Thanks for letting me come over and show you my project! I had a blast. (literal and figurative).

@michaelwilloya3510

3 ай бұрын

Please don't stop doing whatever it is you're doing. Lord knows the industry needs more people like you.

@tritium77

3 ай бұрын

This is an awesome project, I very much hope you put them into production

@calebmeyer2121

3 ай бұрын

The work you have done on that magazine is great, its begging for a whole ecosystem of guns and calibers to be built around it. Good guns are reasonably common, good magazine designs are very rare. I hope this will become one of those successes! EDIT: Holy crap, the 50 round quad stack magwell being directly compatible with a scorpion magazine is amazing. Take my money!

@dans.98

3 ай бұрын

Wonderful job on your take of a classic . I would like to have one .

@warrenb8228

3 ай бұрын

I love your gun, I hope it goes into production, I would buy one.

Makes sense he was Kel-Tec's head engineer by looking at this creation. (All Love)

@cyrusfreeman9972

3 ай бұрын

Didn't George Kelgren design the Tec-9?

@Tom-kv8wy

3 ай бұрын

Just the word Kel-Tec scares me

@BeeHiverson

3 ай бұрын

Thinking outside the box is the best

@TobiasArmsLLC

3 ай бұрын

​@cyrusfreeman9972 he designed the original KG-9 (Kellgren is the K). This was open bolt. Later on it was changed to a closed bolt and tec 9 name, and a few other names ( kg-99, DC-9,....) I believe this was after George left.

@TweakRacer

3 ай бұрын

Gotta feign superiority by starting out with a crap-on-KelTec caveat. Typical fudd… can’t trust my life to a KelTec… YET… mine runs awesome and is one of my most fun guns. Any brands have zero development issues with any of their firearms? At least they’re innovative.

"We're trying to find a manufacturer to make these" *PSA Has entered the chat*

@cyrusfreeman9972

3 ай бұрын

Please?

@Merica1776

3 ай бұрын

OMG….contact them. They would make it. This would sell thousands!!!!

@crktritual

3 ай бұрын

Pretty please with sugar on top? 🥺

@seanwinner9924

3 ай бұрын

PSA builds their own firearms. They don’t go outside

@ronlabe5487

3 ай бұрын

​@@seanwinner9924 "Yet."

I always liked the Tec 9 design. Very edgy and nice sharp angles. I'm glad the modern design has an upper and lower.

@distalradius8146

3 ай бұрын

The original is a steel upper in a plastic lower. The plastic is pretty weak by modern standards and was prone to cracking at the rear which is why there are so very few functioning transferrable Tec-9s on the Registry today.

@AboveAverageMan97

3 ай бұрын

Yeah It was great addition to the kitchen when making Cole Slaw.

@jediknight1294

3 ай бұрын

​@Tony-eo8zzhonestly with good mags, known good springs and Hot ammo they were fine. Same as the Uzi. Run underpowered ball and worn or otherwise crap mags and it sucked. Oh and the original open bolt guns were better than the post open bolt semi ban guns. Far less reliable.

@oktayyildirim2911

3 ай бұрын

@@distalradius8146 Transferable? They aren't machine guns.

@distalradius8146

3 ай бұрын

@@oktayyildirim2911 Oh, sorry for being unclear. Yes, they were originally manufactured as open bolt semi-autos (at least before the ATF-mandated closed-bolt redesign) but prior to the 1986 Hughes Amendment a number of them were registered and converted to F/A. These are what I was referring to.

Great to wake up at a Saturday morning and see 2 certified mechanical engineers demonstrating a contraption that actually works. As a mechanical engineer myself, this makes me think that there still might be hope for actual engineers designing guns. Greetings from a snow covered Swiss precision belt of the Jura mountains.

@zendell37

3 ай бұрын

As a non certified mechanical engineer (started, but never finished) I find it fascinating how many things are designed poorly with glaring failure points.

