We used to do similar in the pre internet days of the eighties, spray black, dry brush white and then use watercolour paints or ink over the top. The result is very close! Good for doing lots of horses.

@HeadCannonPrime

Жыл бұрын

100% Its equal parts funny and infuriating that people think somebody came up with this in 2022. I've literally been painting this way for 30 years. Hey I just discovered this new action movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger. I bet nobody has ever seen it before, I'm going to call it COMMANDO!

@nadinabbott3991

Жыл бұрын

I have seen this before. Time to try this

@qotsajr

25 күн бұрын

@@HeadCannonPrimeFinally some people who know the truth! The only thing new about the technique is that goofy name.

Really love the video. Thanks for the really interesting experiments. Can't wait to try some out

@DanaHowl

Жыл бұрын

Awesome Rob!! Ya it was a fun experiment, thanks for popularizing the method!!! #SLAPCHOP4EVER

@redcossack3943

Жыл бұрын

@@DanaHowl Nice to see you each (and others) putting bricks into the same wall greater hobby wall instead of each trying to build your own pile of bricks.

Finally, someone does a multi-example video on this subject! My personal approach is flat black spray primer, flat grey spray primer zenithal, Vallejo white dry brush. That works well for me and leaves a less 'dusty' texture.

Finally! A video that not only talks about slap chop, but also acknowledges the historical techniques that the slapchop is built on. I really like the underpainting and transparent paint method because I am horrible at placing highlights with a more traditional (classical?) layer and glaze approach, and this method really automates the placement of the highlights. I also struggle with mixing up highlights colors because I get analysis paralysis with trying to figure out how much of a jump in value I want to get to and how many layers I want to do it in. I do worry about the slapchop eventually just becoming a crutch though and not encouraging people to further develop their skills.

@AceTaxiaGaming

Жыл бұрын

Ikr. "honest wargamer" invented nothing. Just slapped a bad name in it

@thattabletopguy

Жыл бұрын

@@AceTaxiaGaming If we are being fair, slapchop isn't a technique as much as it is a process or a workflow that combines a couple of techniques together to come up with a result. In that regards, yes, Rob invented slapchop. Taking old ideas and combining them in new ways is a form of innovation just as much as coming up with a new idea is.

@nukem8128

Жыл бұрын

@@AceTaxiaGaming bitter much?

@blazingknight.

Жыл бұрын

@@nukem8128 slapchop just sounds dumb and cheap as a term though

@s7r49

7 ай бұрын

​@thattabletopguy what's the new part exactly?. I know a lot of people who have painted this way for decades.

This is more than a rehash of an already published technique, it's an exploration and comparison of alternatives. Great work!

I really am enjoying how many youtube minipainters are taking their own shots at Slapchop just really makes me happy to see this love of the art going on and everyone trying to expand that art. From what I have learned it really does seem that once again Airbrushes are amazing and worthwhile investments for not much more than a couple boxes of space marines, especially if you are trying to speed up your painting. I know the time I have saved with my airbrush just base coating has paid back the investment. And I think you and Ninjon are really on the right track here with a little more time spent highlighting after the initial slapchop not only doesn't take a lot of time but also really brings the model up that extra notch to make it more. Also that being sparing with the contrast paint seems to be the trick for bringing out the values you spent time building with the undercoat.

@lordsnake1988

Жыл бұрын

For this technic it makes 0 sense to buy an airbrush. Spray cans from Vallejo will do the same without horrible noise and hundred of Euros spent

@JordanR

Жыл бұрын

@@lordsnake1988 Honestly that's probably the most eye catching thing about this method: The amount of elitism that came out of the woodwork the moment everyone and their mother started using a method that gave satisfactory results without the need for specialized tools, or watching endless hours of painting tutorial videos. There has been far too much digital ink spilled on the subject of 'Slapchop shmapchop! Watch me take it up a notch by unironically adding 30 minutes to the process! Make sure to tune in to my next response video where I explore how much better air brushing than lame old Scrubchop!', completely missing the point that this is a speed painting method useful for beginners.

