Stranger Things: The Complete History of Billy Hargrove | Horror History

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From birth to death, learn how Billy Hargrove was an amalgamation of many of the greatest Stephen King human villains.
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Billy Hargrove came to Hawkins as the new kid in 1984 and quickly took over the school, catching the attention of almost all of it's students. But Billy's history goes much deeper than that. To fully understand his character, I'm going to analyze everything we know about him, from his youth in California, to his relationship with his father and his new family (including his step-sister Maxine Mayfield), to his years at Hawkins High, which include his encounter with The Mind Flayer.
"Flayed Billy" also brings new traits to the character, so I'll also discuss how this aspect of his psyche is representative of mental illness and how actor Dacre Montgomery used this, and other ideas to prepare himself to portray this character.
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Chapter
0:00 Billy's Childhood (In California)
0:55 Intro
1:56 Billy's Upbringing
2:28 New Step-Family
3:00 Starting at Hawkins High
3:23 Ace Merrill Parallels
4:48 Rivalry with Steve Harrington
6:48 Disdain Towards Lucas Sinclair
8:52 Missing Step-Sister
11:54 Battle with Steve and Lucas
13:14 Lifeguard Job
14:00 Late Night MILF Call Gone Wrong
14:35 Flayed Billy (Bipolar Disorder)
16:32 Kidnapping Hawkins Residents
17:57 The Sauna Test
19:04 Tracking Eleven
20:36 Final Sacrifice
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  • @cassie1790
    @cassie1790 Жыл бұрын

    Whoever wrote his character really understands reactive attachment. It’s why he seems to both hate and care for Max simultaneously. He really does care for her, but he is also a victim of abuse. When he becomes close with someone, he pushes them away emotionally, and he has control issues.

  • @I5_th4t_a_hum4n

    @I5_th4t_a_hum4n

    Жыл бұрын

    138 likes and no replys? Let's fix that

  • @Jekasnaka

    @Jekasnaka

    Жыл бұрын

    169 likes and 1 reply’s? Ley’s fix that

  • @ednadunham8892

    @ednadunham8892

    Жыл бұрын

    He was a racist also

  • @staceyharms6819

    @staceyharms6819

    Жыл бұрын

    204 likes and 4 replies, let’s fix that.

  • @prettypoppin_552

    @prettypoppin_552

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ednadunham8892 True. You're the first person I've seen point that out

  • @JustforKikX
    @JustforKikX Жыл бұрын

    I actually really liked Billy. He was the right amount of antagonistic/sympathetic. I was sad when he died. Good character.

  • @toxicstudios5748

    @toxicstudios5748

    Жыл бұрын

    same

  • @comedygod522

    @comedygod522

    Жыл бұрын

    You liked a racist

  • @toxicstudios5748

    @toxicstudios5748

    Жыл бұрын

    @@comedygod522 dude its a fucking tv show

  • @comedygod522

    @comedygod522

    Жыл бұрын

    @@toxicstudios5748 just because it's a show doesn't mean Billy doesn't get some accountability for his racism. Racism in fiction and real life are both bad.

  • @iii_brad5863

    @iii_brad5863

    Жыл бұрын

    agreed

  • @midvvest
    @midvvest Жыл бұрын

    it would’ve been so cool to see steve, billy, and eddie as a trio fighting bruh 😭😭😭

  • @Kaylenjustkaylen

    @Kaylenjustkaylen

    Жыл бұрын

    Only if billy was alive this would’ve happened

  • @melarie205

    @melarie205

    Жыл бұрын

    all of my fav boys😢💗

  • @Lord_Of_The_WhoLock

    @Lord_Of_The_WhoLock

    7 ай бұрын

    I feel like Eddie and Billy would've had a very entertaining rivalry

  • @BrittLewis-rj7dp

    @BrittLewis-rj7dp

    7 ай бұрын

    Helll yesss .... I'm with you 300% was Hoping for it right up till they killed him .

  • @lillianna.xoxo59

    @lillianna.xoxo59

    3 ай бұрын

    not eddie, Jonathan

  • @kingdevin_
    @kingdevin_ Жыл бұрын

    Billy was a good antagonist for seasons 2 and especially 3 tbh! His death was pretty sad to me and heartbroken 😢 I hope to see a character history on Eddie Munson or Dr Martin Brenner next

  • @anthonyjacobs7561

    @anthonyjacobs7561

    Жыл бұрын

    Jason carver and dr brenner

  • @rosieglows

    @rosieglows

    Жыл бұрын

    Billy was an Ahole and he barely had a character arc redemption.

  • @garnerhedrick3195

    @garnerhedrick3195

    Жыл бұрын

    E

  • @slashtash7009

    @slashtash7009

    Жыл бұрын

    agree

  • @ratw-rumbleactiontoywrestl2278

    @ratw-rumbleactiontoywrestl2278

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rosieglows because he is influenced by his fathers intentions and he also has a good side. Example: his mother and Karen wheeler. We didn’t need a big character arc because we already knew he was a victim. The sacrifice is all he needed for redemption because he was partly controlled by the mind flayer.

