That RTI result has to be intentional 😂

@daytoncorl271

2 ай бұрын

Elon is hilarious😂😂

@Eduardo_Espinoza

2 ай бұрын

But aren't they tuned by Bilstein and Firestone?

@benjaminbrown7127

2 ай бұрын

I haven’t watched it yet let me guess, 69?

@Supreme_Lobster

2 ай бұрын

@@benjaminbrown7127 420

@Technikfreak11

2 ай бұрын

@@benjaminbrown7127haha🤣

The best suspensión component explanation I've seen. Thank you !!

@bob15479

2 ай бұрын

Isn't the tall spindle also to allow the upper ball to come over the tire and get more uniform compression?

@Eduardo_Espinoza

2 ай бұрын

I heard to give room for the tire since you can't install a bigger tire on a model 3 @bob15479

@mickvonbornemann3824

7 күн бұрын

@@bob15479 Quite a bit of castor in the upper

Really interesting video. I like these longer form videos that just take the time to explain stuff a bit. Well done.

Great video, but it is unfortunate that you didn't test "Rock Mode" as that would have likely completely changed the suspension flex result. From the Cybertruck manual: "When the ride height is Very High, the suspension system pneumatically connects the springs on the front and rear axles, increasing suspension articulation for maximum traction."

@jdudleyh

Ай бұрын

Would also be interesting to see it in the lowest height assuming it is possible to remove the aero kit in front of the wheels.

Too bad you didn’t try rock mode. The manual says for rock mode “When the ride height is Very High, the suspension system pneumatically connects the springs on the front and rear axles, increasing suspension articulation for maximum traction.”

I love how in depth you went with this video. Great job Dan and C&D.

Man i wish i found your videos earlier you carry so much knowledge and explain it very well (:

Probably one of the best/most thought out and instructive videos MT has released in a while. This guy is very knowledgeable and puts together video in a way which is just plain enjoyable to watch and listen! Great job!!!

@dbeckMSP

2 ай бұрын

This is car and driver not motor trend lol but I can imagine if this was on motor trend, your comment would stand.

Awesome video. Made me subscribe. I was a mechanic, now financial and insurance career for 22 years and always hated how automotive journalists have no idea how all this stuff works and about the engineering behind it all. Totally worth the money

@walterrumohr7090

Ай бұрын

Hahaha, suddenly there is a lot of new wannabe mechanics not technician. Publicity hound dog.

Air pressure can be measured on the infotainment service screen. So covers only need to come off to adjust pressure. Not to monitor them.

@Putersdcat

2 ай бұрын

Shhhh this is Car and Driver, not a technical deep dive.

@rallyguy132321

2 ай бұрын

Yep, was thinking the same thing. I don't know if CT requires jack pucks, if so, none were used.

@Eduardo_Espinoza

2 ай бұрын

Why didn't it have auto onboard air?

@kelvinhelmholtz

2 ай бұрын

this comment is for people that only drive/own cars right? Dan (and everyone who drives/owns trucks) knows that pretty much every truck over 50k has had tire pressure monitoring forever... He's telling truck owners information they need to know - that you can't easily adjust or check the tire pressure at the tire.

@pauljefferies9087

2 ай бұрын

@@kelvinhelmholtz because, modern trucks tell us the pressure at the driver’s seat, remotely, automatically. On many many modern trucks.

Finally someone who knows what they're talking about. Put some disconnecting sway bars on the Cybertruck and it should make it quite capable off road.

Rivian was made to be the best outdoor adventure vehicle out there so no surprise it does so well.

@alanmay7929

2 ай бұрын

lol!!!!! imagine if the tacoma or those other trucks actually have air suspensions! its going to be way better than the rivian period!

@MountainManGuy

2 ай бұрын

@@alanmay7929 No. Just no.

@alanmay7929

2 ай бұрын

@@MountainManGuy of course its not going to have air suspensions, those things arent durable for actual heavy usage offroad.

