I dun buy equipment that needs you to settle your own power supply. Imagine your streamer, dac, etc all need you to buy your own audiophile power supplies - there will be no end. That is why I dun like equipment that gives you a cheap smps and expects you to solve your own problem. A good power supply is known to be crucial to the sound of a digital device and should be part of the solution.

@gioponti6359

6 ай бұрын

Then again i appreciate the possibility to upgrade. Think of blue sound note… or even a chord dave for which a 3rd party psu exists that raises the device to another level. Some say.

Never heard of Exasound before your video. Quite remarkable equipment. Thanks.

Excellent sound even from the demo. 😮

Love the look of the thing.

I won't forget the upgrade from an Innuos Zen Mini Mk3 to a Zenith Mk3. Never thought the sound could improve that drastically from an already good streamer

Very informative review, love to hear the info right from the designer! I know you have a lot of different equipment there, does it take just high end matching equipment for this to make sense, or can you hear a big improvement if you pair this with more budget friendly amps and speakers? I know it wouldn't make sense to pair an 8K streamer with a 2K amp and speakers, but would the improvements over a 1K dac be evident?

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Yup, you will hear it right away with any gear. The only difference is how much of a difference.

“It’s not the count of the clocks it’s how you use them” - that’s what she said

Really cool product not in my reality. I am one of those tinkerers that will work on something in Linux because it is fun, and build my own. $7500.00 is no where Ville for me. I am kind of the polar opposite of where high end lives, and I make no apologies for it. For me Ultra expensive High End had sailed for me long ago. It is about not tapping my life savings for one bitchin piece. I have to much to live for and enjoy instead of worrying about the high end high price that I don't want to do again. For sure I keep up, and are aware of the products. Your channel figures prominently in that knowledge. I think you are a great guy Thomas in a reality too far apart from mine. But the high end products still give me ideas though, and optimizing in my reality is far more enjoyable than somebody else's. Good review as always Thomas.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Thanks, I try to be diverse, I talk about affordable and high end gear without judgement. It is just HIFI and I am blessed to be given the opportunity to try everything.

Good review Thomas and thank you for introducing a high-end DAC which although I will not consider buying, but nice to know it is out there. I personally would be content to get something like the Cambridge Audio Azur 851D if Cambridge decides to reintroduce the line, or a brand new unit in a sealed box....it is just a pretty good DAC unit even by today's standard.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I had it for a while the 851D

@akispapasavvas9307

6 ай бұрын

​@ThomasAndStereo and @a29h17 - The 851 D is identical DAC to 851N. For 100 $ more, you get a streamer and a DAC. I had both at some time, and I was comparing to find which sounds best. indistinguishable. I used to run with 2x Azur 851 W Bi-amp with my Herbeth HL5 plus Aniversarys and it was heaven. Unfortunately the Azur series was not reliable. Both units died within a year. It seems that CA could not fix the issues and they stopped producing them. I wish I could buy them again brand new but without the issues of the past. 😢

Thanks Thomas - Interesting review. You clearly love the Exasound house sound. I would love to hear how this compares with my Chord Dave. Unlikely to happen though due to the lack of dealer support in this region. A pity.. You are fortunate if you can compare DACs at this level 'in the flesh'. {obviously it helps now you are a - justifiably - famous YT reviewer ;¬} Seasonal Greetings to you and yours.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Thanks, I remember having the Chord DAC and upsampler for a while, yeah, crazy resolution also.

You are killing us! 😂

One of the few DACs I haven’t tried. I’m sure it’s really good. But I’m kinda done with DACs. I have both a Marantz HD DAC1 ( which you really need to try , even tho it’s older) and I also have a Benchmark DAC3 . The DAC3 might have a touch more detail in the lows. But the Marantz is slightly more musical. Both measure well, with the DAC3 measuring a bit better. Great videos as usual!

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

It's around the amount of $ car stealership ADM over MSRP. So I will keep my old clunker and make my dream come true. J/K 🤣 - Great video as always Thomas. TY!!!