Great video, Dana! For me, the problem with regular slap chop in its mass appeal form is the monochrome starting point. Contrast over greys and blacks is desaturated and muddy. With proper grisaille you clearly define your volumes and textures first, which is a much more intensive process than the drybrushing in slapchop I think the key to getting this method to really pop is going to be color, and using different colors for the first two steps. With an orc, I'd personally either go with a dark blue or dark red (depending on whether I wanted to skew cool or warm) followed by a zenithal of an off-white cream color and then do the white drybrush and contrast. I think that would end up giving you a lot more color interest in your shadows and midtones because you wouldn't be going over black and grey. And for folks without an airbrush, a color primer followed by a zenithal of wraithbone will do a really similar job. As soon as army painter release their pink primer this month I'm going to grab a can and try slapchop+ my imperial fists without an airbrush.

@packcrackergoose7111

Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see this put into practice. Any recommendations?

I was also rooting for the grey undercoat, so I was shocked to see how "poorly" it preformed in comparison. I think I'm going to try "Palechop", but with following Marco Frisoni's method of applying shade -not just to the deepest recesses but the undersides of the entire mini before drybrushing.

I've been painting a bunch of Don't Look Back models and using the standard slopchop method and I really like how shadowed and desaturated they look. Feels thematic for horror minis!

@Gumlass1

Жыл бұрын

Can we see them somewhere?

@TRTT

Жыл бұрын

oh hey it's the ranty lady I like (who does the good rants i like)

I actually really like how you standard/first attempt at slapchop looked, I love that darker dirtier look. To me muruading orcs, battle worn space Marines and alien monstrosities should be dark and dirty looking with washed out pale colors, war should be dirty. I can totally see scenarios where you'd want those brighter more vibrant colors too though, like you said it's all about what look you're going for. Awesome video, I'm just getting into this hobby and am super excited about it.

Your Contrast & Speedpaint guide is a great resource for the miniatures community. Thank you for providing such a splendid service!

@curtcleancut

Жыл бұрын

I want to piggyback off this comment and say thank you as well! The link that you provided that lists out the colors and uses is something that I'll be leveraging. Thanks so much for providing quality content. You rock!

I've found that painting the skin white on otherwise normally-underpainted models really helped when using caucasian flesh-colored Contrast/Speed paints. YMMV on darker flesh tones. Otherwise, it really felt like the skin came out too shadowed and hard to read. It also helped it contrast more with clothing/armor/equipment/hair.

@fan-i-am

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! I'm using Army Painter Speedpaints and found zenithal does not work well. The shading is just too dark even when using a grey primer. Especially for the faces/skin.

I am just starting painting miniatures or any painting for that matter in over 25 years. I have purchased an airbrush kit, brushes, primers and paints with no skill and tones of ambition. :) I am so glad people like you make videos like this. I am not so scared to start painting again. I feel like life has beaten the artistic side out of me over the years but I am determined to be a good artiest again.

Dana! The moment I saw the 'slap chop method' I thought back to your own videos, where you demonstrated and explained this technique with more nuance and in a way that was helpful to me, even though I only brush paint. The concept didn't change. Your contrast paint videos have been really helpful for making some purchase decisions. Love your work. Ty.

Happy birthday to your channel! Great job!

The color comparison chart website is very helpful. Thank you so much! Looks like you put a lot of time into it.

love seeing these comparisons, thanks for putting in the work and sharing

Great video and thank you so much for providing the resource to check colors. Keep up the great work Dana!

Woo so good to see you again. Thank you for all your hard work.

An absolute banger of a video! Very well done, I liked a lot! I've been trying diferent techniques too for my Infinity the game minis, and the "slapchop" variants plus contrast helps a lot!

