Spot on Simon and good on Martin for acknowledging the Everton fans who actually stopped it from being worse

@lucabrasi3964

2 жыл бұрын

They stoped Viera from killing the wee lad. Are you blind

@mkodyChallengesYOurexistence

2 жыл бұрын

Even I would jump in and escort him And I know split seconds others would I don't condone violence on weekdays But on Sunday only ( get arteta I say lol )

@pessf400

Жыл бұрын

@@lucabrasi3964 are you blind and can’t read?

The only issue I have with the situation is that Vieira didn't kick the fan harder! Absolute muppet, you do that to someone in the street they act alot worse than that. People saying Vieira shouldn't have reacted, why is the fan on the pitch in the first place? If the fan isn't on the pitch or just acts like a normal person he doesn't get kicked, but he acted like a clown & it's only going to carry on until the PL & EFL do something serious about it!

@em8969

2 жыл бұрын

AGREED

@travisbickle5829

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I mean, I’m a passionate fan but behaving like that is just clowning.

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

Violence begets violence , no one attacked him physically he escalated the situation to Violence ....if that crowd were all animals like they are suggesting why wasn't he absolutely smashed up ? He wasn't he was then escorted by other fans.

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

I think you should read the law , if Viera did half the things he did on the pitch anywhere else he'd be in jail so daft comment.

@keonbrissett6144

2 жыл бұрын

@@Efcdan1878 relegation#just#madeit shut up

As Tyson said...social media has made people too comfortable disrespecting others and not getting punched in the face for it. This lad thought he could speak to Vieira in person like he would online but once Patrick challenged him back he didn't want to know. Typical social media generation.

@adavfc

2 жыл бұрын

👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@maxcsw5809

2 жыл бұрын

10000000000%

@BigJay703

2 жыл бұрын

You're right. But at the same time, that doesn't justify using violence for words.

@Djdc51

2 жыл бұрын

so true

@molsy1768

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigJay703 it does. The only check on rudeness is violence.

Fair play to Keown as well for acknowledging the Everton fans who actually stopped it being worse and HELPED Viera ✌️

@Delboy0

2 жыл бұрын

When Everton had the reputation of racists in the city of Liverpool are all Everton fans, a few days earlier Everton fans where racially abusing the parents of black Brentford players in the crowd and now when their team has a won and survived and should be celebrating, this fan goes over to Vieira shouting aggressive abuse at him, showing the world Everton really is a club for racists. Vieira took that anti-racism campaign literally Kick it out.

@wesleyselkridge2197

2 жыл бұрын

They didn't help Vieira they helped that kid...big Patrick was gonna light that boy up! The boy got lucky.

@04foreverinvincible69

2 жыл бұрын

@@wesleyselkridge2197 oh they helped vieira they helped him from not getting a definite fine

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

@@Delboy0 slander....didn't you see the massive anti racism sign we put up before game , If I heard it at the game I'd report don't judge us by the behaviour of a few dinosaurs who are not welcome at the ground.

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

@@04foreverinvincible69 if Viera took it any further the situation might have been ten times worse for him , he's lucky he left it at a kick on someone half his size, because there was no security in sight

I’m an Everton fan and I don’t blame Viera at all. I am all for fans expressing themselves but the problem is not every fan has good intentions. I am glad some of our fans helped Viera get out of there. That line shouldn’t be crossed against players and coaches. It can get dangerous quick like that Forest fan that decked Sheffield United player

@LEEOC

2 жыл бұрын

And it's Viera too, you wouldn't do that to Roy Keane, he'd do more kick ye

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know why they went for him but he did put himself in that position he could have stayed in the dugout

@johnou.k.3780

2 жыл бұрын

12 pt deduction, to Notts Forest , Port Vale and any other teams fans that abuse opponents , celebrate by all means

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@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnou.k.3780 well that be every single away team at Goodison this year banned then

Good job Patrick on kicking that bozo 🤣🤣

I don’t blame Viera. I’m not a Palace fan or indeed Arsenal fan, but he shouldn’t be put in that situation in the first place.

@cromwell8653

2 жыл бұрын

He assaulted the guy. Watch the film. Yes, he was being filmed and i have no doubt, he was being provoked, but since when was that an excuse to hit someone. The common law defence of self-defence also doesn't apply, because Viera INITIATED the violence. At the very least, the FA needs to take action. At the most, there maybe grounds for charges.

@cromwell8653

2 жыл бұрын

Viera is the manager of Palace. Managers inhabit a technical area at the side of the pitch. If Viera was strutting the pitch, it was because HE CHOOSE to be there. So it was Viera who put himself in that situation.

@tq6892

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for clarifying that you are not a Palace fan or an Arsenal fan as that has so much baring on holding your viewpoint.

@tq6892

2 жыл бұрын

@@cromwell8653 He wasn’t strutting aimlessly around the pitch he was attempting to head towards the tunnel area.

@kennetking1

2 жыл бұрын

@@cromwell8653 every manager goes onto the pitch at the end of the game. This is not a complex situation. The fans shouldn’t be there. It’s the law. Simple.

Self defense, it's a crazy World we're living in! I'm a Spurs supporter but in my opinion his kick should have been stronger!

