It really sucks that this cyberpunk element of life outside of major armies has been erased from most of 40K. This and the Rogue Trader ship captains are the most endearing part of 40k originally.

Imaging being those space marines, seeing something coming through the smoke, and a bunch of gretchins pop up, screaming and missing every shot. hilarious lmao

@mobilegamersunite

2 жыл бұрын

Gretchins should give a -1 to hit from laughter 😂

Hels yeah, like a postapocalyptic Brigadoon, Logan’s World briefly emerges from the storm

Brings back memories. Winning a competition in White Dwarf and waiting four weeks for the rulebook to arrive in Ireland from England! First game with my best friend used standees from the Judge Dredd RPG. It was a scene out of Die Hard. Turn one, Judges pull up in Pat Wagon expecting to lay down the law, not realising the gang has a missile launcher! One shot later the two Judges (out of the entire squad) that managed to make their ejection system saves (we had specced it as having one) retreated off the board. Fastest game ever but such fun.

Come for the gaming, stay for the Zardoz diaper

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

2 жыл бұрын

The Gun is Good!

People say that old TT games were more like RPGs almost dismissively, but this looks like you had loads more fun than any modern game of 40k I've seen played.

I have so many fond memories of RT and I've been gearing up to run it again this year. I was an avid player through maybe 4th or 5th edition but I don't really enjoy the newer "reroll 1's, reroll 6's, my circle of troops attacks your circle of troops" gameplay. The earlier game was about creating an interesting narrative first. It's still a ton of fun and it's easy enough to pare down the clunky bits you don't like. We always laughed during and after the game and rarely got salty over the results.

@ironbomb6753

2 жыл бұрын

You are not wrong about the "reroll ones" in these newer editions. I do like the limited command point reroll rules tho

I've never witnessed Rogue Trader. Thank you for these blasts into the past! ❤

Oh man! Brings back memories. Realy love Roguetrader, it was so much more eventfull in that things could go in different directions. More like Necromunda actually. But ... one of the worst rules ever, must be "Following Fire". I remember we (in my playing group) argued about homebrewing some sort of alternative instead, like multishots. Then 2nd edition came out. There where many small rules you could use, that where fun. Like ... * hidden movement (needed a GM though to be functional, and the rules was a bit clunky also, but interresting). * Dual wielding pistols shooting (you could use two pistols and shoot both, but got -1 BS on both). * Extended range on most balistic and energy weapons (you could try shooting targets further then the stated long range, but it became harder). I Think you missed one or two rules! In the charge, the charged models may choose a response action, like fall back, or stand and fire (or something like that). Or do I remember it wrong? And dont "slow" on weapons mean that you cant move and shoot in the same turn? And I think Heavy Bolter is slow (and also Heavy Stubber), Im not sure though. Suspensors are only to take away the move penalty for heavy weapons (I think). Hard to remember correctly. It was even hard understand some rules, so there where many rules we used to play wrongly, for years untill some one re-read the rules in detail and suddenly realised wheve done it wrong all time. Cheers.

i would love to see a lot more rouge trader stuff

Wonderful game! The epitome of what I personally enjoy the most in the hobby - two good friends, having fun and making up cool and fun stories as they go along playing a great game. And I'm so happy to see Chris back on the channel!

17:14 I'm guessing that the truck contains an Ambull; maybe part of the Planetary Gubernatorial Menagerie. 29:13 What do I espy beside the dice tray? 30:20 "I'm Initiative 3; because I've got a Cabbage Head" 😂 Moments later, the Space Marine Scout makes Coleslaw. The Grot Gunline advancing under a pall of smoke and an inaccurate hail of nails and gravel is such a great image.

Brilliant! I have to say that was a lot more fun to watch than modern 40K games - I know, apples to oranges and a lot of nostalgia bias in that statement. Anyhoo, seriously happy memories from 30 plus years ago - so many yoghurt pots, polystyrene packing bits and random broken electrical devices were sacrificed to my terrible terrain building skills back then - I was a one man recycling demon.

Yes! Rogue Trader, my introduction to miniature wargaming 1987!

I wish, for fun and profit, GW would put out a rulebook like this that uses their modern range and some of the modern lore. But like, a wackier, freer, more inventive alternative version of the 40K universe, the way Blood Bowl is to Warhammer Fantasy. A child born from Rogue Trader and the 40K universe of the last 10 years.

@il_solitario55

2 жыл бұрын

That would be great but it'll never happen, not under current management anyway. Comrade Commissar Mr CEO doesn't want GW fans having actual fun. We all have to be equally miserable for the "greater good" of profiteering and lining the suits' pockets. Any more vain imaginings of creativity and enjoyment coming from Games Wokeshop and Mr CEO will send the internet goons round to have a little chat about your seditious wrong-think.

@itsallfunandgames723

2 жыл бұрын

@@il_solitario55 : Yeah, GW not trying a fun idea just means it's a day ending in y!

