1987 - Build it yourself 2023 - Build it yourself - and we'll sue you

@toyznthehood

11 ай бұрын

It's certainly a very different approach nowadays. I miss the old Citadel How to make terrain book. that was an incredible game aid

@Warmaker01

4 ай бұрын

Even within Rogue Trader era there were rule sets for added vehicles like the Land Raider & Rhino. Official kits did come out but those were rare. So players were fine with getting model kits to kitbash, substitute for 40k stuff. Me and my friends used stuff like 1/35 M113 armored personnel carriers for Rhinos. Predators? Soviet BMP series and M2 / M3 Bradleys. Nobody batted an eye. GW started to have better, fancier vehicle kits in 2nd and 3rd edition. The vehicles in the early days were pretty mediocre compared to what regular model makers were doing. I stopped playing around the mid-90s, 2nd edition era. Even though I stopped I still dip into the hobby and look at what's going on. I remember being impressed by seeing those official Eldar vehicles, especially those tanks.

The Rick Priestley autograph makes that book awesome.

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty pleased with it :)

I had the hardcover copy of this. I wish, I had kept all my RPG stuff from the 80s.

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

The hardcover was lovely! I seem to be rebuilding my RPG collection nowadays. Lockdown helped :)

@ArkadiBolschek

Жыл бұрын

A friend of mine had it in softcover. Until the dog ate it ^^u

@Doomer1984

11 ай бұрын

Me too! 😢 Lying in a landfill now

@darrentaylor8791

4 ай бұрын

Still got mine and a landraider first release which I upgraded with modern laser cannons

I still have the hardcover edition of this, bought back when it first came out. Such a good book.

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

It's lovely - so ahead of it's time

This is my STC.

I was very fond of the early WH40k Rogue Trader era. It was a lot more free form and far less dogmatic that the hobby became as time has gone on. For goodness sake there's several depictions of Ultramarines in this rulebook alone in camouflage schemes, like tiger stripes. In modern 40k they're plain jane, vanilla, unimaginative by the book types.

@toyznthehood

4 ай бұрын

Agreed! Marines do feel a lot more like genuine soldiers who prepare for battles rather than super-heroes who just walk in

Jeez, the level of horror! The satire was just all there at the start! I really need to acquire a hardcover copy from eBay some time in the future when I remember to.

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

They sell the hardcover in Warhammer World - but you have to actually go there. Which sounds like a pretty good excuse :)

@PunishedVenomDrake

Жыл бұрын

@@toyznthehood Ach! If only I had the money to spend! Emperor's favor be with me!

That assissin with a mando helmet 😂

@toyznthehood

11 ай бұрын

I love the navigator helmet - it's like an anime motorcycle helmet

There was a lot of roleplaying in Rogue Trader

@toyznthehood

11 ай бұрын

it's so different from how it is today. I almost struggle to call it a war-game!

juicy content for latecomers like me, thanks

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

All this talk about meaning of original names got me really nostalgic so I had to do it :)

Wow! I started Warhammer ~1993 and this really added context I missed way back then. Thanks for the great video. Just watched some of your others on your first White Dwarf etc

@toyznthehood

11 ай бұрын

Awesome! Glad you're enjoying them, there's lots more to come :) it is incredibly going back to stuff after 30 odd years especially when you're a teenager the first time

I still got a bolt thrower metal band tshirt with the rogue trader cover art on.still the best warhammer themed music.Also check out a 80s comic called nemesis the warlock,literally 90% of the rogue trader lore is copy/pasted from it.A spiritually undying god emperor who crusades to destroy all aliens,his bodyguard are terminators,they have forgot how to create tech and have tech-priest to maintain their fleets and war titans.thats just what i remember from over a decade ago

@toyznthehood

11 ай бұрын

You are absolutely right about Nemesis! I made a video on it I think you'll like - kzread.info/dash/bejne/gpOuycVpgrvdf7A.html Things GW stole off 2000ad :)

Love the lore bits that connect war-hammer to real world novelists :)

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

There's such a range of them too - lots of sci-fi references but then also lots of older poets and other works

When my original copy started falling apart I ripped out all the rest of the pages, 3-hole punched them and stuck them in a binder. I've still got it, packed away in a box somewhere. One of these days, I'm going to scan all of them.

