Some of these will no doubt change in the future, we will do a character tier list soon. OOS!

@darnneil2619

2 жыл бұрын

yaaaaas man

@cpt.tryhard6554

2 жыл бұрын

Shiva tier list plz :D

@srsgoblin

2 жыл бұрын

What do you feel about movement speed increase? I find it's pretty essential for later in a run purely because of how it makes you walk up and down quicker. Helps with dodging explosives a lot.

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

@@srsgoblin defo important , first 3 tiers are all 15% then 10% then 5%, trying to get 3 is the most important, but kinda annoying this week being 6/33/47 the optimal stages to pick up

@Yuber187

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMightyBill I’m definitely here for it man. Why stop at character tiers? Enemies, bosses, individual abilities or just offensive/def, weapons, I can spend hours listening to sor 4 content 👍🏽

So nobody gonna defend the ally? Nobody gonna state that there's only one stage with a hole in it out of all the stages? Or how upgraded allies are great meat shields and them pulling g aggro from other enemies distracts them from you which means you can deal with them when your ready cause an ally thats not a boss won't be killing any high level enemies. And if you do upgrade them to boss status you get a nearly unkillable buddy who's pulling aggro and pulling their weight. Respect the ally buff

@BurtondaGreat

2 жыл бұрын

nah it's a fun powerup but that's the end of it. it's not actually good. they also cause u to get hit by shit that wasn't aimed at u that u end up running into from offscreen. late game that means u die. that being said, friends are less of a liability than jumping or attempting to swing a weapon late game imo. i take it over those powerups just cuz friends are funny. there isn't really a reason to defend the powerup though.

@BigMac8000

2 жыл бұрын

I concur with Bill on this. The issue is randomness. When you're going for 50+ things need to be predictable, and you need to fight invisible threats. While your ally might deflect some attention away, especially Mrs. Y if you are lucky enough to get her, but that brings a new problem. While your ally is fighting, throwers, shooters, bombers, of which there are many, are going to be tossing things around randomly. When an enemy offscreen is invisible, you can "assume" something is over there and start patrolling up and down the screen. Very few things, other than Mr. X, shoot at a diagonal pattern too fast for you to evade. Vial-throwers take time and have a throw-arc you can react to - and as long as you're moving up and down a bit, they'll largely miss. If a donovan throws an axe at your Mrs. Y and she dodges, there's now an axe flying at a random line on the map. Given that you're fighting for 2 hours to get to the higher levels, "chance" becomes a huge issue. A stray flying axe, bullet, or flame bottle can, and will, end your run. Meanwhile enemy AI, while distracted, is erratic and sometimes unpredictable. As you and your ally get closer to the enemy, it can change who it wants to attack. Given that their reactions are instant, you may creep up on a distracted Y signal, only for him to change targets and run you down. Once you start dealing with red signals, this is a huge problem. Meanwhile, you can't group. This is the real problem - in the end, a "vampire" build is optimal, because food runs dry, enemies hit too hard, it becomes too hard to see, and it's hidden in dangerous barrels. If enemies are split, you aren't vamping as much as you should be - and each mob is cut in half when in reality, what you want is the entire mob locked in a death-loop of your electric stun. More enemies, more vamp, more vamp, more specials - you have the advantage in these situations. Splitting them halves not only your attack power, but your resources while you fight half the screen... Which, at any time, can become the entire screen if your ally decides to run past you. This hasn't mentioned the fact that your ally is random, and some are better than others. We could argue their efficacy but one thing is universal - they are all wily cats completely uncaring of their movement patterns and ramifications of their actions. In a game where you want to get everyone grouped and mow them down with a lawn mower, it's like doing that with a dog on your lawn chained to a weed whacker. It's chaos in an arena when you need stability. We're just discussing high level here though, at lower levels Glass Cannon, Ally, can help players struggling with getting to 30. A Mrs. Y can be useful up until 25 before these effects start to come in, and for players who are unlocking moves in survival it can make the game go faster, so it has uses. It's just not good sometime after 30, then they become a huge liability. Lastly though... It's a super FUN perk, probably the MOST fun perk of them all, so I'm not knocking it. It is by far the most dynamic and interesting perk to take, with the most gratifying payoff, it's just not good if you're trying for 100. Anything else? Great use cases for farming and also, there's a Co Op meta nobody has been discussing where all this changes too. But if we're talking solo survival 50+, that ally has to stay in the audience.

