Stop Tennis Elbow Pain Now! (3 Minute Self-Treatment)

Stop Tennis Elbow Pain Now! (3 Minute Self-Treatment)
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Bob and Brad demonstrate how to self treat your tennis elbow pain.
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0:23 Topic
1:41 How to Treat Tennis Elbow
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  • @user-ld2ey5zu4z
    @user-ld2ey5zu4z4 ай бұрын

    My right arm/elbow was in almost constant pain. I was skeptical of this approach, but after seeing a physiotherapist, doing the stretches that were suggested and getting no relief for several months, I tried it. Within two days my arm felt better. Too bad the physiotherapist I saw, either didn’t listen to my explanation of my condition or was unfamiliar with what could be done. Thank you so much for creating this video. It changed my life!

  • @randyschwaggins
    @randyschwaggins2 ай бұрын

    I'm a guy in his 40s from the UK and I play cricket at amateur level. I understand that you may not be familiar with the game but I am a batsman and I started developing tennis elbow a couple of years ago. It would flare up and then subside on its own every so often and I bought a forearm strap to help when I played - and it did help. This year though the tennis elbow got worse and worse in pre season practice and I played the first game of the season in agony combined with a huge loss of grip strength in my right forearm. I am a leftie so my right arm provides the majority of support and power to my shots as a batter in cricket. Needliess to say, my first game this year was a huge struggle and I was in huge pain afterwards. I went to the physio and he recommended a bunch of exercises which helped temporarily but then the pain would come back within 5 minutes. I was considering a cortisone injection but then stumbled across your video....and all I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! I followed the simple things with the butter knife and the massage gun for 10 minutes and it has led to a 70% reduction in pain....and the pain reduction has lasted for over an hour!!!! That is literally after just 10 minutes!!!! Thank you so so much for this....I will continue this regime on a daily basis and I have ordered the strap you recommended as well....I will wear this during games. I cant say enough to express how grateful I am - the pain of this injury was becoming really difficult to live with.

  • @iamher6422
    @iamher64222 жыл бұрын

    I love the way Bob and Brad work together as a team unlike others who try to outshine the each other

  • @rawdah786
    @rawdah7862 жыл бұрын

    The self treatment starts at 3:54

  • @shimmyjamily

    @shimmyjamily

    3 ай бұрын

    You're a real one! Thank you

  • @honkymonkey9568
    @honkymonkey956811 ай бұрын

    The repetitive motion of shoveling the butter knife down my right arm gave me tennis elbow in my left arm

  • @jasonwhelan12

    @jasonwhelan12

    8 ай бұрын

    😂😂😂

  • @phoenixinflight1608

    @phoenixinflight1608

    4 ай бұрын

    🥴

  • @christiancasaboza8608

    @christiancasaboza8608

    2 ай бұрын

    😂😂😂

  • @xbenxwilsonxhighlights7879
    @xbenxwilsonxhighlights78792 жыл бұрын

    Blood flow is key to healing tendons. Because they are very low blood supply you need to pump alot of blood into the area. In a painfree way

  • @karenfellman7518
    @karenfellman75182 жыл бұрын

    Boy guys I needed this ! Tennis elbow is so painful ! God bless you two ! Thank you !

  • @kingbee1971
    @kingbee1971 Жыл бұрын

    You 2 helped me rehab my shoulders through hanging, now I can't wait to try this technique on my tennis elbow that flaired up recently. All the best to you both!

  • @racoonman100
    @racoonman1002 ай бұрын

    Bob and Brad I share your channel with every single person that I can. Every time people let me know they are happy with the help you’ve given. You have helped me and so many others. I just shared this with a lady at work today and she has just thanked me after hours. I’ve actually shared your channel with three people today. If god needs to bless anyone it’s you guys, you have helped people who aren’t well off to find help and healing and humour which I love by the way. God bless you both and may your practice prosper no end. Kindest regards. Paul Perth Western Australia.

  • @careylee2595
    @careylee25952 жыл бұрын

    Hi Bob and Brad, thank you for your sound and helpful physio advice. Helps to keep me going pain free. And Bob, no worries about the slurring. Keep up the good work and keep well!

