Toyota Land Cruiser Suspension Deep Dive and RTI Test | Car and Driver

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Toyota infamously discontinued the Land Cruiser in 2021-in North America, at least. Other markets got the 300-series Cruiser when the 200 went out of production in the course of a normal model change cycle, but we did not. That's not entirely true, because the folks over at Lexus agreed to sell the 300-series, and they brought it over as the LX600.
Only one of the five LX grades costs less than $100,000. To save the Land Cruiser, Toyota decided to kill it first; otherwise, the prospect of a $90,000-plus 300-series Land Cruiser might do it in for them.
Why skip two model years? Disregard any "We heard you, so we're bringing it back" PR spin, because it's hogwash. They planned to switch to the 250-series Land Cruiser Prado chassis all along, but it was on a different development timetable. This year was the soonest they could get it back in circulation.
The result is a 2024 Land Cruiser that starts at just $57,345 for the base model, called the 1958, and rises to $63,345 for the well-equipped Land Cruiser grade. The First Edition, a $76,345 limited-time-only kitchen-sink model loaded with accessories, is what we're looking at here. It's identical to the others underneath, except the 1958 has 32-inch tires instead of 33s and lacks the stabilizer bar disconnect the others have. All of this is a huge step forward, because the volume-selling Land Cruiser grade comes in nearly $24,000 less than the deceased Cruiser's final base price of $87,030, while the base 1958 is almost $30,000 less expensive.
Is it a real Land Cruiser? Purists have long dissed the Prado, but that dates back to the '90s when the Prado switched to 4Runner-based independent front suspension while the 80-series still had a solid front axle. The Prado name got a spiteful bit of tarnish in the eyes of some at that moment. But a funny thing happened when the 100-series Land Cruiser came out: it had independent front suspension too. The 200-series went that way, and IFS is here to stay.
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00:00 Intro
00:33 Tire sizing
01:29 Front suspension
02:12 Upper control arm
02:36 Bump stop
02:59 Shocks
03:31 Ball joint. shock motion ratio, steering stop
05:21 single shear and double shear explained
06:19 Disconnecting anti-roll bar
07:20 Brakes
07:54 Front suspension wrap-up
08:16 Rear suspension
09:05 Rear shocks
09:35 Bump stop
09:56 Rear links
10:43 Anti-roll bar
11:11 Panhard rod
12:32 Brakes
13:24 Wheel and tire size, weight
14:23 Rear suspension wrap-up
14:40 RTI test intro
17:52 Calculating results, anti-roll bar connected
19:10 Disconnecting anti-roll bar
22:11 Calculating results, anti-roll bar disconnected
24:11 The results

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  • @yeahnah773
    @yeahnah77329 күн бұрын

    An actual review that explains the engineering! instead of a “car guy” that talks about how many drink holders it has

  • @jlucguerrier

    @jlucguerrier

    29 күн бұрын

    Exactly what I was thinking. I love this video. This guy is speaking my language.

  • @Bedawson

    @Bedawson

    28 күн бұрын

    came here for this.. my kind of review

  • @edensfamilyadventures2714

    @edensfamilyadventures2714

    23 сағат бұрын

    Thank you so much for this review that breaks it all down and explains the nitty gritty. Can't wait to take delivery of our new First Edition LC! 👍

  • @CJ-rk5eg
    @CJ-rk5eg29 күн бұрын

    Please test the GX 550 OVERTRAIL with eKDSS!

  • @kyle9482

    @kyle9482

    26 күн бұрын

    yes !

  • @DavitGiorgadze

    @DavitGiorgadze

    25 күн бұрын

    @@kyle9482 Good Idea!!!

  • @nicolefernandez3962
    @nicolefernandez396229 күн бұрын

    one of the best 4x4 channels on all of youtube! info we really want

  • @ianboyd7687
    @ianboyd768729 күн бұрын

    Excellent! Can’t wait to see you do this with the new GX550!