@robendert7617

3 ай бұрын

@@zendell37 I totally agree. Today, many products are miscarriages due to the influence of lawyers and regulatory affairs specialists. Many design people have too little knowledge of production processes, and their designs are considered awkward in the production environment. One of the reasons I opted for a specialization in production management and technology, was to be able to come up with better design, and to participate in the industrialization process. Industrialization is all too often overlooked. All points that my teachers brought up and advised me. Now that I'm in my early 60's, I can only be happy I heeded their advice because they were right. The different videos on this channel also demonstrate how production processes and design are intertwined.

@zendell37

3 ай бұрын

​@@robendert7617 Indeed. The "how it's made" is very important. Forgotten weapons did a series on the Garand and found out at the last second if the receiver is cut a certain way, then magazines loaded one way would always jam first round. It's little issues like that that'll often be overlooked by the lawyers and beam counters. You have to have the experience and understand the why to it all.

@HanstheTraffer

2 ай бұрын

Recently I have wondered, "how many engineers actually know what the hell they are doing?"

The gun gods have provided for us today

@standoverandblick

3 ай бұрын

🙏🏻

@HighSpeedNoDrag

3 ай бұрын

And 1984.

If you build it , they will buy it !

Tech 9 just has that 80s-90s action movie appeal. Slapping a stock or brace on it and having a red dot makes it way more practical, just like your other "machine pistols," Uzi, Ingraham, etc

Color me crazy but I've always liked the Tec-9 pistol. I find this upgraded version very interesting. Thank you for sharing!

@chemistryofquestionablequa6252

3 ай бұрын

A reliable version like this would be great with a brace.

@brother_kane4340

3 ай бұрын

I agree a braced version would be nice. I agree with Mark Serbu as well. It would make a great platform to SBR as well.

All I have to say is "gimmie dat"

@SmokeNGunsBBQ

9 күн бұрын

GIBS ME DAT

That is pretty cool... the 9mm scorpion magazine direct changeover really got me

Much thanks for showing this dude's new baby. Assuming mag availability wouldn't be a problem, a lightweight 30 SC PCC would be incredible. Tried out a s&w in 30SC after watching one of your earlier videos on it. Very impressed. Your price comparison between 30sc & 380/32 (rather than between capacity for 30sc & 9) is what the industry should have gone with at launch.

Of all of the firearms keltec makes, why not this one?!

@TobiasArmsLLC

3 ай бұрын

They are busy with plenty of other projects.

@Alolan.Vulpix.Getting.Railed

3 ай бұрын

Because Kel-Tec only likes to make ugly guns nobody wants, not good looking ones people actually want

@Lonegunmanonthegrassyknoll

3 ай бұрын

​@@Alolan.Vulpix.Getting.Railedshuuuudddduuuup gun snob. always some casual yappin about things that don't matter.."Waaaah,😥😥 keltec makes ugly guns!" If ppl didn't buy keltecs they wouldn't be in business genius. I have owned mine for over 12yrs.

@hammerhead7900

3 ай бұрын

Smith and wesson seems to think they're doing something right. ​@@Alolan.Vulpix.Getting.Railed

@claytheenemy

3 ай бұрын

Kel tec don't make modernized recreations, they make barely functioning fever dreams. It's a cool gun but not in line with what Kel tec does

Kel-Tec wasn't interested in this little guy? It's pretty frickin cool.

@chrisoffutt8968

3 ай бұрын

probably doesn't use enough polymer and was not designed with the help of 'innovation powder'

@JustaGoodOlDodge

2 ай бұрын

@@chrisoffutt8968Intratec was driven’ out of business for making the tec9, not making that mistake again…

@SmokeNGunsBBQ

9 күн бұрын

​@@JustaGoodOlDodge that's bc it was open bolt back then

Nice plinker. Back to the 80's vibe. An Itallian Spectre M4 has a quad stack mag.

I would inevitably buy this

8:59 middle aged mechanical engineer/paper engineer here. Love your channel because I’m always learning . This stuff is super inspiring. Credential dropping doesn’t work in my industry- everyone is smart. Or maybe I’m dumb?