We were not wrong to love this game back in 1987. Yeah, it's a bit fiddly but it was fun!

@ironbomb6753

2 жыл бұрын

I think the fiddlyness is part of what made this game so fun. This game hooked me so hard.

Oh man, following fire... great days.

Never played 40K (but have collected and painted 40K minis) so I don't have the nostalgia pull but still really enjoyed this vid. With the narrative, rpg like feel it seems almost closer to Stargrave than modern 40K with big armies.

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

2 жыл бұрын

Which was why we used RT models for Stargrave!

I so much prefer to watch Rogue Trader battle over newer versions. for me, there is something just so much more fun about it.

I find it hugely ironic how today GW ruthlessly prosecutes anyone creating anything that even remotely looks like their IP, yet got their start with models like "not Zardoz" and "not Mad Max". Super fun trip down nostalgia lane though. I just love the narrative quality this game had. I got my start on that green flock mat but it disappeared many moves ago. I can't say I have played anything from this original Rogue trader book in at least 30 years. I sold my entire Rogue trader collection when I went to college and picked up WFB and then 40k again in 4th ed.

Lichen! Nice touch.

Shuriken pistols first appeared in White Dwarf. I cut out the addendum and pasted it into my copy of RT as a side bar.

Love the adventurer/pirate models. I had (and still have) the Bandit (RT601) armed with a web pistol.

It's so cool to see oldhammer stuff.

It's got all the language of Necromunda but different, like watching an English movie with English subtitles.

Still play RT at our club. Lots of fun!

Great fun. I was about to say that my favourite GW Game, Inquisitor, is the modern reincarnation of Rogue Trader, but it is now 20 years old too!

Ah, good old Rouge Trader. 72” range on a Missile Launcher, paying the extra points to make the guys veterans to not have to worry about coherency. Back when my Genstealers had multiple wounds. Good times.

One of the cool things about ROgue Trader was the diy vehicle rules - so we would kitbash old Zoids and stuff. Would be cool to see some crazy vehicles in a battle. The off table support is pretty unique too. Lastly would be cool to see a report on a Deaeth World where 2 armies fight on a planet as random monsters attack all and sundry.

Great to see this game! Pointless trivia, the lady with the heavy stubber is named Lorretta

Beautiful! Great to see the game played and great to see Chris and his Orks!

I thought I was the only one who still had those old space goblins!! What fun to see those old minis out on the table playing 40k Rogue Trader.

you can use wd108 for wounds of what happens to troops after the battle. good if you want to create a campaign. the space marine scouts you are using are from Advanced Space Crusade which you may already know. great game.

To be very honest my favorite addition!

Hey gents, great video! There really is not nearly enough Rogue Trader stuff online it makes me really happy to see. I don't know if this is something you're interesting in at all but I'm making sort-of a Rogue Trader community update at the moment, where I'm writing the rules a but more concisely and clarifying some things that may have caused confusion. It's still a work in progress, but I'm around 115 pages in and have a core rules document you can look at if you'd like to take a look. Let me know and I'm looking forward to seeing more RT!

Love Rogue Trader! So much more interesting than just lining up two armies across the board and hammering away at each other. Thanks for the flashback.

Funny, one of those mats just popped-up on Facebook today. :)

Oh my God, I love it Ash. This makes me miss this game. Just the wackiness and the 80's metal/punk style of it all. Also... RIP AND TEAR UNTIL IT IS DONE!

”If it’z green an orky, don’t shoot it. If it’z green an gretchin’, only shoot if it cheekz ya. If it ain’t green, it’z fair game” - Some early White Dwarf article on Orkz.

Weird, I always assumed rogue trader was unplayable but that looked really fun.

@ogremark5

2 жыл бұрын

You are thinking of 1st edition D&D. Early Warhammer and 40k were free wheeling and highly playable.

Excellent, Rogue Trader when narative and fun were seen as more important than winning

Catching up on things I missed, and what fun this was. Many moons ago in a time long gone and almost forgotten, a similar scene unfolded on a barren fungal world which resembled green carpet with plaster ruins ..

What an awesome battle report! It really encapsulates the feel of Rogue Trader with zany shenanigans, an almost RPG quality and huge amounts of fun to watch! I'd love to see a full campaign of classic Rogue Trader with you guys as it's been the most entertaining report you've done since Warhammer Quest and the exploits of Astro and co!

What great fun to watch!

This put a smile on my face, thanks Ash and Chris

Super cool nostalgia!

Loving this retrospective, the older editions of 40K look pretty fun :)

Thanks! What an amazing presentation!

Shame that Ambull never made it out of the truck... ;)

So glad to see this.

a blast from the past. i have that rogue trader book. Amazing to see this. Thanks for making this happen.

God I love OG Rogue Trader. So much more offbeat character than modern 40K.

awesome scenario! really fun video!