  • @cbrown610
    @cbrown6102 жыл бұрын

    Wow, I have been dealing with this for months and then this video pops up. And I have been referring to Bob & Brad for a while now, but never thought to seek help here for my elbow. Good one!

  • @Nickpetikas
    @Nickpetikas3 ай бұрын

    Bob and Brad save the day again! Recently began routesetting in a rock climbing gym 3-4 times per week. The repetitive tricep extension motion of ascending ropes gave me a good case of tennis elbow. Thankful for this channel and the heartfelt advice.

  • @GenRN
    @GenRN2 жыл бұрын

    This is EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED! Y’all cured my Achilles tendonitis and now I’m counting on my tennis elbow to be fixed. Thanks y’all!!!

  • @custerranch

    @custerranch

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, did it work?

  • @GenRN

    @GenRN

    Жыл бұрын

    @@custerranch actually yes along with physical therapy. I also since this figured out the source of my tendon issues. Taking Cipro (antibiotic) has pretty much crippled me. I’m still working on healing from the damage from that drug. Do not take any fluroquinalone antibiotics!!!

  • @timw7772
    @timw77722 жыл бұрын

    You two are the best. Thank you.

  • @Healingwithflo
    @Healingwithflo2 жыл бұрын

    3 min self treatment in a ten min video 😍 I absolutely love these two thank u! My elbow has tennis elbow and I’ve never ever touched a tennis ball 🤣🤣

  • @akmediascope
    @akmediascope2 жыл бұрын

    So good!

  • @STorres017
    @STorres0173 ай бұрын

    Wowza that made such a difference!! Thank you !!

  • @HerbalND
    @HerbalND2 жыл бұрын

    This was great information. Thank you!

  • @lindabrunet4961
    @lindabrunet49612 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this info, I bowl several times a week a have had tennis elbow troubles for several years, definitely trying these

  • @mimig.8560
    @mimig.85606 ай бұрын

    I will try this. Thank you🙏🏼

  • @FarmerYuHaden
    @FarmerYuHaden2 жыл бұрын

    🔥 keep teaching thank you

  • @exclusivedogtraining3409
    @exclusivedogtraining340911 ай бұрын

    Thank you for these tips!

  • @bibbycooper2
    @bibbycooper22 жыл бұрын

    I truly appreciate your desire to help people. I personally have learned so much and share with family & friends. Say hi to your moms. Best wishes to all. Bibby

  • @fabriennevanetten6426
    @fabriennevanetten642610 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much! 😊

  • @kattykit1710
    @kattykit17104 ай бұрын

    You all are serious life savers! Thank you!

  • @BobandBrad

    @BobandBrad

    4 ай бұрын

    That's great to hear, thank you so much!

  • @DescartesDooley
    @DescartesDooley6 ай бұрын

    So, this is for those of you that are experiencing long term pain that is seemingly chronic. Its been 6 months for me. I had tried both rest and physio exercises, and a combination of both. I had days of relief, but in general, the issues were ongoing. Then, I discovered the Athlean X kettle bell routine for tennis elbow. This was the beginning of realization. The kettle routine was giving me relief but not permanent. I did start to notice that when this routine popped my elbow joints, I would get almost instant relief, but with residual tenderness at the tendon. To be expected I suppose for a tendon under constant strain. So, I remembered I had seen one or two vids that suggested some Tennis elbow is actual a fruit of joint dysfunction and misalignment. I went back and sought out more vids on this issue, and came up with a couple of exercises/movements that are designed to pop the joint back into alignment. Guess what, I went from having a day of pain and restricted motion to near instant relief. So, for me at least it seems my joint is out of whack. This makes sense for me. I was aggressively chopping wood when I triggered my Tennis elbow. So, for me at least, it seems I need to focus on alignment and also strengthening arm the muscles. This goes for the shoulder too. I'm taking a holistic approach to building my arm back up. Good luck. UPDATE: 4 months after posting this comment I am more or less back to normal feeling and function with my elbow. It does want to slip out of alignment from time to time, but a simple pop stretch movement usually sets things back. I have been in good shape for quite a while. Initially I was doing popping and stretching several times a day for the first few weeks before my elbow was comfortable being back in alignment . I will continue to pop and build back muscle strength as needed.