  • @fallingawayfromthenorm
    @fallingawayfromthenorm Жыл бұрын

    It was so disturbing that Karen showed interested in an 18 year old man who was still in high school, and then started trying to entice and pursue him when he was either still 18 or 19. Nothing more questionable than some way older adult going after freshly out of high school young adults.

  • @crimsonffire
    @crimsonffire Жыл бұрын

    Billy was a very well fleshed out character. I think the reason people were so sad that he died wasn't just because he sacrificed himself for max the. But when you see the little happy kid he was , losing his mother , because you kinda think something bad happened her? Then years of his dad being abusive to him. You look back over how he treats max and everyone else and just feel sad for him he could have been a totally different person if things had been different. But as great as a character is it made sense how he died and he got the anti hero redemption arc. I don't think Billy allowed himself to show emotions towards people he cared about, he didn't want to seem weak or have it used against him. That's why how he treats max is so conflicting. He cares but goes about it in the worst ways possible. But he obviously loved her enough to sacrifice himself to save her and tell her he was sorry. Its such a great show with great characters

  • @JazzyB9481

    @JazzyB9481

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah that's exactly why I was so sad about his death! It was the fact that he was once an innocent kid, but his experiences hardened him. One could argue that having a hard life doesn't excuse that type of behavior, but he really wasn't a bad guy after Max set him straight in season 2. He really just worked out, worked, and kept to himself after season 2, before the mind flayer got him. And in the Sauna scene he cries and apologizes to Max and says everything that's happening isn't his fault. He tries to protect Mrs. Wheeler by telling her to stay away from him after he's flayed, and even resists the urge to knock her out in that scene. And when the mind flayer is telling El that he's going to end everyone, you see Billy shed a single tear. I actually really grew to love his character after watching season 3 a few times.

  • @crimsonffire

    @crimsonffire

    Жыл бұрын

    @@JazzyB9481 yeah I think as the audience , we got to see more to Billy than the average "bad guy character " because you get flash backs of him as a kid and El used this and the love he had for his mother to break the smell the mind flare had over him. They have to be some of the best thought out characters I have seen in a show and as you pointed out each season you grow to like and care for these characters ,they are so reliable in so many ways. I know I was kinda rooting for him to live . But he redeemed himself and it was max he wanted to know most that this wasn't him. Was so gut retching to see him open up and say it wasn't him and apologise before the flare took him back over and escaped. The also choose great actors for their roles . Guy who played Billy was great. Going to be a mixed bag for season 5 but all great things must eventually come to an end.

  • @JazzyB9481

    @JazzyB9481

    Жыл бұрын

    @@crimsonffire yeah they absolutely have the BEST casting directors because the actors do such an amazing job and are such perfect fits with their characters. I'm not gonna know what to do with myself after season 5 ends!

  • @obi5398

    @obi5398

    Жыл бұрын

    I had a stroke trying to read this

  • @crimsonffire

    @crimsonffire

    Жыл бұрын

    @@obi5398 oops sorry

  • @janedee6126
    @janedee6126 Жыл бұрын

    The scariest thing of Stephen Kings work is how useless the adults can be

  • @CiaraEliizabeth

    @CiaraEliizabeth

    Жыл бұрын

    I'd say that's a strong theme of King's. He is intentionally drawing a parallel between fiction and the real world in whic most adults are useless! That's what makes his works terrifying, they reflect real life.

  • @cateyes3813
    @cateyes3813 Жыл бұрын

    No, Billy is not like Henry Bowers because Billy handles all his problems/fights completely alone, whereas in strong contrast, Henry Bowers can only do anything to anyone when he's got all his buddies with him. That's VERY different. Billy doesn't seem to have any friends and is quite a loner.

  • @gl1tch.7

    @gl1tch.7

    11 ай бұрын

    tommy hagan is billy's friend

  • @Dmbm789
    @Dmbm789 Жыл бұрын

    Rip Billy, Rip Eddie, Rip Barb, Rip Alexei, Rip Bob, but shoutout to Argyle for making it through this season alive 😂 I actually liked his character as a new addition to the group

  • @JeroldBoy0407

    @JeroldBoy0407

    Жыл бұрын

    Argyles character was shmackin maaan

  • @Dmbm789

    @Dmbm789

    Жыл бұрын

    @@JeroldBoy0407 yeah every stoner if they were on the show 😂

  • @occidere13

    @occidere13

    Жыл бұрын

    Man, imagine Eddie and Argyle meeting eachother. Totally would smoke palm tree delight together.

  • @Dmbm789

    @Dmbm789

    Жыл бұрын

    @@occidere13 absolutely my dude they for sure would’ve blazed up and rocked out

  • @mangle3019

    @mangle3019

    Жыл бұрын

    @@occidere13 they would be best friendsss

  • @Alice_2010
    @Alice_2010 Жыл бұрын

    "Clearly you haven't met the high school girls" DAMN BILLY SHEEESH

  • @Slice2099
    @Slice2099 Жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately you’re gonna have to make one on Eddie Munson 😔

  • @Jumbalowbumbalow

    @Jumbalowbumbalow

    Жыл бұрын

    He doesn’t have to, but yeah… 😔

  • @Funny-NuMbE7

    @Funny-NuMbE7

    Жыл бұрын

    Why don't you like Eddie

  • @Jumbalowbumbalow

    @Jumbalowbumbalow

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Funny-NuMbE7 They never said that

  • @zoe8832

    @zoe8832

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Jumbalowbumbalow just say they

  • @Jumbalowbumbalow

    @Jumbalowbumbalow

    Жыл бұрын

    @@zoe8832 Alr I edited it

  • @robdaniels8949
    @robdaniels8949 Жыл бұрын

    Billy didn’t die…. He got sent to a 3rd dimension to make amends and become a power ranger

  • @flash_mercenary4033

    @flash_mercenary4033

    Жыл бұрын

    I thought they sent him to the 60s to help Elvis find his freedom from the Snowman

  • @mikalapron

    @mikalapron

    Жыл бұрын

    @@flash_mercenary4033 No, he got sent to the 2000’s and played Party In The USA with Miley Cyrus.