@robendert7617

3 ай бұрын

Well, knowing that you might be dumb in some aspects is actually a sign of intelligence. The more you learn, the more you find out how much there is to learn and how much you still don't know. While real stupid people are too stupid to understand how stupid they are. So they think they know it all, and are full of assurances and self-confidence. My take on the Dunning-Kruger -Paradox as another middle-aged mechanical engineer.

8:06 Only mark would quote Schindlers List while his friend is showing off a new gun he designed lol

@SmokeNGunsBBQ

9 күн бұрын

Based

Quad stack???!!! I'd like to see a trend of quad stack mags and some PCCs for them - 45acp and 9mm!

@deadmau56661

2 ай бұрын

If he could design a quad stack mag for hi points hed be filthy rich lol

@leveractiongypsy1848

2 ай бұрын

@@deadmau56661 Yeah, I tried with the Hipoint and got 15rd 1911 mags with the 1911 mag catch mod. I ended up getting a Bear Creek Arsenal 45ACP carbine and 26rd Glock mags. Cycles flawlessly, very accurate and they are cheap

If the gun isn't expensive when it eventually gets produced, i would buy it.

🤘 😁 🤘 A TEC-30 Gotta love the Keltec guys and thinking outside is the box.

@mikeblair2594

3 ай бұрын

Hmmmmm.....I love the sub-2000, but they could reign in that thinking outside the box just a bit.

@burtswayze

3 ай бұрын

@@mikeblair2594you… “love” the sub-2000?!? 😳

I was present at a San Antonio gun shop when a customer brought in his open bolt TEC-9 for service. I told him I had recently read the ATF wanted them all registered as SMGs because they were too easy to make full auto and sometimes went full auto on their own. The shop owner rolled his eyes at me and took the gun in back to test it in his bullet trap. We heard a bang, bang, braaaappp!!! He came back out shaking his head.

@2wheeleddemon999

3 ай бұрын

Hahaha nice

@mimica2156

3 ай бұрын

I'm surprised it fired 2 rounds in a row

@sifer5913

3 ай бұрын

I've shot several mags open bolt you would be surprised how fast they go no time to jam

@dame2dame60

3 ай бұрын

Lol..Yah take that load!!!

@Paladin1873

3 ай бұрын

@@mimica2156 Quite true. I once tried to talk a customer out of buying a registered full auto one, but he wanted to play Miami Vice. It was a jamomatic.

Bravo!! Brilliant design, Toby. I’ve been saying for quite some time that 30 super carry is begging for an ultra compact PDW with a high cap mag -modernized VZ61/tec/just like this, or in a B&T TP9 format. Would be really interesting to see a subsonic 30super carry load with the bullet weight maximized for suppressed use

@dragonhealer7588

3 ай бұрын

Lots of us are working on a subsonic .30 Super Carry load. But THIS gun looks like a perfect host! And coffin mag! If someone produces this, I'm buying. Several.

@jediknight1294

3 ай бұрын

Honestly the problem with the suppressed carry load will be that most of the benefits disappear and yiu are left with a small diameter not reliably expanding lightweight bullet. I think 30SC shines with the high velocity it's going as standard. Shame the ammo ban means we can't setup some ap loads like the old Russian 7.62x25.

@shooteveryday1841

3 ай бұрын

@@jediknight1294 indeed- the tyranny of the sound barrier. When you’re constrained to ~1100fps, all you can do is maximize bullet mass in terms of bullet energy

@jediknight1294

3 ай бұрын

@@shooteveryday1841 yup

lol awesome to see a guy with an engineering degree use side cutters to pull and hammer pins,look their just like us normal folks.kidding

@TobiasArmsLLC

3 ай бұрын

Sometimes it's the best way.

I love seeing another quad magazine come to market! Ina modernized tec9 design to boot!

lol I was issued the 45 Cal Grease Gun back in the mid 90s at my first unit in the Army as a recovery crew member. As soon as I saw the bolt I was Leo DeCaprio pointing at the screen!

