The shameless and unfiltered love for Jack Vs Afro brings me life!

@badrat484

2 жыл бұрын

Best one in the whole series in my opinion

@esteban8471

2 жыл бұрын

@@badrat484 The best episode for me is still Wolverine vs Raiden. An amazing episode with good analysis and one of the best 3D fights they've ever done, easily on par with their latest 3D episodes even half a decade later.

@alexbaribeault

2 жыл бұрын

@@esteban8471 I think the two best episodes are the only Metal Gear episodes.

@esteban8471

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexbaribeault I love Snake vs Sam, but the outdated 3D models hold it back slightly for me. It's still a great episode though, don't get me wrong. It's easily top 10 material. Wolverine vs Raiden not only has good models that look good even by modern Death Battle standards, but has all the things I like. Good banter, stellar choreography, fast paced action, solid back and forth and references that don't feel forced or out of place, all concluding with a spectacular finale that not many people were expecting.

@somethingswrongicanfeelit5688

2 жыл бұрын

@@badrat484 Objectively the best Death Battle is Rogue vs Wonder Woman because Boomstick said so and he would never lie.

Almost all these episodes have one notable “thing” Beast vs Goliath: Golden Tree feat Scrooge vs Shovel Knight: Rake quote Jack vs Afro: Beautiful hand-drawn animation Ben vs Hal: *Literally Everything*

@derrickhaggard

2 жыл бұрын

The real issue with Beast vs. Goliath was they didn't fight with the proper portrayal of the characters aka they fought like mindless bloodthirsty monsters instead of fighting like the tactical geniuses they're known for being, heck Wiz even states during both segments of the pre-analysis both Goliath and Hank are known for being strategic fighters heroes that prefer to use their brains in combination with their superhuman physical stats, and they only go berserker monster when angered, and not once in the fight did we see them use tactics or strategy.

@pesciisthebestcharacter5100

2 жыл бұрын

@@derrickhaggard the real issue with Beast vs Goliath is that it's so fucking boring and literally nobody cares about it.

@yulthedoof6907

2 жыл бұрын

Time huh

@pesciisthebestcharacter5100

2 жыл бұрын

@@yulthedoof6907 I appreciate you inquiring me of this useful information.

@sumguy9793

2 жыл бұрын

@@pesciisthebestcharacter5100 that’s so true

Ok so, that one frame that distracted you was a single frame of my Storyboards and the editor oh so graciously forgot to overlay that with one extra frame of the fight so huh. I always wanted people to see my boards but not like that. The Star transformation sequence was all me, (Along with the Warnicorn stampede shot, rabbits, Stevens Death, and the shattered Gem) it means a lot to here that it was much batter than my last sequence with Ryuko, "Oh wow, what do ya know, if ya give me enough time to polish my work it'll come out better then when you just spring it on me without warning!" (Still love this job but come on with that.) I swear Steven didn't grow boobs! I didn't think the effects that Luis was going to add would make it look like that. But I guess I can mostly blame myself since I did give him pretty rounded and broad shoulders so it looks like his chest bled into them when the lighting was added. Happy you liked the fight, to be honest I was not on the same page the first time around, after about 4 watches it grew on me. And considering I'm more of a writer and storyboard artist it definitely means a lot when my animation work turns out to be good enough.

@frankwest5388

2 жыл бұрын

Well if it means anything, for the most part I liked it. There were some awkward scenes and I felt like the death didn’t have a strong feeling of impact or force, but most other things were great. I especially liked the transformation sequence with Star a lot. It felt smooth and pretty natural. So overall, good job

@redshepherd32

2 жыл бұрын

okay, yeah that's understandable. I was wondering if his chest was just exaggerated for stylistic effect or the shoulder details were missing XD for what it's worth, the ryuko death was okay to me.

@Universal_Fro

2 жыл бұрын

@@redshepherd32 That was Luis, I only did the transformation.

@esteban8471

2 жыл бұрын

I think the Ryuko transformation looked great for something done under two weeks. Literally the only thing I thought looked slightly off was the ending shot where her face looked kinda blurry. But the sequence itself looked pretty good imo.

Didn't really think about the fact that when Star's eyes are giant behind the Unicorns, she kinda looks like Yellow Diamond, which might contribute to Steven's break.

@voltingmaster5458

2 жыл бұрын

Clever Touch.

@TylerJayWalker

2 жыл бұрын

Steven could win, but only if he was his ragin kaijuu at the end of future

@skybattler2624

2 жыл бұрын

@@TylerJayWalker Not even that will help him. In fact, Steven turning Kaiju is enough for Star to outright finish him will all the plethora of ways she has access. Worse is the fact that Star has spells for hallucination and calming kaiju steven down in mere seconds

@skybattler2624

2 жыл бұрын

@Kevin Ramos Actually, that is still pretty low ball of Steven's feats. What was not mentioned is that Steven is scaled to White Diamond, who is known to have already wiped a star already. But even so, that is Steven's high balled feat. And we know Star's lowball is already planet buster

@traehignight3642

2 жыл бұрын

@Kevin Ramos Steven is typically believed to be at solar system level and through actual feats and scaling Star is only at large planet(as she doesn’t scale to any of the characters she is compared to besides Moon)

"The genocide from star is a bit out of character" Well... actually...

And to think the reason Afro vs Jack happened the way it did was because Luis got drunk at a Christmas party…

@jansowinski6314

2 жыл бұрын

Wait what

If I recall correctly, the animator for Jack vs Afro was drunk and told Ben he'd do it hand-drawn. Then he woke up the next day with a hangover and thought; "fuck." And apparently the end result was rushed. And, despite all this, it ends up being one of the absolute best episodes in all of Death Battle. It's crazy.

@adry3211

Жыл бұрын

That is actually insane

@daviddow3705

Жыл бұрын

Wait WHAT

Reminder that if you like Elfen Lied there is no weakness to Jack vs Afro Truly the best episode

@sperryyoungerjr.3985

2 жыл бұрын

At the time of that Death Battle, I didn't know what Elfen Lied was and never watched it to this day, so I have no opinion on said anime.

Yeah, my biggest thing against Star vs Steven was the post-battle analysis. They gave Steven like...numbers and stats and determined he was stronger and faster, but gave basically no numbers to back up Star. To someone who doesn't know better, it comes across as 'Star wins because she has magic.' Which, I guess is more or less how she wins regardless, but still. Would've been nice to explain things a little better.

@ajaquino85

2 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed the fight but yeah I agree the post analysis was terrible. They gave Steve actual feats but then there like the book implies or people said that the wand can end the universe therefor Star wins. Steve was given actual feats and Star was just some vague statements.

@e1iteyoshi998

2 жыл бұрын

What it really boiled down to was who had better control of their powers and it was Star. Like when they did the analysis of Silver Samurai and Shredder both combatants were capable of killing each other but it came down to who could deal the final blow first.

@27Bayleefs

2 жыл бұрын

@@e1iteyoshi998 Which is weird because That for me would be Steven. He's far faster, stronger, and more durable. He is also the more intelligent of the two. I thought Steven's speed would give him the edge but I guess I was wrong.