  • @lllightskindude

    @lllightskindude

    Жыл бұрын

    He got mutated and became the next ninja turtle

  • @cmm3699
    @cmm3699 Жыл бұрын

    When billy says his full name at 10:52 it kind of sounds like he said: “really heart broke”

  • @puromann2370
    @puromann2370 Жыл бұрын

    billy doesnt care about people liking max, he cares about his dad knowing that boys like max

  • @topfacts7768

    @topfacts7768

    5 ай бұрын

    He did care thats why he sacrificed himself

  • @salazar556
    @salazar556 Жыл бұрын

    I love Billy's character. I'm glad they did decide to kill him off, though. As someone that wasn't crazy about Max at first, I think his death really benefited her character.

  • @Jumbalowbumbalow

    @Jumbalowbumbalow

    Жыл бұрын

    Bru-

  • @user-gz1su4mf9t

    @user-gz1su4mf9t

    Жыл бұрын

    Slimey what nerd

  • @hopeleslydevoted6170

    @hopeleslydevoted6170

    Жыл бұрын

    Well shes dead too so I guess.

  • @cassie1790

    @cassie1790

    Жыл бұрын

    Right, I can’t figure out if people are confused this is a fictional show or what, but you’re obviously not saying you’re okay with killing off a real person lol. I’m also glad they killed off his character. It wouldn’t have been the same season or character arc for him or max.

  • @iii_brad5863

    @iii_brad5863

    Жыл бұрын

    yeah

  • @delix787
    @delix787 Жыл бұрын

    Billy was so damn wasted. Billy’s character wasn’t even finished. They NEVER went back and told his story with his abusive father. Instead L saw everything of his past. But that should have been his character arc telling us his backstory. And maybe working out issues with his dad. But wait. Stranger things isn’t about family Problems. So why even give us awareness to his personal life? If you were never going to revisit that situation? Billy Eddie and Steve. What have been a badass team! 😥

  • @SjofnBM1989

    @SjofnBM1989

    Жыл бұрын

    It's El* not L Like ELeven

  • @bradleyhernandez1170

    @bradleyhernandez1170

    Жыл бұрын

    That's the thing not everyone is going to have a happy ending especially with family issues that they have

  • @nastybigJim

    @nastybigJim

    Жыл бұрын

    @@SjofnBM1989 wow how patronizing. Such a kind person you are.

  • @brie3679
    @brie3679 Жыл бұрын

    I love how this show makes us mourn for “bad” people. People have intention, both good and bad. They make choices, both good and bad. I’ve always loved how they make us feel that, often truly right before that bad person changes and dies. We just got it in season 4 with “that character” lol. Demogorgen, Demodogs, “bad” people. It shows that every has both good and bad. But with Vecna..he straight up says that’s not him. He’s just..all bad.

  • @SamsarasArt

    @SamsarasArt

    Жыл бұрын

    Jason was pretty irredeemable too. There was nothing positive or good about him.

  • @anatoldenevers237

    @anatoldenevers237

    Жыл бұрын

    @@SamsarasArt Jason sucks but he wasn't entirely bad, he clearly cared about Patrick and Chrissy(even if he didn't understand her as much as he thought he did) and he was genuinely trying to save Max when he found her and Lucas.

  • @alexischerie2817
    @alexischerie2817 Жыл бұрын

    Billy might have bipolar disorder with psychotic and/or schizoid episodes, he has become obsessed with max in the way that he wants to protect her, and step in as almost the father figure within the home because of his distain for his father. That’s why he has been focusing his hate for Lucas, is that like with most fathers they are worried they are going to corrupt they’re precious daughters, because that is the way that he feels towards max. He has devolved paranoia thus him breaking out when he finds max again, in a strangers house, with strange people, and Steve lied about it, kinda does make it seem like they are nothing but trouble

  • @bosinclair7597
    @bosinclair7597 Жыл бұрын

    billy and eddie are always gonna be my favorites. i want them back so bad :(

  • @simarillion666

    @simarillion666

    Жыл бұрын

    same😭

  • @Ghost-bp7zt

    @Ghost-bp7zt

    Жыл бұрын

    Sameee :')

  • @akbarshabazz-jenkins7847

    @akbarshabazz-jenkins7847

    Жыл бұрын

    Keep dreaming

  • @syedqasim8950

    @syedqasim8950

    Жыл бұрын

    @@akbarshabazz-jenkins7847 keep crying

  • @akbarshabazz-jenkins7847

    @akbarshabazz-jenkins7847

    Жыл бұрын

    @@syedqasim8950 Your boyfriends aren't coming back and the only ones "crying" about it are you weird fangirls