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

It was not a violent crowd at the end it was joy and pure relief , and that lad called him a muppet and he turned round and booted a lad half his size ..... You don't punish Viera, you are basically saying it's ok for a fan to kick a manager off his feet.

@CarlitoGio

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, we are human beings, doesn't matter if he's a manager or not. I remember when Keown aggressively taunted Van Nistelrooy. Same thing.

@williambeck1574

2 жыл бұрын

Tony Wilson maybe your clan shouldn't have crucified our Lord, up the toffees 💙

@honeybadger9425

2 жыл бұрын

I think Viera will get in trouble sadly although no one will blame him. I watched the incident the fan basically just shoved a phone in his face and shouted abuse at him then turned to walk away then Viera snapped so self defence is probably not going to wash although the fan deserved it and im sure he will get banned from going.

@williambeck1574

2 жыл бұрын

@@honeybadger9425 shut up ,up the toffees 💙

Viera rolling back the years,never left him.

@yooyoo8637

2 жыл бұрын

Vieira* moron

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

Viera the Saint who would not make it through a match in today's game with his discipline

@josht3610

2 жыл бұрын

@@Efcdan1878 yes because today's game is soo much better 🙄🙄🙄

From a logistical perspective, it's a nightmare. I'm a security officer and I've done football matches. When there's a pitch invasion of that magnitude, we can't protect anyone, especially players and staff.

@michael43567

2 жыл бұрын

How does it even happen? Fans just overwhelm stewards?

@thefontofallgarbage8480

2 жыл бұрын

@@michael43567 20 thousand fans vs 500 stewards is 40 to 1 what can they do?

@robwright1286

2 жыл бұрын

@@thefontofallgarbage8480 The stewards are helpless against thousands of fans, we need deterrents such as fines to stop then doing it in the first place.

@thefontofallgarbage8480

2 жыл бұрын

@@robwright1286 Exactly my point and I bet I exaggerated on the amount of stewards. Fines only deal with it after the fact, it's a tough thing to deal with.

@tumukugizeemmanuel7587

2 жыл бұрын

Sensitize the fans to always support and celebrate responsibly. Pitch invasions should be condemned as strongly as possible. I think the clubs should be held responsible.

If a "fan" runs at a player DURING a game, that player (or players) should be allowed to take them down, because you never know. They might be armed. DON'T GO ON THE PITCH! I mean, does someone really need to get stabbed first before something is done? Is that it?

@mattyy101

2 жыл бұрын

Watch my recent video for what really happened

@ashwilliams4959

2 жыл бұрын

If your armed with a phone as a camera, are you armed and dangerous?

That fan absolutely deserved a foot up his behind. There is no reason for you to celebrate that way with absolutely no shame. Vieira my legend👏🏾🙌🏾🙏🏾

it was self defense...end of, leave big pat alone

@bluenose007

2 жыл бұрын

Its assault end of

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

He didn't get hands laid on him and he chose to walk across the pitch rather than stay in the dugout and wait for it to calm down, that being said no one's pressing any charges so move on.

@bluenose007

2 жыл бұрын

@Shiri hist 🟤 Leg end

@alexsaynor6717

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluenose007 No, the guy was in his face giving him abuse: it's a proportionate pre-emptive strike in self defence which actually defused the whole situation.

@bluenose007

2 жыл бұрын

if it was the other way round the fan would have been charged with assault and banned for life

Will be carnage when City win the league on Sunday. Imagine what the 27 fans will do when they run on

@jonny3801

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@brianohalloran4059

2 жыл бұрын

Oasis and their road crew😂

@Mr_krabz_mcfc

2 жыл бұрын

🥱

@youngcitybandit

2 жыл бұрын

💀💀💀

@jommyislam1877

Жыл бұрын

Loooool

That fan is lucky. Vierra catch that man alone in a dark alley... 💀🤣

@strumbolli

2 жыл бұрын

Viera was lucky could've got nasty. He earns enough money to rise above it.

@rasheed5700

2 жыл бұрын

@@strumbolli money aint everything,that fan was in the wrong and he deserves a beating,the fan was really lucky

@shimbakatema4026

2 жыл бұрын

@@strumbolli always about money,have you ever been in a position where you have had to walk through a hostile environment?That was hostile come on,if Gary Neville or Alan Shearer had that happen would you view be about how much they earn?

@markstarmer3677

2 жыл бұрын

You wouldn’t bleeding see vierra for one thing, so he would have the advantage.

@sprinter1832

2 жыл бұрын

@@strumbolli What's money got to do with it??? are you jealous that Viera is wealthier than you???

I can listen to Simon all day, his points are always relevant and insightful seeing that he has a lot of insider experience in football.

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

He gets more Tory and out of touch by the day

@Sirjohnfootball

2 жыл бұрын

@@Efcdan1878 Tory or not, he’s right about Everton fans being scummy tossers

@lucabrasi3964

2 жыл бұрын

@@Efcdan1878 Amen

@leweegiggles

Жыл бұрын

He's nothing but a snobby little twat. He doesn't even go to his team's games

Totally with Simon here, Viera was right to do what he did, you only have to look at the Forest v Sheffield game to see what could of happened.