@richardprice5978

2 ай бұрын

@@alanmay7929 try that again off road only sell's kit's for TJ's ( 1 of the last off the line full-load'd-spec 🇺🇸 ) and my siblings jeep has them ( rear is dump-truck/simi bag's but that's because of towing reason's and wanting to max 8-12k lb's/ 1/2-ton-dodge ( for now 1-ton mod's are in the works ) total-trailer weight and or tung-loading, max-rear wood-hulling/my-v8 ( 500+ci iron hemi-charger ) is around 500-2500lb in the bed/backseat area ) and they do way better than the steel-coils/factory 4in~lift wouldn't go back , and yes day 1 family ( sibling is the 2d ownership, but it was RPO'd in for boomer 😉 ) had it in mud and rockying so it's never really been a mail-crawling/show-car

@crichton269

Ай бұрын

Excellent knowledge and explanations thank you for making this videos for fans and non fans of the Cybertruck

Well done, Dan. You're definitely the go-to guy for these suspension deep dives.

Great walk through. I learned alot here. 420 and a 69 mixed in there.. 😂classic tesla move.

Great detailed overview!

Why am i even watching this? I drive a small car and can't afford a Cybertruck 😂. Im watching this because I like technology I guess.

You got me subscribed while watching this video! I really love those informative videos!

Thanks for the excellent content. However, the Jumbo Jet is not a FBW plane as far as I’m aware.

Good, solid info. Well explained. Thanks!

I thought the owner's manual said to remove the mudflaps and the front deflectors when doing rock crawling and such. I'd rather have an RTI in 369 than an STI in 169.

Really love these deep dives! No one else that I know of does this to this level of detail.

Really well done, make complete sense. Thank you!

Rivian is a beast of a truck.

Impressive that you mentioned about the one-pedal driving and rarely needing to use the brakes except during an emergency stop or maybe after hard acceleration.

@JB-ss3bv

8 сағат бұрын

It’s not a good thing off road where two pedal driving (at the same time) might be used.

Very informative, thank you:).

12:12 We've had to replace the rear brakes on our electric vehicles because they corrode/rust --- because a) they do not heat up and dry from rain/snow/etc and b) the rear brakes do less than the front brakes so even when you do require manual braking (vs all regen) they don't heat up. VERY important to get your brakes cleaned & lubed annually on electric vehicles as pins corred and pads don't slide so may wear prematurely. I've experienced this as well putting off clean & lube one year.

I feel bad for that jack! 😅

@jasonsstratton

2 ай бұрын

It's 6600 lbs. That's lighter than the lightning and rivian and in the range of a full sized truck.

@OmarZ77

2 ай бұрын

@@jasonsstratton stop crying at every comment. Elon won’t notice you. A full size F-150 is 1,900 lbs lighter, lier. Let alone Cybertruck isn’t even a full size truck. It’s less practical than a Camry.

@Leerzej90

2 ай бұрын

@@OmarZ77 braindead

@boostav

2 ай бұрын

@@OmarZ77 I think you're the one that needs to stop crying, it has more payload than any F-150 currently on sale and more bed volume than the most popular F-150 variant. By saying it's less practical than a Camry you're the typical npc who thinks they're in the know when in fact you're just signalling your ignorance.

@parsonk4041

2 ай бұрын

​@@boostavCome on. As if the bed size is the selling point.

very thorough work 👌 your knowledge of suspension is impressive; teaching people about front A arm bushing tuning :D

I love how they made the upper control arm out of a tin can

@leeandruby

2 ай бұрын

recycling at its finest 😂

@DanielGjrTing

2 ай бұрын

Also remember its bolted straight into it's aluminum frame.

@ericy.2108

2 ай бұрын

He explained why it doesn’t need to be beefier. 3:42

@andrewfranklin7087

2 ай бұрын

The upper control arm doesn't need to be beefier because the axle joins close to the lower arm meaning that leverage causes all the load to go through the lower arm - hence the lower arm being a beefy cast component.

@leeandruby

2 ай бұрын

@@ericy.2108 But it does. theres only been a few hundred made and already the wheels are falling off

Hi Dan, amazing video. I am wondering if you can provide with some measurements of the suspension geometry.

Wondering if the load rating D on those tires will be sufficient as my F350 had E rated for my trailer.