@mattnsac

3 ай бұрын

Thats every blowback MG bolt ever made. Yes, he made it hammer fired, but if that made you nostalgic, look at the bolts of every subgun made until the 90's, they all look the same save for the HK stuff with their kraut magic.

@harleythorson7511

3 ай бұрын

A grease gun in the 90s issued sir your full of shit

@mikeblair2594

3 ай бұрын

@@mattnsac I wouldn't call it magic. Cursed monkey paw maybe, but magic, never.

Holy shit I've never been this early to a Markserbu video

@mikeblair2594

3 ай бұрын

Me neither, but we can always try.

This offers a fantastic behind-the-scenes look at gun design.

After buying the CP33 I could never understand why they didn't make the same quad-stack gun but in 9mm. Glad someone is doing it.

Please bring this project to life!!!!!!

They’re flagging each other more than a football game 😂

Neat. Quad stack in .30 Super Carry is an awesome idea. So is 9mm quad stack compatibility with Scorpion mags. A lot to like about this. Good job, Mr. Obermeit!

It's simple but really cool. Those boxy mags are very aesthetically pleasing as well. 11:03-11:11 Mark talks about his dreams.

“Mister President, we must not allow a TEC-9 gap!” - Gen. 'Buck' Turgidson

I know you have an indoor range, but seeing you shoot in your shop always cracks me up. It looks like you're randomly shooting walls and crap in the shop.

@DB-yj3qc

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, Mark can safely "do a desk pop" with one of the 50 cal. made there.

@joshshepherd5660

3 ай бұрын

Honestly...If I could live out my dream of just having a big shop full of all the requisite tooling needed to be a mad scientist of pew, I would like to think i would find a way to be able to shoot at, at a bare minimum of two walls, an area of the ceiling and of course down at a basement area. All without damaging anything of course, not even mouthy, two legged creatures! Lol very happy for Mr. Serbu.

Tec 9 with a Spectre magazine. AND hammer fired? Even the oddball. 30 Super Carry makes this a neat project. I feel like it's the descendant of Doc Savage's Super Firer.

Oh, in the words of Paris Hilton in the 00's, "That's Hawt."

@mikeblair2594

3 ай бұрын

Oh god, did you have to remind me that that woman exists? I'd forgot that it ever existed and now I'm gonna have obnoxious nightmares for a week or two. Thanx

I've been hoping that someone would refresh and bring back the tec-9 or something similar. Always loved the aesthetic.

The millisecond I started watching this I could see the wheels spinning in every viewers head on how to make it go FAST.

Gotta love 30 super carry. That's an excellent mag for having 50rds. Looks like a 20rd mag or 30 at the most. Appears to be a little shorter than a 32rd Glock magazine. I know a lot of people criticize 30SC, but I think it's a good round and hope to own one myself.

Mark serbu "first 30 super carry pistol caliber carbine"...hi-point holding one of their currently available 3095ts carbines-"the fuck it is!"

Great work Toby! I want one! I just got a BFG-50 a couple weeks ago, that thing is awesome!

Neat piece, love the tec-9 aesthetic. I've been a skeptic of 30 super carry but 50 rounds in a mag that size is pretty impressive. Throw a brace on that thing and it'd probably be a fun little range toy. I wish Mark went into how the recoil felt compared to the 9mm conversion. Hope a manufacturer sees the potential and puts it in production. Looks like something I'd throw some bids on gunbroker after a few drinks and subsequently have a credit card charge that needs to be explained to the Mrs.

That looks awesome! All it needs now is a stock and a giggle switch.

This makes me happy. I love all of the TEC pistols and have a hand full of them. but I'm very sad to see no one making any. Now I have some kinda hope about seeing some cool pistols.

A name for the new pistol: The "Tec-X; Multicaliber Pistol"

That thing could be a beast! Something about it in .30 sc screams private security . I hope it gets a manufacturer worthy of the design potential and many buyers.