  • @booktraci7954
    @booktraci7954 Жыл бұрын

    Oh my God, Professor Farnsworth saying "go to hell, Heather!" Gave me liiiiiiife 😂😂

  • @justposi
    @justposi Жыл бұрын

    DUDE lol the 90's NBA reference cracked me up. The fact that you know how physical 90's used to get in the NBA. Respect

  • @nachgeben
    @nachgeben Жыл бұрын

    Racism CAN be incidental. It's entirely possible for Billy to not have cared about Lucas and never showed a single racist bone at him--if not for his interaction with Max. Billy does show interest with Max, but it's clear it starts as a sort of control, not anything positive. So take this, and add a black boy getting a crush on Max, and it's a perfect storm for targeting Lucas. I seriously don't get the 'he never showed interest in her' from you. It's clear he thrived over controlling her--because he'd get his ass kicked if he didn't keep her firmly under his thumb.

  • @izadorad

    @izadorad

    Жыл бұрын

    Pretty sure the duffle brothers said he was racist lol

  • @malik-fu2jx

    @malik-fu2jx

    Жыл бұрын

    dacre ( the actor ) was meant to call lucas the n word in the show but he refrused to they didnt do the scene.

  • @celianunn2070

    @celianunn2070

    Жыл бұрын

    Interest =/= control or fear 🙄

  • @chimmychim8801

    @chimmychim8801

    Жыл бұрын

    The duffer brothers literally confirmed that billy was racist(which they did a great job at showing indirect racism) but it gets annoying how people skim over that fact and say it’s not true especially when billy was supposed to call Lucas the n word in the original script but dacre was uncomfortable with that and refused it

  • @jaelan0503

    @jaelan0503

    Жыл бұрын

    @@chimmychim8801 exactly bro! i can’t tell how many “billy stans” have defend this racist, abusive character to the grave..it makes no sense bc it’s so OBVIOUS that he was being racist to lucas even though it was indirect 🤦🏾‍♂️

  • @petertracycarroll
    @petertracycarroll Жыл бұрын

    I think the tragic thing about billy is he was just like Steve a jerk but you could tell there was something underneath all that we sadly only saw that in his final moments with his apology to max I wish he got to survive and overcome his fear of his dad and maybe even fix his relationship with max but sadly he died too soon

  • @nataliecermakova6870

    @nataliecermakova6870

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes i really wanted to see some character developmnet from him and wanted to see him become a better person. I think his death was well made but i would be happier if he would get a chance to change for the better

  • @petertracycarroll

    @petertracycarroll

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nataliecermakova6870 exactly everyone deserves a second chance

  • @rolyngeorges7315
    @rolyngeorges73157 ай бұрын

    Billy is one of my favorite Characters. He’s both tragic, sympathetic, and super cool.

  • @schools6555
    @schools6555 Жыл бұрын

    I really liked Billy he was always a villain in a way but a likeable one. Billy actually sacrificed himself to save Max and Eleven, something I wish they would have done for Eddie Munson's character.

  • @mandu859

    @mandu859

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah but instead they just have him die for absolutely no reason

  • @justineharper3346
    @justineharper3346 Жыл бұрын

    They did a good job making him a sympathetic villain. He’s such a dick, but I still felt sad when he died

  • @SjofnBM1989

    @SjofnBM1989

    Жыл бұрын

    I think it's because when he's possessed by the mindflayer the real Billy lets his vulnerability show and you can see he's just a scared kid trying to look tough because his Dad is abusing him.

  • @blaze556922
    @blaze556922 Жыл бұрын

    the funny part is Billy and Mrs Wheeler look closer in age than she and their father do. She's a stunner of a a mom and the actor playing Billy is in his 20's

  • @lilynelms9515

    @lilynelms9515

    Жыл бұрын

    tbh they prolly are mr. wheeler seems much older than her lol

  • @janettenava4050

    @janettenava4050

    Жыл бұрын

    Nancy states there's an age gap them when she was at the shooting range with Jonathan. She said something along the lines of not believing her parents were in love. "My dad was older with a well paying job and my mom was young and pretty". I probably messed that up badly but the point was made.

  • @englishatheart

    @englishatheart

    Жыл бұрын

    20s* Apostrophes aren't used to make plurals.

  • @englishatheart

    @englishatheart

    Жыл бұрын

    @@lilynelms9515 probably* Use actual words.

  • @sh1ns0uk0ku4

    @sh1ns0uk0ku4

    Жыл бұрын

    @@englishatheart girl it doesnt matter how they spell its not even that important 💀

  • @ironicly__iconic
    @ironicly__iconic Жыл бұрын

    The thing that most people miss with this character is that it wasn't just his Dad that made him that way. It was his parents, mother included. She was toxic too. You see her throwing plates before she gets smacked. And the main reason I think Billy hates women is his mother just abandons him to live with his abusive Dad on his own. His Dad didn't leave him. 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @SjofnBM1989

    @SjofnBM1989

    Жыл бұрын

    And she left her son with a man she KNEW was abusive. when she left Neil she didn't take Billy with her.