@Dakingsnake

2 жыл бұрын

Im with u on the upgraded buddy. I just want a clown though.

@sebblake362

2 жыл бұрын

I feel ally is strong depending on a person play style

@HELLRAISER02

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigMac8000 that took me awhile to read, all i can say is that i barely see flying weapons coming, grabbing enemies when im mashing pick up item has killed me more than anything Mr. Y carried my ass cuz bloodthirst never came up on my sim And its more fun than constantly using electric flame wheel as axel id say

In spite of the fact, that "Hey, buddy" is a D tier in the video, it's one of my favourite perk.

@Eastsid3

2 жыл бұрын

It's bailed me out a few times

For the "Hey buddy" perk, actually it can be very useful depending on the ally. I like to stop to Koobo because he drops a lot of pipes on the ground, which I throw to heal from a distance.

@Dakingsnake

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@AdAce21

2 жыл бұрын

this

@Sumblueguy41

2 жыл бұрын

Theres a higher ranked ally after Koobo? Thought it stops there for it since its a lvl 3 Hey Buddy pickup

@merususurume

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sumblueguy41 I don't really know tbh, but if there's only 3 Hey Buddies perks in a row then there's no one after him.

@anddudewaslike

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve never rolled a Koobo yet, I think my highest ally was a Mr Y

The extra jump with shiva is nice

extra jump is amazing imho, at least 1 level in that perk, allows characters to jump cancel out of airborn blitz moves and gives more routes for safety, like if your blitz is unsafe.

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah maybe should of gone in the b tier or A tier tbh. Just the end game doing a jump cancel out of blitz means you're falling without s into robots/mr/mrs y's/headbutts from off screen/shots offscreen/grenades/flames e.t.c

@cpt.tryhard6554

2 жыл бұрын

Extra jump awesome, especially when you play Shiva and have 3 extra jumps and you do 3 air combo's in a row. Unless there is a Donavan under you, who does an armored uppercut, because for some grand reason the hitbox is full screen along the y axis. Same goes for Barbon x.x

@Sumblueguy41

2 жыл бұрын

Unless you’re using big characters like Max & Floyd who can’t really jump that high anyway so it’s moreso for horizontal movement instead

@nycmaxim689

2 жыл бұрын

@JaXX you still get the jump cancel out of moves, but drop straight down. for some combo routes I think it actually works out better than jumping high into the air.

@av4010

2 жыл бұрын

might be really good with sOR4 Adam since his alt air special is 100% invincible like a defense special. jump cancel move, air special to be safe from everything (Except explosions and shit you know) then special as soon as you land.

Watching this with x1.25 speed makes you talk like a normal person. Thanks for the content !

@Eastsid3

2 жыл бұрын

Good call

What about the "closer to the stars" buff?

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

Ah shit you're right, cant believe I missed one buff off my list >< score is nice because of huge score bonuses 30% 60% 90% 100% but it wouldn't be picked over anything important, just a filler slot tbh

@tarsofelix4414

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMightyBill Thank you for your answer. Great video btw!

I always prioritize anything acid related

@Sumblueguy41

2 жыл бұрын

Now if only acid did a dmg reduction debuff, that’d be so OD

Elemental stars is super good on Roo if you use the Bruce super. Get two of them out and they will control the entire field.

Thanks for this. I was struggling to decide but this helps me a lot! 👍 keep up the good vids

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

No problem! Thank you!

Nice gonna watch this now ! Oh btw bill I got lvl 55 on survival mode , 3rd in the world on playstation , you and antho and major playerz are my inspiration dude 🔥🥊

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

Wow gg Dom! OOS

@BeatEmUpDom

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMightyBill thanks bro !