I just saw a set of TEC-9’s at a pawn shop 2 weeks ago that came with a home made shoulder holster that held both and an extra mag! Crazy stuff with you’re version,very cool

I'd buy one of these with a 16" 9mm with a long handguard. I hate it when companies make a pistol into a rifle by exclusively increasing barrel length without extending the handguard to match

You deserve to have over a million subscribers by now. Idk what’s goin on. You’re the Supreme Kai of independent gun design, building, fabrication, making your own, and a genius at making your own firearms business. There’s very few men/engineers of your caliber out there, that aren’t wasting their time on Space. Hmm maybe attempt a gun that could work in space for the Space Force contract! 🖕🏿 Sig 🤣

i was going down my YT feed when I seen this cursed bastard and paused.. and had to think of how my life choices lead to me seeing this goddam monster of a gun 💀

I wish KZread would allow more educational content like marks to go further. This is really cool stuff and makes engineering and science fun. It's also very old knowledge at this point.

Just take my money please

I hope the 30 Super Carry catches on I really think it has some potential.

I have wondered for years why Kel Tec never came out with a modern Tec-9. Such an iconic gun.

You created the Tec-9 from GTA5 in real life

perhaps he can change the barrel bolts and pins to run horizontally so you dont have to remove the rail to change barrels

This is the best iteration / variant of the tech-9 great work!!

I would take one in 9. The mag compatibility was a great feature

I have a suggestion, if the length of the bolt will allow. The bottom of the bolt should be cut to an f/a cut AR-15 bolt carrier group pattern and modify the lower to be compatible with AR-15 triggers. If those modifications were possible that would make it much more marketable.

@TobiasArmsLLC

3 ай бұрын

AR15 triggers are THICK. as in tall. it would raise the bore which is not good for recoil, etc. This low profile trigger mechanism fits MUCH better. sol Invictus arms tried that with the TAC-9.... i did not end well.

Mark, I have a dad joke for you. What do you call a group of two crows? An attempted murder.

@Paladin327

3 ай бұрын

I once saw two crows yapping at each other from both sodes of a parking lot. I bet they were plotting a murder

Honestly, this needs to be picked up by someone for manufacturing

👌🏼thanks for showing mark and Toby. Can’t believe it’s taken KZread over 20 hours to notify me 😂 I’ve been waiting day and night for Serbu notifications!

Nice simple design, would be awesome SBR'd with a stock and FA availability.

🤣@6:53 that "your problem" made me laugh🤣

@zendell37

3 ай бұрын

It's pretty true, though. And a funny way to put it. Some designers are dead set on certain things and some designs can't have certain things changed without major changes.

Very nice. Need to repeal the Hughes Amendment!

It clearly needs further development , refinement, and streamlining but he’s on the right path definitely. Suggestions include but not limited to: 1) A new and worthwhile BRACE. 2) Better material or style of hand guard for heat dissipation when shooting with an ungloved hand. 3) A fancy great trigger like an ALG. 4) 1/2x28 barrel threading for a suppressor and maybe come with a tri lug adapter. 5) An excellent cerakote finish for longevity. 6) 35 round standard magazine to be on par with with competition. 7) Longer picatinny rail for red dot and worthwhile iron sights. I was looking at the Beretta PMX and those magazine are expensive and they bought the rights for the original Tec-9. He’s got something good he just needs to go to the drawing board with someone who has some manufacturing might behind them. I would even argue to see if this could be scaled up for rifle calibers

How about........ .25 super carry? That's what I been looking for.....

@life_of_riley88

3 ай бұрын

Yes! Or .25 Magnum or whatever you'd want to call it.

SECOND

A full auto pistol in .30 super carry would be a blast. For the nest iteration, take a good look at the Spectre M4.

With a folding triangle stock this thing would kick even more ass

0:09 that’s my ring tone. This just ruined my brain for a second

It look's like a ton of fun I really hope it goes into production 🙏🏻

Tell him his print settings are immaculate.

just found about 30 super carry 8 months ago and i love the numbers as compared to other similar carry rounds such as 380 32 and 9m it excells at everything and gives more capacity. a tec9 in 30 super carry i have a tec nine pre ban from 1984 and it is fun . good job guys

Super cool video. Thanks for sharing!