  • @telealotstm3188
    @telealotstm318829 күн бұрын

    16:16 testing starts here

  • @ryanmoyes2079

    @ryanmoyes2079

    29 күн бұрын

    Bravo

  • @rtduc8633
    @rtduc863326 күн бұрын

    The result really shocked me man. Even the ford bronco can not keep up to this land cruiser according to your test. Very helpful video.

  • @electrikoptik
    @electrikoptikАй бұрын

    Flexed more than I expected. Wish Dan could test the 300-series GR LC with E-KDSS. It should easily beat the record of 661 set by the 200-series. Unfortunately they don’t sell ‘em in the US.

  • @user-oe7pr5ww2m

    @user-oe7pr5ww2m

    23 күн бұрын

    GX550 could be LC300, because GX has also E-KDSS and suspensions are bit modified for bigger tires.

  • @floofy117

    @floofy117

    21 күн бұрын

    ​@@user-oe7pr5ww2m e-kdss doesn't make the gx a 300 series. The gx is just a fancy 250 series/prado. Prado and gx have always been twins, just look at the previous generation lc150 /prado and you'll see every bit of the exterior apart from the front facia is exactly the same as the previous gen gx460 and the lc120 is the same as the gx470. The 300-series is closest to its fancy twin which is the LX600

  • @onenessacts238

    @onenessacts238

    11 күн бұрын

    Not true. Gx550 is same chassis, same drive train, same wheelbase 112 just a different wrapper and interior. Lc300 has 9.7 rear diff. Gx550 has the 9.5 rear diff. Go over to ih8mud. Big write up on it. The gx550 is our 300. The historical differences are gone with new platform. Lc250, 4runner, gx550 lc300 lx600. All built on same platform with same wheelbase. Differences are in suspension and engine choices , diffs interior and obviously exterior

  • @dirkcurritzki9585
    @dirkcurritzki958524 күн бұрын

    this program is 100% gem

  • @lunamaria1048
    @lunamaria104827 күн бұрын

    I have been legally driving for 13 years, and in that 13 years have owned an FJ Cruiser and two 5th gen 4Runners. I still have my FJ, and recently bought back my second 4Runner from the person I sold it to, because they were returning to Asia, and we agreed to those terms, because I have a lot on money into it, including a Magnuson supercharger, Fox Shocks etc. I am going with the GX 550, after 13 years with an FJ Cruiser and two 5th gen 4Runners, mainly because I want a V6 from the 300 Series, I want more luxury/comfort, and the added stock off road capabilities of the center diff lockers, all in a package similar to my 4Runner I'm use to. I dislike the current GX, but the 550 will give me the reliability and build quality of a Japanese built Toyota/Lexus product too, which was very important! Your videos are always insightful. Thanks!!

  • @rationalmoderate
    @rationalmoderate11 күн бұрын

    Excellent lesson on the new engineering with some surprising results. I never imagine this vehicle having better numbers than the KDSS 4runner

  • @kordaxmint533
    @kordaxmint5334 күн бұрын

    I subscribed just because of this great video with in-depth technical review.

  • @dwong506
    @dwong50629 күн бұрын

    Been waiting for this video since the reviews started coming in! From another mechanical engineer: thank you Dan!

  • @Unimportantrichard
    @Unimportantrichard29 күн бұрын

    Always look forward to the flex test.

  • @drive-channel1834
    @drive-channel183429 күн бұрын

    Excellent video, thanks so much for sharing this! I love technical review like this.

  • @AllenKrughoff
    @AllenKrughoff29 күн бұрын

    This is the video we wanted, thank you!

  • @raymondowilson8537
    @raymondowilson853729 күн бұрын

    Hey Dan, thanks for video. So are you going to the new LC or waiting on the new 4runner?

  • @Kee_Diddy
    @Kee_Diddy19 күн бұрын

    Fascinating! Love this video. Actual engineering talk!

  • @FreedomAtRisk
    @FreedomAtRisk29 күн бұрын

    Thanks for the details!

  • @salehabdullah7950
    @salehabdullah795014 күн бұрын

    That’s what we call a real review , Thanks man

  • @2URLex
    @2URLex29 күн бұрын

    Very impressive stuff. Definitely waiting on the new GX to get its turn with E-KDSS

  • @ryanehoward
    @ryanehoward29 күн бұрын

    I don't see myself ever going off-roading or buying something like this that can. HOWEVER Dan's videos are so interesting I have to watch all of them.