@PlanetZoidstar

2 жыл бұрын

@@ajaquino85 Star's ace in the hole was her universe buster spell...A spell she's never canonically used.

@skybattler2624

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlanetZoidstar Actually, Butterfly Form Star is enough to Obliterate Steven, given that form alone obliterated Toffee, a being that defeated an embodiment of space-time itself.

I feel like Steven vs Star was too short. But what we got definitely wasn't bad.

@pokie7996

2 жыл бұрын

I say it was meh like shadow vs ryuoko it wasn't great but wasn't bad

@esteban8471

2 жыл бұрын

@@pokie7996 I'd say Shadow vs Ryuko was still better but that might be my bias for fast paced fights talking.

I think the problem most people have with the Ben 10 vs Green Lantern fight isn't the animation itself but rather the post analysis itself. They state how Green Lantern's ability to cut off Ben's access to the Omnitrix cannot be stopped be at all, yet if they had actually included it in the research they would've realized that the Omnitrix has multiple failsaves to keep Ben from dying such as a feedback loop which harms anyone trying to remove the Omnitrix off or having him automatically turn into a alien hero which would save him from danger. Not to mention they completely ignored the Sotobro Effect: which states how Chromosapiens can detect when an anomaly with time occurs and sense it. This means that if Hal had tried to go back into to before the fight had started with Ben, X would've sensed it and traveled right to the point where Hal was and intercept him. But that info was conveniently left out in the post analysis. Everyone has always wondered why DB has been accused of having a bias towards DC and episodes like this one are the reason that this show gets this stigma.

@bulb9970

2 жыл бұрын

Thing is, they DID show the failsafe at the start of the fight when Hal tries to remove the omnitrix... but didn’t at Ben’s death. They didn’t explain how Hal could beat the failsafe and the stuff they said about Alien X at the end was straight up wrong. I’m not saying Hal couldn’t beat Ben, he does have some absurd feats and scaling, but if you’re going to have Hal win then explain it in a clear way.

@e1iteyoshi998

2 жыл бұрын

@@bulb9970 Except that was only one failsafe. The Omnitrix has more than one failsafe equipped in its circuits to prevent its user from dying. That feedback loop is only example but there's more than one.

@patrickadetola4153

2 жыл бұрын

@@e1iteyoshi998 The omnitrix only had one failsafe

@KipBlade

2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickadetola4153 bro he has multiple fail safes

@patrickadetola4153

2 жыл бұрын

@@KipBlade It's actually only one and that's to use the self defence pulse blast from anyone trying to damage or forceful removal of the omnitrix itself

I actually felt bad for Steven afterwards. He tried his best but got blasted with a laser AFTER he disarmed Star. He thought it was over but got lasered and his gem broke. I like actually feel bad for him. And that scream tho...

@theguy10n1

2 жыл бұрын

Dude just wanted to eat

@guhbruhmaste4557

2 жыл бұрын

@@theguy10n1 and build sandcastles!

@TylerJayWalker

2 жыл бұрын

At the end of steven universe future he turns into this kaijuu form of death doom and destruction so if they used this form he literally couldn't lose

@darkdee2728

2 жыл бұрын

@@TylerJayWalker *cough cough spell that can destroy a universe*

@ultrastormvalentine5483

2 жыл бұрын

@@darkdee2728 that was a baseless attack that came from a book. Also take into account the size of the universe she destroyed

The fight was too short and Steven didn’t even try to talk no jutsu Star.

@pokie7996

2 жыл бұрын

And star transform to fast

@mohaumoseki3582

2 жыл бұрын

Naruto were in a death battle and he didn't using talk no jutsu on ichigo plus it is a death battle. There is no talking your way out of this.

@shrooms847

2 жыл бұрын

@@mohaumoseki3582 I don’t think he should talk his way out but it’s in character for Steven to try to talk his opponent out at first. With that you could get some more banter and a longer fight.

@dlm292

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like when Star was put in the sand instead going super should’ve popped out of the sand and do the light hearted summon fight and Steven closing the gap but the watermelon Stevens die and Steven feeling very bad stressing him to going pink and going to town and Star getting knocked around causing her to go butterfly and then the all out war happens

@mohaumoseki3582

2 жыл бұрын

@@shrooms847 Yeah but dang character like Steven,Aang etc should learn not talk your way out of your situations because it doesn't always work,this is like talk no jutsu to your bully or killer or murderer but they are too arrogant,oblivious,ego and stubborn to listen.That why actions always speak louder than words.I really hate that.

I really liked Steven vs Star had great sprites great music and some really fun moments. Though I disliked Star’s writing some of it felt rushed especially Pink Steven’s transformation and the post analysis was pretty lackluster but overall I think it’s a great episode. And great video as always Nemesis.

@e1iteyoshi998

2 жыл бұрын

That's exactly how i feel. They gave her powers from Season 4 yet they way they wrote her personality was from when she was back in Season 1. Like i know she was oblivious during the first two seasons but that changed when Season 3 and 4 came into the picture.

@nerdycookiebunny856

2 жыл бұрын

It feels like half of their stuff is rushed now cause usually it would take longer for these episodes or battle to be made..but now they come out a little to quick kinda

Them calling Shovel Knight stupid for no reason was kind of insulting Minor criticism about Jack vs Afro is that it bothers be that they fight with only one hand on their swords even though Jack almost always fights with both hands on his sword. Star vs Steven felt really weak ngl. I don’t know it just didn’t even feel like a fight to the death

@MysteriousTomJenkins

2 жыл бұрын

I find it equally insulting when they called Jin stupid in Ryu vs Jin. Wiz: Good job dumbass, killing the only guy who knows where your mother is. Wow...its almost like Jin has an uncontrollable demon form that took over when he saw Ogre. What a dumbass for...not controlling the powers he's notorious for not being able to control.

The Steven Universe vs Star Butterfly episode was spoiled for me because I listened to the battle music. It's one of the hand full of episodes in which it's music spoils the outcome of the fight.

@DijiOverdrive

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I wish they stop doing that or at least do it far less

Youre version of ben vs hal sounds WAY better. And honestly if ben had to lose, i would be way more satified if they went with your version. Love your vids man.

23:24 The reason why they don't expand on the feats they brought up on the black side bar or even in the episode itself for Hal is a simple and researched answer.....because they were half measures. - Hal "Containing the U-Bomb" a universal weapon was actually measured in Grant Morison's Green Lantern series as "10 to the 44th power Joules". A super nova. It's stated in issue 7, he "Disarmed" it, not contained like they say in the episode. - Hal flying to the edge of the universe and back in an hour in Action Comics #605 has no time table for the span of an hour and is contradicted in the next issue as "A Galaxy Away". - Hal arresting God, was actually an alien shapeshifter called The Shepard, with solar system technology, not actual Yaway. - Hal stabbing Mandrakkk was actually him with a team of Green Lanterns helping and multiple Universe Supermen blasting him with heat vision in the final battle of final crisis. Put Hal and Mandrakk in a room together, it's gonna be different.... And that's just the tip of the energy constructed Iceberg. And look, whether or not Hal wins or not (there are probably better Green Lantern feats to prove he does win) doesn't matter. They LIED about the episode's information right in front of every Ben 10 and Green Lantern fans faces. And as a big fan of Death Battle waiting in the wings for a matchup like this, I was kind of appalled.