@tagtag-connected5263

6 ай бұрын

Please don’t start ADM discussion since it tends to go on and on forever 😀. It’s not the money as much as the principle of giving money away for no perceived value. Just say no to ADM and 5k + DACs 😀

@denis4072

6 ай бұрын

@@tagtag-connected5263 🤣🤣🤣

Very interesting video, Thomas. How did you find the quality of the preamp/volume control section.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Thanks, I wish the knob was bigger and slower. It is however one of their selling point, they took the time to explain to me in detail how there is almost no lost of resolution with their volume knob.

@dajikbatarang1

6 ай бұрын

@@ThomasAndStereodoes it compare well to dedicated preamps? Or does it sound like something is missing when using most volume controls on DACs?

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

@@dajikbatarang1 It depends on the amp. For example, it works well with the Schiit Tyr directly, which is how I recorded the sound demo.

Ask Gabster to send an Ian Canada streamer/dac 🙌

@Pete.across.the.street

6 ай бұрын

Very good if you're a roon user

@familiep5021

6 ай бұрын

Has anybody tried one? Or better compared one with convenient transports? I‘ve read a lot about Ian Canada but I can’t sort it right between ready solutions out of the box. Thanks

@Pete.across.the.street

6 ай бұрын

@@familiep5021 I bought his power supply and clock to replace the power supply and clock in my streamer. It's very solid. If I used roon I'd buy his streamer. I think a lot of his SQ comes from the super capacitor power supplies and reclocker he uses. I have heard mix results about pi software.

If all you're worried about is galvanic isolation optical digital would be the best. Seems like fiber optic internet service would be a major help as well. I'd be curious how microwave mesh performs. Dead last is coaxial cable internet. $50K streamer fed by a sphincter cable modem would not be nice.

Based on your review, I am sure that the Exasound S82 does some amazing things to improve digital sound. But for those of us that cannot afford this Exasound, I found that a USB Interface can cleanup jitter and such and greatly improve the performance of any DAC. I believe you reviewed a USB Interface a while ago. I use a Gustard U18 DDC, $450 US.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

I have one at my place from Denafrips. It does 'clean up' the sound, whether you like that clearer presentation is a question of taste.

So its looks like a Denafrips combo of Arce streamer, Hermes dcc and Pontus Dac, that's also a asynchronous config ,has multiple femtoclocks ( oven controlled) . R2R Dac is maybe better in this regard. So the exo must be very special , can't wait to hear👍

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Oh I did not know those DAC have asynchronous config, good to know. Thanks.

@Joel-m777

6 ай бұрын

I heard through another forum that it’s not recommended by Denafrips to connect their new streamer to one of their DDC”s and they suggest that it should be connected directly to the DAC to avoid duplication of fifo stages. I am also not sure how the denafrips combination could be all asynchronous? The only asynchronous connection on the Arce is the I2S and the Hermes’ DDC does not have an input for direct i2s.

Are those the schiit tyr amps? Any thoughts? What is their character? Will we see a review?

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Great bass. I will review it either on The Absolute Sound or HIFI+

I have been using E20 for abount 5 years now. Not sure, if the newer DACs from Exasound differ a lot, but I love its sound. Shame I can't afford the S82 :( but nothing will turn me away from Exasound !

I recently bought an upgraded streamer and it made a substantial improvement in both my 2 channel and hp chains. It’s nowhere near the investment for this unit but I do believe source can make a huge difference.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Yup, thanks for sharing your REAL life experience.

GM ☕️Thomas 12:46 …..I think I’m slowly understanding what the designer is saying ..but I admit..I gotta watch this again..A FEW TIMES… And as further the comments of $8k …they need to watch your visit to Angie’s ..$8k won’t buy the interconnect cables 😎 Great video 👍👍

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Man the whole interview was like 45 minutes, I had to watch it a few times to really get the whole thing.

@carminedesanto6746

6 ай бұрын

Hopefully, we’ll all get degrees in Digital Systems Engineering after this 😮

I have had my DAC for years and think it can still sound very good. Because I look at the computer playback source as a system, the DAC is only one part of the chain. The playback core and software, the streamer, the DAC and their power supplies and cables, are all part of the digital front end and they all make a difference in their own way. The computer, or the server, the playback software and its settings forms the fundamental basis of your digital transport output. The streamer is next in the chain, and how it renders the digital stream for the DAC is also very important. Streaming is a much better than a direct output from the computer. The DAC is of course what gives you the analog output. For the DAC to do its job properly the aforementioned "digital drive system" has to give it the cleanest signal possible. There's so much you can do with the routing, cabling, settings, and power supplies... Just changing the DAC before assessing other areas upstream doesn't seem very productive😅IMHO

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Cool, thanks for sharing.