  • @kimawhitehawkjordan7714

    @kimawhitehawkjordan7714

    Жыл бұрын

    @@SjofnBM1989 Thats very Cowardly

  • @corimoon3360

    @corimoon3360

    Жыл бұрын

    Why do you think she threw those plates?? Did you see the way he was all up on her?? It’s called a reaction to abuse. The fact that you’re using that to make her sound toxic shows how dumb you are. You just can’t stand the fact that the abusive father is bad. Also what a stupid comment “his dad didn’t leave him” are you DUMB?! His dad stayed mad beat the shit out of him that was way worse to him than his mom simply leaving and I’m sure there’s a reason she couldn’t just take Billy otherwise y’all would say she’s “keeping him from his dad”. At least His mom didn’t beat him. 🤷🏽‍♀️

  • @corimoon3360

    @corimoon3360

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kimawhitehawkjordan7714 It’s not cowardly. You don’t understand abuse victims so you need to stfu

  • @corimoon3360

    @corimoon3360

    Жыл бұрын

    @@SjofnBM1989 Yeah bc she KNEW she couldn’t take him. If you’re not an abuse victim you need to stfu. None of y’all understand what she went through.

  • @chanelhenderson8460
    @chanelhenderson8460 Жыл бұрын

    Billy was my baby I know he was an ass home but once Eleven hit him with that memory I died...He's like Billy from The Boys. He's all tough until his past pain comes back to haunt him. And they both have the same first name lol

  • @bartplays3392
    @bartplays3392 Жыл бұрын

    Can you do on Eddie as that would be really interesting. May he Rest In Peace too :(

  • @Fadedthanahoe8

    @Fadedthanahoe8

    Жыл бұрын

    Why tf would he do Eddie when there’s vecna/henry/001

  • @bartplays3392

    @bartplays3392

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Fadedthanahoe8 Oh yeah he can do that too

  • @a-uncreative-person

    @a-uncreative-person

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Fadedthanahoe8 cause Vecna’s story isn’t over yet

  • @seanmorriss9549

    @seanmorriss9549

    Жыл бұрын

    Omg bro thanks for not having a spoiler alert

  • @mandu859

    @mandu859

    Жыл бұрын

    @organized trash because Vecna didn't die

  • @shelbyb9056
    @shelbyb9056 Жыл бұрын

    Dacre did such a good job with this character.

  • @Mangolite
    @Mangolite Жыл бұрын

    When Billy told Max to stay away from Lucas was indirect racism. They have no history with the Hawkins community to say it wasn’t. I have witnessed indirect racist remarks from those who intended as such and those who are entirely ignorant.

  • @mohammedfaizaanmoola8529
    @mohammedfaizaanmoola8529 Жыл бұрын

    There were so many missed opportunities for the character of Billy. A few examples would be: Billy working with the group. Developing a father - son relationship with Hopper. Developing a friendship between him, Steve and Eddie (maybe even Nancy?) A nice tearful interaction between him and Max where we can have him apologize to her. Fight scenes like maybe him vs Jason or an old Demogorgon in the upside down. An inner conflict between him and Vecna or the Mind Flayer. An interaction between him and Will (since they were both possessed by the Mind Flayer. An interaction or bond between him and Joyce. Closure between him and Lucas. Getting to beat the crap out of his father. If he survived I'm sure the Duffers could have done it in a way where Max is still cursed, maybe because of the abuse Billy has put her through she has trauma so you could get a cool storyline between him, Vecna and Max.

  • @Robsalwierak_

    @Robsalwierak_

    Жыл бұрын

    Maybe he comes back in season 5. Maybe they look into these fan theories that the clone he saw of himself was the one that died.

  • @nikolausmartens529

    @nikolausmartens529

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Robsalwierak_ Not to mention Vecna tells eleven that everyone’s still in his mind which we see in season 4 so technically anything possible. It’s a show and like anything else all it takes is a pen and paper for the writers.

  • @Robsalwierak_

    @Robsalwierak_

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nikolausmartens529 right on brother

  • @KatieCatWalker
    @KatieCatWalker Жыл бұрын

    This is how you know this guy that is the hosting the video, grew up "Normal". Everything he says is from the perspective of a safe and loving environment who is health conscious and not from the wrong side of the tracks like some of us are from. Everything about Billy, right down to his smoking and drinking while working out, is something I grew up with in the 80s and 90s and part of the 00s. Not sure wither to laugh at this guy or being irritated.

  • @corimoon3360

    @corimoon3360

    Жыл бұрын

    Girl it’s not that deep…

  • @casimirsinferno
    @casimirsinferno Жыл бұрын

    I'll never be a Billy apologist but his backstory is so relatable-

  • @obi-wankenobi.6925
    @obi-wankenobi.6925 Жыл бұрын

    How many times do you want to say california? Him:yes.

  • @Jumbalowbumbalow

    @Jumbalowbumbalow

    Жыл бұрын

    Ugh these commentsssss

  • @obi-wankenobi.6925

    @obi-wankenobi.6925

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Jumbalowbumbalow i just say this to make people laugh or enjoy it to make peoples days better i dont know what is your problem

  • @Jumbalowbumbalow

    @Jumbalowbumbalow

    Жыл бұрын

    @@obi-wankenobi.6925 Yeah, I know. But I really hate these type of comments, they’re everywhere and really unfunny.