@CatLeone2003

2 жыл бұрын

Ben Prime has basically infinite fail-safes, seemingly, and there's no realistic way Hal could cut off Ben's arm as the watch would change him into something that could withstand it. Celestialsapiens... I don't know if Alien X can actually take damage realistically, though you would probably know more than me, considering what you already stated about GL, and definitely they should have used more aliens, and Idk if Ben could have honestly won, considering there's still things we don't know about the watch, but due to the Sotobro effect, Ben could have gone forward in time to make Hal lose energy if the fight lasted longer than it did, and Hal let slip that weakness, though I honestly don't know overall, but I hope we can have a fun discussion, if you or anyone else wants, lol.

@lopresti101

2 жыл бұрын

@@CatLeone2003 I wouldn’t say infinite, but he is very hard to kill with at least 3 failsafes to count. Alien X has taken damage before from another Celestialsapien the Galactic Gladiator, so it is possible Hal count hurt X, but not kill with his regeneration, resistances and scaling to other aliens just as much as Hal scales to lesser or equal Green Lanterns. I wrote a blog a while back about this, I honestly don’t know if it holds up as a written piece, or even to saying Ben should have won. Man Of Action has basically nerfed Alien X in the Alien-X-Stinction reboot to getting hurt by a Carnaval ride and Fourarms punches, so ultimately I don’t think it matters anymore. *Sigh...* (Also thank you for wanting nice discussion) comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/lopresti101/blog/death-battle-ben-10-vs-green-lantern-my-thoughts/137560/

@CatLeone2003

2 жыл бұрын

@@lopresti101 Well, the reboot isn't Prime Ben, it's something different, and Vilgax seemingly turned into some sort of Celestialsapien, but didn't know what powers he had. Same with the Reboot Alien X, so either they're a different version of the species entirely, or the Bens we have seen in the reboot, except the teenage ones, and the Ben timeline where Gwen kept the magic charms to stay Lucky Girl, just the future Bens Watches don't let them realize their new alien's full capabilities is my current theory that I hope makes some sense. But anyways, the point is, reboot Ben is mostly irrelevant until we see something really worth talking about, not to knock down what we have so far, just that Ben Prime is what matters right now. And I said "seemingly" infinite, based on the 3 failsafes we have seen, because I also mentioned we still don't know everything about the watch, so it likely has other kinds of fail-safes, and I haven't seen the full episode of where Ben fights a celestialsapien gladiator, so I will definitely take the small L on that, lol. I also don't know everything about Hal and the Green Lanterns, so I will take a look at the link, and I remembered that the Celestialsapiens have 3 entities in their minds, so Idk about Reboot Future Ben's Alien X, but it's also very likely Vilgax didn't turn into a Celestialsapien. I hope you're understanding what I'm saying. And no problem. I just want this to be a back and forth theory discussion as well as exchanging info, lol.

@lopresti101

2 жыл бұрын

​@@CatLeone2003 What I meant was that Man of Action really don’t care, sadly. They had a perfect out to say the reboot was it’s own thing, not connected to Canon but-NOPE. Duncan Rouleau said that all the Bens in that special are the same Ben Prime pulled from different timelines, not alternate universes. And it’s ridiculous because the very special contradicts that. It doesn’t help that he also stated that Alien X mono-exists as a DNA sample throughout the multiverse, going to different Bens in different spaces and times, and being the same form of the transformation. Any VS-debater or Death Battle episode can just go to that special for evidence that X is just a standard alien. Nothing special to Hal. And that’s why I’m pissed that MoA just didn’t care about the world building (not that that matters in the way of telling good stories, but still). It’s made me pretty depressed, but thanks for being cool about all of this. My only Theory I could say of worthy input would be this- kzread.info/dash/bejne/hppprMqChJy0gJM.html

@CatLeone2003

2 жыл бұрын

@@lopresti101 My bad. I completely understand why you're upset, because that is just wrong on so many levels. But oh well, I guess. But I do wanna know what you have to say about the rest of what I said. And while MoA says so much contradictory crap, what if they hadn't? What are your thoughts then?

My problem with Steven vs Star is that they literally mention more than once that Steven has easily doged lasers without using any of his powers, let alone his super speed. And then they make him die from a laser that he clearly sees breaking through his shields. Also, Steven would have killed star instantly. Idk why they made him slowly start to close the dome in on star. Like bruh she would have been crushed or stabbed before she's able to cast her spell, if she would do it in the first place. And her being able to destroy an entire universe is a stretch because she has never shown to have or know this kind of power. Yes we see it in her spell book, but it's locked and it's never shown that she learned how to destroy an entire universe. And even if she could, she definitely wouldn't destroy an entire freaking universe just to defeat ONE person. Like bruh she refuses to use her planetary spell leathally. So she definitely wouldn't use her universal spell if she knew it. So, with all things considered, it's more likely Steven would logically win if they were to actually fight

@oghenetegaejovwo-ottoh4439

2 жыл бұрын

I actually agree. By their own logic, Steven before future is around light speed compared to Star's lightning speed (in her Butterfly super form, might I add), and he's obviously even faster during Future. Then you have his Pink state, in which he slows down time. Steven legit could have blitzed her to win. And I honestly didn't like that they had Star win just cause it was **implied** that her wand could destroy a planet or universe. It **might** have that level of power, but Star has never displayed it.

@ProudEdits4U

Жыл бұрын

Woah woah woah he could not kill her instantly. Star stomps.

@ProudEdits4U

Жыл бұрын

Woah woah woah he could not kill her instantly. Star stomps.

@realnamebutitisnt.6610

Жыл бұрын

@@ProudEdits4U hm,great argument,but try using evidence so that you actually convince people - _-

@ProudEdits4U

Жыл бұрын

@@realnamebutitisnt.6610 Don't worry about that. Underrated Underdog has already proven it's a sweep. - _ -

You actually got the characters perfectly right personality wise they did good for the characters. Star did mature a lot more in the end so it's kinda weird to see her that childish

In regards to Hal Vs Ben it is hard for me to say who should have won. I love both characters and know that they have insane feats. I do think that Hal has more clear feats to draw from and not mad that Hal won but I will say the inconsistency with just how powerful lanturns are in a given story definitely makes people's defense for Ben logical

@girgeisbest34

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't help that they had ben lose and go as far as to say something like oh ben tennyson lost because hal's a dc character while ben is just a cartoon and this fight wasn't supposed to be taken seriously but here have a ben vs Danny fight I'm sure you'll be satisfied with this One of the slopiest wins they have ever given a character It would almost be like oh goku lost to superman but here were doing a goku vs naruto and just have goku kill naruto with a fart and say hey at least goku wins

@DarrkGreed

2 жыл бұрын

Nah. Ben should have won. They established a bunch of bullshit for green lantern, gave him power ups he's only ever used twice and had almost nothing to do with him, and THEN let green lantern break the rules of the Omnitrix to cut it off of Ben. Green lantern can't time travel with his ring. The ring tries to stabilize him in time, such as when he and batman got sucked into the past while hunting vandal Savage. Green lantern got sucked back into the present by the ring, but it's 100% implied to be involuntary. Ben had the fight hands down, and it shouldn't have even been close once alien x came out.