I’ve been out of the hobby for the last few years and your painting stuff is REALLY making me want to get back into painting ❤

Fantastic comparison of variations on the method, Dana. thanks so much! I had tried doing the "Grey Chop" method on an Infinity model and found it a bit dark/flat when finished, and here you've identified Grey Chop as the least impressive variation, so after seeing your results with the "PaleChop" variation, I think that'll be what I try next. Thanks again!

Great video, Dana! I cant wait to try out your palechop method.

Thank you for comparing all these. Really helped me pick a method for the look I’m after

This is spot on what I was wondering when I saw SlapChop. How does it compare to Dana’s undercoating? I have an airbrush but haven’t broken it out yet. This gives me the confidence that it is indeed worth mastering for undercoating. Well done Dana! These comparison-type videos are fantastic.

My underpainting process (adapted from yours) is spray paint zenithal (using wraith bone instead of white), black oil wash to darken the shadows, then finish off with a white dry brush to pick out the edges.

Great review of the slapchop!!! This answered so many questions I had about possible combos/techniques. Cheers!

Great review. Love the comparison of different styles. Congrats on becoming part of the Army Painter development team.

Another great video! Saw something similar on another channel about using washes with slap chop and its a technique that will definitely be used more often.

This was brilliant...I had been wondering about this exact series of options (aside from the grey). Thanks for doing the test!

Thanks for taking the time showcasing slap chop. You rock! As an entry level miniature painter who still hasn't gotten around to getting an airbrush, this was super informative.

Happy Birthday to this channel!!!

Thank you so much for this videos. You just saved me so much time with experimenting in these styles. I will be trying white primer with the wash applied to recesses then a white dry brush.

Dana out here doing the science we all need. Thanks Dana!

Thanks for all the work you put into this!

I love your channel and I love your video. I saw your underpaiting video some years ago and change my way to see the hobby with the glazing

Ninjon suggested using golden high flow titan buff instead of white and I found i loved it more than regular slap chop. Helped with the sort of chalkiness you get with slap chopping sometimes.

@scoobydruid

Жыл бұрын

Those Golden Highflow and SoFlat paints are really wonderful. I bought a bundle of each knowing at a minimum I’d get good utility out of the black and titan buff. Did not disappoint.

@saintmatthew956

Жыл бұрын

You dry brushed with golden high flow titan buff or used airbrush?

@McWerp

Жыл бұрын

@@saintmatthew956 airbrush. Could try drybrushing it though.

@McWerp

Жыл бұрын

@@saintmatthew956 maybe use the so flat rather than the high flow though

@WolfanTerror

6 ай бұрын

​@@McWerpI mean.. using an airbrush kinda defeats the point of slapchop. At that point it's just zenithal

Love the examination of the variations in technique Really helpful. I wonder about using that to create variations across your army while still having a consistent overall look. Also love the little bit of art history context dropped in. I don't have an art education and love learning the origins or "real world art" instances of mini-painting techniques to broaden my sources for inspiration. Would like to see more of that but can understand why it would be a distraction from what this video was really about. Patreon bonus content maybe?

These compare/contrast videos are such a great resource!

I've been recently experimenting like this as well (but without an airbrush). Even still, it's really useful to see the examples side by side, especially since I have been using different models and different colours. I appreciate Dana taking the time to demonstrate a variety of techniques using similar models and similar colours. Maybe the biggest take away should be the common sense approach of: Try out different things, and then do whatever works best for you.

Great video, I am switching to your air chop method now except using spray cans. Really great video editing and pacing, 10/10!

Great video. Will be using this as a reference for my new mini project. Thanks!

Great video! Very interesting demo. These are definitely styles I've experimented with but it's great to see them side by side. Especially as we in the north move into winter time and my airbrush becomes unusable out in the cold, cold, digit-freezing garage.

Have to say that the website with the paint comparison is FANTASTIC! I use it constantly. Thank you :)

Yay Dana back ❤️🥰🐶

A long time fan from up north, I point folks to your videos all the time. Videos like this are why I keep watching and why I tell folks to give you a look. Keep it up. BZ

@DanaHowl

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Always happy to see a fellow Canadian watching the channel!!!