25:35 why not use the remotethingqmabob?

Is it important to differentiate frame flex from suspension articulation?

@tresbb03

2 ай бұрын

Good question.

@johnnyhb89

2 ай бұрын

It it adds grip it ships. I have a fairly identical set up 1st gen frontier and 2nd gen pathfinder. The Pathfinder has a fancier rear suspension, likely more travel in the front, and a limited slip in the rear vs an open diff in the frontier. Unfortunately it also has a stiff unibody . The frontier creaks and twists over things while the Pathfinder will get 2 wheels off the ground.

To check the air pressure, see service menu on screen. But yes, to fill tires with air the hubcaps must come off.

excellent presentation

Great video, thanks very much.

Where is the lighting flex test? I don't see it in your videos

car & driver - aero wheel covers actually reduce DRAG. but , also Excessive wear , so they were Recalled.

@reyfetsalmo3346

2 ай бұрын

They never delivered them with aero covers.

@jamesengland7461

2 ай бұрын

​@reyfetsalmo3346 as you can see, this one was.

@1ronEntertainment

2 ай бұрын

@@reyfetsalmo3346they did, the first few were

The amount of cannabis involved in the making of this vehicle must be legendary.

@trance9158

2 ай бұрын

Not even a stoner would design something so fugly

@kellymoses8566

2 ай бұрын

More like meth and ketamine

@antalryder7989

2 ай бұрын

@@trance9158 Yes I would!

@pauljefferies9087

2 ай бұрын

Comparable to, the amount of cannabis used by this review, before the review was written.

@parsonk4041

2 ай бұрын

Or the lack off

They are amazing long suspension travel and arms for full independent suspension.

I feel like the right front lifting has more to do with it being air suspension than the weight distribution?

How do you know all this? That's so much complex, detailed information on the wheels. Thank you!

@walterrumohr7090

Ай бұрын

He is an instant EV genius. Publicity hound dog.

The air pressure is displayed on the screen inside the truck.

@shuster2186

2 ай бұрын

Not the point

You are VERY good .... Thank you !

Great video. The merits of the presenter, Dan, made me subscribe.

28:45 - i was expecting suspension levels changing while on ramp. Will be interesting to observe behavior. Especially after driving in on ramp in lowest position and then switching to highest 30:20 - rear wheel self-steering under load :) Steering rack is a bit flexible. Guessing rear right wheel shoul turn same direction.

I got a lot out of this video. Thanks.

I would love if you do an update video referencing back to this video where you do the ramp test again with the updates that better tune the back motor and adds in the locker in the software for the front tires to see how the performance has changed

@Mittens1234

2 ай бұрын

Unless it tunes the suspension differently, it won’t matter. Once any tire lifts, the test is over.

@reru_personal

2 ай бұрын

@@Mittens1234Oh, interesting, though i am still curious how far up it could go on the test even with tire lift in the future.

incredibly talented explainer, well done!

It would be great to see the Ineos Grenadier Test...

24:10 what’s with all the creaking when you steer?

@StormyDog

2 ай бұрын

Tire scrubbing on the pavement.

Ive heard the exterior called an exoskeleton but it has no welds to the frame and all body panels can be removed hence its not a exoskeleton

It doesn't appear to have much if any caster in the steering, so I'm guessing the electric motors return the wheel to center as part of the programing...pretty cool.

The gladiator rubicon is at the top if you have the swaybar disconnected

Model Y owner. The air pressure can be checked from within the vehicle or through the mobile app.

@shuster2186

2 ай бұрын

Not the point

@dbeckMSP

2 ай бұрын

Can you change the air pressure in the app or the screen?

@parsonk4041

2 ай бұрын

That's standard for most new cars. But I don't think that was the point.

In the video you said 2. Seconds for the 0-60. 2 point what seconds? Or did you actually measure it at 2 seconds flat? I don’t imagine that could be the case

@richardjones8395

2 ай бұрын

It's 2.6 seconds

@caranddriver

2 ай бұрын

2.6 seconds. See our full road test with test results here: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a60115630/2024-tesla-cybertruck-beast-test/

@larryc1616

2 ай бұрын

Fastest truck ever!