@PaulSmith-nb6md

2 жыл бұрын

@@DarrkGreed I mean by all accounts anything one Green lanturn can do another can do. The rule definitely applies to Hal being that he is the greatest Green lanturn. I mean how many times did Ben use feedback to stop the big bang? How many feats does Ben have in relation to Hal? Yes I realize the video did have him do something dumb with cutting off Ben's arm but that was for the video fight. Ben has been shown to get his ass beat by people that wouldnt even be able to really harm Green Lanturn so to just say he had the fight in the bag isnt really accurate. A green lanturn's power is to allow a being to use their will to perform any action essentially. From simple constructs to resurrection the rings haven't really been given a clear and defined limit to their abilities. Green Lanturns have fought conceptual beings so fighting Alien X isnt really a stretch and doesnt guarantee victory. Keep in mind Hal told the aspect of Death he owned him. And that was base Hal. Should Ben have won? Maybe. But I would rather fight Ben then Hal. Man has decades of exploits.

@DarrkGreed

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaulSmith-nb6md oh my god so much of what you said is straight up wrong. For the sake of brevity, not all green lanterns can do what other lanterns can do. There is a universal power set, but that's almost exclusively energy constructs, flight, vacuum resistance while in costume, etc. As for the "amount of feats" it's not about the amount of feats. It's about the feats themselves. I'd argue DOUBLY against you considering that Ben 10 has feats better than the bullshit amalgam Hal Jordan they threw at him. Accidentally erasing reality? Rebuilding reality? Containing the big bang? Hal Jordan hardly touches those feats, especially under his own power. So, what's your point here? That Ben doesn't beat Hal Jordan? That Ben doesn't beat this bullshit amalgam Hal? Oh, how about the fact that they made Ben a child and not an adult to match Hal? How about the fact that they let Hal time travel when he's NEVER been able to do that under his own power. Giving Ben alien x should have been the end of it, but they wanked Hal so hard and downplayed ben even harder just to give their DC boner a stroke. This conversation wouldn't be much different if it was white lantern Hal vs Adult Ben, either, by the way. Ben has millions of options under his belt all with pre-programmed instincts, including multiversal entities and as an adult, he's been shown with various versions and upgrades to his aliens. Hal doesn't only not have much of a chance to begin with, it's not even a close fight. Also, did you really use plot contrivances regarding a child superhero as scaling? "Some guys that couldn't even hurt hal have done damage to Ben" is the dumbest shit I've ever heard leave someone's mouth when they're trying to scale a character. Green lantern has been disarmed of his ring more times than Ben has aliens, man. Jesus Christ. Get out of here.

@DarrkGreed

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaulSmith-nb6md AND ANOTHER THING, THE GREEN LANTERN RINGS DONT FUCKING REVIVE PEOPLE. If a wielder dies or loses the ring, it finds a new host. What the fuck are you even talking about man?

Steven Universe vs Star Butterfly had so much Potential

@dmcx-tv2308

2 жыл бұрын

I mean. It was a fun episode tbh

@YT911YT

2 жыл бұрын

@@dmcx-tv2308 Yeah but it felt way to quick and felt more like a one minute melee episode then a real one

@pokie7996

2 жыл бұрын

@@YT911YT Yeah po vs iron fist had time were they talk for a bit steven and star just fight and feels out character for Steven

@baconvideo8413

2 жыл бұрын

It really did.

@mohaumoseki3582

2 жыл бұрын

@@YT911YT Well to be fair,heihachi vs geese was 2 mins and 52 seconds and Steven vs Star was 3 minutes and 5 seconds.Plus most matchups for this season were mostly 3 and something seconds except for Doom vs Lex because it is depending on the soundtrack.

The calculation for star are kinda all over the place, with no real evidence shown in the show, and the odd personality choices questions if she didn’t make certain decisions would she’s still win. And yes I watched the full show. Steven on the other hand far out power star, and yes wile a little unhinged, if he was pink she wouldn’t have been able to lay a hand on him. He can move so fast time is basically stoped, he can fly, and he has a stronger transformation that turns him basically into Godzilla....... but star won??? Ok.

@skybattler2624

2 жыл бұрын

Star has Universe-tier spells and has feats that Death Battle did not mention. In the Commentary, they laid it all down and outright said that Star has so many ways to kill Steven, it ain't even funny. She can choose to hide in a different dimension and Toffee blast him and shatter Steven within any of his shields by spawning a portal behind him, Calm Kaiju Steven using her visual-based emotion manipulation spell (which includes a memory spell) and Blast him as he is calming down, and even outright destroy shielded Steven using any of her Galaxy-tier spells she has access. Star can even send Steven in a Dimension where Gem tech does not work and light projection, which is majority of Steven's arsenal, does not exists, while Star retains hers, JUST FOR FUNSIES. (She sends herself and her friends in a world where her magic does not work anyway, except the magic scissors). So there is that option. Overall... This is a mismatch.

@ultrastormvalentine5483

2 жыл бұрын

@@skybattler2624 question does star have info on a dimension where gem tech doesn't work. I agree that star has super tier spells but please consider that this is star we are talking about she really wouldn't even consider using those spells.

@skybattler2624

2 жыл бұрын

@@ultrastormvalentine5483 she has access on a dimension where light projection, which is the basis of a majority of gem tech, does not work, and the dimension is perpetually in darkness, but only magic from Star's wand will work as the only light beacon (alongside the eyes of the creatures living there. Don't ask me how, but we are talking about Star having access to multiverses, and I seem to remember Star and co. going there briefly. Heck, what I do remember is Star sending herself and her friends to a dimension where her magic is disabled for a dare. They would've been screwed had the magic scissors got lost.

@El_Nit

2 жыл бұрын

The post analisis: Steven cant control his pink powers Steven training 3 days with Jasper: .-.

With the Ben 10 vs Green Lantern fight, I feel like it just didn't feel like a fair representation of the characters and what they can do. I feel like I would have been okay with Hal winning if they at least lived up to their potential. That plus the fact that they used kid ben instead of teen ben, but still used Alien X, and basically only used a couple other aliens is kind of disappointing. I feel like Ben can be so much more versatile than he is represented as in Death Battle. I obviously know that is because of time constraints and funding, but as you said yourself, this feels like the kind of episode you would give a bigger budget. If they had established how powerful Hal actually is, and also represented Ben fairly, I don't think it would be that controversial.

I love how you always explain things in these death battle analysis and videos

Is it bad that this channel is where I finally learned how Green Lantern won against Ben because I legitimately had no idea I accidentally missed those info boxes 3 FREAKING TIMES.

@esteban8471

2 жыл бұрын

Not everyone reads the boxes in the corner, so there's no need to feel ashamed over it. They're easy to overlook if you're not paying attention.

One of the little animation quirks I saw with Steven VS Star was with Steven's eyes when he was punching Star on the rainbow and how they never really changed angles at any point, so it looks like he's staring off into a completely unrelated direction at points.