  • @4WHEELSHOP4X4
    @4WHEELSHOP4X428 күн бұрын

    Hello Dan J200 Platform and suspension are King Of the road. Nice Flex Index test, you are the best.

  • @cutan06
    @cutan0612 күн бұрын

    Love you Bruh, more precise. Thanks

  • @gulu-cat
    @gulu-cat29 күн бұрын

    This is high quality objective content!

  • @Douglas.N.
    @Douglas.N.12 күн бұрын

    Most informative review!

  • @lw5993
    @lw5993Күн бұрын

    Excellent video!

  • @ThatOneDudeNick
    @ThatOneDudeNick18 күн бұрын

    Good video. More in depth than the dedicated truck channels that covered this vehicle.

  • @paulvictor9368
    @paulvictor936814 күн бұрын

    Thanks for the great video. Is the running gear the same S the 300 series, or is the 300 series more beefy?

  • @pinkipipe
    @pinkipipe20 күн бұрын

    Great job 👏🏻

  • @TofuRobots
    @TofuRobots21 күн бұрын

    Loving that the Sharp EL-531D calculator from the early 90's is the only powered tool you use.

  • @MrCherrygrovedude
    @MrCherrygrovedude29 күн бұрын

    The single shear bottom strut mount is interesting.

  • @scotto9712
    @scotto971221 күн бұрын

    I find these interesting, thank you for posting. I would like to see a larger scoreboard so you can keep some older test scores on it. It seems you had some other 600+ score stock vehicles at one time

  • @neman018
    @neman01829 күн бұрын

    Can you test the GX 550 with EKDSS?

  • @alexsystems2001
    @alexsystems200129 күн бұрын

    Hey I saw this exact Land Cruiser on the 405 freeway the other day in Orange County! Same color, same plate that’s kinda neat! I am curious how this compares to the GX460

  • @tedeganagondi
    @tedeganagondi24 күн бұрын

    Great video👏👏👏

  • @andybj4318
    @andybj431829 күн бұрын

    So so nice to hear the well educated car fan! Thanks for this engineering adventure! In Europe we have less attractive prices and the „cheapest“ version out of 4 available might be a good idea. Anyhow it’s a great pleasure to see your video!

  • @paulpham9
    @paulpham929 күн бұрын

    I like it when you removed those wheels. Just liked and subscribed your channel. Thanks

  • @torresggustavo
    @torresggustavo29 күн бұрын

    The wear on the corner of the tires is pretty significant. Is that from offroading/deflating?

  • @mas921
    @mas92127 күн бұрын

    will share this video with those who like to diss the LC250 as "its just a Prado"...😂

  • @DenisLM
    @DenisLM29 күн бұрын

    Really curious to see if the GX E-KDSS gives extra points on this test (as it should) and how many…

  • @cue03
    @cue0327 күн бұрын

    Awesome. Can’t wait for the test with the new GX550 Overtrail to see how it compares and hopefully put some folks at ease with whether the E-kdss articulates more

  • @lsxfbodygen3
    @lsxfbodygen328 күн бұрын

    Look forward to seeing how the GX550 does vs the LC on RTI with its new E-KDSS

  • @DavitGiorgadze
    @DavitGiorgadze25 күн бұрын

    Thank you for video. Please try "GX 550 OVERTRAIL "

  • @LessTalkMoreDelicious
    @LessTalkMoreDelicious29 күн бұрын

    I think… you should test the new 550 and old 460 GX as well 🙂

  • @JG-od3xy
    @JG-od3xy26 күн бұрын

    What an amazing review

  • @ricardoprieto392
    @ricardoprieto39229 күн бұрын

    Very Good vídeo!