Hi Thomas, if this unit relies on external LPSUs (as I gather from the picture) and it suffers from modest bass dynamics, then wouldn't the logical think be to ensure it is fed with audiophile grade LPSUs like the Farad LPSU rather than regular wall warts, and then to test it?

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Interesting, have to test to be sure.

Inb4 "my friend" reference

I am all confusing.. l had setup with denon avr x1700h. I want to hear apple hires music through avr with my Android phone. please suggest me required hardwares. Is wiim pro+ ...

So which brand(s) are the anti-focal ie musical, smooth, involving, etc? Thanks.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

You can look into R2R DACs and some tube DACs. You will lose maybe the speed if you go in that direction.

TY; I'll stick with my deck sized ultra rendu, and 'frips Venus II.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Great DAC.

What is digital glare? Is it the pre-ringing?

@erics.4113

6 ай бұрын

The reconstruction filter seems to have impact in this realm. I suspect the quality of the DACs analog output stage and how it amplifies that RCA or XLR output separates DAC quality too.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

With today's DAC, even affordable DACs, you don't really have that issue. Glare? Glassy? A certain level of sharpness that is uncomfortable for some? It was also very apparent in the early days of class D.

It's OVER 8000??!!

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Less than the price of a cable for some :)

@EskWIRED

6 ай бұрын

Some DACs cost over $100,000. So at this point, this is not a DAC suitable for show-offy rich people. Instead, it looks like a good choice for many audiophiles, and especially, audiophiles who don't mind going slowly broke. 😁

Thanks for the review. I have to point out though, that a reviewer should have the minimum technical understanding required to consistently differentiate a streamer from a streaming dac and that from a dac while talking about a product, or understand that usb error correction cannot correct for 'errors from the network'... Is that too much to ask? Also, after watching the review twice, I'm still not sure about the basic functionality this streaming dac provides for your 8K. I found out if it can stream youtube though..

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Yes, this is a streamer DAC. I took it for granted people would know by default in today's world. The interview was actually 45 minutes long and he did go into detail how it works, I simply cut it out because it was really heavy. For me, those who really are interested would just reach out to Exasound directly, my main job was to raise awareness and above all, to entertain.

@gioponti6359

6 ай бұрын

@@ThomasAndStereoI am interested watching the long version :) - anyone else?

@razisn

6 ай бұрын

@@ThomasAndStereo Well, some other reviewers manage to inform while still raising awareness and entertain.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

​@razisn Those must be the better and bigger channel then. Perhaps that is why they are able to have way more subscribers and views because they do all 3 in their videos.

This thing looks very cheap. From boxing to plastic $2 remote to $50 chassis. I bet it looks as unimpressive on the inside as it does on the outside. I've seen sub $1k products with better build quality. Imagine trying to resell this thing after a few years of ownership. You might get $3k if your lucky. And with DACs a better and cheaper one is just around the corner. That being said, I love your videos Thomas, keep them coming.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

That is the advantage of mass production in China. I know because I have an amp built in China and one build in Canada and the cost difference is huge. I mean huge. Fortunately, the sound quality of this DAC will appeal to a certain group of people that cares more about the sound than anything else.

I sold my Gustard R26 DAC...it was so nice but... I now have a really good DAC built into my new SACD player...one less link in the chain

@dajikbatarang1

6 ай бұрын

Which SACD player? I wouldn’t mind reducing my box count as well.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, most of the modern gear are good enough and I find sometimes we are splitting hair.

