The upper control arm does not just control camber. It locates the upper ball joint both laterally and longitudinally, so in combination with the lower arm it contributes to lateral location, longitudinal location, camber, and caster. The only things it doesn't do are support vertical load (because the spring acts on the lower arm in this case) and steer. Yes, loads are lower than those of the lower control arm, because it is acting at the end of a long lever - this and shorter upper arm length are why extended hub carriers are used.

19:05 You would have to be insane to try and bake the air suspension receiver into the casting. The number one design rule for large castings is to minimize your scrap rate. To reject an entire giga casting because there's a problem with the air receiver is setting yourself up for failure. Not to mention that reservoir is a cookie cutter part to build coming pre-tested from a tier supplier.

Kevin is a top notch engineer , he knows his stuff , would be cool to see another engineer to fireside chat with Kevin to draw him out and highlight the extent of his knowledge and previous engineering wins.

That air pump and tank needs to inflate the tent accessory and they should include a compressed air outlet in the bed next to the electrical outlets.

@Slebonson

19 күн бұрын

Oh they'll move it don't worry. This is just version 1 of this truck it has a long way to go yet.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

TANK, not enough Volume. Cybertent has separate Portable AIR pump.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

totally useless

@darylfortney8081

19 күн бұрын

@@markplott4820 are you kidding me

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

@@darylfortney8081 - NOT KIDDING, Facts.

Aaaand lovin' Kevin "Himself" Harty in this one again!

@rogerstarkey5390

20 күн бұрын

Essentially correct

@MunroLive

20 күн бұрын

Kevin is one of our best!

@drive-channel1834

19 күн бұрын

@Munro Live you guys all are really the best, my top favorite channel 👍

@calholli

19 күн бұрын

People just have to learn that it's ok to have silent moments. We develop these auto responses to fill in dead time and they are just bad habits. It's ok to have thought moments of silence

@capslock9031

18 күн бұрын

@@calholli I think it's great fun listening to Kevin. And very informative.

Again.. Making the air tank integrated with the main casting would be a bad idea IMO.. If it had a leak for any reason, you would need to replace the entire casting just to fix it; that's just a terrible idea. When you have something as fickle as an air system, everything about it needs to be easily replaced. It can still be integrated with things, other mounts, acting as a cross member, etc. etc.. Just as long as it's still easily replaceable. There is a very important line to draw between total integration and right to repair.

@imconsequetau5275

18 күн бұрын

Just my opinion, but if a system is "fickle", it was made too cheaply somewhere.

Thanks - that was very informative. Good presentation.

@MunroLive

20 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Very very informative presentation, thanks again Munro Live 👍

20:28 same! this is the clearest video I've seen of this part of the CT and I can easily say I prefer without the air suspension and doing without the auto/collapsing tonneau cover. Consider all the space, cost, weight, complexity savings without those.

Great video Kevin.

@MunroLive

19 күн бұрын

Thanks 👍

Great presentation! 👏👏👏

@MunroLive

19 күн бұрын

Thank you! 😃

Dave Sparks got problems with the upper control arm when modding the truck. If you increase the wheel offset extensively, the upper control arm will probably give up, so the aftermarket parts builder has to take that in consideration.

Wonderful overview!! My reservation is still in the queue. However, I feel like I'm getting to know the vehicle beforehand with these videos.. Thank You!

🙋‍♂️🤗THANKS KEVIN AND THE MUNRO TEAM FOR SHARING THIS…AND WE HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER SOON 👍💚💚💚

@MunroLive

20 күн бұрын

Thanks

@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler

19 күн бұрын

​@@MunroLiveI will say air ride might not be on performance vehicles that are on road but military vehicles have suspension that is constantly variable and reading the terrain that it's driving on and adapting its suspension to match that Terrain... I feel a software update is going to allow this inside of the cybertruck

Great preso with clear explanation. I'd love to see a simulation of the travel - very interesting.

@MunroLive

19 күн бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

CT = 12 " Travel @ the Wheels.

That back area looks so clean in terms of design.

Great video ❤good job Tommy

Thanks!

@MunroLive

19 күн бұрын

No problem!

Enjoyed the video! Also good source for a drinking game with the words "interesting" and "Rivian itself".

@MunroLive

19 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

The front lower control arm is being shown upside-down, which only matters when it is (loosely) assembled with the hub carrier (knuckle) to illustrate the suspension configuration.