Love that you named THAT episode: The Demon

to be honest I was quite surprised that they used pretty decent looking sprits like holy crap they looked good even tho the hand issue was present but I didn't even noticed that in my watch

I like your review on Ben vs GL. Especially your suggestions, they're so creative

I honestly loved the fight. I just thought it was WAY to short.

@lynxfresh5214

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I was half expecting Godzilla Steven but instead he just dies as soon as Star casts one of her most powerful spells. Don't get me wrong I agree with the outcome and the VA was actually very good imo but it felt kinda anti-climactic?

@Deltanwachukwu

2 жыл бұрын

Agree

@rosariomontoya7515

2 жыл бұрын

@@lynxfresh5214 It feels like more was supposed happen. Still loved the episode.

@sp1derk1ng27

2 жыл бұрын

Fax. I expect it to be more drawn out

@catandotter1237

2 жыл бұрын

Same

I definitely enjoyed your insights into these Deathbattles that featured cartoons. Most of your criticisms & praise is on point, and I actually agree with. Between Beast vs Goliath’s fight being too short and being a throwaway episode (which they don’t deserve), Jack vs Afro being amazing for how much love is put into it, Scrooge vs Shovel Knight’s style being the highlight of that fight, the controversial GL vs Ben 10 fight, & how awkward & bizarro Danny vs Jake was. As for Star vs Steven, I personally think the episode was fine, but my biggest gripe with the episode is the post battle analysis. For me, it suffers similar issues that GL vs Ben has. The post fight I feel doesn’t quite sell me enough on why Star would win, and it’d help if they actually took the time to show off raw data of why Star’s magic could overpower Steven instead of just shoving the details in a textbox as an afterthought. It’s their main argument, so it should be brought to the forefront. Other than that, the episode is passable, and harmless enough

I feel like the Steven vs Star fight relied too heavily on a spell we barely know anything about. As far as I can remember: 1. We don't know how long the spell takes to cast 2. We don't know if Star even knows about the spell 3. Even if she did know about it she's never used it before throughout the series 4. We don't know how long it takes to destroy a universe 5. Spider with a Tophat is the spell Star thinks is her strongest despite having a universe destroying spell in her book Feel free to correct me if any of the above are wrong. With the above Like, if Character A could 1 shot Character B with a single attack, but Character B can also 1 shot Character A and Character B is significantly faster than it doesn't really matter how much more powerful Character A is than Character B, Character B is still gonna 1 shot before Character A can get their attack in.

@ajaquino85

2 жыл бұрын

I agree the analysis was pretty bad. 2. Star does know the spell as it has been said that she has read the whole book but can she actually cast it is another question. And from reading the text it at least takes a while since the book talks about charging the wand and I'm pretty sure that is not instant. I don't think Star thinks spider with a top hat is her strongest spell since she wrote that her laser pointer spell can neutralize a planet. Isn't it the spider himself that claims he is the strongest spell? I don't think either character could one shot each other in there transformed states. I still think Star wins cause she has a couple of hax powers that Steven can't deal with but DB did a poor explanation on why she should win since Steven has better stats and they used questionable powers for her scaling.

@mangamandrew

2 жыл бұрын

She has used it before but to a lesser degree. Star uses the spell as a laser pointer but it can be used to destroy the planet with enough time and charging. She is able to use any spell in her spell book so it makes sense to use spells from previous queens. The book shows tha spells in the show.

@ajaquino85

2 жыл бұрын

@@mangamandrew I don't think she can use any spell in the spell book right of the bat. She has been shown to have to practice them and can fail them. So if she never practice the spell canonically then you can't really states she knows them. So I think automatically scaling her to spells in the book is lazy and not completely accurate. They gave her the win based on statements and writing not feats. She does have some hax powers that would give her the win but DB didn't even use those. There analysis was very weak.

@CH1C4N0444

2 жыл бұрын

@@ajaquino85 Wasn't that the whole point of the Spider with a Top Hat episode that he felt under utilized because he was her strongest spell and she only used him as a last resort? Also, I feel like the speed and strength advantage and Star's lack of durability is kinda being ignored here. They put Steven at 92 Petatons of TNT. Steven is over 900x more powerful than the Chicxulub Impactor that brought about an extinction level event while also saying that Steven is capable of dodging lasers while Star is stuck at lightning timing. Couple the above two with the fact that for Star they just say she can survive "tons of TNT" and Steven blitzes and one shots her in his base form, no Pink or Kaiju necessary. I don't really care whether Steven wins or looses, but it just baffles me that the logic basically is she has a super powerful spell that makes her win and that was the end of it and ignore that Steven could blitz and one shot her based off of the stats they gave each character.

@ajaquino85

2 жыл бұрын

@@CH1C4N0444 Spider with a top hat episode showed that he was summoned last because Star was desperate and all her other summons failed. He was self proclaimed strongest but no one thought he was the strongest until he beat the monster that none of the other summons could beat. No one took him seriously until the end of that episode. If I went in blind and went off just what DB presented then yeah I think Steven should win. To me the analysis was very poor. But they did a poor analysis and didn't include Star's best feats. and her multiple hax abilities that steven has no way to counter. I agree with DB outcome but I think there reasoning is terrible.

Samurai jack vs Afro samurai is so good that even you describing it gave me goosebumps. This is my all time favorite episode is so good, I actually gasped when jack lost his arm, and cheered when Afro lost both of his and subsequently died. No disrespect, but I LOVE samurai jack, and seeing the animation being hand drawn made this episode amazing 20/10

Star being okay with genocide is out of character was a complaint? Did that come defenders of the show’s ending of Star vs the Forces of Evil by chance because during the ending Star and her family removed magic completely which some of the races in her world need to live/made by magic or else they will die which is a rule said in the show so yes technically it was a massive genocide that Star was involved in, caused and didn’t regretted so really not out of character for her honestly they wrote really well imo.

@creed8712

2 жыл бұрын

Also given Stevens forgiveness I assume he’s also ok with genocide

I really love how Afro Samurai vs Samurai Jack genuinely feels like it could've gone either way, regardless of the post-analysis. The only other fight that's had me feel like this has probably got to be Power Rangers vs Voltron, and even that fight doesn't feel as close as a fight as Afro vs Jack did

I strongly recommend you play shovel knight nemesis along with the collection that includes the games with the other knights too, they're pretty fun

Not going to even mention the funniest thing about this episode. That before the fight between the 2 kid show characters, we got an Adam and Eve advertisement

@Stellerman7

2 жыл бұрын

Glad I wasn't the only one that thought that was odd

The fact that he didn’t do the meme line in Ben 10 vs Green Lantern is very funny

The fact that the evidence for Star’s laser power comes from a random children book sold as of it was written by her, makes it a bit dubious as use for strength. Like Star would totally exaggerate like that, not like she needed help.

@mangamandrew

2 жыл бұрын

But it was not written by her but by her ancestors. The book had spells confirmed to be used by previous queens so Star had access to their powers.

@skybattler2624

2 жыл бұрын

And even without the Book, Star in Butterfly form Obliterated Toffee' regeneration, which is Universal in nature at low ball.