Great vid as always, thank you! I’ve been using something similar to airchop but using Vallejo gloss white for the zenithal, making sure it goes on with good coverage and is glossy. I use mainly AP speed paint and it loves the slippery surface the gloss white leaves. Also a few drops of contrast medium mixed in on the pallet helps speed paint set fully and never reactivate.

I suffer from unwarranted overthinking and I more than often get stuck in HOW I am going to paint something rather than actually painting something. Awesome video. I will watch it several times. Thank you!

I'm all for painting all that grey plastic! More methods, more options! Thanks for the vid

I bought the Army Painter speed paint set after seeing your blog post on them(any product that will help me enjoy the hobby as a whole is ok in my book). Thank you for doing all the experiments and sharing with us because it only helps hopeless painters like myself.

Always love your videos, and I visited the site as soon as you mentioned it, brilliant! I'll get a lot of use it of that

Excited to watch this one!

Dana always coming with that perfect blend of get-to-the-point pragmatic guidance encapsulated in a healthy membrane of charisma and engaging editing that makes you go "oh no" when you notice the videos about to end.

@Broeckchen

Жыл бұрын

You put it into words perfectly!

been using your "airchop" method for a couple years, and LOVE IT!!! Only difference is I use Vallejo Pale Sand instead of White when drybrushing, find it helps "iluminate" the colors.

I have some classical training and I always appreciate your full explanations of things. I knew I'd learned "slap chop" years ago but I had completely forgotten the name: grissalle. Thank you for your great videos

Dana, Thank you. This has help me so much!

What a great video and a great website! Thanks for putting the work into this! Liked and subscribed.

I primed a bunch white so I am going to try your white prime with dark highlights. Thanks for the video!

Thank you for these tests, I had been wanting to test it out myself and also expected grey primer to work best. Now that I know it won't, that saves me some time and money.

Wonderful video! Congratulations and thank you!

Great video. Always enjoy your informative painting.

Very useful video for an old mini painter since 1979. Thanks.

I have an enormous backlog of models to paint. I really think I need to knock out these models using this style. As always, thanks for all your hard work on your videos. They are so helpful, and motivating to paint. Happy Channel Birthday!

Great reviews, I have not had great success with slap chop method I may try some different under costs and give it another shot. Thank you again for putting this video together

Wow, that contrast comparison site you've made is a brilliant resource

Very useful video; and very articulately presented. And, I really appreciated the comparison tests.

Well done using the sponsors product to share a practical example and a useful tool. Nice video

Hi Dana, congrats on being part of the army painter speedpaint team!

Happy Birthday channel. My how you've grown *tears up*

A good and thorough test and comparison. Very well done.

This is my favourite all time video about this topic; it's soooo well made, thank you SO much!

Thank you very much for all these tests and explanations ! This is just perfect ! :)

Yeah. You introduced me to that style. Thanks for that by the way. Top work missis.

I love the no hype analysis. Good work

Scandalous! I have been using the "white prime, black wash, white drybrush, Contrast paints" method since last year. Since Slapchop came along and made it trendy to give these things catchy names I've been calling it the "Zingbo method". 🤣 And now you come along and rename it! If only I'd told more than about a dozen people about it I might be Internet famous by now!

I actually like the first one and slapchop plus ones the best. They give a unique stylised result which I think is really cool.

I painted my Chaos Deamons in 2013 by priming them white and using GW glazes, a very quick way to paint them.

I haven't decided what color to paint my Kruleboyz clothes, and I really like how the purple looks. I may have to go with that!

Hello Dana! A very interesting video like all those of your wonderfull channel :) The link to see the contrast paintings seems to me of great help to be able to choose the right color and Thank you very much for your work. Sorry for my bad English but it's not my main language.

Thanks Dana, I don't have an airbrush, so this is very helpful! 😀

Thank you! I'm not a very accomplished painter, but ever since I heard about slap-chop I've been thinking "this is just zenithal and glazing, right?"