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

I think a lot of Rogue Trader's ended up that way :)

nice video mate, earned a sub, going back to what yt should be about, a bloke talking passionately about whatever he feels like filming

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

A torn apart copy in my college gaming club got me into the life. As a Warhammer KZreadr, good luck on your channel.

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! I'll take a look at your channel. My first copy also ended up in ruins - it ended up being hole punched and kept in a folder

Remember photocopying the orcs and marines chits to play. Man I’m old.

@toyznthehood

11 ай бұрын

My first copy just fell apart so there was no need!

Great vid, RT is just classic with a sprinkling of silly and fun

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! It's an incredible book - really nails the satire and just keeps giving

I actually found my version of this book in an old box in my attic. I completely forgot I ever had it. In perfect condition. The thing that stood out to me was the inclusion of dinosaurs 🤣. I started the hobby in 1987.

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Was it Rogue Trader that got you into the hobby? I'm writing my next video about the White Dwarf that got me into it :)

@martinhodgson1996

Жыл бұрын

@@toyznthehood Originally my first memories of it in the 80's was becoming aware of the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings as a book. I somehow acquired I think through a friend some early Warhammer fantasy dwarfs. That I played with as hobbit characters. I was like 7- 8 years old at the time. Eventually in 1990 I got space crusade, space hulk. I certainly remember the 30 duck helmed space marine box set you mention in your video. 30 mini's all the same pose 😂. I had the orcs too. But my favourite stuff was the very early leopard striped imperial guard. I even had the very first imperial guard rough riders. Which looked like cops from RoboCop on horses. My first 40K mini I bought was the metal terminator librarian and another terminator might have been a captain or chaplain. Really early days 1989.

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

@@martinhodgson1996 I love the early rough riders!

Mk.6 power armor would be my favoritest look of the Space Marines, because it was the first one really and that was the beginning of Warhammer 40,000. I collected bits, especially beaked helmets in very large quantities ... And then the Games Workshop ruined everything: Mk.6 is now the Horse Heresy, not Warhammer anymore.

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

It is a shame they've moved on so much. I do like the look of Primaris armour but it would be nice to see more old armour

@adamduffield7782

11 ай бұрын

Horus heresy marines can still be used in 40k alot of it would be considered relic armor in the latest 40k rules,

The symbols on the first pages are all chapter symbols... The Orky looking one is the Flesh Eaters chapter.

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! it did seem odd if they weren't Marines. but then a lot has changed in the last 35 years!

@deangoldsmith3967

Жыл бұрын

@@toyznthehood No worries! I knew that 'cos Flesh Eaters were my chapter! lol

Crimson fists for the win!

I've still got mine

Bouncers might also be from The Prisoner? :) I've heard this book is more freeform with the campaign system, easier to mix troop types and just have excuses for skirmishes. It's been so long since I've had that book in front of me I've plain forgotten so much of it

@toyznthehood

11 ай бұрын

That's a good idea! I've been doing a bit of research for a video just on Rogue Trader Creatures and I think it's Dark Star as the colours of the creature are the same. But the Prisoner does sound rather familiar to it too. I am not a number!

@nutherefurlong

11 ай бұрын

@@toyznthehood Oh, of course. You must be right, I thought of "bouncer" as in someone who throws people out of taverns, but if it looks (and bounces) like the creature from Dark Star that must be it.

Brilliant video.

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm glad you liked it - I have more :)

@samir.221b

Жыл бұрын

@@toyznthehood Oh yes, Im subbed now so will definitely be staying tuned. Thanks again and keep it up! I got into 40k way back in 3rd around 1999 as a child so have a soft spot for everything oldhammer. Such a treat to get a tour of RT.

Never realized they did a paperback version. I've got the original hardback, partially paid for by a competition win. £10 off the purchase price used at the original Games Workshop in Leeds.