Forget the analysis of the episodes, why did I not know there was an 8 bit version of taskmasters theme from MvC3

I hated the SU vs SV fight but I liked how you reviewed it good video

I'm not even gonna lie, her going super early and not giving a shit after killing someone is actually Totally in character

Great review bro And yea you nailed most of the points good and flawed for this ep Also there BTS things that essentially kept this from being a great fight Such as not giving all 9 animators time enough to include some great moments Which would’ve made Steven v Star 30 seconds longer But that’s the fault of DB schedule alone Still this is my 2nd favorite 2D of S8

I watched all of Star vs and some of Steven. I was clearly rooting for Star. But to me, Star was incredibly out of character. And that nagged me the whole episode. She is playful and juvenile. But she was way too like “imma just kill ya because I feel like it.” Because of Steven’s performance, and the character you could get out of him, I ended up actually rooting for Steven at the end even though I don’t really care for his show. Like apparently everyone else, I’m pretty split on the episode. Pretty good visuals, even though things felt oddly paced and the fight was a little too short. The characterization was kinda...meh for Star. I dunno why, but I’m left with a sour taste in my mouth after this fight. But a slightly tangy sour that leaves me with slight satisfaction.

@mangamandrew

2 жыл бұрын

You realize this is a death battle. Even if she was acting too into killing, that would be the best way to justify her killing. Star would never intentionally kill someone unless your name is Toffee or all magic in the universe.

@goodolnoahYT

2 жыл бұрын

BigBlueDrew97 oh yeah, actually she was pretty hyped for mass genocide so I mean it’s aight

The reason I don't like Ben 10 vs Hal Jordan is because it simultaneously shows a bad side of both Death Battle itself and the community. The fight is fine as it is but it has a lot of missed potential. Now, the reason why it's a big deal here is because it's a fight between characters that are infamous for having a large assortment of powers. On top of that, the post analysis is done rather poorly. The way they explain Hal winning is really poor and, unless you read the boxes in the corner, you would think that they pulled Hal's victory out of their ass. When I first watched this, I was salty as hell, and the fact that they explained it so horribly made it worst. But now, two years later? Yeah, I agree with Hal winning, quite easily. But that's not what this comment is about. So please, if anyone happens to read this, please focus on the rest. Now for the community. Ben has this unfortunately hyped up reputation as being one of the most OP characters in all of fiction, that the Omnitrix's failsaves and Alien X made him virtually unbeatable. So combine that with how Death Battle presented this episode and you can see where all the hate comes from. But it doesn't justify it. Green Lantern isn't mainstream anymore, at least not at the level that Ben was (at least to my knowledge), especially after Kuro recently brought him back into relevancy with his videos. So people just aren't aware of how strong Hal is. The most people talk about when it comes to Green Lantern nowadays are the animated movies, where he isn't as strong as he is in the comics. So people just assume that he would be an easy opponent for Ben. It also doesn't help that some of the "complaints" people have for the episode don't hold much merit. The point I'm trying to make is that Ben 10 vs Green Lantern is an overall decent episode with a lazy post analysis that earned deserved criticism and undeserved hate from a *very* biased crowd. It really shows what happens when you mesh a lazily done episode involving a fan favorite character. I want the hate to die down. I want to stop seeing comments aggressively talk about why Ben should have won or why Hal rightfully won. As a fan of Ben 10, it hurts me seeing the fanbase so up in arms over this.

@christianpeterson1832

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I did feel that Ben should’ve won for the longest time due to how familiar I am u Ben and DB not really going in depth with how powerful Hal is. Also because the final blow felt like a huge cop-out. Then after actually looking at everyone’s arguments from Kuro to other videos, the Q&A, various posts and comment sections around KZread and sub reddits (yes, I know), Hal had so much more going for him than people realize. The sad part is that people insist Hal shouldn’t be given abilities he’s shown to have but X should be scaled higher than what he’s been shown to, even when the writers of the show establish that X has limits.

@baki484

8 күн бұрын

Based

Nice thumbnail bro :D Would've appreciated some credit for the Star render but it's cool, good video btw

"Now Tamatoa hasn't always been this Glam! I was on a Game theory once!"

What is stopping Steven here from using his super speed to avoid the lasers long enough to decapitate star?

"Ooooh myyy goood" My favourite line, personally

@TheStormMage

2 жыл бұрын

They have gods at Mewni?

the way they did composite hall was that they used traits that he had skills from before and after reboots and in a pick and choose manner, such as not having the yellow weaknesses but still being able to time travel at will, that's what got called compositing since from what i've seen, at least a decent chunk of comic fans see stuff like pre and post crisis versions of the same character as entirely different versions of said character that can't be scaled (though some might not have seen green lanterns as very scalable since they do vary in will power, and they might have the opinion that kyle or another lantern has a stronger will, and while i won't comment, i will bring up the "i don't even know what will is" scene to kinda get where they might be coming from)

Steven vs Star may not be my Favorite Episode of the season, but man did I love every second of it.

DeathBattle gave the wrong conclusion in Star vs Steven. Short version: they credited Star with feats and abilities she's never performed. Their main mistake was assuming she can do anything that any previous wielder of her wand could do. Eclipsa's superior spellwork shuts down that notion. The second mistake was misinterpreting a source book by ignoring the writer's obvious doubt as to the power of the spell. The source book was a reproduction of Star's DIY spellbook from the show, making the writer Star herself. And the doubt means that she has never used the spell to planet-busting levels. In point of fact, Star's upper destructive limit was established twice in her own series, as well as her weakness to melee combat against superhumanly strong opponents. First in her loss to hulked out Meteora at the end of SvfoE S3. And second in her loss to DugDug (Mina's advanced scout) near the end of S4. In both cases Eclipsa stepped in to save Star. Both instances put Star well below fortified building level destruction, which Steven can easily defend. Steven should have won based on his time manipulation (harnessed but not mastered in his training montage with Jasper), superior strength (nearly mastered in his training montage with Jasper), and ability to block every spell Star is known to use in combat. Star once stopped time by knocking Father Time off his hamster wheel, but resolved to never do that again because of the consequences and cost. That mechanism demonstrates that she accomplished the feat not by raw power, but by precisely messing with the Personification of Time who was portrayed as being on par with most mortals.

Huh. The 8-Bit version of Taskmaster's UMVC3 Theme playing during Scrooge VS Shovel Knight. It's clever.

Steven vs star is one of my dream match ups and i was a little disappointed but some scene were really dope,, some of these reference made me remember the episode of each cartoon, specifically WAR CRYYYY which was a literally debut of spider minigun and steven traumatic scene experience was really really nice

Does anyone know that music that plays at 34:22 cause i really like it and feel like i recognise it from somewhere. Apart from that good video as ever nemesis

About Steven vs Star, the only attack star has that is planetary was her Crystal laser, but I didn’t like how Steven wasn’t able to dodge it since he can literally slow down time around him.

@sanicinapanic4264

2 жыл бұрын

Well it’s magic it’s not really source of actual energy so it would probably just be able to go as fast it would be going anyway but that’s just a theory I film theory

My only issue with the episode is that the fight doesn't go for longer, what was shown was great i just wanted a little more, it has buff psycho pink steven tho so it's easily one of my favorites of this season just for that

Steven vs Star was a fun episode. It could been better but it was still *very much better* than Ben 10 vs Green Lantern and the wierd Shovel Knight vs Scrooge.