Thanks for the vid. I appreciate your informed and unhurried style.

I am painting the Dominion kruleboyz right now too! I was trying to go with a modified slapchop by undercoating with a color that I wanted my shadows to be tinted with, then dry brushing highlights with the color of my light source. Then slapchop as normal. So far the value difference between the colored undercoat and the dry brush hasn't been great enough to make it work as a one coat solution, but some layering to bring up the highlights really brings it home. Good tip in re-glazing with your original transparent paints to blend the highlights! Definitely gonna try that

Awesome, always love your content.

This was a fantastic video and just what I was looking for. Instant sub.

I discovered that by doing a very controlled layering, using careful application rather than drybrushing to gradually increase the brightness towards the most raised parts as well as using pastels or even bright colours like yellows and oranges or contrasting colours you can get some stunning results.

I was really worried that Pale Sand would not be in this video. Thank you for not letting me down!

Slapchop is very close to what I did for a lot of my models before I got my airbrush. A grisaille under painted value sketch is super useful. I often like coming in with a quick highlight of bright white with a regular brush where it needs the brightest highlights either before or after the dry brush.

Great work, this is really useful, thank you for the experiments.

Thanks so much! Love you

Good one! I use the AB, but with white ink instead of gray to build up to the brightest highlight, with a final white drybrush. But not contrast paint. Just regular paint thinned down with a 1:1:1 mix of matte medium, flow improver and distilled water. I then mix in the coulour I want to get the consistency I like for the models. Takes maybe 1 oir 2 minutes longer, but provides for more flexibility in colour choice (besides it's good for the wallet).

Dana thank you for all of the experimentation that went into this! I love seeing other people's results for different tries. I never considered using a dark wash for the recesses. That's a really cool idea. I own an airbrush, but I've never had good luck with white primer. So doing a zenithal with black primer and white ink is my preferred way. I like the all white look, but white primer is the devil (IMO).

I've been waiting for you to address this, thanks

Thank you for another great video.

Very useful video. In my initial try I got my model roo dark after drybushing. Based on your video I got some idea how can I improve it for the next attempt! 🙂

Great info! I definitely liked the standard and plus slapchop you did bc I think it best captures the grim dark flavor. Depending on what army it is of course. I'm painting orks and I think it is perfect for them. But if you're doing a tau or say ultra marine army I think the higher contrast methods would fit better. I'm brand new to painting though so idk what I'm talking about 😸

I find standard slapchop is really similar to regular contrast painting method but with slightly more exaggerated highlights compared to contrast over a wraithbone undercoat. I like using slapchop to give me a really quick paint job to the model then later on I can go back and use very bright edge highlights to bring the details out. That final bright highlight takes the model from a 6/10 to an 8/10 for very little work and can be done whenever I like the model is basically done after the contrast is applied.

Recently I started my zenithals with terracota>yellow>pale sand/white instead of black>gray>white when doing my glazing. It added a layer of realism to my final glazing.

I've also been doing Slap Chop Kruleboys for Orktober. The use of Contrast-alikes has made the painting process so fast. And, honestly, it's probably some of my best work as a mini painter thus far. Although I've been using a modified Slap Chop method I learned from a different KZreadr (whose name escapes me, unfortunately). It involves beginning with a bone-colored primer (Rustoleum "Fossil"), followed by a brown wash (Army Painter Strong Tone), then successive drybrush of bone (Army Painter Skeleton Bone), warm off-white (Army Painter Mummy Robes), and pure white (Army Painter Matt White). The point of the beige-y prime was to skew the undercoat warm, so the orange and yellow SpeedPaints wouldn't come out sickly (as might happen with a black prime). I don't know if it's really done much to improve it over regular Slap Chop primes, but it's worked out well enough for my purposes. On another note, it is indeed very important to spread your Contrast-style paints thin. Otherwise, the highlights don't show through, and it just looks like a dark, solid color.

Thanks Dana! Love your videos and your color comparison website. I think you're missing Frostheart (one of the new contrast blues) on there.