  • @dentalcarediva3400
    @dentalcarediva340015 күн бұрын

    This treatment has helped like none other! I’ve been doing it almost daily for about 2 weeks and the pain is almost gone!! I also started doing it going up the upper part of the arm and also lightly rubbing the affected area. Thank you so much, it was really painful until I did this!

  • @BarbecueTricks
    @BarbecueTricks Жыл бұрын

    Great video- I think this will help!

  • @ishankrishdutt6883
    @ishankrishdutt68832 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @Zwikster
    @Zwikster3 ай бұрын

    These guys are hilarious

  • @Lorrieonline
    @Lorrieonline11 ай бұрын

    My "go to" team - thank you!!!

  • @DarthRektar
    @DarthRektar2 жыл бұрын

    I was literally going to search through your videos for this and it was just posted lol

  • @stevemargolis5514
    @stevemargolis551411 ай бұрын

    Then watching you guys for years. Thank you for being there. I have a sore elbow.And now I know what it was and is. And I also know that I need to back off lifting dumbells for a while. I have one of those guns you have that you used for your elbow

  • @stevemargolis5514

    @stevemargolis5514

    11 ай бұрын

    Finishing that sentence the gun , I did not know really how to use it until just now thank you guys

  • @user-hl4de6jl2l
    @user-hl4de6jl2l4 ай бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @BobandBrad

    @BobandBrad

    4 ай бұрын

    You are very welcome

  • @arielmalanga
    @arielmalanga7 күн бұрын

    Thank you very much. I have tennis elbow from weight-lifting. I'll try this method of treating it. 💠

  • @ZachAscot
    @ZachAscot2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you B&B. Please could you do a video for extensor tendonitis on top of the foot that would be seriously appreciated and helpful! thank you

  • @jamisheltonTEXASREALTOR
    @jamisheltonTEXASREALTOR Жыл бұрын

    I just love you guys! I am always smiling through the pain when I'm watching your videos. Currently, I'm smiling through tennis elbow in BOTH elbows from pickleball! How does THAT happen?! And, plantar fasciitis!

  • @raynbow6
    @raynbow6Ай бұрын

    Thanks again gentlemen. From busted shoulders you helped me with before, to having slight tennis elbow on both arms - caused from work in the garden I suspect. I know this will work a treat. Cheers

  • @kawikadee9670
    @kawikadee967011 ай бұрын

    Thank you Bob & Brad the knife trick worked. 🎾

  • @paypalmymoneydfs
    @paypalmymoneydfs8 ай бұрын

    I can't rest I gotta lift weights for my mental health

  • @Justafayze

    @Justafayze

    3 ай бұрын

    Same!

  • @medicone7019

    @medicone7019

    Ай бұрын

    Bet!

  • @chickaboom101
    @chickaboom1018 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @BobandBrad

    @BobandBrad

    8 ай бұрын

    Thank you for your support! Take care!!

  • @elainenilsson5472
    @elainenilsson54722 жыл бұрын

    I had it for a year and a half from using a weed eater. The solution was to stop gripping with the middle finger. I learned to use my index finger instead of the middle finger for pulling the trigger.

  • @xbenxwilsonxhighlights7879
    @xbenxwilsonxhighlights78792 жыл бұрын

    I used a hammer to hit a tyre in the pain free zone. But it gives you massive blood flow to the area and it healed up nicely .

  • @mbustube1
    @mbustube18 ай бұрын

    I hope this works. Picking up thirty bags of sand with one arm was a big mistake. 68 year old elbow ia still pissed off.

  • @David-Dumont
    @David-Dumont2 жыл бұрын

    Tnk u

  • @user-ct3er1rw6f
    @user-ct3er1rw6f2 жыл бұрын

    Thx, guys. Never realised caused by the backhand groundstroke but that figures. Try and keep elbow tucked in when playing this stroke to prevent injury.

  • @dmf1029
    @dmf10292 жыл бұрын

    Great video, guys. I seem to get tennis elbow every March after a winter of snow shovelling and cross country skiing. Should I be working with weights more throughout the year to try to strengthen the arm so that I don’t go through this on an annual basis?