The fight was between two characters who series suffered the longer they went on due to their fandoms and creators interacting.

I loved this fight and to me it felt like a legit crossover between Steven Universe Future, and Star vs. The Forces of Evil due to how the fight starts in typical Star vs. The Forces of Evil fashion aka Star tries to win a sand-castle building contest using magic and ends up creating a sand-version of the Leaning Tower of Pisa that accidentally destroys Steven's sand-castle, but accidentally ends up escalating situation during her "attempts" to fix the problem she caused, and cheer Steven up.

The rap joke in Danny vs Jake match was a hold over from the small analysis episodes that they do the week before the actual episode. In those small episodes it made sense because Boomstick didn't say he would stop and Wiz asking him if he would do it the whole episode was funny. Then when they brought the episode together it made no sence.

Some people call it compositing because multipe of the feats they use for the lanterns come from other universe versions of Hal. A composite hal is golden age pre 52, and post 52

God i hated steven vs butterfly, i like both shows but they REALLY REALLY undersold steven's power and basically gave star so many abilities she either didn't have or scaled it way to much

The story behind some spells are insane!! :O The power of the spell that she can use is up to her imagination. She can Easely stop time, She has spells that age/distroy people. And the thing that suprised me the most is that they didn't metion Dimention hopping for Star with her butterfly form. And for steven, his pink form looked a bit week for me. But he didn't master it and that's true. The thing is that the show doesn't do mutch with fighting. And they don't give that mutch information. But the fight looked awsome. Loved the fight, would liked to see Bill next

About the green latern compsite thing. I believe like other people thats just because they use the same weapon doesn't make their abilities the same just there potential capabilities. If that's the case all laterns would be the same strength and their corresponding emotion would factor into their power.

@hg06syndicate14

2 жыл бұрын

I also did love all your suggestions tho to make that fight better.

Another cool suggestion, have ben turn into big chill and freeze the fire extinguisher. Ok continue

@guyfieri148

2 жыл бұрын

Heh.... Cool

I will never stop watching jack vs Afro the rewatch value is crazy

I personally dislike how they attach a TNT value to the corrupting light while yes it was intended to destroy everything it didn't. It did no physical damage I only started having this non-damaging attacks shouldn't be compared to something that does damage gripe after po vs iron first but it does kind of bother me.

The fight is one of my season favorites, though the fight was too short for me and the reason why they fought was in character yet weird (maybe Steven mistaking the Wand for a gem artifact, trying to take it from Star and she thinking he wants to steal it). I was hoping for a Pink dinosaur vs teenager moth fight but anyways the sprites, voices and music were really cool

This was my Goku vs Superman. I liked this matchup very much. Though, there was still some stuff I wish they did in the episode.

@badrat484

2 жыл бұрын

You mean they drastically downplayed both characters to a hilarious degree?

@ndprod.animationenthusiast9376

2 жыл бұрын

@@badrat484 funny enough, unlike the latter mentioned match, they actually had better scaling for Steven than most other vs forums who downplay his speed and attack potency to relativistic and continent level.

I knew Nemesis was a Danganronpa fan but isn't that Star art form Cartoons in Danganronpa.

@everettwatsonrazorearcwolf6553

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, waaay different.

@Hebleh

2 жыл бұрын

@@everettwatsonrazorearcwolf6553 Actually, that is the Star art for Cartoons in Danganronpa! I had no idea Nemesis liked Danganronpa though

@everettwatsonrazorearcwolf6553

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hebleh Ohhh I see. In my head, first instinct of Danganronpa is the Anime Adaptation ahaha

21:03 to 23: 07 death battle should really contact you for ideas on fights that had big potential and how they would betray because they’re really good

@reececollins9212

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. All of that put together sounds like it would be a lead to a season finale or mid season finale and it sounds like a fun battle

It ok this episode got me in to star vs the focus of evil too

Maybe I need to rewatch the episode, but the Ghostly Wail is almost always portrayed as a beam in the show, isn't it? Like we see Danny have to physically turn his body to hit targets in different directions multiple times throughout the series. It being portrayed accurately was one of the few things I liked about the battle. Well, "accurately" in look, once again, the fuck-off beam being stronger than it was kinda weird.

Y'know you can talk about Balrog vs TJ Combo whenever you want, don't need to wait for DB to give you an excuse. It's your channel y'know

Wait, people don't like Steven vs Star? I thought the fight was pretty good. Sure there's a tiny bit of jank, and Star's transformation happened a bit too fast. But the rest of it was really good for me. I like that both characters were in character for the most part, and I liked the music and abilities shown. As for the other fights you brought up, here my thoughts on them: Beast vs Goliath: Forgettable Scrooge vs Shovel Knight: Fine. Samurai Jack vs Afro Samurai: Awesome. Ben 10 vs Green Lantern: Indifferent. Danny Phantom vs Jake Long: Okay.

@e1iteyoshi998

2 жыл бұрын

For me Beast Vs Goliath: Decent Scoorge Vs Shovel Knight: Good Samurai Jack vs Afro Samurai: Perfect Green Lantern vs Ben 10: Terrible (mostly due to the research in the post analysis. For me research plays a big factor in how good i few an episode.) Danny Phantom vs Jake Long: Good

@tonysonic456

2 жыл бұрын

@@joechapman1021 Wow. Salty much? How old are you even? Because that was like five year old levels of tantrum. It's fine for you to feel salty about your favorite character losing, but to this extreme, unless you mean it purely for comedy's sake, it's a bit immature.

@tonysonic456

2 жыл бұрын

@UCEB2pw0eH92i7W9yAVc6jtg You've been watching Kimimorra's Trap Brothel, haven't you? Because he's the type of person who would rant about this sort of thing. Stomps in vs matches are nothing new. Heck, most of Death Battle's earliest episodes have been stomps in both the right and wrong ways. The best thing you can do with a matchup is make sure that the people fighting have a strong enough connection that makes sense. Also, I can understand having attachment to two series that end up fighting each other to the death. I myself love the Mario and Sonic franchises and didn't really want them to kill each other, but they did multiple times. Just please don't be such a baby about it.

@tonysonic456

2 жыл бұрын

@@joechapman1021 Who says 99% of their matchups are stomps? There have been a lot more even matchups then you might think like Balrog vs TJ Combo.

@joechapman1021

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonysonic456 thats from like 4 seasons ago though

25:43 one of the best preview songs next to jack vs afro

Granted I haven't watched the episode, but from my viewing of Afro Samurai, I've seen Afro on more than one occasion of utilizing his sword's sheath as a way of attacking. I find it jarring that it wasn't utilized at all.

Besides its duration, steven vs star is amazing

Didn't think I'd see Cartoons in Danganronpa Star art here, or Fusionfall Samurai Jack.. But I welcome it!

Steven vs Star Transition. Genocide Jack?/Genocider Sho? Jokes aside out of the 7 episodes out I’d put it at number 5

I'm surprised you didn't made that certain joke in the Ben 10 Vs GL section

@3kojimbles895

2 жыл бұрын

what was the joke?