AWESOME

Great!

great video.

@MunroLive

19 күн бұрын

Thanks!

Phenomenal video! From a geometry perspective, the long tesla knuckle wraping around the tire will change the camber significantly less at high steering angles compared to the Ford and Rivian. It would be interesting to test, but it could improve tire life.

22:50 is the white line for emergency fill of the air ride system?

@imconsequetau5275

18 күн бұрын

IDK, but there has to be a connection to pressurize the battery pack as well, somewhere...

nice

It really is just a big unibody car through and through... The style of suspension construction reinforces that fact.

@user-ln7of9gs4s

19 күн бұрын

I’m not sure if you’re trying to make a point, or if you’re just making a statement.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

Hybrid UNIBODY w/ Massive FRONT & REAR Gigacastings & 4680 Structural battery pack , Structural ROOF.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

@@markplott4820 its just lame unibody nothing structural lol!!! the honda ridgeline is just as "structural"

@mphRagnarok

19 күн бұрын

⁠you sound offended :)

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

@@mphRagnarok thats what she said lol...

Thanks! It would be nice to have a video talking about exoskeleton vs traditional body structure

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

MUNRO already did AD Nauseum. see - SANDY video @ SAE WCX 2024. and CT @ Texas factory tour.

@simson4t

19 күн бұрын

There's no exoskeleton, this is unibody vehicle.

@MunroLive

19 күн бұрын

Thanks

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

@@simson4t - Hybrid Unibody - see Rivian.

It's the Itself man himself!

@MunroLive

18 күн бұрын

Kevin

Not a huge fan of those gooseneck steering knuckles but as long as you are ok with stock tires they keep the scrub radius down and make for good suspension geometry, but what’s with the polka dot styling /s.

@user-ri5pj3iq9l

19 күн бұрын

Dots are for scanning components for Cad modeling.

@solarcannonballrun

19 күн бұрын

@@user-ri5pj3iq9l LOL yes I was making a joke :)

@concinnus

19 күн бұрын

@@user-ri5pj3iq9l It was a joke, hence the /s.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

LASER scanning Dots.

when are we going to see an evaluation of the new VW ID4?

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

NOBODY wants to Teardown that GARBAGE. meb Platform is CRAP.

@snookmeister55

19 күн бұрын

Munro must consider what there is a demand for, so if you don't see ID4 then no Munro customer is interested in benchmarking VW. Munro sells a product from teardowns.

Is that front upper ball joint replaceable, or does a ball joint problem mean a whole new control arm? Munro likes it, so it must not be repairable.

Why not incorporate the steel cradle into the casting. Is it because you want to isolate the motor and suspension points from the body for nvh? Makes sense but why not make it out of a big casting as well? Is steel better for a cradle somehow?

@miscellaneousdanger

11 күн бұрын

According to an earlier video from Munro, a steel cradle is strong, easy to make, and cost effective. A part that doesn't really need any insane engineering.

21:20 - How about the new Taycan with hydraulic suspension?

I wonder if the bushings on the front lower control arms are replaceable.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

see - Cybertruck REPAIR manual.

@calholli

19 күн бұрын

On most vehicles that I've seen, where you can replace the bushings. It's not that much more to just replace the whole control arm at once.

What's the labor rate for the control arms? I bet it's something like 0.2-0.6.🤦‍♂️

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

the BEST repair , is NO repair in the First place.

It would be nice if Kevin (and other speakers) used a color pointer so the camera person knew what to shoot and the audience knew what part on the table to focus on.

👍👍

Nonsequitor: anyone know the purpose of the 2 louvered rectangular ports on the rear of the CT cab?

@tesla_tap

19 күн бұрын

I bet the are cabin air vents. You need somewhere for air to exit the cabin when all the windows are up and you're bringing in fresh air from the front.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

RTFM.

@imconsequetau5275

18 күн бұрын

Maybe where the air displaced by the tonneau cover rolling in/out.

Also very eager to see the body-in-white, really curious about the details of how the exterior stainless steel panels are attached to the unibody

@mini2nut67

19 күн бұрын

The rear quarter panels bolt to the rear Giga casting. The rear quarter is made of a 1.4mm thick outer skin that is laser welded to a thinner SS inner skin that is stamped.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

we saw BIW in Last episode.