@axe2grind772

2 жыл бұрын

55? Wow that is absurd. Yea I’m at 19 lol.

@Ultra_Kuma

2 жыл бұрын

@@axe2grind772 Anything above 18 is already good enough

I'm copying this and putting it on my second monitor, just so I don't get lazy and pick the wrong buffs when I'm not thinking about it. This is really helpful, because it's so easy to forget your priorities when you're endlessly staggered down a list of 1 to 1 comparisons - you get "trained" to being willy nilly in your picks and not to think of them in entirety. Thanks for this.

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad it will help! :)

This is very good list for high-level players. Some comments for lower level players: - Blood Thirst (life steal) is bad. The amount of healing you get from items is a lot more up to around level 17. - Hey buddy (AI ally) is good, for exactly the same reason you find it to be bad: it draws aggro, so you're not getting swarmed. And its health is automatically refilled every level. I suspect (but can't confirm) that the combo damage thing is the same, very bad for lower level players because their combo is often broken.

Nice tier list Bill , I havent played nearly enough survival yet but will make use of this list for sure!

With the elemental star upgrade, Bruce from Roo's summon gets elements on his whip, it's unpredictable, but with fire and lightning I've had him able to lockdown half the screen on his own

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I've seen this too, pretty hilarious the bruce army

Thanks to your videos I've reached lvl 35 #5 with Shiva!! I was definitely wrong on some perks

I still love the buddy…I don’t even care if it’s bad I love it…

Nice list. What about weapons specials though ?

That's a good tier list! I agree, the blitz elents are S rank for me. Great crowd control and since blitz attacks don't use health up, you can spam them all you want. Aka it becomes "blitz of rage" Heavy attack elements is also good, but they are slow to contact enemies. And yes, glass cannon is Pants. I always want to take something else over it, even if it's extra jump or defense plus 10.

I think Air Master is a pretty good perk. It allows you to dodge pretty much everything that happens on the screen (outside of anti-airs), as well as bait Goro's parries and jump off of throws. And the air combos you get are ridiculous, especially with Shiva.

Glass cannon is underrated. I used it with SOR1 Axel combined with a few other damage buff powers and I was one shotting a lot of enemies. Sure, he's weak against the potion tossing girls, but against bosses, he wrecks them.

Others dlc's are going to be released soon?

I'll have to try that out :)

Are you going to do a tier list based on some of the new characters and some the other characters with their new alternate moves?

@cubansupreme

2 жыл бұрын

That would be interesting to see, especially just to see if any of the new alternate moves has either improved past characters or made them worse somehow.

Extra Jump is S tier. I dont thing the devs noticed this but you can 1frame jump cancel landing recovery and certain grabs Extra jump is S+ tier is the game with Cherry. (Mind you you can get multiple jumps) Its just the least fun playstyle to use (cauae its boring) but you can stand on a courner of the screen facing away from the enemies to draw them to you She can beat everything is the game with no drawback once you have all the special buffs. (Not even Donovan nor the AntiAir kickers can out beat you) The only thing that can really kill you is Hyper Armor enemies and Ring stages. (but thats where poison comes in) You can also do this with Roo's Blanka Ball air special

Top video bud, nice one.

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Great stuff TMB

Hopefully I'll find an answer in here somehow. What does SoR 4 Max's Star Move Iron Will do exactly and is it worth using it, especially for Survival mode? The game doesn't explain what it actually does. Does it give Max a temporary buff to damage and/or defense or something else entirely that I'm not aware of?

@stoutx2273

2 жыл бұрын

He can’t be stunned from what I can see. Basically it’s the same thing as when you fight him as a boss.

Thanks to you, and your tier list, I finally manage to reach 33 on survival, so thank you, and your tier list it really helped alot 😀.

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

Nice gg Dominique!!

@alenamullayarova

2 жыл бұрын

TheMightyBill what is gg)

@megamasterx9003

Жыл бұрын

​@@alenamullayarova Good Game

You know. Im dumb af. I started realizing at some point, they never gonna give me an heath item, let alone be able to grab one. These enemies be on yo ass!!!