@alphagin4779

2 жыл бұрын

@@3kojimbles895 "Time huh Thanks for the Tip"

I love the animation on Steven vs star but it’s the ending I wish that they could change and the ananlysis

THANK YOU SO MUCH My biggest issue with Ben vs Hal is that the matchup literally drips potential. Ben has over 70 confirmed aliens and Hal can make LITERALLY ANYTHING HE CAN THINK OF, but the animation is embarrassingly dry on that front. And lord help me, that fricking conclusion. Also, is Hal the best Lantern? I always thought it was supposed to be Kyle as the best Lantern.

@jeanduresau

2 жыл бұрын

Hal is the most powerful Green Lantern, Kyle is only more powerful when he's a White Lantern.

I feel like Steven's voice acting was a little mixed. The "oh no, what happened" line literally made me pause the video in shock, I just didn't believe it was Steven. The "what did sand castles ever do to you" was great though, definitely sounds like Steven and something he would say. The "take your time" and "weird bug girl" was fine. The death scream was also fine to.

If it were me animating Ben 10 vs Green Lantern, I could give 2 ways it could’ve gone. After Hal does the haha funny line and travels back in time to try and go back to the start of the fight, But X intercepts him and he misses the mark. They keep flying through the time stream and Hal is fighting a losing battle. But in a shear display of willpower, He forces Alien X outside the time stream and into a random time period (Like the 1700’s, which would be a cool reference to Omniverse). Hal goes back to the night that Ben found the omnitrix and steals the device before young Ben shows up. Alien X then appears behind him ready to finish off Hal, but then turns back into Ben as his past self never got the omnitrix. Hal then does the big boot finish and goes back to the present timeline. The End, the Winner is Hal Jordan. The next one I have here is a win for Ben because I just want a Ben 10 win so sue me. Hal travels back in time to the beginning of the fight and tries to do the scissors trick again. He gets so close, but Alien X then appears behind him and uses his telekinesis to remove Hal’s power ring (or the ring could run out of energy or something idk) and he traps Hal in a pocket dimension where since he no longer has his ring, Alien X can now erase him from existence with no issue. Hal then says “Not bad kid” and is swiftly gone. The ring then falls into Alien X’s hand and we get to see a Green Lantern Alien X (which would be weird but also kind of cool). The End, the winner is Ben 10. I feel that either of these endings would’ve been much better than the one we got, and not such a kick in the balls for Ben 10 fans having Hal cut his arm off. Overall, I would give the original episode a 6.5/10. It is a well done episode with god tier animation that is brought down by the mediocre Alien X vs Hal fight and shitty conclusion

@esteban8471

2 жыл бұрын

I think another good ending for Hal winning was Hal slowly doing the Green Lantern oath as he is pushed into a corner, and as he does he creates a spear out of willpower. He overpowers Alien X which causes him to say "Who...what are you?!", then Hal stabs him and yells the last of the oath "Green Lantern's light!" before exploding X with an abundance of willpower. I don't know, something flashy. I think if they showed Hal overpowering X instead of relying on time travel or some other maneuver to win, then they could have avoided so much backlash. Because like Nemesis said, the way they portray and explain Hal winning was bad. I like your endings though. Pretty creative stuff.

@Capsirus

2 жыл бұрын

@@esteban8471 Thanks. You’re ending is sick as well

@baki484

8 күн бұрын

​@@esteban8471 I think as he's being stabbed should be begging Bellicus and Serina to do something with the 2 beings being dumbfounded or saying "his will is greater than ours" or something.

@esteban8471

8 күн бұрын

@@baki484 That's also a really cool idea.

The post analysis could've been better. Like pointing out how Star is bloodthirsty and is in constant conflict while Steven tries to avoid conflict as much as possible and has very little battle experience outside the basics for example. They did show this in the animation though which is a good plus, show don't tell you know.

They're saving your cameo for the finale

The thing i remembered most from the fight was that I thought Stephen said "goodbye weird thot girl" when apparently he said "weird bug girl" still good episode though

@buzter8135

2 жыл бұрын

Cool story bro.

The NES style could also be a reference to Scrooge age.

I didn’t care for Star vs Steven because I haven’t seen any of their shows. I started watching SVTFOE and I already love it. The outro slaps while the intro to me is really bad in the beginning

My biggest hope for the Ben 10 vs Green Lantern fight was this pipe dream theory of like, Could Gray Matter create A yellow lantern ring? and have that lead to like a cool smart final kill- but maybe that's overthinking it

@edwardaucay8597

2 жыл бұрын

Except that wouldn't work since Hal no longer has the weakness to Yellow anymore.

@jeanduresau

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardaucay8597 Calm man. Don't destroy those fanboys dreams.

@edwardaucay8597

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeanduresau Well so far, all what these fantards "dreams" have resulted in was unnecessary grains of salt from their part So......... How.about No.

@jeanduresau

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardaucay8597 Yeah, I know, I just wanted to be nice to them, at the end of the day, they're full of delusions.

@baki484

8 күн бұрын

Hal's clash with sinestro caused reality ot bend when he made his big combat in 2004 I won't talk about rebirted and what he did to whole yellow lantern corps. Just watch GL first flight if you don't want to read.

Well you brought it up *Incert riot about Ben vs hal

My only issue with jack vs afro is that the fight doesn’t use that split screen jack is so well known for.

Im a big fan of both ben 10 and the green lantern mythos (my suggestion for one of the next Deathbattles was Kevin 11 vs absorbing man), and even i know that match was bullshit. Chronosapiens like Clockwork arent the only aliens that can time travel and see the sotobro effect, Alien X can as well, and had they done him justice they would have had him go back in time at the same time as Hal. They also gave Hal abilities that he has not been shown capable of in the continuity of the time, they made Hal a missmatch of himself from different eras of the comics. Time travel is not a current ability of GL's in the modern age of comics, so Hal shouldn't be able to do that and would have died.

As a HUGE Steven Universe fan, i think they did him dirty. They didnt even use some of his abilities. Plus they downplayed him by A LOT. DWARF STAR?

0:34 Is this the demon or is it Ben 10 vs Hal Jordan?

Just so you know, to bring up two of the things you mentioned with Ben vs Hal: 1. The Hal compositing controversy was about if and why they used Pre-Crisis stuff for him 2. One of the biggest complaints about the animation is that Hal killed someone who is acausal and has time travel by traveling back in time and killing them. They time paradoxed someone who is immune to time paradoxes and could counter being time paradoxed even if they weren't. Yes, the animation isn't supposed to be 100% accurate, but the method of death should at least be a thing that's possible.

@edwardaucay8597

2 жыл бұрын

Regarding that 1st point, some of the Pre-crisis stuff actually gets repeated in the post crisis storyline; hence to why it was used in the analysis.

@esteban8471

2 жыл бұрын

Aren't Pre Crisis and Post Crisis Hal Jordan the same character?

@edwardaucay8597

2 жыл бұрын

@@esteban8471 Yes; given how he was one of the few that survived the crisis story arc unscathed

@thesmashor4396

2 жыл бұрын

@@esteban8471 Many people, including myself, were unaware of that.

Don't like how they act like Steven wouldn't bubble her wand before she enters her butterfly mode.