Yikes, this kinda hurts. Most DACs work like this, buffering, and then timing by their own clocks. That's how DACs work, that's what they do. Except when fed via i2s, then this buffering mechanism and the DACs clock are out of the path and streamer's clock is working. We have tested this with Denafrips Venus (Denafrips specifically advertising their buffering), and it worked - source did not matter, listening to the same track connecting an old diskman on optical VS the grabbed version of the same track from Roon via USB sounded the same. Having 4 clocks in one streamer/DAC device does not make much sense. It has nothing to do with quality or performance. For that you would need to talk about the frequency of the clocks and their accuracy. You would need to check if they are $20-50 pieces (as usually) or they really went for it and used say $200-300/pc clocks. I somehow have my doubts. Oh, and it would have been nice to see at least the DAC part compared to Denafrips Terminator or Holo May, considering the pricepoint. Not mentioning the inside of the device and those highly regarded clocks since they were basically the main topic of the video or at least the reason why this device is seemingly considered better than many others.

Without a good source, nothing else matters. Downstream components cannot fix smeared or distorted signals from the source.

@EskWIRED

6 ай бұрын

@@einarbk885 that is all fine. I hope you enjoy listening to music on whatever equipment you have.

The streamer is different from the DAC. The goal of the streamer is to deliver bit perfect data stream for conversion. At some level it needs to be careful not to deliver any RF distortion along with the data, but otherwise I would love to hear what a streamer could possibly do to the data, pre-dac, to change the sound. The second most important part of a streamer is the software. In this case, more mass market units tend have a bigger use case, have more robust software and are more likely not to be orphaned. I think this is why Bluesound and Wiim have such good and useful systems. As an aside, a roon endpoint is not a streamer, it's more like a thin client that feeds data to a DAC from another computer doing the streaming. As to how good a DAC the Exasound is, I can't say, but let's not discuss the product based on its streaming if the differentiation is in the DAC. The goal of the DAC should be to recreate the waveform of the original as close as possible. I am not convinced that excessively precise clock's affect sound, or that error correction on already redundant data streams is necessary. I would expect some of the op-amps would affect the sound, but at that point you are really introducing a favored distortion (e.g., tubes).

@ThomasAndStereo

5 ай бұрын

Jump to 3:15 darko.audio/2022/08/expert-opinion-mark-jenkins-goes-deep-on-digital-audio/

@michaelmarcin1003

4 ай бұрын

Interesting discussion that really seems to affirm my point. Mr. Jenkins basically finds the reconstruction of the signal in the DAC is susceptible to timing issues and noise. The basic conversion of the internet data to a bitstream is not where the problems occur, i.e., the streamer should sound the same if it is delivering bit perfect data after it is buffered or semi-buffered in the phase lock loop. Jenkins wandered around and confused the streamer and DAC multiple times in his discussion such that it wasn't clear where the issue he discussed resided. I think many reviewers do this as well. As to the DAC, he faults bad clocks and timing issues induced by busy processor noise. Seems to me that the ASR noise measurements have a lot to commend themselves on this score. The issue left unsaid is just how accurate the clock needs to be. Clearly, most of the good DACs we find today reclock and have low noise. The question is if ultra precise clocks will improve the sound, sort of like whether 96khz vs 192khz hi-res is noticeable. @@ThomasAndStereo

Dacs and more dacs.😅😂

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

At least it is a $8k DAC and not a $1k DAC with a million videos already made :)

@ianorigbo7617

6 ай бұрын

@@ThomasAndStereo True. 😊

So this technology is basically what for example Gustard U18 does plus buffering. Gustard uses 10Mhz master clock and two clocks for asynchronous operations. I can't understand why usb input isolation is not so common even in expensive dacs. It complicates power supply a little but it's not expensive technology known for a while. Analog devices provides chip with hundreds of mbps transfer far more what is needed for audio purposes.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Ah good question for the designer

@kopczas

6 ай бұрын

​@@ThomasAndStereomay I ask you to ask this question any designer that you probably will interview in future?

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

@@kopczas Well as I said, my interview with the designer was long and I skipped a lot of things. To answer your question, when I asked him, this is how he answered. I find many people just read the marketing material on the Chinese DACs and there would be more clarity if they could just ask the engineer directly. "Without buffering you don’t have what we call “True Asynchronous Operation”. This shouldn’t be confused with the modes of operation available with USB Audio Class standard drivers. The s 82 master clock is 100 MHz, not 10 MHz. Isolators cause jitter that also needs to be eliminated and we eliminate it. As I try to explain, the key to natural sound is to integrate all these components, isolation, asynchronous operation, error correction, ultra-low-jitter master clock, proprietary drivers, proprietary streaming, compartmentalizing noise sources etc, We don’t use any third-party OEM modules. When you develop all this in-house R&D becomes major cost driver."