  • @obi-wankenobi.6925

    @obi-wankenobi.6925

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Jumbalowbumbalow i respect your opinion but other people like it and i am doing it if you dont like it just scroll dont leave hate comment.

  • @jaydenharding801
    @jaydenharding801 Жыл бұрын

    Billy also looks like he's heavily inspired by Billy from Saint Elmo's Fire

  • @clairekubelka4310

    @clairekubelka4310

    Жыл бұрын

    He iss!! Rob lowe confirmed it

  • @GrandMasterPeep
    @GrandMasterPeep Жыл бұрын

    I loved billy he wasn’t even really evil until he got whatever the hell the mindflayer did to him and heather

  • @akbarshabazz-jenkins7847

    @akbarshabazz-jenkins7847

    Жыл бұрын

    Nope, just racist... that's so much better 🙄

  • @GrandMasterPeep

    @GrandMasterPeep

    Жыл бұрын

    @@akbarshabazz-jenkins7847 you right I forgot he hated Lucas

  • @anatoldenevers237

    @anatoldenevers237

    Жыл бұрын

    He might not have been truly evil, but he was still pretty crappy on his own, racist, abusive, almost certainly would've killed Steve if Max hadn't stopped him.

  • @BennyLlama39
    @BennyLlama39 Жыл бұрын

    Damn! Max swung that bat like she was frickin' Negan or something. 😀

  • @xmoomzix2063
    @xmoomzix2063 Жыл бұрын

    I feel like with Lucas, Billy knew that if his dad caught Max with him, it would be deemed Billy's fault. Neil is probably the racist and Billy was doing damage control and yeah I get how it's interpreted as being racially motivated but it's not explicitly shown and I think maybe that's what Dacre was getting at.

  • @KreationsOvMatt

    @KreationsOvMatt

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, that's how I see it. Though Billy would have probably reacted the same way if Max took an interest in any of the other boys. Billy was a shit person but I don't believe he was a racist.

  • @kanishkar1089

    @kanishkar1089

    Жыл бұрын

    but the duffer bros said he was racist in an interview

  • @ispartacus1337

    @ispartacus1337

    Жыл бұрын

    Dude was ABSOLUTELY racist lol and I guarantee Billy would have voted for Trump. Hes basically every conservative in their 50s and 60s today. They act like him and claim they're not racist.

  • @SkittleBurstsxoxo

    @SkittleBurstsxoxo

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kanishkar1089 Right? Like white people are so ready to erase blatant racism, even when it's explicitly confirmed.

  • @candlelamp8729

    @candlelamp8729

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kanishkar1089 do you think you could link the interview? And honestly at this point i feel as though it’s up to interpretation, since there’s sources going both ways.

  • @shadowmomochiuchiha6839
    @shadowmomochiuchiha6839 Жыл бұрын

    this guy is one of my favorite characters

  • @favoritedinosaur759
    @favoritedinosaur759 Жыл бұрын

    I UNDERSTAND A LOT ABOUT BILLY NOW THANK YOU

  • @allieh5749
    @allieh5749 Жыл бұрын

    I was so sad when Billy died because he never got a chance for character development/redemption. In the end he did sacrifice himself after all to save Max

  • @mikailmamedov9980
    @mikailmamedov9980 Жыл бұрын

    Make one on all of Vecna’s victims in season 4. It would be a great lead up to season 5 of stranger things!

  • @seanlamar29

    @seanlamar29

    Жыл бұрын

    Isn't this the last season

  • @obi5398

    @obi5398

    Жыл бұрын

    @@seanlamar29no

  • @seanlamar29

    @seanlamar29

    Жыл бұрын

    @@obi5398 it should be

  • @obi5398

    @obi5398

    Жыл бұрын

    @@seanlamar29why? How are they just gonna leave us with that massive cliffhanger

  • @sensitiivv_
    @sensitiivv_ Жыл бұрын

    Fun drinking game: take a shot whenever he mentions surfing or California.

  • @CZsWorld

    @CZsWorld

    Жыл бұрын

    You'd be out cold before the intro

  • @normalguyhere9158

    @normalguyhere9158

    Жыл бұрын

    Trying to give me alchohol poisoning

  • @e3litez59
    @e3litez59 Жыл бұрын

    I feel like if they didn’t kill off billy he would of became part of the group with Steve

  • @NotNowJensen
    @NotNowJensen Жыл бұрын

    Billy was an amazing character, it was sad to see him leave, but you know, the Mind Flayer had its choices, killing Billy was one of them.

  • @S13Logs
    @S13Logs Жыл бұрын

    Could you do a history of the Upside Down? It's history before the Hawkins Lab portal seems to be interesting to say the least

  • @troglodyte948
    @troglodyte948 Жыл бұрын

    4:38 He said “Will, Lucas and Dustin” but it’s actually Mike not Will.

  • @akhtiarahmed3830
    @akhtiarahmed3830 Жыл бұрын

    Wow. Another Stranger Things video. Always love these.