  • @Aurora_v_cali
    @Aurora_v_cali29 күн бұрын

    My nerdy ass loves this stuff thank you

  • @vipermoon_
    @vipermoon_28 күн бұрын

    I wonder if the 1958 trim level has a smaller anti-roll bar

  • @EWOverland
    @EWOverland15 күн бұрын

    Thanks sharing,

  • @BattleScar09
    @BattleScar0929 күн бұрын

    How about the GX 550?

  • @TulsaMtnBiker
    @TulsaMtnBiker28 күн бұрын

    Can you clarify if the lx600 score had AHC?

  • @MSchumacherfan
    @MSchumacherfan29 күн бұрын

    How does compare with a Jeep or full size pickup?

  • @user-ip4kz3qf2x
    @user-ip4kz3qf2x26 күн бұрын

    学习了,感谢分享这些知识

  • @MaddNomad1015
    @MaddNomad101529 күн бұрын

    I’m here for the “Too bad it’s a Prado and not a 300 series, I wouldnt buy it if it was but still.”

  • @JStryker7

    @JStryker7

    29 күн бұрын

    Some morons have even called it a rav4

  • @SanoyNimbus
    @SanoyNimbus16 күн бұрын

    It is so beautiful! I really want one. :)

  • @therealmbakugaming
    @therealmbakugaming11 күн бұрын

    We need to see if the new EKDSS on the GX550 makes a difference.

  • @skunkiiee7333
    @skunkiiee733329 күн бұрын

    17:43 bro really lifted the whole suv with one hand

  • @lindenmeyer11
    @lindenmeyer1129 күн бұрын

    Can´t wait to see the Ineos Grenadier tested. Cheers

  • @hodad200
    @hodad20029 күн бұрын

    C/D needs to buy Dan an electric impact

  • @a36538
    @a365387 күн бұрын

    Can you review a bronco badlands 4dr without the 35s? Ford limits the articulation of the 35s/sasquatch package

  • @legion1630
    @legion163029 күн бұрын

    1st thanks for the review..always looks forward to real tests..additionally i hear people talking sMACK about the new LC so i have a few comments.....You all know LC in the past did not have V8 right and btw why need V8 on the trail. 2ndly i heard a lot of bashing the V6 with turbo on the Tundra all of a sudden people like it in the Lexus GX550 hmmm

  • @m7mdq3
    @m7mdq315 күн бұрын

    لو يفعل الترجمة 👍🏼 هذي القناة ممتازه 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @NoNamesAvailable81
    @NoNamesAvailable8129 күн бұрын

    It would have been interesting to see how a JLUR stacks up to help determine whether the on road characteristics are worth it :D

  • @grisa12345

    @grisa12345

    28 күн бұрын

    JLUR is like 771

  • @voxel999
    @voxel99929 күн бұрын

    Curious if you’ve tested a Wrangler Rubicon. Wouldn’t that be the benchmark?

  • @grisa12345

    @grisa12345

    28 күн бұрын

    It is, RTI is in the high 700s stock.

  • @NemeanLion-
    @NemeanLion-27 күн бұрын

    I think the disconnecting sway bar isn’t available in the 1958 model because it would cross the $60k mark.

  • @Thergood
    @Thergood28 күн бұрын

    Now do the GX 550. Seemingly the best of the new Toyotas.

  • @azoozmrz9944
    @azoozmrz994426 күн бұрын

    Keep in mind Lexus lx600 has very different suspension part compared to lc300 the Land Cruiser 300 has eKDSS with coil suspension instead if hydraulic suspension on the lx600, i think the GR lc300 will get the highest score on board. Thank you for your amazing videos👍🏻.

  • @jdesmo1
    @jdesmo129 күн бұрын

    I bet good old GX 460 with its KDSS and sweet reliable V8 can do that or even better?

  • @Jay-me7gw

    @Jay-me7gw

    28 күн бұрын

    The GX460 would do no better than his TRD Offroad 4runner since they are the same chassis and both had KDSS. The front travel on the GX is pretty poor stock.