Interesting video. It would be nice to see tier list of all enemies in survival mode.

I already Knew This would be fire duuude

The Buddy Perk is essential!!!. It is S-Tier! 🌟 Star Rockets is essential

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Dangit i love the ally huff, its so fun running around with a boss char splitting enemies so i dont get 16 v 1d

@tempestrage257

2 жыл бұрын

But if you want to get to high lvls you need 16 v 1 so your other perks give you full benefit

What about random upgrades? There is one with white weapons icon and another one with golden boomerang, how do they differ?

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

In the weekly they are all set in stone for each character, so if stage 8 has a golden random for shiva and its estel rockets, then it will always be estel rockets. If you do a weekly run once and write them down you will know they are for next run

U missed the golden weapon drop. Where would you place that?

@Eastsid3

2 жыл бұрын

I'd guess B. They're OK but probably not great. Maybe better if stacked with weapon durability.

@LostChildOfTime

2 жыл бұрын

I'd put it at the bottom. Weapons are best against bosses early on if you are having problems with them. But later on, enemies will move so fast they will just take advantage of you if you miss or are too slow. It would have been nice if weapons could do more than just 3 types of attacks but most of them aren't safe and some characters don't have a great attack animation with certain weapons such as knives with SoR1 and Sore characters.

@2ndLastStarfighter

2 жыл бұрын

@@LostChildOfTime 100% agree!!! The other issue is in later levels, once you drop the weapon, enemies move SO fast, good luck trying to pick it back up. Just the animation of picking up, is enough of an opening to get swarmed

@LostChildOfTime

2 жыл бұрын

@@2ndLastStarfighter also the robots that use the weapons against you that are on the ground. Getting hit by a golden weapon in a 37+ run = gg if you're unable to avoid or grab it out the air.

@2ndLastStarfighter

2 жыл бұрын

@@LostChildOfTime oh yes Thanks, very good point. Aside from the gold Boomerang, the rest are pointless by 37!

Elemental Star Move should be higher, it stacks great with the Heat of the Battle (the combo powerup) if you have a few elementals. It depends on your character of course, but with some like Shiva's shadow clones it can create pure pandemonium. Hey Buddy is one of the best for several reasons. It stacks with Blood Thirst and can allow you to spawn golden weapons indefinitely. Splitting enemy aggro is also extremely useful. ATK power ups should all be higher, since they BYPASS the penalty of Heat of Battle. So if you have 25% ATK UP and 55% ATK UP at full health, you can do 82% of your normal damage even on your first hit. Very useful early game, of if you miss out on Heat of Battle. DEF power ups are all indispensable, they turn a one-hit-kill attack to something survivable in late game. They only really shine on the end game though. Weapon powerups are situational, if you get a buddy to spawn a golden weapon for you, they will become the most useful abilities. Sharpen Weapon also allows stronger weapons to not immediately break when you hit a big group late in survival (like Max or Floyd using the bastard swords), so you should take at least one or two of that. Speed up is really useless. A jumping special can land you further away with most slow characters. Heavy Punch elementals, at least poison and fire, can be useful depending on situation. With Shiva it affects the air combo ender. With Max it allows you to get extra juggles on corner combos with the fire heavy punch. And if you have Heat of Battle but not a big enough combo meter, the poison powerups will do over half your damage. The only crap powerups are glass cannon and the Score UP, that last one would be super good but it is broken and will make large combos give you negative scores instead.

I feel the order to get some of these upgrades will be very dependent on which characters you pick too. Early on Roo does really crappy damage and the health on heal doesn't benefit all that much since you won't recover very quickly with it. Once you get that and things that increase damage output I'm sure that perk becomes much better over time. More so with that combo one since a lot of his moves will build up high combo's extremely quickly ( hit a few people with his left or right special and you can get 50-100+ just from that one move ).