I would like to see the suspension of the Cybertruck in 2028 when i plan to buy. Bet there will be improvements...... But great great work Kevin and the entire Munro team.

@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck

20 күн бұрын

My revivifier has a reservation ~1,300,000 hopes to get his October, 2026,

@nemesis9693

19 күн бұрын

Wow, lol😂

@brendanmeyler1641

19 күн бұрын

It will be vastly superior and cheaper by then if the model 3 and y are anything to go by. I suspect they will design areas of the pack, suspension, and air ride system by then. There will likely be a plethora of aftermarket suspension options as well.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

@@brendanmeyler1641 nope thy wont and also the truck will not be as easy to modify as you are saying its just not even close.

What's the estimated lifespan of the air struts vs conventional ones using a shock and spring. Also, how much are those air struts?

@brendanmeyler1641

19 күн бұрын

Air ride systems will usually go 23:45 80,000-100,000 miles before they go. They a couple grand to replace. Really the more concerning issues arise later which deal with leaks in the system around hose connections. Those can be difficult to find and there is more labor involved to fix them. Traditional shocks and struts have varying lifespans. Those that are more basic can easily last over 100,000 before being replaced while more high performance options such as those from fox need to be serviced about every 50,000 miles.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

the BEST repair is, NO repair needed.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

@@markplott4820 you are a troll!

@brendanmeyler1641

17 күн бұрын

@@alanmay7929 the fact that the two of you are arguing in the replies on several comments is just ridiculous

@alanmay7929

17 күн бұрын

@@brendanmeyler1641 even more ridiculous is you commenting too

It would have helped (at least, for a non-car expert like myself) if you had started with a photo: Tire removed and all the parts under discussion with labels and arrows pointing to them. Maybe even tint each part in the photo a different color to tell them apart. Just holding a part up and saying it wraps around the wheel doesn't exactly mean much on its own. Thanks.

@MunroLive

19 күн бұрын

We inserted a clip showing it all together.

@jimdetry9420

19 күн бұрын

@@MunroLive Nice. Thank you very much.

@bradcavanagh3092

19 күн бұрын

There is an older video on this channel that explains suspension systems and the differences between them.

As long as the upper control arms won't trap water and rust like they do on model 3 and Y then I will be happy.

VERY WELCOME 🤗👍

Hey Munrolive are you guys able to make a video / content with what you've seen regarding RHD markets and retooling costs. Lot of people wana know if it has been designed with that in mind.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

READ the Tesla RHD repair manual.

😮

😉👍

What May 4 CT event?!?

@MunroLive

19 күн бұрын

We held a May 4th Cybertruck teardown event at our facility.

I'm curious, will the engineered design of the rear casting and suspension system allow for a 5th wheel hitch to be easily mounted to the truck?

@billstevens3796

19 күн бұрын

@leowanner1228 Asking the *real* questions! I will probably have to cancel my order if it won't support a gooseneck hitch setup.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

YES , simply attach 5th wheel to HITCH Adapter , do NOT Exceed 11,000+ lb TOW rating. you CAN buy 12,000+ lb TOW bar w/ hitch from Unplugged Performance f/ Cybertruck.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

@@markplott4820 bullshit!!! stop talking crap on internet! you dont even have the range to tow 11,000 let alone 12,000! there isnt any 5th wheel let alone a dually configuration possible.... nothing will ever beat body on frame trucks!

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

@@markplott4820 on body on frame truck you can very easily upgrade the towing capacity, refinforce the and extend the chassis, install a longer range fuel tank, even convert to 6x6...... tons of mods possible.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

@@billstevens3796 youre too funny! a gooseneck really!

Pneumatic suspension is _way_ better than hydraulic in the long run. Really not that hard to work on and despite the higher cost of struts (that's still cheaper than hydraulic or magnetic) it's easier to replace them than conventional shock and spring

@otm646

17 күн бұрын

Hydraulic has massive performance advantages. It's simply too expensive for most vehicles. If you have any experience with the Mercedes SLS or BMW rear hydraulic system, you'll realize that the parts are almost bulletproof.

Curious, what kind of pressure is used in the storage tank for normal operation?

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

RTFM.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

who really cares?!

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻✌🏻

The weight of the vehicle “hangs” from the ball joints rather than pushes into it. Terrible design. When that ball joint pulls in two you instinctively stab the brakes which steers the tire into the fender/door area.