This is definitely my favourite of your battle reports. Really good fun. Thanks for pointing us towards Rules Explained, also! It was really nice to have a pretty detailed grounding in the rules before watching the battle report :)

This was fantastic to watch! I've never seen Rogue Trader played before

This was so awesome great game guys

Oh man, I forgot my PE kit... I hope the teacher doesn't make me scale the rope...

Looking forward to another battle tech upload soon!

What great memories you guys brought back. I too have most of those figures, so awesome! I never knew there was a RT era game mat available. Very excellent, 👍 Excellent channel by the way. It's why I subbed. Cool.

Still an amazing ruleset to this day. I've played maybe a dozen games of RT over the past year. Its still a lot of fun and leaves a lot of contemporary games in the dust. Its definitely a relic of it's age though. A game from a time when tabletop wasn't so concerned with streamlining everything in the vain hope of making it mainstream. Is it unwieldy and imbalanced? Yes. Is it a lot of fun? Definitely. If you play it with a GM and use the random event tables etc its a blast.

Totally awesome!

Just gorgeous

God almighty I love this video. Side note, now I have to buy more old. Models THANKS.

This terrain is ace

I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS VID!!!!!

I wish I could find my miniatures from the day, they must have been thrown out by family decades ago. At least I still have the book!

Cool setting and story:)

Pity there was only two of you; would be interesting to see the impact having a third party GM would have on the game. GM would also allow for surprises to be thrown at you guys within the scenarios. Looking forward to seeing how your narrative campaign continues though. 🙂

@ironbomb6753

2 жыл бұрын

That would be so cool to see!

Great video, guys. I played one game of this in 1995. I wish I had a better memory of it. To me, this game seems more like Necromunda of Crusade 9th edition. It sort of confirms my anticompetitive instincts about 40k, that it's actually closer to an RPG than most people seem to think these days.

I came into WH40K right after RT. Looks like loads of fun. The going price for this rulebook is insane!

Pretty sure Heavy Bolters had the Slow rule, so you can't move and shoot. Suspensors only offset the penalty to moving while carrying Heavy Weapons, typically 1/2/" movement penalty. I may be remembering wrong, though, it's been a while since I played RT 40K!

excellent

and just like that I'm back on the floor of Brett Myers bedroom with my "white scars" trying to look like storm troopers with their AMAZING paint job LOL and his little brother blasting Def Leppard as we duked it out for supremacy of the balled up Tube socks and empty soda cans that were the imperial settlement on the far flung reaches of Rogue Trader! I would love to get my Grubby meat paws on a box of the original beaky boys in that first box set

Excllent game. I've never played a game just rolling up random guys, as everyone had eitherr the marine box or ork raiders early in and used the typical squad builds from the armies in the book. I'm pretty sure that once you split up a squad, then the unit without the leader can't just be played as a small squad. You normally had to give then specific written orders and the GM then controlled them based on that.

Cracking!

Man, there's just something about old Rogue Trader minis. They have the same charm as an old 80s cartoon. Also, where did you get the sweet sci-fi truck? I wouldn't mind getting one for Stargrave or Reality's Edge.

@evanlindsey1100

2 жыл бұрын

Seconding the truck. It's awesome.

Bringing back some positive memories. Although Ash I think you forgot to take a couple of rout tests for your guard death and techno barbarian death. May have impacted result, but this game was really more about the event itself anyway. Thinking about digging out my old RT era minis to see what I can make....

Ah, memories. Those blast templates. Heh

Hell yeah RT!

I always liked RT it's been decades since i played it Thanks for bring back good memories ya zoggers.

Damn Chris, you're like half the Chris from the last time on the show, I hope that's a good thing. It's awesome to see you guy having fun with a passion project.

@TheJankmaster

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure it is by design...lifestyle changes going well.Grot action plan..not so much. :)

All this was missing was a speeder made from a deodorant stick.

Would love some closeups of the minis. Cool game. I like it.

@Nicklas_Danielsson

2 жыл бұрын

The orcs. How do they look

A weird message meant just for ash: greying suits you so well. Been watching you for years and you keep getting handsomer!

Timely :P

Still the best...

Giving me flashbacks. I still have a couple of my Chaos Warriors from way back then, back when you rolled on a chart to see what kind of mutation your warrior had. COuld be good like extra arms or spiked tail or bad like a pin head or an atrophied limb. Good times.

Cool blast from the past, but flak & mesh armour? I don't recall any rule about layering armour?

Glad to see the beard is back, new year new beard 😜

turn 3 scout heavy bolter fire missed grot next to truck and you forgot to roll vs truck exploding...whup...nope their is the roll .

Blast to the past, but why no heroic champion Gretchin?

Why does your measure stick look like a VHS tape?

Chris is looking great, lost some weight didn't he?

What with the current popularity of narrative skirmish wargames, RT seems like a game for our time! Quick, someone re-release it with a solo mode and see if anyone notices!