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

He wasn't anyone and I mean anyone who is violent on the pitch should be spoken to at least.

@lucabrasi3964

2 жыл бұрын

But that's not what happened. Two completely different scenarios

They should actually show that video to kids in schools so people understand before they get to adulthood that you cant just get in people's faces and expect nothing to happen

@mikesweeney1827

2 жыл бұрын

Its all over Twitter so Im sure they have seen it 👍

@leep2198

2 жыл бұрын

And iron mikes vid too loool

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

No they definitely shouldn't two adults acting like violent petty idiots , the rich successful football manager kicking someone half his size and the disrespectful mouthy lad.

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

@@leep2198 great sportsman , dreadful role model.

Very similar to the Wembley euro final...the media was saying how great it was seeing fans building up outside...sky reporting it from right in the middle of the mayhem. Sky have been broadcasting/covering Everton fans over the last few weeks intimidating the away teams. I don't want to say it is the only cause but does seem to aggrovate and encourage mass fan problems. In my opinion...

@davidkeeling655

2 жыл бұрын

No excuse fans shouldn't be allowed on the pitch full stop.

The only way to stop this is by effecting the result of the game! I.e. Everton docked 10 points = Everton fans crying that they were stupid enough to come on the pitch! Nottingham Forest banned from Final = Notts fans crying that they were stupid enough to come on the pitch! Northampton docked 10 points next season = Northampton fans crying that they were stupid enough to come on the pitch! Port Vale banned from the final = Port Vale fans crying that they were stupid enough to come on the pitch! Huddersfield Town banned from the final = Huddersfield fans crying that they were stupid enough to come on the pitch! This will scare other fans not to go on the pitch or else their team will suffer! Harsh but fair before someone gets killed!

This woman starting to get annoying now! Always asking a question then never letting the person answer without butting in

@glennhoddle10

2 жыл бұрын

She's trying to look smart but ends up looking like a complete tool.

@Geordie_

2 жыл бұрын

Aye she’s a daft bint. Couldn’t stand her had to turn it off

It has to stop before someone is seriously injured or even killed, Warn all supporters if they come on the pitch their season tickets will be stopped and a banning order in place, I agree with Simon it has to be the police not stewards who should be all around the pitch especially at PL clubs if they can spend millions on players and staff then they can afford to have the police in the ground to make it safe for everyone, we have to remember a lot of kids attend matches with their parents and if this is not stopped soon then the future generations will think this is acceptable behaviour which obviously it’s not, it’s just a matter of time before someone gets killed or the away fans come onto the pitch then we are back into the 70s/80s and well get banned from European games once again.

@NL-fg6it

2 жыл бұрын

Tories cut 20,000 plus police, mate. Never gonna happen. What clubs and the league can do is spend more on more roigorous security in greater numbers. Agree with what you said though.

@strumbolli

2 жыл бұрын

Behave

@dawnsparks9207

2 жыл бұрын

@@NL-fg6it Why always bring it back to tories it has been going on for years clubs can pay for extra police it does not happen every game throughout the season its games like these relagation battles & league winning games clubs should be prepared for this ( Leave politics out of football )

@1radiospeaker

2 жыл бұрын

@@NL-fg6it and labour spend money there is not, every time they are in

@1radiospeaker

2 жыл бұрын

happened when blair was in, corbin,,, manfesto was , going spend on this and that , give aways

Patrick Vieira has been a revelation this season managing Crystal Palace - Many questioned his ability to step up to management from being a legendary club player for many legendary players have tried and failed to be able to mange top club football teams. Patrick has delivered a fantastic management job for Crystal Palace. If Patrick gets charged for misconduct at Everton then all decent football fans will be outraged for he did nothing wrong.

This can so easily lead to a stampede, and considering there are infants in the stadium, it is extremely disappointing to see emotions get the better of fans, which can lead to severe consequences.

@robertmorici8605

2 жыл бұрын

it's fun man don't be a baby

@benito2278

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertmorici8605 yeah fun until someone gets killed

@panathasg13

2 жыл бұрын

You wouldn't get your "infant" do a game like this number one... Number 2 Infants? Come on bruv. Yea they just popped out of the mother to go to football

@MrLewbaah

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertmorici8605 it’s fucking embarrassing, celebrate in the stands why do you need to run on the pitch. It’s small club mentality that’s what it is

@lynnyapphd6060

2 жыл бұрын

Remember the Hillsborough???

Vieira didn't even do much of anything. Also, looking at the video, Patrick ignored the guy pretty much up until the end when the kid was running away which makes me think the kid said something, maybe it was racial maybe not, to make Vieira turn to engage

@henryavril

2 жыл бұрын

In other videos, you can see he was giving the finger to Vieira in his face. And yes, who knows what things he was saying?!

@anthonybatty1198

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t put words into his mouth he can later use in his defence especially the race card

@bigredfella13

2 жыл бұрын

the eejit was videoing himself and its floating around social media, from the bit I've seen there was no racist abuse, I must admit it I did wonder

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

He got called a muppet and flipped the bird nothing worse

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigredfella13 it's a bit racist that people jump to that straight away and what happened to Toney & Henry was abhorrent

We need a zero tolerance towards people coming onto the pitch and that includes sanctioning the parents/guardians of the children increasingly running onto the pitch asking for players shirts.