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! I'm the other way - it was years after owning the softcover version (or by then the loose sheets of paper!) that I discovered the hardback. They actually sell it in Warhammer World if you ever need a spare!

Just a heads up the open shark maw is the Flesh Eaters chapter Sigil second founding.

@toyznthehood

11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Those four stats still live in Necromunda.

@toyznthehood

8 ай бұрын

Neat! I've not played the latest Necromunda but I'm glad to hear they're still around

great overview! i'm interested to know why you can't stand random events happening?

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

When I played when i was younger one of my friends with a historical wargaming background would often come up with scenarios for us to play - they almost always seemed to involve random things that would always work against me. We sometimes play with is dad and he's the same! They always end up targeting me! That's it really :)

@filthybrown

Жыл бұрын

@@toyznthehood Haha fair enough. Sounds like you were playing with power gamers! If used fairly I find random events add a real sense of a living world, increasing immersion and making the game more dynamic and exciting, each to their own though of course!

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

@@filthybrown They certainly are :) The way you use it sounds more fun!

The orks look scarier in this.

@toyznthehood

11 ай бұрын

They do look a lot creepier. it's interesting how they've changed

@jeffjeffson5967

11 ай бұрын

@@toyznthehood Yeah.

What's so surprising is how little lore is in there.

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

If you're just going off my review then I've not been able to cover it all as I wanted to keep it manageable! Rogue Trader forms the basis of a lot of stuff - for example the little quote by the Tyrant of Badab ("the big guns never tire") goes on to create two massive Imperial Armour books by Forgeworld.

@YoJimBoHugabaJoe

11 ай бұрын

white dwarf used to add most of the lore back then

It had more style back then. More 2000ad or dark future less ancient Rome.

@toyznthehood

11 ай бұрын

I wish it could have balanced them both - the ancient Rome side is great but there's something edgier about the 2000ad side

Where did it all go wrong!🥵

Weapon skill table didn’t disappear until around 8th not 2nd

@toyznthehood

8 ай бұрын

That's a good point. I believe it wasn't in second edition but came back in third

7:06

Any high res scans of the entire book??

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

Not from me I'm afraid. but you're welcome to pause on the pages you're interested in :)

Rogue trader plus 2nd ed and the original chapter approved book, are the only rules I use. everything from 3rd ed to present is useless!

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see the Chapter Approved book - I think that's one of the only ones I've never set eyes on

@bruced648

Жыл бұрын

@toyznthehood the reason I stopped playing with versions past 2nd ed was simple. GW made the decision to remove the ability of players to make thier own characters. from 3rd ed to present, you can only use the pre-made characters that they have developed for the game. if you look at pg 58 of rogue trader, the basic characteristics can be designed by the player. thus, you can make your own heroes. you can even establish an experience award system that allows the character to improve over time. this gave way too much freedom of decision making to the players and GW put a stop to it. with 2nd ed, player creativity was removed. they did clean up some of the games flaws, but you could no longer make your own units. personally, I despise the IGYG format. for decades, I've played an alternating activation game mechanics with considered simultaneous damage. as a tactical game, it plays much better. since we play smaller forces (cmdr, 1 or 2 -10 man squads, and maybe a support weapon or vehicle), it's story and objective play, not points earned for victory. it also means the model count is lower, so every troop lost is important. at the end of the mission, points are awarded. these can be used to improve characteristics of the survivors. after a few missions, the survivors start to stand out and how they get played really matters. as I've posted many times 'GW is the reason I don't play GW games'.

@toyznthehood

Жыл бұрын

@@bruced648 That's a really good point. You did get a bit more scope for a few editions when you had wargear lists but that level of customisation has now pretty much disappeared too :(

@matthewurquhart5495

Жыл бұрын

@@bruced648 That's basically how Dungeons & Dragons formed out of the Chainmail rules. Things are always better and more free-form before corporate greed takes hold.

I’m reading along with you 😊

@toyznthehood

8 ай бұрын

Awesome! Twice the 40k :)