@kopczas

6 ай бұрын

@@ThomasAndStereo I wish I could investigate this design. As hardcore DIYer I tried many isolation options with positive results. Don`t get me wrong, I trust your ears more then trust designer/seller telling about NASA like technology where reality is much simpler. "Isolated usb input with no isolator", this is conclusion. We see why I have some doubts where reality ends and mumbojumbo starts :)

After almost 20 yrs in this hobby, I decided that I will only buy Chinese audio products. They simply offer the best value for money. Their performance now is at par if not better than most of what is available in the market. I don't like wasting my money on financing fat salaries for companies in Europe or the US.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

I agree in terms of value; the Chinese audio products are hard to beat. However, I don't think most Western companies are getting rich by selling audio gear. Many go under, and it is not easy in today's market. My point is many people are trying to make an honest living, and their price, although sometimes high, is correct to maintain a business in the Western world. For example, a Chinese company does not need to worry about insurance in the Western world because they can't get sued. I run an audio company here in Canada, and I have 2 million dollars in insurance, which is a big expense. This is just one small example.

@moussaobeid

6 ай бұрын

@@ThomasAndStereo I agree with your point, but for someone living neither in the West nor in China, I should go for the one who offers us the best value.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

​@@moussaobeidYes, whatever is best for you. That is why I say in this hobby, there is no or wrong anwser, whatever works for you.

@WiiNV

6 ай бұрын

​@@ThomasAndStereo Think Western market got blindsided by too many companies marketing 🐍 oil audio science over real audio engineering! 🙈🙉🙊

Another great video Thomas! Could you hear the saliva on the singer's lips?

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

You can hear the saliva of the backup singer😅

@sickjohnson

6 ай бұрын

🤯@@ThomasAndStereo

Who used DSD?

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

In Asia, I know a few people who use DSD. It is basically SACD rips. I think you can buy DSD files online, too.

you should try a Pontus

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

I had the pontus and Venus before.

This is the audio equivalent of the old joke, I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out. In this version I went to a streamer review and a DAC review broke out. I don't know how many 'streamers' don't have DAC's or if this or many others have outputs from the streaming side to output to other DAC's, but nobody I've seen, save iiWi reviews, to address the sound of a streaming section of a component, pre DAC. Perhaps streaming sections don't effect sound? Let's find out, please.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

I think the problem is we cannot generalize everything. For example, one streamer has very good streaming section and good DAC section, it does not mean all streamers have good streaming section. Sure, we can break it down and test each unit individually to see if the Exasound is good at both or good only at one, I just wish I have more time in the day to try different possiblities.

How the S82 is better than E38 + Sigma streamer ?

Geeks buy pi2aes mercury, gets equivalent benefits like adding a ddc withoutbuying one and i2s. No fancy displays, just phone apps to control. Pure as it gets and tons of raspi audio os software to play with. Volumio moode gentooplayer roon. My favorite symphonic-mpd disables usb thus reigns top of all. For fun slap a small heat sink and dl play your raspi retro games as it has hdmi and yes this works on a receiver for hifi sound and video:😅.

$6,499 US . .. . WHAAAAT ?

I think company margin would be 7k from it

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

But net profit would not even be close to that.

The streaming crowd are being taken for a ride, a very expensive one.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

In case I never told you, I always appreciate you dropping by all the time.

@crazyprayingmantis5596

6 ай бұрын

@@ThomasAndStereo I appreciate you too Thomas

I don’t see the point of purchasing a Streamer just to hear music streaming from Utube. Is it because people are subscribed and buy online songs instead of actually purchasing the CD ? I myself simply connected a bluetooth Rx/Tx device $50USD to my Pioneer system so that i can listen to UTube music from my phone to the stereo system. The sound is good. But to spend thousands on a streamer to maybe hope to sound as good as a CD is not worth it. I have actual CDs and vinyl to enjoy. The music from UTube is the same for me as FM radio stations. I never bought into HD radio receiver because I didn’t see the point of it.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

I actually use KZread a lot, I have Tidal, Qobuz, DSD, CD RIP, CDs and they all sound better but I like using KZread to discover music and also for video. After the honeymoon stage of always trying to find the best recording, it really is all about the music. So I am at the stage where I don't care and listen to everything. When I want critical listening, sure I will use better source.