If someone comes into your close personal space, and makes you feel in danger and threatened, you are allowed to use reasonable force to remove yourself from that situation. Viera did not follow up, and continue to attack the fan, once he’d got him away from his face. This is the law, whether people like it or not. We have to live by what the law is, not what we think it should be. Also, the person goading/threatening Viera is committing a criminal offence by being on the pitch.

@rickybubbles7350

2 жыл бұрын

100%

@jimboll6982

2 жыл бұрын

Viera didn't use reasonable force. He should have kicked the moran harder

@chriswilson805

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately Nick, your interpretation isn’t correct. Reasonable force wouldn’t be substantiated in this circumstance. At no point did the fan physically assault Viera, nor was anyone else being attacked. He wasn’t defending property either. Albeit, I think Viera did everyone a favour.

@edenhazard2751

2 жыл бұрын

Viera did right thing. Fan was abusing him. That man deserved that kick.

@sheldenmahmood6750

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry mate you need to change ur laws that why this country is lawless

Spent years not liking Vieira despite respecting him as a footballer. When I watched the footage I was rooting him on and I now have a newfound like for him. If he had kicked the guy's head in, I'd have been on his side 100%.

To prevent this. If the fans invade the pitch then the team loses 30 points. Possible more. I think it ends it.

@tomw6947

2 жыл бұрын

That's an odd way of dealing with it, maybe rival fans will sit in the opersite end and run on the pitch to get their rivals deducted points, so your theory is already broken. Grounds are full of camera's so if it's such a big problem then start handing out long bans for any fan who enters the pitch.

Awful security by Everton, they knew a pitch invasion would be high on the list if Everton won

@FreshAlchemy

2 жыл бұрын

It was a glorious pitch invasion. Did you watch it? No-one got hurt, and Lampard was celebrating with the fans on the pitch, it ended up being a massive party. Viera was just in a bad mood because his team lost. This is all a load of bullsh*t. So far, between this and the Forest pitch invasion, thousands of people have been on the pitch and only two physical assaults occurred, and one of them was committed by Patrick Viera! Get a grip people.

@yoohyuk7625

2 жыл бұрын

@@FreshAlchemy it happened you idiot,you can invade the pitch but you don't touch the opponent team

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

Just completely outnumbered so they have to pick their battles , not helped by the away team entering the ground at a different point.... I'm happy for Searching to come in before the games if it stops fireworks and all sorts entering the ground.

@nemtbackagian7189

2 жыл бұрын

@@FreshAlchemy how had that fan just celebrated with the other fans instead of being up in vieras face like a 5 year old nothing would have happend

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

@@nemtbackagian7189 Only responsible for your own behaviour , the lad walked away he could have left it but he chose to be Big hard Viera , if other fans turned on him after he lashed out first would that have been fair game ?? No

On Monday it was Newcastle's last home game of the season. It was a fantastic performance but at the end not one fan came on the pitch, despite the euphoria. If we can behave, why can't other clubs behave?

@mohamadkhazal2390

2 жыл бұрын

I was watching the replay of the Arsenal game yesterday and I was thinking the same .. tbh. St James park to me looked more organized than Goodison park

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

Newcastle fans the pinnacle of fan behaviour ... Give me a break.

@originalrbp2869

2 жыл бұрын

What were Newcastle playing for in thay game exactly? Oh yeah...nothing

@mohamadkhazal2390

2 жыл бұрын

@@originalrbp2869 Newcastle were playing for 10-12 place in the PL while Everton were playing for 16-18 place :)

@williambeck1574

2 жыл бұрын

Fat geordie drunks couldn't get over the perimeter wall up the toffees 💙

Thank you Simon, please talk some sense into these people. Self defense.

For once I agree with Simon,imagine hundreds of strangers suddenly run up on you at work...my defenses would be peak personally,pay the stewards

@Phil_Mitchell

2 жыл бұрын

Simon is an elitist so of course he'll back Vieira. Nothing happened to Vieira, he was the one who attacked the fan. Vieira was always an overrated hack who always got bullied by the superior Roy Keane and now he's just butthurt all these years later by attacking fans. Sorry but football is about the fans and not elite losers like Simon Jordan. The Everton fans showed passion which is lacking in our game today. Everything is too politically correct.

@martinnikodinoski6474

2 жыл бұрын

@@Phil_Mitchell have you seen the video of the fan and what he was saying?! Imagine someone came up to you in the middle of the street and was flipping you off and calling you names. You’d be okay with it and wouldn’t react? Stfu with your “elitist” bs and defending this hooliganism. This is a complete lack of respect and breach of boundaries.

@tawandatawanda8388

2 жыл бұрын

@@Phil_Mitchell the fan had no business being on the pitch.

@Phil_Mitchell

2 жыл бұрын

@@martinnikodinoski6474 So the fan said mean things, so what? That doesn't give Vieira the right to try and kick him. He wasn't even threatened.

@Phil_Mitchell

2 жыл бұрын

@@tawandatawanda8388 Yes he did, the game was more or less done by them and Everton fans had every right to celebrate after a long hard season.