  • @TobyCostaRica
    @TobyCostaRica24 күн бұрын

    We missed ya Dan the suspension man

  • @tdub25
    @tdub2527 күн бұрын

    So the lc’s 33’s on 18’s are 4lbs LIGHTER than the 31’s on 18’s in the g550…. Those ltx trails are a great tire for what most lc’s will do, long hwy trips, a little snow grass and dirt mixed in

  • @jonahfastre
    @jonahfastre13 күн бұрын

    I wanna see the Ineos Grenadier on RTI test

  • @killercan10
    @killercan1029 күн бұрын

    0:35 what's up with those tires? Thats some nasty scrub or flaking where the tread wraps around to the sidewall. And this is the new LTX Trail from Michelin that is also on the Tundra where its not getting the best feedback either. Premature wear and mushy sidewalls (which could be contributing to what's going on with that tire on that LC). Too much sidewall roll.

  • @datninja408

    @datninja408

    28 күн бұрын

    Press cars are driven pretty hard 😊

  • @jamesmoline4411
    @jamesmoline441129 күн бұрын

    What a fantastic video, Dan. Well done in every way. I am waiting for my LC FE that is at the Port. I had a 1999 Land Cruiser for 15 years and loved it. The truth is, the Planet can’t survive if we all keep driving V8’s. This new LC has far better emissions and that matters for our children and grandchildren. This thing will get me there and back on my off-road adventures in the Rocky Mountains. Great job, Dan!!

  • @edgal9841
    @edgal98419 күн бұрын

    Why do those tires look pitted like a sponge on the edges?

  • @eminbey3382
    @eminbey338227 күн бұрын

    Kolay gelsin efendim

  • @kerktam
    @kerktam29 күн бұрын

    I wish they would have NA engine in this LC

  • @RJ-vc2ju

    @RJ-vc2ju

    28 күн бұрын

    Or the diesel available everywhere else...

  • @brianh5393
    @brianh539320 күн бұрын

    I paid a lot less than $100k for my 200 series. I'd also be surprised if any dealers will be letting the first edition go for MSRP. What shocks me is that Toyota designed the 200 series before 2007 and they haven’t come up with much better for the 250 or 300 series. If you want to push any of these Toyotas to the limit, an early 200 series will be a far better choice for the money!

  • @drsus0
    @drsus029 күн бұрын

    the 300 series doesn't use the lexus' air suspension on the off-road trim ( GR) , specifically so that it doesn't limit the flex the way air suspension does. it also doesn't have the huge impeding predator front end :)

  • @electrikoptik

    @electrikoptik

    29 күн бұрын

    The LX600 doesn't use air suspension. It's hydraulic in models with AHC.

  • @drsus0

    @drsus0

    29 күн бұрын

    @@electrikoptik ah, yes, corrected. it still to my point that it's not sprung like the Land Cruiser 300 GR and other trims that yield more travel...this according to the Aussies that have done side-by-side comparisons with the 200 and 300. the 200 is at the top of this list and the 300 has even more travel w the same exact same wheelbase; it makes me conclude that the lexus w that suspension is limited on its full potential, right?

  • @Jay-me7gw

    @Jay-me7gw

    28 күн бұрын

    @@drsus0 AHC is sprung really soft actually. It has soft coils and then the shocks act to supplement the coils. The LX570 and 200 series Land Cruiser were pretty close on this same channel, but the LX was at a disadvantage because he had to put the suspension in high mode due to it being the sport package with the ridiculous bumper. A normal LX could have gone up the ramp in normal mode and flexed better. Either way, I'd take the benefits of AHC with a small hit in RTI. The system functions amazingly well if you use your truck for more than just offroading.

  • @christopherwaits7852
    @christopherwaits785229 күн бұрын

    One thing to note. While it scores favorably to the LX600, the 300 series Land Cruiser probably has better approach angles so the score for the LX might not necessarily reflect the LC300

  • @Arda86ca
    @Arda86ca28 күн бұрын

    I miss the " Insideline "

  • @edwardbughiuc100
    @edwardbughiuc10012 күн бұрын

    make sure to bring the drywall square before you go in the bush

  • @user-nn9oh5wv5d
    @user-nn9oh5wv5d19 сағат бұрын

    Me gusta land cruiser para papa Esteban

  • @charlestimmis273
    @charlestimmis27327 күн бұрын

    You have been waiting for the all new untested 4Cyl turbo???? not the original bullet proof V8 ?