@Pete.across.the.street

6 ай бұрын

If you just want sound, there is no point. If you want great sound, then you need a great streamer. Glad I don't need physical media any longer, what a hot mess that was.

What are the exasound going for 5-6k ? Some noob probably buys it. Absolute waste of money. DACs over 2k are a waste and you will not see a huge difference between under 2k and 7-9k ones. At least with speakers, under 2k and 7-9k are night and day difference. In fact most high end AVs now have high quality internal DAC so if you get a 2k Marantz for example with built in DAC, if you can stomach the streaming interface, the quality of streamed music directly from internal DAC is about the same as external DAC since external DAC still need to push the streamed audio back via balanced/unbalanced cabling to AV unless the DAC is also a pre-amp. DACs as a pre-amp then that defeats the purpose of DAC in the first place since it’s trying to compete with AV which is a dedicated pre-amp does everything DSP, Room Correction, Multiple Channels, Multiple video inputsand for most dedicated pre-amps purpose blows away damn near every DAC. Again i don’t get 5-9k DACs but maybe there is a use case for 5-9k DACs but for most is not necessary. Splurge on amps, speakers, subs, etc and not a DAC 😄

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

My wife thinks DAC over $5 is useless. TV dac is good enought. Now you and I know that she is wrong because and and I have real life experience with DAC over $5.

🤗 THOMAS, I AM TRULY HAPPY THAT YOUR HARD WORK 😓 HAS PAID OFF…AND YOU HAVE MFG. SEND YOU THEIR EQUIPMENT FOR YOU TO GIVE AN DESCRIPTIVE HONEST REVIEW 👍💚💚💚

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

👐

As a 35+ year IT professional as well as a graduate degree in electrical engineering and computer science, , it is baffling to me for people to believe there is an audible difference between the digital outputs of different streamers. Analog side, it makes a huge difference but on the digital side, bit are bits !

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Not believe, but rather people share their actual experience. Dark had a podcast on it where he had an engineer explain why just looking at it as 0 and 1 is incomplete. Having said that, I am no engineer so I leave this to you experts to discuss it. podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/darko-audio-podcast/id1368388920

@DynissRainer

6 ай бұрын

RE: bits are bits: false. We just don't yet know how to explain / understand why 0s and 1s can sound different.

@davidspendlove5900

6 ай бұрын

There is an audio difference between digital outputs , easy to hear even with my old ears.

@MichaelFaughn

5 ай бұрын

"Actual experience"...uh huh, because humans are well known to be consistently objective.

@MichaelFaughn

5 ай бұрын

@ptg01 Imagine if we believed that all of the other data we transmit was as susceptible to corruption as these folks believe digital audio data is.

obviously all makes a difference.not enough for a few thousands of pound extra. other much cheaper models also have femto clocks. the eversolo master edition has a femto clock. only a grand though. no difference in sound quality in my opinion. i think streamers etc can be way over priced ,by making excuses that they have some sort of futuristic device inside that makes it much better than cheaper models. bit of a rip off really.

@ThomasAndStereo

3 ай бұрын

But here is the thing, I have the eversolo and all those streamers with femto clock as well as all those affordable DACs (20 to 30 of them), I formed an opinion after listening to them and I encourage people to form an opinion only after listening to them. Its like eating Mcdonald's burger only in life and don't think there can be better burgers out there because they are all made of beef.

No one can hear SUPER resolution…

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Batman can.

In my opinion sound is too bright.

you should really change ur demo song, also it has 0 bass

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

I am 100% open to changing it. If you can find one for me without copyright issue and vocal + bass. Have to worry about clipping when recording bass.