We have no idea what those fans were saying and perhaps threatening to do. It was a farce and if Patrick is punished it will lead to more similar events and perhaps worse.

I love it when Simon criticises the media and talkSPORT present straight away runs to defend the media lol

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

Simon been part of the media longer than he was an owner and his views get more out of touch by the day.

@philwill0123

2 жыл бұрын

Err, she's not defending the media. She is playing devil's advocate to perpetuate the discussion otherwise this would be a 2 min discussion where everyone agrees Vieira was right, and discussion over.

Comparing a fan attacking a player to a manager bein confronted by a hostile fan? Right to defend themselves 👍

@ianjohnson4541

2 жыл бұрын

Defend themselves from what? The only physical assault was committed by viera. 4 months

@derekkerr5847

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianjohnson4541 verbally confronting sumone wi aggressive/threatening behaviour is assault...Pat just added the battery = 0 months but mibbe a wee talkin to

@ianjohnson4541

2 жыл бұрын

@@derekkerr5847 OK, 2 months.. meet you halfway 😀

@pragasanarchary2980

2 жыл бұрын

@@ianjohnson4541 if u raise your hand up to someone, its construed as assault by law. Dont know if that's been replaced by some forest laws.

@ianjohnson4541

2 жыл бұрын

@@pragasanarchary2980 thanks for clearing that up.

I don't know why young folks this days are so disrespectful to their elders. Parents should teach this young folks morals and respect. Why don't you move on and join the celebration instead of jumping in front of the opposition Coach. That kid should be banned and the parents should be held responsible for not training their child properly.

@ashwilliams4959

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah blame younger people as if these pitch invasions only started recently. The older generation shouldn't have done it years ago, didn't set a great example

@russellharvey698

2 жыл бұрын

because this crappy generation are spoiled ... just need a good hard slap to put them in line!

@hi-ls6lt

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, like this didn’t happen in the parents’ generation and earlier. I swear people need to do some research before making some generalisation that they think will solve everything

Jordan and Keown are right. Vieira shouldn't be charged with anything. We live in an age where some people think it's okay to spout vitriol [e.g. on social media] and expect no comeback. This thinking can translate into physical behavior: Some people think it's okay to put hands on someone, again with no comeback. It's not.

@lucabrasi3964

2 жыл бұрын

Have you even watched the guts video. The guy was being a canny but that doesney justify viera assaulting him.

Can i just say since the grealish incedent and now sharp.. do you not think players and managers are abit more worried about the fans attacking them??

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

The one lad who was being disrespectful, He walked away from Viera , Viera chose to then assault him and escalate the situation...he was about 20 yards from the away exit

@ashwilliams4959

2 жыл бұрын

Na else viera wouldn't have gone after the fan. People are ignoring the fact viera was walking away but heard something he didn't like, then went after the fan. Had he been hurt, it would've been his fault for chasing after them especially seeing as the 'dangerous' fan waving his phone around had started to go elsewhere.

@ashwilliams4959

2 жыл бұрын

@@Efcdan1878 at least someone else has noticed, thought I'd gone mad

@wadeadams6043

2 жыл бұрын

He tapped him on his leg tho... he didnt full on hit the guy, anyway everton fans shouldnt even be on the pitch they deserve a 10 point deduction hahahahahahaha

Big up the Evertonains for helping Viera this is coming from a Tottenham fan

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

I just don't get why you would go for Viera , I was too busy celebrating with my family (in my seat)

@BB-gt6bo

2 жыл бұрын

@@Efcdan1878 I don’t myself mate

Seemed to my like Frank hardly defended Viera. Sympathizing with and backing are different. At minimum he should condemn pitch invasions right? Then again, Robbie Mustoe condones it as well.

@FreshAlchemy

2 жыл бұрын

No, he should have his own opinion, not bow down to what you think he should think or say.

@Bee-hf3fc

2 жыл бұрын

I never said he shouldn't, though I disagree with his and what he's implying. Because, I'm untitled to my opinion just like his. Did you even fully comprehend what I said? Seems like you just rushed in.

@Bee-hf3fc

2 жыл бұрын

@@FreshAlchemy Bow down? Who you debating? The troll in your head? Not even close did I suggest and such thing.

To me a very simple rule should be in place--players are not allowed in the stands and fans are never allowed on the pitch. When either breached, LEGAL consequences.

I,m surprised that none of them know its an offence to go onto the playing area. If they knew what they were talking about their views would be worth listening to

Vieira should not have kicked out at the fan, but those fans were being abusive to him including smacking and jabbing him so he has the right to defend himself. If the league says anything about it as I suspect they will I hope there is no penalty. I say that as a Spurs fan with no particular skin in that game -- I glad Everton remain up.

I blame Will Smith

Lol & the Clough comparison. Brian Clough wasn’t defending himself … he was walking around punching fans(some of them his own) 🤣 He’s a different breed from a different time

I'm an evertonian and saw the video of the thug who was swearing and getting in Patrick Vieira's face,100% Vieira was correct,would be ridiculous to take this any further.

The Swindon players The Viera incident Something needs to be done super quick This is a societal issue Something really bad is gonna happen soon if these things aren’t stopped

Need to give point deductions to clubs that have fans invading pitches. Fans will stop doing it then.