OMG I didn't know what it was coz I've been living under the rock in the bottom of the sea, I'm Patrick's neighbor 😁 Thanks for sharing this excellent technical review

well done video.

I think i saw this guy in modesto ca this morning.

Well done on the Sub frames and cross members. More like a SHD truck for sure. Air ride has to be a must otherwise it would be very rigid and stiff ride.

You said that the suspension gets stiffer when you raise the suspension due to higher air pressure. That's not how an airspring is working if you drive a truck the pressure is the samme in a low setting as an raise hight. When you raise the air suspension of a truck you put more volume of air in the suspension, but the airbag is not an ballon or a tire what happens i that the airbag is slides up and down on an iron cone so no matter the hight the pressure will be the same. That's why it is easy to make DIY weight scale on a truck so you can tjek the vehicle isn't over the weight limit. Hope you understanding my very pour English Thank for a great video Yous truly Brian from Denmark 😊

Is that a press vehicle? It has a manufacturing plate.

@markplott4820

2 ай бұрын

PRODUCTION vehicle.

@quackman

2 ай бұрын

Probably, this is Car & Driver and they usually get cars str8 from the manufacturer for tests. Plus it's a Cyberbeast which I don't think is being delivered to customers yet, not sure

@markplott4820

2 ай бұрын

@@quackman - Cyerbeasts are being Delivered, older Videos exist.

@quackman

2 ай бұрын

@@markplott4820 Yes, my mistake on that latter bit. This is probably a press vehicle though w those plates (which may mean it's also production; the terms are not mutually exclusive)

How often am I having to buy new tires (give me an average distance, someone that’s knowledgeable) and what’s the cost of a set of four new replacements?

@EUC-lid

2 ай бұрын

Completely depends on how many drag launches you perform on a daily basis. There’s nothing inherent to EVs that makes them worse for tires than ICEs except for how easy it is to call up all the torque all the time and not get attention for it.

@pingpong909

2 ай бұрын

check back in a year when people actually drive it more.

@parsonk4041

2 ай бұрын

​@@EUC-lidEVs are heavier and therefore have higher ware and tare.

@EUC-lid

2 ай бұрын

@@parsonk4041 an M340i and a Model 3 are within 10lbs of each other. The BMW wears 225/45R18s to the Tesla’s 235/45R18s. Try again.

@parsonk4041

2 ай бұрын

@@EUC-lid So EVs are lighter or weight doesn't impact ware?

its not entirely a 48 volt system , also has 12 volt for some accessories.

A future software update could allow way more flex by increasing the air pressure in the air dampeners that aren't touching the ground. Each dampener can be controlled individually so when it detects wheel slip it could push down the dampener

@danharold3087

2 ай бұрын

I get the impression that Tesla will do a lot of software turning on its suspension.

@JB-ss3bv

8 сағат бұрын

Only if the valving hardware to support that is built in. Likewise, extending air suspension increases firmness and rigidity. But seriously, without provision for a full size spare this thing has zero off pavement potential.

A vehicle that is meant to tow/carry payload the rear brakes are more important than the front. The rear is the center of mass, and when braking, trailer dive will tend to float the front and compress the rear. Like the lack of articulation this seems like a half baked design by a team that doesn’t understand the use case.

Rivian being so high up there might explain why it went up that "it's not a trail" by the hands of Doug DeMuro so capably. I'm curious for their shorter SUV's score.

@jasonsstratton

2 ай бұрын

The CT has more clearance than the rivian.

@OmarZ77

2 ай бұрын

@@jasonsstratton stop crying

@alanmay7929

2 ай бұрын

@@jasonsstrattonits about suspension configuration and rivian has hydraulic/hydropneumatic suspensions like citroen.

@jasonsstratton

2 ай бұрын

@@alanmay7929 it's not nearly as rapidly adjustable as the CT.

@parsonk4041

2 ай бұрын

​@@jasonsstrattontoo bad the clearance doesn't seem to help.

Gladiator Rubicon (Bar Off) not shown?? Rti score 607 on your previous video. Kinda shady you're not including it, but are including Tacoma Disconnected...