@amoreforless

19 күн бұрын

Yeah , it's amazing to think the full weight of the vehicle is hanging from a small ball , which generally wear out quickly enough. If the rubber booth gets damaged grit gets in and wears away quickly. But it's a cheap and easy way to get the job done , so not too bad.

@brianb-p6586

18 күн бұрын

No, it does not load the ball joints in tension. The "loose" assembly illustration had the control arm upside down, placing the ball joint incorrectly. You can see the actual assembly in other videos, such as Munro's "Tesla Cybertruck Underbody".

Sweet mother of god....the size of that rear casting for the cybertruck....that is pure profit for tesla

@vipahman

19 күн бұрын

Profit that does not translate to a vehicle cost reduction.

@tesla_tap

19 күн бұрын

@@vipahman - Why not? Seems the alternative would require far more parts and labor that would either drive the cost higher or profits negative (or both). Might be why the Rivian is losing $40K/vehicle for the company.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

@@vipahman - then YOU did not ANALIZE correctly.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

its not a pure profit also its not a single cast its multiple pieces bolted together if you arent blind to see well.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

@@tesla_tap what a joke! the alternative doesnt mean far more parts! a body on frame truck doesnt need far more parts its just two tubes the long of the vehicle with lateral tubes to carry and reinforce everything plus the chassis makes modifiyng a breeze!

I feel like Cybertruck won't be able to support large sidewall 33" or 35" mud tires like 305/70 R16 or 35x12.5 R18 without heavy mods because I the smallest rims it can take are 19 inch and there isn't space for a wider tire, either. I see a highly-rated mud tire for less than $200. It's a 32" on a 255/75 R16 Would fit great on CT were it not for the brakes. Even being able to do 17" wheels would be helpful for fuel economy with road tires while helping mudders & rock climbers.

Thank you. Content Grade A Delivery Grade B - seemed a little nervous for no apparent reason and this affected smoothness of delivery.

@billstevens3796

19 күн бұрын

@deanrhodenizer938 We apparently didn't watch the same video. I detected no nervousness whatsoever.

Is there an upcoming video on the exoskeleton and if it increased or decreased overall costs? Videos like suspension analysis are interesting but feel mundane compared to some of the wackier new ideas in this vehicle.

@MunroLive

19 күн бұрын

Yes

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

see - Sandy video - Cybertruck @ Texas Factory tour.

At 8:30 time stamp Kevin fails to explain how the cybertruck axle shaft interface works in that GKN style interface bearing assembly. Instead he goes into detail on the Ionic wheel bearing/axle interface assembly. I am very curious on how the "GKN styled" axle interface works.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

RTFM.

But the adaptive air suspension still needs the electromagnetic dampers to change the ride stiffness without changing ride height or am I wrong here?

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

WRONG - see CT manual.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

@@markplott4820 troll!

Is it mean if we did an "itself" or "in and of itself" counter? Just messing with you, Kevin, you're awesome!

@MunroLive

19 күн бұрын

We have one planned for his next video

Jesus, that upper control arm is paper thin. If you hit the brakes hard that thing is going to turn into Origami.

A comment meant for other video

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

Please RESPOND is English.

@Voltedge89

19 күн бұрын

@@markplott4820 I was writing a comment on other video, the playlist kept going on and I kept writing and posted, so It posted on this video instead.

4:40 Please don't call it "dampener". 😭

@BillMitchell-lm8dg

20 күн бұрын

"Damper" is, indeed, the scientific and formally educated engineering term. But the NASCAR-type guys like to "dampen" an oscillating system, sometimes with a can of beer. 🙂

@themonsterunderyourbed9408

20 күн бұрын

Stop crying. In French, an adapter is called "Adaptater".

@BillMitchell-lm8dg

20 күн бұрын

@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 That's French. This is English - where a dampener makes things wet.

@HannyDart

20 күн бұрын

@@BillMitchell-lm8dg the only acceptable way to dampen things in an automotive context. well, that and champagne on the podium :D

@BillMitchell-lm8dg

19 күн бұрын

@@HannyDart Yes, champagne on the podium is best! 🙂

Oh man good thing you'll never have to change a CV shaft on an Hyundai Ionic out on the trail. #nightmare

Those upper control arms looks paper thin, and using stamp steel will be rusting quickly. Add to that, those casting spindles could become an issue off-roading, being prone to cracking.