@GavP75

2 жыл бұрын

@@gavincunningham4598 so if a point deduction is enforced fans will police themselves and won’t invade and same goes for playoffs and invading pitches will become a thing of the past where it belongs. Just because something has been allowed in the past it does make it right and doesn’t mean we should allow it to continue. We don’t burn witches anymore…

@GavP75

2 жыл бұрын

@@gavincunningham4598 I agree lower league teams this can be an issue, but just because something is hard to do to it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t and can’t be done.

@GavP75

2 жыл бұрын

@@gavincunningham4598 I didn’t say it would be easy, but that something isn’t easy is not a reason not to do it. 3rd, possibly 4th generation Chelsea fan as if that makes any difference. …so yes I grew up on the 70s/80s and that’s not a time we should want to go back to.

Everton should banned from the first 3 games next season. The pitch invasion and attack of the Everton fan on Vierra is an absolute disgrace to English football.

@james505ism

2 жыл бұрын

Attack? He didn’t lay a finger on Viera. Shameful from the fan either way but get a grip ya snowflake.

@MrJevman

2 жыл бұрын

Oh do shut up

@gazza3787

2 жыл бұрын

As should Nottingham forest 👍

I love how level-headed SJ is on absolutely everything. Never bias, just someone with common sense to make up for some of the others on Talksport

Why punish viera the blame sorely falls on everton and their fans

I'm not a Arsenal fan or Palace fan, but put your self in Pat's shoes. What happened to Billy, and walking through hundreds of Everton fans. It's fight or flight.... fair play Patrick he has done nothing wrong. And big up the Everton fans who helped him. 👍

2nd time in a Week Everton Fans have been in Headlines for Fan behaviour…. I watched a video earlier in the Week which featured a House that was flying a Liverpool Flag celebrity their FA Cup Win…. Apparently this was very close to Goodison Park and certain Evertonians wasn’t happy…. So about 50 brave warriors turned up at the House banging the Doors and Windows, shouting and threatening, throwing eggs and other stuff at the House until 1 flag managed to climb up and get the flag…. I hate Liverpool also but there were Young Kids in that House who will now be terrified to go to sleep at night, the Father said the Kids were obviously traumatised, imagine being 6 years old and seeing 50 Men acting in a violent manner while a few of them make a half hearted attempt to gain entry to your Home, they must have been petrified, imagine what they were thinking???? I bet they thought they were here to kill them and their mother and father…. I really hope those involved are proud of themselves, proper hero’s them lot, I bet none of them would have even mentioned the flag if they had to knock the door on their own COWARDS…. Things like that level of trauma have a massive impact on their Life’s and will be a factor on what kind of Person they are gunna be when they are Adults…. If it were Me and trust Me I’ve done bad things in the past but the thought of Me being the reason that Young Kids are afraid to be in their own Home I would go back and apologise personally

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

Let it go you bitter little so and so , she knew what she was doing putting the flag up yards from goodison and no one threatening to kill anyone touch dramatic there .... Fine for Liverpool to intimidate/force residents to move for the new stand.

Love this lady presenter encouraging debate

Great response Simon,spot on!!.

With this madness, it could be another Hillsborough disaster!!! if u do remember, NO fans should be allowed to go into the pitch, in my opinion......Where s the flipping Security / or Police oopps

@JackTheladd

2 жыл бұрын

Many would have been saved if the fans could have got to the pitch at Hillsborough. That was a police disaster.

@chrismanning675

2 жыл бұрын

Where are the fans brain cells?

@leebryden8322

2 жыл бұрын

Wheres police /security? Everyone knows the side with most numbers will always get wat they want how many police/ security go to the game compared to fans

@philwill0123

2 жыл бұрын

@@leebryden8322 then police will be attacked in media for going in heavy handed "attacking jubilant supporters".

Vieira should never have been in that position. EFC failed in their basic duty of care to protect ALL the fans, players and staff of the teams involved in the game. If anyone should be sanctioned for their actions then it's EFC for not anticipating the potential for post match disorder whatever the result.

@bieituns

2 жыл бұрын

It's impossible to stop 40 thousand people coming on the pitch unless you put them in cages, but then you get a Hillsborough disaster situation.

@sprinter1832

2 жыл бұрын

@@bieituns 40,000 people at EVERTON???? c'mon pull the other one!

Viera shouldn't be fined. The FA should be fined for their failure to provide a safe working environment. And it might be 30 years ago but I still clearly recall Monica Seles getting stabbed mid match and last week a spectator assaulted Chapelle while carrying a knife. We've also seen evidence recently that security protocols are fallible with flares at plenty of games. If a fan is going to break the law by trespassing on the pitch, then get into any player/managers personal space (close enough to assault them) then the FA and clubs should back their staff right to defend themselves and not send a message that protecting yourself is not accepted. Way to tell all the idiots out there they can do what they want and any person they target is expected to do nothing.

As a Palace fan. of course I get the joy!! and well done Everton, but, where was the security around PV??. We need to sort this or someone is gonna get hurt. Huge up to the Everton Fans that shielded PV, they deserve special treatment at Palace next time they come down to South London and they should be celebrated....maybe rewarding fans for good behaviour ( the majority) is a better concept.....mind you...Boris and all that lol!!