I wonder if the single motor RWD model of the Cybertruck will come with rear steering 🤔

@phoenixultimate8253

26 күн бұрын

There isn't single motor model. They got rid of the option.

Thanks for another great video Dan. Your videos are very educational and I love the informal yet professional nature of the production. Very nicely done. Please keep ‘em coming.

I wonder if we'll see a smaller "light-duty" version of the Cybertruck.

These vehicles get progressively larger and heavier, at what point will a “commercial” driver’s license be required because of the GVW AND combine GVW?

@horscategorie

2 ай бұрын

26001 lbs

@gregb7353

Ай бұрын

You can go rent a 26,000lbs u-haul today without a commercial license. Think about how much more dangerous those are because drivers are unfamiliar with the vehicle. Large vehicles you own are not a big danger as everyone wants to make out like they are.

Elon says to the engineers: ok ok what ever you do its gots to be 420

Let’s test a truck in the wrong mode. Such smart

I would love to see you measure our Gladiator Rubicon

The next gen Cybertruck will have 3000 RTI index, along with 3000 miles range , maybe. hopefully 😁

I wonder if they wanted to switch to steer-by-wire on the new model S but couldn't fit it in but the yoke remained

You CHECK the air pressure electronically.

Those aero covers are also eating away at your tires on every rotation, they are eroding the sidewall. Cybertrucks no longer ship with them.

A moment of silence for Dan's mic

it will definitely go a bit higher with the "locked diff" mode. I have no way to say how much higher though. they will 100% do it because its just a sofrware update. also because its so vertically integrated and almost all electronics are made in house and sharing the ethernet data connection, it shouldnt be really that complicated . they will never miss on the opportunity to improve a product significantly with just software which is the easiest way for tesla which is not only a car but also a software company. a Also looking at the air suspension , it is most likely that they could go much further and dynamically adjust the suspension height independently on each wheel. this could only work in a slow rock crawling mode because rhe airbags will take seconds to adjust, maybe about 10s from lowest to highest. I can see it outperform off road truck in artculation test with an additional 4 in in each direction

Watch your vid at 23:54 to about 23:59 and look at the lower part of the door when you close it....

The wheel covers absolutely make a difference. For #1, range. #2 they look sick as hell.

@ALMX5DP

2 ай бұрын

I'm not a fan of plastic hubcaps. If that design was actually an integral part of the wheel, I'd be more okay with them as I do like the look.

@hummerguy

2 ай бұрын

@@ALMX5DP Same

@salahad-din3907

2 ай бұрын

@@ALMX5DPthey probably have to be made out of plastic because they could become a hazard if the come off and they are made out of aluminum or something. The reason that they look different is because they go over the tires, if they didn’t they would look just like any other wheel design. I guess it’s a trade off of trying to make a different design go on a production car.

@parsonk4041

2 ай бұрын

I have never heard anyone ever say that wheel covers look sick.

@parsonk4041

2 ай бұрын

@@salahad-din3907 since the entire wheel is Tesla specific, it really should be one part.

Love you videos but why do you have the gladiator not at your rated top 607? Makes no sense.

dude, you can check the air pressure on the screen, oh m g, you really didn't know that?

Barely 4 minutes in and wondering why the brakes are grooved so bad. My Rivian is showing nearly zero wear at 27k miles.

@EUC-lid

2 ай бұрын

Was your R1 a press car being tested for braking performance?

@bonustimeslots

2 ай бұрын

@@EUC-lid looks more like a rock caused that than hard braking.

@parsonk4041

2 ай бұрын

​@@EUC-lideven if you test it down to the metal this looks horrible.

@EUC-lid

2 ай бұрын

@@parsonk4041 outside of carbon ceramics, brake rotors are iron or steel. “To the metal” implies there’s supposed to be another layer. Other than a microscopic layer of brake pad material transferring over, it’s all metal. Some grooving is normal, especially when overheated/abused (such as during instrumented tests). BEVs default to regen, meaning they often suffer from not using their brakes enough on the street to cook off water, resulting in extra rust (particularly where road salt is used).