  • @griopfrew3260
    @griopfrew32602 жыл бұрын

    Best...👍👍👍👍

  • @cynthiabrown4327
    @cynthiabrown43272 жыл бұрын

    I’m having trouble with my left bicep aching. I bought a strap (like the tennis elbow strap) to see if it will help. I’ve been researching it.

  • @psikofan
    @psikofan Жыл бұрын

    I wondering ir is a good idea to try infiltration? I have this pain for more that 5 months, thanks a lot for the wonderful and useful tips. Regards from Toronto.

  • @Badj4s
    @Badj4sАй бұрын

    Did the massage by rolling a cup on there, essentially the same. But, it seems to have given quite a bit of relief!!

  • @charlotteeardly7235
    @charlotteeardly7235Ай бұрын

    You two are lovely xx

  • @icedteamama176
    @icedteamama1762 жыл бұрын

    Very helpful and you guys are funny 😄

  • @BobandBrad

    @BobandBrad

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad you think so!

  • @WillieJu
    @WillieJu9 ай бұрын

    I dont even play tennis, has a desk job, pushing a computer mouse around the whole day, and I have been getting this elbow pain now for a month or 3. Will try these techniques and see if it helps, as I have been taking some ant-inflammatory meds (diclofenac) but it only works for a short while.

  • @rachaad
    @rachaad2 жыл бұрын

    also using your thumb press down hard while rotaing your forarm back and forth .. it hurt as hell but once you done the pain will stop instantly . do it for 30 sec

  • @sepandsiassi6352
    @sepandsiassi6352 Жыл бұрын

    Great video. But if one had the option to do either the knife method or the massage guns, which one would be better?

  • @brendakirk7250
    @brendakirk72502 жыл бұрын

    I’ve had tennis elbow issues for 1.5 years now. I cannot seem to get it to go away. It lessens some and then comes right back. I’ll keep working on it though.

  • @heathermccall5385

    @heathermccall5385

    4 ай бұрын

    Did you fix it? If so what was the best things you did?

  • @brendakirk7250

    @brendakirk7250

    4 ай бұрын

    @@heathermccall5385 Actually I did fix it. I could hardly believe it worked but I had an appointment to get a deep tissue massage and the guy asked if there was anything specific that I wanted him to focus on. I told him about my tennis elbow so he worked on it extra in addition to the rest of the massage. I could hardly believe the pain went away and I was able to get back to all my normal daily tasks pain free. I also was able to workout again pain free. I have been pain free after that one deep tissue massage. I am assuming I just couldn’t put enough pressure in all directions on my own. Even though I am pain free I still massage that area on my own or with a massage gun periodically to keep everything loosened up in that area as preventative maintenance.

  • @Courage10.18
    @Courage10.182 жыл бұрын

    Hmm I have tone & spasticity in those forearm muscles (also in my calf) from a stroke. Would the raking and massage gun used as you have shown help to reduce and keep it at bay with continued treatment as if I had tennis elbow?

  • @juliettesthoughts1031
    @juliettesthoughts10312 жыл бұрын

    Question.... Why does my arm lock up.....and then CRACK painfully? I cannot figure it out. The inability to move and then the paingul pop sound scares me. Most of my joints do this honestly. I was gifted a percussion massage thingy....but is says do not use it on bones. I share your content and truly appreciate your time and energy! Thank you!!

  • @smatchimo645

    @smatchimo645

    2 жыл бұрын

    lol my arm just did this the other day. I'm used to it normally but this time i was lifting a 25 lb weight and my arm locked up and cracked like you said. im guessing it's a matter of stretching, or not stretching enough.

  • @craigborgardt6396
    @craigborgardt63968 ай бұрын

    Thank you for a nice video. I have used heat applications especially first thing in the morning...Microwave gel pack, heating pad or even a hot shower. Heat decreases acute pain more than anything I've tried and I've heard because heat relaxes the muscle as well as increasing blood flow. Nighttime is my biggest challenge as I like to sleep with arms curled up but haven't yet tried a brace or splint.

  • @grannyoffive1313

    @grannyoffive1313

    7 ай бұрын

    I recently started to use a wrist brace at night… Another video suggested this ...I don't seem to be waking up in the morning as achy and I am able to sleep through the night more often now… it's not a miracle cure by any means, but I do seem to be getting a little relief… I've had tennis elbow for about 2 1/2 months now. I think the brace keeps my wrist from moving, which seems to help my tennis elbow… I hope this might help you.