"Who's going to pay for it?" If it keeps going on like this it could be fatal from crushing or fan altercations. think off the children and the vulnerable. For the amount of money that's in football safety should be priority. Pretty sure the FA and the clubs can afford the police presence.

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

So far its been tit for tat , a fan hit a player at forest and a manager attacked a fan

Honestly Vieira was so lucky, that could have turned really ugly for him. Surrounded by opposition fans and that happens. Him lashing out and kicking at a fan could have turned into a pile on. I cant believe the police wasn’t escorting him

@96s40

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm. I have zero love for Everton. The fan was an absolute prick and would’ve deserved worse. However, I’ve seen plenty of Everton fans defending Viera and said many people would’ve KO’d the fan (deservingly). My thoughts were initially the same but to the credit of a sane portion, some seemed to usher Viera away whilst the coward who harassed and abused him cowered away. On a side note; he has every reason to be extremely angry at a mass pitch invasion during the game- aside from the harassment/ abuse. Surprised nobody is addressing points deductions as it won’t have been the first time to happen.

@grassrootsfootball225

2 жыл бұрын

The fan was having bad banter at the wrong time emotions will be high but viera wasn't put in a position he had to defend himself, he exploded and lashed out, he was the only man to swing there... He could have highlighted this incident after the game and everybody would have seen him being ridiculed.. i can understand vieras frustration but he crossed the line too make no mistake about that

@grassrootsfootball225

2 жыл бұрын

@@96s40 a points deduction for running on the pitch after surviving relegation.. what has our game come to 🤦🤦

If Veira goes into the stands to argue with fans and gets punched by a fan,then everyone would be saying it’s his own fault for going where he shouldn’t in the first place,no different if a fan goes where he shouldn’t and gets hit by a player,manager or staff

This will only stop when someone gets badly hurt it always takes something big for actual change to happen

Patrick did what was required, and rightly so

@DSN262

2 жыл бұрын

EU is dead 😆

Did the Everton "fan" press charges? NO. End of story.What right does the EPL have to punish P.V.The law of the land,surely,includes football pitches also?

Well said Simon Sir; you're the real Sir.

I’m an everton fan - and good on patrick I reckon. Thousands of blues ran to celebrate with our players - and as always there’s one total clown causing an issue.

Viera did nothing wrong. #FreePalestine

@jaydentate6080

2 жыл бұрын

Burn Palestine

@edenhazard2751

2 жыл бұрын

Viera did nothing wrong but free palestine? is that why israel is taking it because it is free lol?

He’s only human at the end of the day! I would of done the same thing if not worse.

@crispenkaseke6293

2 жыл бұрын

Simon u are a racist u wanted him (Viera) to be stabbed then react afterwards

@MurphEfc

2 жыл бұрын

Are you a big hard case are you lad 😂

@darren8590

Жыл бұрын

@@MurphEfc hardly makes you a hard man does it. Could say the same about you hiding behind a screen thinking your a big hard man 👏

This was a juicy debate. Love it

The pitch invasion didn't happen instantly. It happened after CL went into the crowd to celebrate, this made a few fans nearby to get closer. The rest of the fans thought now's a great time to jump in. So when you lot talk about pitch is for the players, which I absolutely agree, the stands are for the fans. A player shouldn't be interacting the way Calvert Lewin did. It's the Everton players who instigated whole thing. When addressing the issue, address it properly fellas

@jdrummerdd

2 жыл бұрын

Nah stay off the pitch you fuckin dickhead

@philwill0123

2 жыл бұрын

Difference is, the Everton fans weren't hostile to DCL, so interacting de escalated a serious situation. Viera was surrounded and confronted.

Lucky those Everton fans only got a kick! Disgraceful. Vieira had to defend himself!

@bluenose007

2 жыл бұрын

Defend from what

@sprinter1832

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluenose007 Blue shyte!!

After watching the player get head butted the other day I would of done the same in Patrick's position it's called self defence , yes the fan didn't hit him but imagine what was going through Patrick's mind he was probably shitting it

@bigredfella13

2 жыл бұрын

exactly, he had someone screaming at him while shoving his hand in vieiras face ask Roy Keane, Vieira don't play games or back down lol

Everton should be docked the 3 points and a heavy fine for a pitch invasion. Only weeks ago a fan tied himself to the post during a game. Security firm should be sacked. Viera is innocent

@strumbolli

2 жыл бұрын

Shut up

@alexw5042

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn't a fan lol

Am glad he stood his ground

It’s not the FAs fault. They had to take fences down.

@Efcdan1878

2 жыл бұрын

Treat people like animals they act like animals

Automatic points deduction to any club who’s fans rush onto the pitch, since the stewards and police are no good have the fans police themselves.

"We'll be back here next year talking about the same thing", nah more like 3 days

A legend DM he couldn't let an attack unchallenged

Natalie Sawyer pretending that she has no idea why people like pitch invasions and that she finds it 'bizzare' is so funny like come off it you know exactly why people like it.