@daveycrockett5738

6 ай бұрын

@@ThomasAndStereo ya dat be cool you should, I could actually offer a couple really good demo songs for you up to you ofcourse what you use. But it would take me a sec to look them up let me know

@DynissRainer

5 ай бұрын

Noooo don’t change it. Although I agree it’s not the best choice (e.g. the “reverse” audio moment takes away from evaluating regular dynamics), long-term we can compare a LOT of samples consistently from Thomas’ channel by using this same track. :)

Still get amazed at the amount of envy and pseudo arrogance embedded in some of the comments. The armchair "manufacturers" or DIYers claiming one can do this streamer for $1K or the measurements zombies claiming anything over $1K doesn't measure better than their Topping so it doesn't sound as good lol etcetera etcetera. Bottom line is when I go to my high end dealer to listen to demos with their well heeled clients I never hear any of them complain about the $100K components or pretend they could do better themselves etcetera. They audition quietly and respectfully then lay down $300K as an example and walk out with a "thank you very much" to the staff. Same kinda thing I notice at my local Audi dealer. Folks, either you're rich enough so that price isn't an issue or not, if not then just stop pretending you're a better judge of what is what than the rich folks who have proven superior in our capitalist system and reap the rewards. If you knew better than them then you'd be rich too and tinkering with your $500K system.

@tothemax324

6 ай бұрын

Provincial queens lol

@tagtag-connected5263

6 ай бұрын

It’s not envy to point out a product does not justify the price. No one is being forced to buy the product or not buy the product. We all have to come to our own conclusions and live with it. I am personally are a huge fan of REL S subs and most people think they are overpriced for 10k since you can buy much cheaper subs that can dip lower. To my ears RELs are more musical and works for me. The same people may have issue with RELs may buy a 7k DAC. If we all liked the same things the world would be boring place.

😂 8000$. The price of the components and labor around 1000$. And lots of empty words.

@goodsound4756

6 ай бұрын

Most is R&D if you tend to believe them.

@ThomasAndStereo

6 ай бұрын

Have you checked out the cost of Canadian labor lately in building electronics? I am building a class A amp right now in Canada....let's say it is VERY expensive, not only in labor, R&D, design, and prototype but everything else. I also have another amp build in China...holy cow, 2 different worlds in price, such a BIG DIFFERENCE I want to cry . But we complain, it is made in China.

This guy is totally bamboozled because he doesn't understand how computers transmit bits. Error correction? Line jitter? Don't let his ignorance become yours...

@ThomasAndStereo

5 ай бұрын

I did finish my bachelor's in the science field, so I totally understand the whole logic of 0s and 1s. However, perhaps this podcast can give someone a different perspective on 1s and 0s. Jump to 3:20min, he is almost as if he is talking to you. darko.audio/2022/08/expert-opinion-mark-jenkins-goes-deep-on-digital-audio/ darko.audio/2018/11/why-isnt-digital-audio-just-ones-and-zeroes/

@MichaelFaughn

4 ай бұрын

Well you need to know enough to evaluate and/or fully understand what is being said in that podcast. Jenkins doesn't present any numbers, just talks about theoretical situations. He's explaining everything that could theoretically go wrong and leaving out the fact that these things just aren't big problems anymore. Does a building need a set of stairs that can support 1000 tons and where the height of each step is exactly the same as every other step down to a nanometer? No. And if the stairs were like that, would you notice a difference between climbing those and climbing your average set of stairs that are built to code? No. If this podcast were about stairs you'd come away thinking that it was really hard to build a perfectly adequate set of stairs. But why would Jenkins want to convince you that you don't need his $19000 product though? He's using the word "perfect" over and over. You don't need "perfect". You can't hear "perfect". You can't discern perfect from extremely good. When it comes to jitter, most DACs are good enough that you can't hear any artifacts from jitter. BTW, he also kinda refutes the Exasound claim of "ZeroJitter" if you listen carefully. Your words: "Please correct me if I'm wrong, most DACs have no error correction." OK, consider yourself corrected. Also your words: "With other DACs you might have a pop or loss of split second of music". That just doesn't happen; not even in cheap DACs. I've owned quite a few DACs and have heard many hundreds of them. There are at least six DACs within arm's reach of me as I type this and dozens more in the house. Jitter isn't causing pops and clicks and dropouts. Is it theoretically possible? Yes. Is it happening? Nope. FWIW, I'm a working computer scientist. I work for an institute that is dedicated to metrology and that has had 5 Nobel Prize winners in Physics in the last 20 years.