@billstevens3796

20 күн бұрын

@RogerM88 Yeah rust. Because *no-one* has *ever* used stamped steel for suspension components before. SMH.

@RogerM88

20 күн бұрын

@@billstevens3796 There's a reason why most OEM building trucks through decades, use double stamps welded together.

@mayflowerconsulting5540

20 күн бұрын

Cast aluminum spindles (knuckles) are common on pickup trucks, front and rear.

@RogerM88

20 күн бұрын

@@mayflowerconsulting5540 Not with this extent. Look at the shape of that spindle. A stress fracture in the upper section will mean an extensive work to replace it. Plus replacing the wheel bearings.

@andrewhalonen5241

20 күн бұрын

@@RogerM88 F150, Silverado and Ram all have cast aluminum front knuckles with a goose neck, yet prly not as tall as the CT. And, they are about 1,000 LBS lower in curb weight.

No stabilizer bars ? if not why not?

@whodat9198

20 күн бұрын

CT has massive sway bars, that's why aftermarket made manual disconnects for off roading. Also why it handles so well on road

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

see Unplugged Performance , Cybertruck parts.

Great information, Kevin. For the love of all that is holy please please please find a different filler word than “Essentially”. I almost had stop watching after the 10th “Essentially”.

Itself itsself itself Itself itsself itself Itself itsself itself Itself itsself itself Itself itsself itself

The guy’s speaking while chewing gummy bears 😂

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

he keeps them in his Front pocket , so they are Warm & Squishy.

Say it with me: "DAMPER"

Powershare. We have a Cybertruck. A Tesla-approved electrical contractor just installed a Powershare gateway so our Cybertruck, in the event of a power grid blackout, can quickly take over powering our home. The Cybertruck packs battery power equivalent to 8 Powerwalls. This Cybertruck backup power benefit provides big value to us. We were told only Cybertrucks in the Tesla family currently have this home powersharing capability. What unique components in the Cybertruck enable this function? How costly are these components? Is there anything preventing this capability from eventually appearing in other new Teslas models?

The engineering is sub par but it’s the “tooling” to cut cost and that’s a win? For who? The shareholders or the owners?

@UnlikelyToRemember

19 күн бұрын

for those who would buy one at $120k but not at, say, $180k?

@billstevens3796

19 күн бұрын

@cmnhl1329 Another armchair engineer...

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

CT Engineering it WORLD Class execution. NO one else has a 48v Truck, that is Built REAL TOUGH, not fake tough , like EVERYONE else.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

@@markplott4820 its utter garbage troll! take a chill pill! a 90hp toyota hilux made 30 years ago is tougher than than that crap and has been in use n very harsch environments around the world.

@2:10 That sucks. That's gonna add a ton of cost to lift kits.

@shanedw2

19 күн бұрын

I honestly wonder if that was intentional to minimize poorly executed mods…

@drive-channel1834

19 күн бұрын

Tesla should use dual-ball-joint system on the knuckle side for lower control arm, and upper control arm, straight knuckle, good geometry / scrub radius

@billstevens3796

19 күн бұрын

@1903tx It doesn't need a lift kit. It already has more clear ground clearance than most lifted trucks. Remember, no differentials hanging down, no shock mounts hanging down.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

NOPE - see Unplugged Performance.

@1903tx

18 күн бұрын

@@markplott4820 Does that kit use spacers to push the unit bearings out? If so, that seems like a bad idea.

I find it interesting you don't really analyze the air bag system. Is there no definitive consensus? You said you know people that work them and they don't like them. I think you are saying they are good for height adjustment but not for quality of ride. I have eight bags on my motorhome, which are great for leveling, and my Town Car came with them but they were replaced with springs because of cost. But I have them and could put them back in. I suppose that is where you are at in the analysis of this suspension. More of a gimmick?

@otm646

17 күн бұрын

The bags themselves are not usually the problem. It's the pump and the control system that give problems down the road. Your RV is big enough to have space for a more heavy duty truck style air system. Ram was having trouble in Canada with condensation freezing in the lines or valve block for example. Automotive applications the parts are small, the whole setup is fiddly.

Take a shot of whiskey every time he says “essentially.” 😳

@WANDERER0070

19 күн бұрын

I dont drink whisky 😂

@matthewdunstone4431

19 күн бұрын

He’s an engineer, not a presenter. Cut him some slack.