  • @amandavaldorian
    @amandavaldorian Жыл бұрын

    Even though it is possible that he may have been a bit racist bc of his dad and the times back then, I don't think that's what initially made Lucas a target of Billy's... Many people have pointed out that this happened after Billy saw Max was upset because of Lucas and after that he hated him. Maybe something about it reminded him of his childhood seeing his parents fight and even though he didn't show it very well, he did care for Max and didn't want her to end up like his mother... but that's just a theory!!! ❤️

  • @teruhiiko
    @teruhiiko Жыл бұрын

    I love Billy, nice choice for Horror History! I'd love to see one for Brenner.

  • @scottjones845
    @scottjones845 Жыл бұрын

    I loved that his sacrifice involved him "planting his feet to take the charge". What was used to alpha Steve was used to save El.

  • @gloriarominahernandeznoriega
    @gloriarominahernandeznoriega Жыл бұрын

    He was my favorite character, I almost couldn't keep on watching the series.

  • @izadorad
    @izadorad Жыл бұрын

    The duffle brothers have said this in an interview with vulture: Billy is racist, I think. It’s [reflective of] people that he’s viewing as different from him and an overall rage at the world. In this case, seeing his sister with someone like Lucas leads to that conversation." But, also, any way [Billy] can find a reason to attack Max, he’ll use it. We wanted to be honest about what an interracial relationship like that would do, and how certain characters would react, and how a character like Billy would really react to that." So yeah, billy was lowkey prejudice and racist towards Lucas.

  • @daft_j

    @daft_j

    Жыл бұрын

    And his dad Neil was definitely a racist. His dad wasn’t just racist, but also homophobic, and misogynistic as hell

  • @izadorad

    @izadorad

    Жыл бұрын

    @@daft_j yep! And I hate that people are Turing a blind eye and saying that not everything is about race. Lucas is a black teen in the 80s from a small town that is majority white, people were still small minded about race in the 80s interracial marriage in some states were still illegal!

  • @daft_j

    @daft_j

    Жыл бұрын

    @@izadorad And the 80s had racism written all over it since Reagan targeted black people. So, seeing people like Neil pass his prejudice and racism down to Billy is no surprise to me. That and Lucas would hear a variety of racist terms from subtle cues to overt racism since small town folks aren’t always friendly to black people, even when they’re kids.

  • @MissAlmostFine

    @MissAlmostFine

    Жыл бұрын

    @@izadorad Exactly. The few times anti-black racism has been highlighted in this series has been the covert, microagressive kind that happens and ppl(who are uncomfortable with discussions of racism) can try to explain away or gaslight the victim in the situation and say it's about something else other than race.

  • @leland5077
    @leland5077 Жыл бұрын

    I feel like he did not have enough screen time I wish we could have seen more about this character

  • @kindaouttaluck6328
    @kindaouttaluck6328 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for doing my favorite character!

  • @07ghostworld
    @07ghostworld Жыл бұрын

    SPOILER ALERT!vecna said billy was weak and not brave Vecna needs to get a bowl of popcorn and watch season 3 he sacrificed his life so el could live

  • @superplushworld8078
    @superplushworld8078 Жыл бұрын

    Great vid bro love the channel keep it up bro

  • @_dxsirxzz
    @_dxsirxzz Жыл бұрын

    Big big fan of this thank you for making mine/ our day 💕💕

  • @ml4757
    @ml4757 Жыл бұрын

    Say, where was Billy born again? Slipped my mind.

  • @hxnax4746

    @hxnax4746

    Жыл бұрын

    California right?

  • @ml4757

    @ml4757

    Жыл бұрын

    @@hxnax4746 No way!

  • @Venom-ym9yx
    @Venom-ym9yx Жыл бұрын

    The "Oh Yeah" that played when Eleven sent him through the wall, got me rolling. Great edit!

  • @knightjedi666
    @knightjedi666 Жыл бұрын

    Fantastic video CZ, thank you.

  • @gluewz1318
    @gluewz1318 Жыл бұрын

    He's the kind of half "antagonist" character that I really love

  • @ocdmusic
    @ocdmusic Жыл бұрын

    Loving these character histories. Such an amazing breakdown :) Can't wait to see the next season lol long wait ahead.

  • @ocdmusic

    @ocdmusic

    Жыл бұрын

    Also I forgot Stand By Me was based on a Stephen King story and didn't realise it was seat around Castle Rock or that Keifer Sutherland played Ace Merril lol def need a rewatch, not seen that film in a long long time.

  • @ItsNaLa23

    @ItsNaLa23

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ocdmusic gxha

  • @ocdmusic

    @ocdmusic

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ItsNaLa23 ?

  • @hotpinkcrayolas
    @hotpinkcrayolas Жыл бұрын

    Are we gonna ignore the Vecna-ness of his final scene with the Mindflayer? Him and 001 even share similar hair 😂 x

  • @lulivila9425
    @lulivila9425 Жыл бұрын

    I think max knew what it was because they were using it to put will to sleeep

  • @jackreid1275
    @jackreid1275 Жыл бұрын

    I wish we got more billy human

  • @kellyel1812
    @kellyel1812 Жыл бұрын

    i feel so bad for Billy, he took influence from the people around him A.K.A his father etc, i didnt think he deserved to die over it though. nonetheless, rest i n peace billy

  • @1OO984
    @1OO984 Жыл бұрын

    I love your videos thank you for doing so much research with all your videos 😁

  • @sophiewilliams8580
    @sophiewilliams8580 Жыл бұрын

    I heard when you reference to Billy Nolan from Carrie bc of the Stephen King influences but I think it's also interesting that they made his last name Hargroves, could that be play on Hargensen as in Chris Hargensen, also a human villain from Carrie? Also the name Chris as in Chrissy from season 4? Just a loose thought there I guess.