  • @rrplymouth70
    @rrplymouth7029 күн бұрын

    Would like to see the RTI score on the Bronco raptor.

  • @UnsightedADV

    @UnsightedADV

    29 күн бұрын

    The bronco with sasquatch package (35 inch tires) has less flex then the regular badlands Bronco. They need to limit articulation to fit the larger tires. I wouldnt be suspired if the Bronco Raptor had even less flex on account of the 37" tires. Which, I would say is fine considering that Raptor trim levels are all about baja/ desert racing rather then rock crawling.

  • @datninja408
    @datninja40828 күн бұрын

    1st Mod - remove front and rear anti-sway bars

  • @vipermoon_
    @vipermoon_28 күн бұрын

    50 50 !!!

  • @abadym
    @abadym27 күн бұрын

    I will tell you what I think in the comments, I think you are AWESOME!

  • @mattg8116
    @mattg811628 күн бұрын

    I would point out that the Badlandsnon-sasquatch Bronco is a better comparison for the Land cruiser, both using smaller tires and having more flex. The First edition (Sasquatch package) trades some flex for larger tires from the factory.

  • @pawankumar-ws1xk
    @pawankumar-ws1xk25 күн бұрын

    250 is certainly better looking than 300.

  • @TJSpike
    @TJSpike22 күн бұрын

    MAKE SOME NOISE, BRING PONTIAC BACK, I DONT EVEN CAR IF THE AD IS FAKE🦅🦅🦅🦅🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @reyperez3424
    @reyperez342428 күн бұрын

    I’m surprised that thing didn’t break an axle like the redesign Tacoma

  • @iwazaru8101

    @iwazaru8101

    28 күн бұрын

    That's the difference between Made in Mexico vs Made in Japan. 6th Gen 4Runners will be made in Japan, too. Tacoma fans got the short end of the stick here.

  • @kvagenn3203
    @kvagenn320321 күн бұрын

    How scary he is

  • @ilhomjonusmonov9314
    @ilhomjonusmonov931419 күн бұрын

    Здравствуйте. Я. Авто. Дизайнер

  • @rossomeness3549
    @rossomeness354915 күн бұрын

    Laughable is all aspects…size, power and price.

  • @ToyotaLoverarifabdelaziz
    @ToyotaLoverarifabdelaziz24 күн бұрын

    suspension deeper than my ex boyfriends pockets hehehehhe i bought new toyota with all the money i stole from him UwU

  • @LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD
    @LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD29 күн бұрын

    *_McLandCruiser_* Toyota is hoping Americans don't Google "Landcruiser 300 GRS" 😅

  • @davidhouston7812

    @davidhouston7812

    29 күн бұрын

    😂 🤣 Man you kill me every time 🤭

  • @AllenKrughoff

    @AllenKrughoff

    29 күн бұрын

    Followed by "Landcruiser 300 GRS price"

  • @PeakDecline

    @PeakDecline

    29 күн бұрын

    It's half the price of a 300 GRS. Like we get it, we know about the 300. Who cares, with this logic the only real Land Cruiser is a 70 Series.

  • @AllenKrughoff

    @AllenKrughoff

    29 күн бұрын

    @@PeakDeclineexactly! Was waiting for this test, crushed it. Tinkerer’s Adventure posted a great engine tech deep dive recently that’s also worthwhile

  • @shaneh734

    @shaneh734

    29 күн бұрын

    😂😂 I still don’t get why we don’t have the 300 series!

  • @krisk1547
    @krisk154725 күн бұрын

    Metric is the only correct system to use :P

  • @CarlosOteroC
    @CarlosOteroC28 күн бұрын

    22:50 Metric person here, can confirm 😵‍💫

  • @irfanspace
    @irfanspace29 күн бұрын

    tire and suspension is like they just took it from RAV 4 . Even Rav 4 has a better size tire .

  • @maximua78
    @maximua7829 күн бұрын

    Cheep jack and stand, and not flat driveway, be careful

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