I remember the original TEC 9 in the early 90s. Every once in while I still come across one. This guy has an interesting idea with this version and I’d be a potential customer

Well this looks like fun. For a time the TEC-9 was one of my favorite plinking guns. Mine always ran everything I put in it perfectly. They just need a little bit of tuning to remain extremely reliable. Factory magazines are important, and using the magazine as a grip will cause a malfunction. The most critical element is the extractor. It's retained by a set screw, and must be set at exactly the right spot to firmly retain the empty case for ejection. This is very easily accomplish by setting it to the rim of a cartridge. It's also important to make sure the claw is sharp and square and it has good tension. Recoil and striker springs need to be replaced every several thousand rounds. This is often overlooked generally. With factory magazines, good springs, and a properly adjusted extractor it should be monotonously reliable. It also helps to have decent sights. I put an M1 Carbine rear sight on mine and made an Uzi style front sight that bolts in the shroud. It actually delivers excellent accuracy once it shoots to the sights. Pretty miserable long squishy heavy trigger, but it can be managed.

@jediknight1294

3 ай бұрын

I found the same especially running smg spec 9mm

Great video review. Thanks. 👍😎

Finally, someone is updating the tec-9. Hopefully to something more durable and reliable. I like it! Let us know if he finds a manufacturer to produce it.

As a gun enthusiastic with a MS and BS in Mechanical engineering, I too, watched through the breakdown and barrel swap portion with fascination and no skip.

This thing looks like something I'd draw when I was a kid I love the tec 9 style of guns

So cool. Not exactly what I was thinking for 30sc subguns (my thought was scaled down guns) but likely a better take on things. Thanks for bringing us this.

@TobiasArmsLLC

3 ай бұрын

The power of the round is nearly identical to 9mm. So you will not see a scaling down of the guns.... ONLY the magazines (or increase in capacity). you still need the same mechanisms/weights as any other 9mm to function well.

That's Awesome! I have a Tec-9 & I really like your new that take on it.

hope to see the design on the odd sea soon! that thing is sweet looking.

Ha! “Make me a hinge.” Cool Schindler reference!

What a neat piece. I really like that rebirth of the coffin ⚰️ mag. Lots of capacity in a small footprint. Great stuff.

What a nice piece to add to the collection!

Proof that the original American Made Iconic Tec-9 is still the dopest assault pistol ever made.

I couldn't focus on the video because I was too busy looking for demonic sigils. Only dark magic could conjure a SECOND nerd that quickly!! In all seriousness, great job on the video boys! She's a beautiful little pistol. And yea people smack talk Kel-Tec, but i have a good feeling those same people never shot one... nor do they go shooting in places that might ruin their fancy EDC with all the expensive junk stuck on it. I mean shit, you wouldn't wear a tuxedo to go mudding. That doesn't mean you won't ever play in the mud!! Cheap guns deserve love too!

You had me at interesting! Now take my money!!

I was like "This is Airsoft right?" As he was showing real bullets, brain could not process the sight of that many bullets in a Tec 9

That is so cool, 30 super just added a whole new level of awesome to it, I wish I could buy this in my local. In full auto that thing would be beautiful to shoot even though its a blowback.

I had one back in the early 90’s before the ban. It had two 30 round magazines. It was stolen. The mags when loaded past 20 would fail to feed. Now that there’s a drum I may replace it. Or build it better. Balanced.

That Schindler's List clip was perfectly placed. LOL. That pistol design is for 30SC. Personally I think 30SC was dead on arrival but maybe projects like this will turn things around for the cartridge.

Verry nice! Keep up the great work guys!

This definitely looks like a great idea! I hope someone get it into production.

Great new Pistol!!! Thanks for sharing it and it's creator, Mark. Yes, if you live in an NFA State, SBR this sweet thing.

Amazing video would love to see it move into production.

Loved the conversation on 25% speed where it was sped up.