  • @craigborgardt6396

    @craigborgardt6396

    7 ай бұрын

    @@grannyoffive1313 Thank you. I will try that. I have avoided nighttime braces around the elbow or forearm but this might be worth a try. I think I actually have both tennis elbow and carpal tunnel syndrome. SOme days it's better, other days not but I'm not doing much with it as I'm recovering from ear surgery. Thanks for the thoughts.

  • @mindymay3
    @mindymay39 ай бұрын

    So my left elbow just started. My right elbow has had this for 7 years! I've tried so many methods (probably didn't stay with them long enough), and actually just finished 9 sessions of PT on the original one. I'm going to do this video for both arms and will stay with it. Do you think my right elbow has any chance after all these years? (My job is pretty physical, hopefully will be retiring in a few more months.) Thank you both. Miss you Bob! 🥰😘

  • @DescartesDooley

    @DescartesDooley

    6 ай бұрын

    check our @athleanx and his tennis elbow video

  • @timmurphy3609
    @timmurphy36099 ай бұрын

    And the best songwriter in 2nd grade

  • @ssmelche
    @ssmelche2 жыл бұрын

    How soon after PRP injection is it ok to do this?

  • @patriciahankel911
    @patriciahankel9112 жыл бұрын

    Can tens be used for the pain

  • @philiprogers1626
    @philiprogers1626 Жыл бұрын

    Coul you use a roller or does this not have the same affect?

  • @jmr9735
    @jmr973510 ай бұрын

    Okay, I'm officially a little creeped out. I'm having elbow pain. I haven't done any Google searches for info or anything like that. Lo and behold, this year old video popped up in my recommendations. Yikes!

  • @bobblick7963

    @bobblick7963

    2 ай бұрын

    Just like Target stores know you're pregnant before you do. The news articles are from a few years ago, but worth finding and reading!

  • @bg147
    @bg1474 ай бұрын

    That is awesome and I have a butter knife, lol.

  • @60Seconds06
    @60Seconds062 жыл бұрын

    love your videos! can you guys do one on shin splints? thank you for your help

  • @JesseBrownstein
    @JesseBrownstein10 ай бұрын

    I've read somewhere that doing bicep curls can help. True? I would think curling is worse if it requires you to grip.

  • @isoawe1888
    @isoawe18882 жыл бұрын

    You guys need to add a wrist immobilizer to your treatment recommendations.

  • @heathermccall5385
    @heathermccall53854 ай бұрын

    Is it normal for your hand to go numb at night? Almost every position does that when sleeping. My pointer and middle finger has been painful and swollen for months too. Im not sure if its related. I was diagnosed with it but the dr was pretty vegue with answers.

  • @dennisfboston4543
    @dennisfboston4543 Жыл бұрын

    I have both tennis and golfers elbow. From lifting weights im 58 hatd to do both ateas

  • @joseenoel8093
    @joseenoel80932 жыл бұрын

    Better to have been with the wrong side of the tracks where no tennis 🎾 was played and pickle ball is a "You're kidding right?" scenario 'cause 🎶 "Everyday is Saturday night but I can't wait for Sunday morning 🌄🎶!

  • @MyGully1
    @MyGully12 жыл бұрын

    Please Bob and Brad I’ve been watchingNd taking your advice for at least 5 years. I am 67, female and have had 7spinal fusions. The cervical and the rest lumbar. From L2 down. I am desperate. The Last one L2 was a cage, entry from the left. It has left me miserable. I walk hunched over after a short time. Then cannot do things as I hope. I am losing strength just writing this. Please I am desperate. The specialist wants me to get injections up and down. -nerve burns. In the past it doesn’t work. Give me migraines. I understand that as you go upon fusions you lose stability. Pleas help. I will sneer any questions. Please help, like I said I a desperate. S Kathy

  • @lesliejacobs3002

    @lesliejacobs3002

    Жыл бұрын

    I hope you found some help..