Big up Pat Viera, he done what any other man would do but the nature of this game and what it means to the evertonians shouldn't be lost in all of this ..I'm not making excuses but I see a lot of comments from people up on their high horse who will never know what it means to these supporters, I can picture these boys in suits on the train to work or in their offices on their morale high ground.. they ridicule them because the only thing they have in life is their football team, which only makes our love for it stronger... this game is sacred

I love pitch invasions. They add so much spirit and ecstasy to the event. For situations like this, the governing bodies need to realize its unique and not punish people like Viera. I really wish he knocked the fan out. That idiot deserved it.

Can’t see the point where anyone can paint this where the Everton fan is the victim of something. What the hell was he thinking getting in Vieira’s face and filming him, why was he there harassing him? The lad escaped with a clip, a few more of them prior might have prevented him from acting like that in the first place.

Virea is in his place of work he should have the right to defend himself against an idiot who is trespassing.

to be honest I find it embarrassing that fans are of a club that spend 500 million celebrate for just staying up. wee club behaviour

Patrick felt threatened, it was only a matter of time, he would have been physically attacked. He was right to attack.

Enter the pitch you become fair game simple

@Olori-Ogun

2 жыл бұрын

@@alllaw3ao7 are you the stupid fan ?

I’m pretty sure there will be legally binding conditions with or even written on the ticket they paid for expressly forbidding going on the field of play, so that eliminates the entitlement for “what they paid for” I wouldn’t ever nor have I run on a professional pitch. It just feels wrong and offensive to all the work that goes into maintaining a pitch, plus I thought it was illegal and an offence. Ban them all, if it were my club I wouldn’t want them ruining it for me or the teams.

@andymccreight3175

2 жыл бұрын

You'd be fun on a night out

@strumbolli

2 жыл бұрын

Gobshite

Viera could have been racially attacked both physically and verbally hence why he reacted the way he did. The PL need to deduct points from Everton for the serious security breach and fans invading the pitch, bang out of order.

@dotdotdot5475

2 жыл бұрын

Are you racist? Why you bringing colour should woulda coulda?

@strykah92

2 жыл бұрын

You were doing well until that 2nd sentence. Leeds fan by any chance?

@dotdotdot5475

2 жыл бұрын

@@strykah92 me?

@jameshughes5722

2 жыл бұрын

The video exists he was called a muppet nothing else and was never touched. He's lost it and reacted for no reason.

@dotdotdot5475

2 жыл бұрын

@@jameshughes5722 so easy for people isnt it. I guarantee you would have done the same in the same scenario but hey-ho

A man is just a man ...you can't taunt a lion and cry for help when attacked..

For play off semi finals the next year the EFL just say if fans of a club go on the pitch on either of the semi final games they get no tickets for Wembley if the get to the final. Everton should be able to police the crowd better with all their resources. Also football should ensure that players tunnels and the team benches are secured with a proper presence of stewards

Talksport had someone that was saying CR7 in the same situation was wrong. What does Patrick get a pass with you all? By the way, Patrick should have knocked that guy out.

Everton should be deducted points.

@robertmorici8605

2 жыл бұрын

god you suck

Nistelrooy to this day, feels unsafe around Martin. hahaha

Natalie is acting like fans are idiots. The fans are humans, clever and rational human beings. That's why we're blaming them because they should know better and do better but fail to do so. Vieira is also human and should be held in the same regard as the fans. If you're looking at it as it is, 3 or 4 people ganging up on 1 guy who is being goaded and harassed until a handful of people come to help him get out you are arresting the attackers and apologising profusely to the victim and thanking his helpers. Stop trying to make it something it is not.

Football is a Man's Sport! Yelling, insults and Sometimes violence are Part of the Game. If U like it or Not! Get on with it. Viera did what He did and I have No Problem with it 🤷‍♂️..

@arsmaster

2 жыл бұрын

Lol it’s very far from a mans game. A bunch of pretty boys with designer clothes and pretty tattoos diving and laying on the floor isn’t “manly”.

@grassrootsfootball225

2 жыл бұрын

@@arsmaster mate i can attest that those "pretty boys" would steam roll you on a pitch, they are fitter, stronger and mentally tougher than even players at the top end of the championship

@mariusschulz2926

2 жыл бұрын

@@arsmaster yes rydog! Some or Most of them are..but even when U Said the right Things Here..there is and there will ever be aggression on the field, on the bench and in the Stadium..

@arsmaster

2 жыл бұрын

@@grassrootsfootball225 sure but would they steam roll rugby players? American football? Hockey players? These guys are all mostly 5’6” and 150lbs. I love football but these aren’t the toughest sportsmen around. Let’s get real.

@arsmaster

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariusschulz2926 I’ve got no problem with what Pat did but I have a problem with the scum bag fans crowding him did. Go celebrate with your team you support. Same as the losers who charged the gate at the euro final. Entitled idiots.

Everton should be relegated

@fletchbtw6244

2 жыл бұрын

Do one mate Everton deserve the right to stay up as they’ve fought for it end of story don’t punish the club for something one fan did

@registame2878

2 жыл бұрын

@@fletchbtw6244 they certainly did that😗😗😗😗😔😔

Football belongs to the fans not the media our grounds belong to the fans.

Well said Simon spot on