Double jump is s tier on shiva and if any other characters with air combos the can even cancel out of rush moves

Bruce is mad good with the element star buff

Is this list available online

i think another take away from this is like the no-health vampire only becomes really good later on. like all these buffs have a time and place the score multiplier is good early the weapon durability doesn't mean crap later

imho the best way to fix glass canon would be to make it read: "all your defensive buffs increase damage instead". Which still doesn't make it great but at least it doesn't straight up ruin your run on a random buff.

Can both players pick the "Blood Thirst" perk or it can be picked by only one player?

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

Only one, hopefully that's changed :\

I never do well with the risk reward strategy. I gotta have just an advantage.

Finally found a channell that can help me with this survival mode thank you sheeesh🥵i can only get to level 37 with shiba lol that's terrible

@TheMightyBill

4 ай бұрын

It's difficult man, this video was done in V7 too, the game is in V8 patch now so some things changed.

I love the ally. They will entertain the other players when you’re playing a boss

@TheMightyBill

Жыл бұрын

Nice, yeah some allies are good

Love to have someone explain why buffs are good all premised on you not taking a single hit.

I find the combo/damage scaling buff is a nightmare against boss characters that cant be combo'd or when there just isn't enough mobs around to keep a combo going. You basically do no damage.

@TheMightyBill

Жыл бұрын

Yeah gotta time a jab on objects in between waves to keep the counter up, also some characters have no safe move so no safe way to keep the combo I agree, this is an old vid not very in depth , was one of the first days into dlc

Poison is nice if you get Heat of Battle early because it doesn't care about the damage downside of Heat of Battle. Had heavy attack poison in a random mode with Axel when I had Heat on stage 2, and it carried me for awhile. Single strong kick even with no combo built up still killed low HP enemies like Galsia and Dylan and the red jumpy girls (Ruby?) I think heavy attack perk is largely dependant on who you're playing. Anyone who can raw charge attack enemies safely like Axel, Blaze, Adam and Estel get a lot out of the perk but someone who's charge attack is largely dependent on finishing their jabs like Cherry or Shiva it's trash. Also, lastly, electric special on Axel 4 is absolute God tier. Single use of it with Heat of Battle gets you like a 250 combo and locks down an entire screen.

Shiva need air master for final crash combo

Here’s Bruce with the elemental super is fantastic.

He still hates friends... hahaha

I think the lightning blitz is only S-tier for the first stack. I'll take a defensive buff over a second stack of elemental every time the choice comes up. Poison may be the exception to this rule. They're still better than attack buffs though, being an important source of damage later on. imho, all defensive perks are A-tier

I am going to get 50 with this!

They're called Risk Perks. Glass Cannon is actually for aggressive players. I think it was intended for Aggressive players. Sure, you give 100% attack damage but you take 100% damage too. The only thing bad about it really is environmental hazards. Like, the Volcanic stage with the lava geizers or the factory level with the lazers and the huge crusher in the center. I mean, as long as you're familiar with the layout of each stage and can plan your attacks, you'll make it far. The Arena gonna be a run killer though. Only take Glass Cannon if you like using weapons. The Golden Weapons do 100% damage to regular enemies and even insta-kill them. Weapons + Glass Cannon = Massive damage. Golden Weapon + Glass Cannon = God-like damage. If used right, it can be useful. Not the best perk, but not the worst. It's better if you play with more players otherwise, go Heat of battle + Electric Blitz.

Prolly wouldn't have considered no jump on Shiva before. Broke 40 immediately

If you could invent a power up, what would it be?

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

2nd Life.

@mattsmith5253

2 жыл бұрын

Stars for Life!

hello i'm french i have been following you for 1 week thank you for your advice i'm struggling on survival mode i'm at level 21 lol i hope to reach level 50 for next week lol good day greeting from france !!!!!👊👊👊

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

Hello, welcome man hopefully this video was helpful to you, I am a big fan of french :)

@rrrssss2790

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMightyBill thank you for everything where are you from

@rrrssss2790

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMightyBill thank you because on sor4 there is not really any advice video unfortunately that I have the subtitles lol

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

@@rrrssss2790 L'angleterre

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

@@rrrssss2790 mdr

Special Tier B. Reducing special self damage S tier. 🤦‍♂️

@TheMightyBill

Жыл бұрын

If anything was wrong here it was because it was the first day of the game

Aw bye bye buddy donny haha

Love the video, Bill. OOOS

I fucking hate Combo - Damages if I'm not playing as Shiva or the Kangaroo. Ugghhh, and no I won't get good.