When is someone going to make a long travel kit ? Wider , Full uniball pivots , big Porsche 934 CV joints , 16” travel all around . Would be lots of fun.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

see - UNPLUGGED Performance - Cybertruck parts.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

@@markplott4820 nope its none of that what are you dreaming about?!

This is one slow tear down. I’ll probably have my cybertruck before you’re done.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

NOPE , it would take YOU Months , 3 Quarters of YEAR. and you would Probably BREAK something to Disassemble. MUNRO does best NOT to break anything.

Really great. ...high-pressure salesmanship on junk if there so great why did they dead line all of those monsters

I think the cyber truck will gain a great deal of support from the aftermarket in terms of suspension.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

CT already has from Unplugged Performance , already has FIX for Front Upper control ARM. has off road & PERFORMANCE parts.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

nope it wont! its not designed to be great suspension articulation or capabilities either! it also doesnt have a sway bar disconect..... ford has both front and rear on the bronco.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

@@markplott4820 they havent fixed shit1 and wy does that upper control arm looks so flimsy? for a truck thats supposed to compete with ford raptor for fast offroad driving its utter garbage.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

@@alanmay7929 - what do YOU expect , its a STOCK part. 90% Cybertruck will be DAILY DRIVER , DYI projects , Construction sites x5 week. off road will be MINOR like TOWING. thats why Unplugged offers TOTAL line to upgrade Cybertruck parts.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

@@alanmay7929 - I NEVER said Tesla fixed the Upper arm. I did say Unplugged Performance & OTHERS already have a FIX.

"Dampener," seriously?

"Dampeners"? Did I hear that right? Is this a new or secret feature on EV's? Lemmie guess... the "dampeners" spray a shower of water on the undercarriage when the battery spontaniously ignites. It's "dampers". NOT "dampeners".

You should have been a school teacher

That is not a MacPherson strut😂! There is a clear upper control arm that acts as a pivot to steer the wheel you even talk about the upper control arm in Great lengths 🤔.

@brianb-p6586

18 күн бұрын

True, it is not a MacPherson strut suspension at either end... and he never said it was. It does use spring and damper struts.

The price should evwntually come down with all these cheap parts

It's the "it's interesting" guy again

@MunroLive

19 күн бұрын

Kevin. His name is Kevin.

second

@desertstar223

20 күн бұрын

Second What? Second Idiot?

I am surprise to still see pressed steel in there. Why not go all in castings at this point? Can't the increase of cost in metal be recovered in saving in batteries saved because of weight reduction?

@billstevens3796

20 күн бұрын

@alexforget Cost benefit analyses are your friends in manufacturing.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

COST of Forged Castings is prohibitive.

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

Steel is just unbeatable! its not only amazing for towing ability but to very easily attach accessories to a truck or vehicle! thats why nothing beats body on frame vehicles for not just towing but also modifications.

@otm646

17 күн бұрын

Everyone has told you the same thing, but I have seen the actual OE parts costs A to B here. Stamped and welded steel is cheap cheap. There is a massive cost save. Plus by definition there is substantially more ductility in that upper control arm than if it were cast aluminum. Controlling the movement of that front corner assembly in a crash might be part of the decision process as well.

@markplott4820

17 күн бұрын

@@otm646 - all within spec , for NON off road use. CT is NOT under Warranty for off road use.

You basically explained why German cars are scrap after 5 years! I’ve been spouting this for the last 20 yrs 😮

@alanmay7929

19 күн бұрын

nope German cars arent crap after 5 years! its the super advanced more advanced than every tesla with crazy tons of features from suspensions to lighting and tons more. look at the mercedes Sclass from the 70s they had hydraulic doors and mirrors before the electric ones.

@petersimms4982

19 күн бұрын

After repairing them 4 20yrs , I think I’m qualified enough to back up my statement! R u? 😜🥴

It looks like the Cybertruck is a large unibody design with SS panels hanging from it. The only stressed “exoskeleton” piece may be the quarter panels.

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

NONE of HFS panels are Stressed , they ARE Martensite very TOUGH.

Yup, best to avoid first run cars or trucks. Tesla pushed to get the CT out there and somethings are unfinished or done just good enough.

@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck

20 күн бұрын

Kim Kardashian doesn't care - got her photo op and that is worth half a million.

@shanedw2

19 күн бұрын

Interesting to see if this suspension cleans up in 5 or so years

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

CYBERTRUCK is currently the SAFEST production truck , also the TOUGHEST ever made.

