

3 жыл бұрын

Weather data? Why not just recognize it from the cameras? :)

Thank you, nice! Now we only miss videos with FSD *while* it's snowing. I mean in normal AP the radar easily gets blocked. How about the FSD beta etc?

@Xanthopteryx

3 жыл бұрын

Like this, from Sweden: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lWaYqpd8YMjaY6w.html

Fun in the 🌞 ❄️

Best intro ever!

My gut is they won't try supporting snow conditions until after dojo is deployed.

Very interesting! Thanks

What place is that called where all the cabins are? I really wanna go, it looks so pretty 😭

@shepherdsknoll

3 жыл бұрын

Those type of cabins are all around Lake Tahoe .

@laelsroom

3 жыл бұрын

@@shepherdsknoll thank youuuu

If you're a wanted fugitive inside a tesla can the cops force tesla to deliver you to the nearest police station?

I have a 2020 Model S in northern Canada and I have a number of issues to report in snowy conditions with even just enhanced autopilot. I am waiting for FSD to be released here and I would love to be a beta tester. There seems to be no way to report issues to Tesla if you are not a FSD beta tester. I am very happy to see you dping some testing which IS being reported to Tesla. Definately, the software does not seem to take into account snow in any way. My car is fully equipped for snow, but it should really be able to adapt speed to road conditions. It also does lane changes in passing lanes as it does in dry conditions which is too aggressive for snow.

@TheKdcool

3 жыл бұрын

You can hold the setting (car logo) button, it sends a screenshot of the car. Not sure if it can be used for autopilot improvements tho

@efestian5993

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheKdcool Thanks for the suggestion. At present, I just set up a scenario and intervene on purpose in the hopes the intervention gets logged and put in the massive database of interventions and maybe reviewed at random.

@micheljull

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheKdcool Thanks, didn’t know that! That camera reporting button they added for beta testers is redundant then? Plus it is much too small and takes too much of their attention off the road!

@TheKdcool

3 жыл бұрын

@@micheljull the purpose if the camera reporting button really is to report fsd mishaps. The "screenshot button" sends telemetrics and a screenshot of the whole car at that time. I'm not sure it can be used for autopilot training but I do it anyway. After sending the "screenshot" I often tap on voice command, say "bug report" and explain the bug. It says "thank you" but I don't if really is used or I just annoy them 😂

The whole thing about snow tires is way overblown. The key to safe winter driving is to know wtf you're doing. I live in Canada. I've been driving for 58 years. I average 50,000 miles per year in all kinds of weather and all kinds of roads. I tend to drive faster than most people feel comfortable with. I have NEVER owned a set of snow tires. I use "all season radials". In those years, I've been in a winter accident once, where I skidded off a road in 2 feet of snow. No damage. I've only been stuck twice where I needed to call for assistance. That's in 58 years. Drivers and self-driving software developers need to understand that it's perfectly safe to drive in winter conditions without special tires if you're careful and know what you're doing. Obviously, with good winter tires it's even safer but given my experience, in my case it's just not worth the $5-600+ to get the fancy tires.

Since you have the FSD Beta, if an accident does occur while using the FSD beta, are you accountable? Will Tesla cover any % of the damage since you are a tester? Also, on the Autopilot Menu on the screen, does it say, “Full Self Driving Beta”?

@AIDRIVR

3 жыл бұрын

I am responsible for what the vehicle does 100% of the time!

Interesting for me with a Model S 2014

When countersteer gets added 👀