12:25 Don't you get one shotted in later levels anyway?

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

only vs enemies that do 34 damage multiplied by the scaling that is capped by level 53. 33 dmg = survive

What about the golden weapons ?

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

Good health leech because of their damage yeah, other than that not really. Also past level 60 you get 3 stars every round so they become the priority over gold wep, we only found this out in the last day

@MrDood-qu8dg

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMightyBill thanks

Totally disagree with this list. What game are you playing dude?🤨

Wow my F tier never pick is his S tier best perk in the game. Maybe its cuz in not as good and i need food.

@imdikonps4396

2 жыл бұрын

Well ivevgotbto lvl 38ish and they stopped giving food I hate them bitches with with bomb

A is better than B is better than C is better than D. LOL.

Really, D tier for the ally? I found them highly useful... you just need to upgrade them. My best run had a 3rd level ally. Was a robot, my Shiva spammed kicking pipes they dropped...

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

Ye this was days after release, ally has turned out to be good, whenever you get to 3rd 4th level and depending what it is

Star should be so tier If you have infinite star, you should play the game what level you want.

The Buddy allies are good because they distract enemies well you can fight others without getting jumped as much.

@TheMightyBill

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah this was like day 2 7 months ago, Good at tier 4 that's true. I hope the new mode isn't just a i-frame blitz fest though

You forgot the elemental weapons

Allies are only good as baits. Eletric blitz is the best

Are u sure about ally being that bad?!

@TheMightyBill

7 ай бұрын

this way day 2 of the release of survival. Can't remember what I said but allys aggroing enemies offscreen that can one shot you (like a koobo hitting your ally from off screen and them flying through the air with collision on hit 1 shotting you is bad yes) Before the 1 shot levels (lvl 53) they're fine

I vehemently disagree with Bloodthrist. It can only be utilized once you've acquired Blitz Lightning or Heavy Lighting. Otherwise all you'll do is to lose health trying to get health back. It's simply not worth it before Lightning. I disagree on it being S-Tier at all. It forces you to pick it floor 20+ and up more or less. That doesn't make it S-Tier. That makes it bloody inconvenient and a forced pick. Just looking at this and I just, disagree so much on it. Allies being D-Tier? Are you mad? Especially once you get Mr Y or so as your ally that can take a real beating.

@Sumblueguy41

2 жыл бұрын

Bloodthirst proficiency is dependent on the Blitz move used/ how rapidly it hits during a single use. Thats why it is mad good for Blaze alt, Shiva alt, & Cherry's alt among others. And Hey Buddy is entirely RNG dependent to even get a lvl 3 Buddy. I once went 20 levels without getting another one for my lvl 1 Donovan buddy :/

Electric blitz is not essential by far. What's more, it can spoil things for centrain characters quite a bit. Like when you DO want to distance yourself from the enemies with blitz there might be a chance that blitz will freeze the enemy you are performing the blitz on and they just drop next to you. And that's not what you want on >Lv.30. Besides, the electic blitz can downright break Shiva's blitz-1 and the main purpose of it is to launch the enemy in the air to then deal as much DMG as possible using extra jumps. So...yeah, this one is definitely a very questionable questionable S-tier. Extra jump in the C-tier? Well, blitz-1 Shiva definitely disagress :D

shiva is not the only character in the game dude, smh

I guess Ill have to take my chances with the "Glass Cannon" buff. Inflicting 100% damage is too good to pass up. If you're skilled enough, taking damage should be least of your problems.

This game sucks. Enemies are too op & not enough tools for the player to be able to dominate.

@TheMightyBill

Жыл бұрын

Agreed