So which part snaps when you drive through a dirt parking lot? As Dan Edmunds has objectively shown, it has suspension articulation of a 1985 Toyota Tercel.

@drive-channel1834

19 күн бұрын

Your mental will snap first, maybe 😁

@jamesengland7461

19 күн бұрын

It has 11" of ride height adjustment, so whatever you're spewing is nonsense

@billstevens3796

19 күн бұрын

@jamesengland7461 They're all hung up on "articulation" because that's how much it can flex without a wheel leaving the ground. And when you have to have all four on the ground to make traction, that's relevant. Cybertruck does not need to have all four wheels on the ground to make traction.

@Ficon

19 күн бұрын

@@billstevens3796 CT currently has open diffs front and rear and since it’s not quad motor like Rivian, it’s relying on tire traction and brake-based traction control like some cute-ute Honda CRV to transfer power. Better hope you get the OTA unlock of the lockers before Elon goes all business genius and fires that team (the head of CT manufacturing is gone already).

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

very HARD to break a Cybertruck.

Do those louvers against the rear seat wall in the bed allow climate control into the bed of the truck?

@geirmyrvagnes8718

20 күн бұрын

That's what I wanted to know! That would make a bed tent compatible with camp mode, but it is usually hidden between the seats and the tonneau cover storage.

@GROND15

19 күн бұрын

no, they are so your ears don't pop when you close the door.

@geirmyrvagnes8718

19 күн бұрын

@@GROND15 Sounds like they could be modified for camping use, in that case. Airflow from the cabin to the bed is what you want.

@geoffgeoff3333

19 күн бұрын

​@GROND15 They seemed very large, so maybe "aftermarket" will sell fans which circulate cab HVAC to the bed.

@darylfortney8081

19 күн бұрын

@@GROND15 bummer

Lots of contradictions and rambeling, not one of the easiest uploads to follow due to these indications.

Pronounce the word "important"

Interesting that all their castings are made in China for the CT... would have expected them to just knock them out in the same factory with the gigacasting machines being used for the chassis.

@mayflowerconsulting5540

20 күн бұрын

I interpreted that comment to be on knuckles and control arms, and maybe a cradle, not the giga casting.

@CJOlin

20 күн бұрын

Utilizing the Giga casting machine for small parts that can be sand or die cast would be extremely cost prohibitive. The Giga casting presses are designed for large pieces. Designing and engineering a die to make multiple smaller pieces would be counterproductive and a waste of the machines capabilities. Yes, the knuckles and other aluminum parts are made in China, BUT they are made at the Tesla factory in China, hence the MIC designation.

@darylfortney8081

20 күн бұрын

@@CJOlin couldn’t they just be branched off the main piece like spokes and trimmed off or all cast together as a complete vehicle set like how model airplane parts are usually delivered that you have to separate from the whole

@markplott4820

19 күн бұрын

NOT castings , FORGED Aluminum, ONLY for REAR. Front Cradle is American made Stamped Steel .

I finally saw one of these IRL the other day. Elon must really love Ketamine.

99% of owners will not take this vehicle off road. Not because it can’t but because most trucks are used for work on the ROAD.

@RogerM88

20 күн бұрын

So what's the need for a truck? They should get a car instead. Those upper control arms look too thin, as the large casting spindle is more prone to cracking. Towing heavy,even on the road could also stress those components.

@DavidAMcC

20 күн бұрын

There are,probably a percentage who drive one because it's the Cybertruck and not because they need a truck.

@dadman9492

20 күн бұрын

@@DavidAMcC agreed. My point is that worrying about how it holds up off road is kinda stupid. I have a 2014 tundra crewmax and it wouldn’t hold up very well off road . Thats what i have my moto cross bikes for 👍😀

@billstevens3796

20 күн бұрын

@dadman9492 I'd be willing to bet a similar percentage of Raptors are never off-roaded.

@billstevens3796

20 күн бұрын

@RogerM88 Yes, exactly. Just like all the people who are driving one-ton duallies with their powerstrokes and Cummins who have never even had anything in the bed or ever towed anything. They should be driving cars too!

Cybertruck suspension is garbage. Google some videos

First

@desertstar223

20 күн бұрын

Oh dear God. Go play in the sandbox.

@drive-channel1834

19 күн бұрын

Ninety-fifth