  • @Stonelyrics1
    @Stonelyrics1 Жыл бұрын

    Doesn't Help me because I broke my dominant left radius & forced to use right which is more painful than broken arm. Been trying ice. Even a wrist wrap above elbow

  • @Radicallambschannel
    @Radicallambschannel2 жыл бұрын

    Years ago I had tennis elbow and now my elbow is so tender that even if i lightly hit it on something the pain is so intense that i get nauseous and almost pass out. Why is it so tender?

  • @08leonardtan
    @08leonardtan10 ай бұрын

    What exercises to avoid having a tennis elbow? Please notice me. Thanks!

  • @DescartesDooley

    @DescartesDooley

    6 ай бұрын

    dont do lateral raises. Check out the athleanx video on tennis elbow

  • @ChaosDaKid209
    @ChaosDaKid209 Жыл бұрын

    4:33 scraping starts!

  • @archaicanarch5567
    @archaicanarch5567Ай бұрын

    Gua Sha, Graston, Butter Knife. A rose by any other name...

  • @jbhook1339
    @jbhook1339Ай бұрын

    I have 'guitar' elbow. Same deal.

  • @BobandBrad

    @BobandBrad

    Ай бұрын

    Sorry to hear that, hopefully this helped you!

  • @xbadandy182x
    @xbadandy182x2 жыл бұрын

    Hey guys. Fellow Minnesotan here. Can you please.. please... PLEASE give us a good video on insertional achilles tendonitis / tendonopathy? It's so difficult to find good information on it in general and would love go hear your spin on it. I can't find any source online anywhere that specifically says when and how its okay to gradually move in to dorsiflexion of the bad leg. Thanks guys. Desperate for some advice. 2 months in to trying to figure this injury out and really getting depressed and anxious about it.

  • @customvansixtyfive8337
    @customvansixtyfive8337Ай бұрын

    Metal detecting. 👌

  • @TennisElbowCure-xd7bq
    @TennisElbowCure-xd7bq16 күн бұрын

    First find out what is causing your tennis elbow before trying out any treatments or exercises: 1. Is it weak forearm muscles/joints? 2. Is it incorrect playing/hitting technique? 3. Is it something else? Watch this video to find out more ---> kzread.info/dash/bejne/qaltwcGrqJm6oLA.html

  • @markwalters7498
    @markwalters74982 ай бұрын

    Snow shoveling. Best cure is move to Florida!

  • @sues232
    @sues2327 ай бұрын

    Who are these guys? 😂😂😂

  • @carlyn555
    @carlyn5558 ай бұрын

    The last method is like guasha and cupping from Chinese Medicine.

  • @BobandBrad

    @BobandBrad

    8 ай бұрын

    Thank you for watching!

  • @Sydneywizard
    @Sydneywizard5 ай бұрын

    Blow me over. It works!

  • @ef5842
    @ef58422 жыл бұрын

    My aunt married a Sicilian. He came to NYC at age of 4. I love being around Italians because of him. They had a nice family together.

  • @krisowler367
    @krisowler3676 ай бұрын

    Gua sha (Kerokan)😅

  • @davidakiva7963
    @davidakiva79632 жыл бұрын

    My tennis elbow won't go away

  • @garyloomis4961
    @garyloomis4961Ай бұрын

    Wow...these guys mumbled so much. They sound like they've been drinking for hours..LOL

  • @AdrepKeith
    @AdrepKeith2 жыл бұрын

    Here's a true interesting story of how I healed my tennis elbow. I got tennis elbow from throwing a tennis ball for my dog to chase. I threw the ball with a plastic arm length special thrower. So I ended up with tennis elbow. It wasn't really painful just annoying as hell. I had it for around a month. At the time I was collecting crystals and stones as a simple hobby. I read somewhere that Red Jasper was a healing stone. I purchased a small polished piece of it and followed the instructions for healing. I recited a short prayer holding the stone in my hand asking arc angel Michael to help me heal my tennis elbow. Following instructions I placed it under my pillow before retiring. I am a solid sleeper and rarely have trouble sleeping but that night I was tossing and turning over and over. Left side right side over and over. At late early morning I turned over and there was an audible pop in my right shoulder. My tennis elbow was GONE! Strange but true story. Perhaps that stone could help others with their ailments. Got nothing to lose the way I see it. Please report back to me of your results.