  • @CZsWorld

    @CZsWorld

    Жыл бұрын

    I could see it

  • @sophiewilliams8580

    @sophiewilliams8580

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CZsWorld 😃

  • @justaguy5862

    @justaguy5862

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CZsWorld I hate to ask on a random comment but why do you hate Nancy? ( If you do )

  • @waddlez7192
    @waddlez7192 Жыл бұрын

    I love this character SO much

  • @incurrencesclapz2288
    @incurrencesclapz2288 Жыл бұрын

    Billy would slam Henry

  • @Dschoel.

    @Dschoel.

    Ай бұрын

    Frrrr

  • @abi328
    @abi328 Жыл бұрын

    This makes me want to rewatch it

  • @levikanipe3840
    @levikanipe3840 Жыл бұрын

    thanks for all ur hard work love ur videos man

  • @nightshadowsstudios
    @nightshadowsstudios Жыл бұрын

    love your videos

  • @psychosparten049.esquire9
    @psychosparten049.esquire9 Жыл бұрын

    I honestly don’t even wanna skip the ads sometimes, like, it’s so goddamn professional. Also Billy is best bad guy.

  • @mangle3019
    @mangle3019 Жыл бұрын

    Omgg yes!😄 I've been waiting for this😁

  • @NyiaKh
    @NyiaKh Жыл бұрын

    “I think she might be afraid” I LOST IT 😂😂

  • @J3ss_7
    @J3ss_7 Жыл бұрын

    Please make one on Eddie Munson ❤️

  • @ultra2251
    @ultra2251 Жыл бұрын

    can you do Brenner's History? I feel like that would be interesting.

  • @hanat6009
    @hanat6009 Жыл бұрын

    I was waiting for this one👌👌👌

  • @kadennii.
    @kadennii. Жыл бұрын

    YOOO CZ UPLOADED

  • @SjofnBM1989
    @SjofnBM1989 Жыл бұрын

    he wasn't working out to be healthy he was working out to LOOK GOOD.

  • @kassykreutzer6972
    @kassykreutzer6972 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you cz 😊😁😀

  • @kassykreutzer6972
    @kassykreutzer6972 Жыл бұрын

    Made my morning

  • @kennykugley6334
    @kennykugley63348 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the information

  • @gracegallagher2683
    @gracegallagher2683 Жыл бұрын

    Love this

  • @heathercontois4501
    @heathercontois4501 Жыл бұрын

    I would say what shapes Bill is not his father's fury, but that his mother left him there with him.

  • @aroundtheworldaroundthewor691
    @aroundtheworldaroundthewor691 Жыл бұрын

    stop saying dominate, your making me think of all the fanfic i’ve seen

  • @itirelengthamaga8304
    @itirelengthamaga8304 Жыл бұрын

    I like the way u repeated California so much times I laughed so had I even repeated it again and again

  • @fvckkanko
    @fvckkanko Жыл бұрын

    Eddie deserves a horror history episode

  • @gnat1731
    @gnat1731 Жыл бұрын

    if you make one on eddie it would be so sad😭 i’m just waiting to see what happens in season 5 first

  • @johnnyblaze8439
    @johnnyblaze8439 Жыл бұрын

    Hell yeah your attention to detail is awesome.

  • @itstheguyfromthething
    @itstheguyfromthething Жыл бұрын

    I just finished the series. And this is making me more sad 😭

  • @jkkhrrgv
    @jkkhrrgv Жыл бұрын

    It makes me sad because he was abused like the most part of his life, he never could do something for him because he was serving his dad. Everyone comes first in his “family”, he was serving his sister too, looking after her all the time. Then he was tormented and abused from a kind of monster. He probably felt weak and vulnerable, powerless and scared all the time, that’s why he tried to protect the most he could his sister (and he was right btw because now she is fighting monster and could be killed any time like we saw in s4) and he died trying to protect her. He was a martir tbh he was angry, yes, but he was only 17-18 years old, he could be saved. Also he was not an asshole to everyone, he was an asshole to people who made him feel treated.

  • @jkkhrrgv

    @jkkhrrgv

    Жыл бұрын

    Also I forget to mention that Karen is such a predator

  • @rebeccagray5464
    @rebeccagray5464 Жыл бұрын

    Billy is also inspired by Rob Lowe’s character from St Elmo’s Fire ( also named Billy)

  • @RoxanneFoster79
    @RoxanneFoster79 Жыл бұрын

    I like your sense of humor great video

  • @iloveraidianshougon9601
    @iloveraidianshougon9601 Жыл бұрын

    I love your videos I was wondering if u could do the history of slappy from goosebumps

  • @fitnessfocusofficial
    @fitnessfocusofficial Жыл бұрын

    In my opinion he is one of the greatest charecters ever created

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