@danharold3087

2 ай бұрын

Maybe it is the truck that haggerty ran on the go cart track. Brakes were glowing red.

1.3% areo benefit to the wheel covers per other C&D video? [10% for tonneau cover]

This truck is screaming out for some @74Weld portal hubs.

Check air pressure on the display. Just like my Subaru ..

Significant digits, Dan. You can't go out 4 decimal places on a tape measure. 20 9/16 should be written as 20.61 in decimal form.

@pauljefferies9087

2 ай бұрын

Please don’t tell believers in the digital metric system, that, mathematically speaking, fractions are much more accurate. Ssshhhhhhh🤫. Don’t tell.

@EUC-lid

2 ай бұрын

@@pauljefferies9087 Inches (and thus fractions thereof) have been SI units (which are based on metric units) in the USA since 1933. 1” = 25.4mm It’s been a 91 year charade to keep tradesmen feeling a sense of misplaced patriotism.

Can you retest when lockers are available and also remove the mud flaps? I'd be curious to see what low nets you in that scenario.

@alanmay7929

2 ай бұрын

it will not help because the wheels are already lifting from the ground thats where he stops for measuring.

@piemanklp

2 ай бұрын

@@alanmay7929 I think you're correct for the hight of the suspension he tested, but I think he stopped at the medium setting because he was worried about the mud flaps hitting the ramp. Having it in low may net a bit more travel since the bags will have even less air in them. If I'm not mistaken the owners manual also says to remove the mud flaps before going off-road. The ones in front of the wheels are on there for aero. Similar to the front air splitters a lot of trucks come with.

@alanmay7929

2 ай бұрын

@@piemanklpwrong!!! he drives up the ramp till one of the 3 remaining wheels barely touches the ground then stops to measure thats how it works

@piemanklp

2 ай бұрын

@@alanmay7929 doesn't the right front tire lift at a different point based on the suspension setting? I thought that was the difference between the two different heights he tested and the two outcomes observed in the video?

@alanmay7929

2 ай бұрын

@@piemanklpthe front tire isnt supposed to lift unfortunately! this is about testing the flex of the vehicle/suspensions.

Wow did they finally solved the cap tire rub issue?

The mud guards probably come off for offroad.

those wheel covers (hub caps?) are 100% getting stolen

@nathansuss

2 ай бұрын

cameras

@rodmunch69

2 ай бұрын

Not everyone lives in a Democrat ran city.

@nathansuss

2 ай бұрын

@@rodmunch69 true lol

@markplott4820

2 ай бұрын

Cybertruck has 8 cameras Recording the thief & their License plate.

@DragonKnightX12

2 ай бұрын

Well they're destroying tires, so probably not worth much. Lol

Maybe you can test a Mercedes G Class. This would be awesome

Surprised the hubs are so rusty already

Nice in depth video, will you test again with the sway bars disconnected? Assuming tesla will offer optional disconnecting sway bar links in the future

@danharold3087

2 ай бұрын

If Tesla does not others will. After market is growing.

1:00 WOW that must be the worst most touchy feeling steering WHY? and why is it not a wheel, hope they made it progressive so it requires more steering when centered 2:00 the bearing hub looks like its already rusting from poor storage and handling, no oil, 2:10 i hear those covers are wearing into the tires and also cooking the brakes from less airflow and wow you need to remove it to check the air that's INSANE, put them in the garbage 4:23 that upper control arm looks thinner then what would be expected on a ATV, not fully enclosed inner fenders or water, rock splash shields gunna rust out FAST 6:45 that tire rod looks thin, idno about 2500lbs bed and 11,000lbs , wow are those exposed high voltage wires!!!!!! no shield, you know someone's going to be drifting it around in winter and drive into a stick or light debris and short that out with snow rain all over everything will be a lightning show? i like the shock absorbers they seem good 17:20 the driveshaft is rusting a lot already, needs oil the boot will start to spray grease it spins fast 19:45 that's a heavy wheel 24:15 why cant it go up a small hill?? does it even have a differential, does it think he's making a corner? haha

7000 lbs. insane.

More flex than a 79 series