The worst thing about thus was the FA consulting the Premier League but not the EFL who have the majority of the teams in the competition.

@hustler666100

Ай бұрын

Prem teams bring the sponsors

@ashleyphillips543

25 күн бұрын

The EFL do not have the majority of the teams in the competition though... Non-league does. That's the worst thing about this segment - it focuses on the EFL but even if they profit from a change in the distribution model this change has fucked over hundreds upon hundreds of clubs at the grassroots of the game.

I'm more bothered about the complete dismantling of a competition that once had magic and now has nothing unique about it, semis at the same ground at the final is a joke aswell. Screw the FA

@mickyeverton

Ай бұрын

I totally agree!! ⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽

@mickfoskett6629

Ай бұрын

They killed the fa cup magic when they put the semis at Wembley...neutral grounds in the semis have had many fantastic games and magic moments which at Wembley doesn't have!🙄👹

A chance of a replay against a big club for the smaller club means a hell of a lot to those fans not to mention the immediate local economic benefits of the smaller clubs and towns, they have no right to do this

@user-zn4hs8ky5q

Ай бұрын

Players need more rest, deal with it

@Jackman1st

Ай бұрын

Well they have every right to do it and they are

@sirloin9668

Ай бұрын

​@@Jackman1stfascinating explanation you've given there

@pnefc2

Ай бұрын

The clubs have every right to do this because the big clubs need to make more money to pay the players

@pnefc2

Ай бұрын

​@dariasstalbottson6067 How?

Disgraceful decision

No problem with European or champion league foodball timetable ..happy to fly to dubai. .it's all about money and greed

Next they'll begin seeding teams, based on league position. 1 vs 64, 2 vs 63 etc. - keep the best teams apart for as long as possible. Money and greed ruins everything !

@joeelvinofficial

Ай бұрын

The smaller teams might prefer that. Guaranteed payday if they get through to that stage.

The payment that Jordan is referencing is £33M. Divide that by 700 you get £42,000 each. It's not going to be an equal split payment so the clubs aren't going to receive £42,000. It's laughable. One replay at a ground in the Championship or Premier League pays a club much more than £42,000. It's not fair, it's not for the betterment of the competition and it's shamelessly disgraceful.

@july99887766

Ай бұрын

True but how many of these 700 clubs will get a replay with a big club to get a revenue getter than this 42k

@OxtonSWA

Ай бұрын

We all know it won’t be split up that way. The Championship clubs will probably get 25-30 million of that . A replay at Arsenal , Man United is worth something like half a million quid to a small club so even 42k isn’t that much is it?

@pnefc2

Ай бұрын

Hardly any clubs get big replays it's emotional tripe

@smokeyj3828

Ай бұрын

@@pnefc2what a load of gash 🤡

@pnefc2

Ай бұрын

@@smokeyj3828 why?

Ridiculous. My non league side earned a replay against a far bigger club in the FA cup this year - earned the team masses of money and TV exposure. It was huge for the club.

@willtallis5275

Ай бұрын

What happened in the Replay tho Surley your players would rather fight and go through in that game rather than a week or so later in a Replay and get battered

@mervyit

Ай бұрын

@@willtallis5275 @willtallis5275 I support Horsham (Isthmian Premier League), we played Barnsley (League 1) after beating Dorking (National League). We were drawn away on a week day, so very few fans could attend and it was not televised, so made very little. By having a replay we pulled them back to our ground, packed it to max capacity and were televised. We had the pundits here and national coverage that has massively increased the profile of the club and brought in lots of revenue... So no. It was much better having a replay and was massive for the town/club and players playing in front of family and friends at home. THAT, is the magic of the cup.

@marc.the.red1987

Ай бұрын

​@mervyit completely agree and I'm a barnsley fan . You earned your right to a replay and whatever happened in replay it was reward for your performance .. from our view we really enjoyed the replay and will remember horsham as a club for a long time. Even though in end it was void and this decision is a disgrace from the fa .

@mervyit

Ай бұрын

@@marc.the.red1987 Was great to have Barnsley fans over to ours. Brilliant group of fans.

@willtallis5275

Ай бұрын

@@marc.the.red1987 but most of the time the team earning the replay get battered in the replay so it’s pointless they go out anyway and make a tiny bit more money where as they could make the next round and get more money but wining in extra time or pens instead of a replay replays are dead

Simon Jordan would argue that black is white just to start an argument

@SLSAMG

Ай бұрын

🤡 unsubstantiated

@liquidgeorge

Ай бұрын

And he’d still win that argument against Keown 😂😂😂

@deedee-tc4fh

Ай бұрын

That's a grey area...

@footballsoccerx2021

Ай бұрын

Don't you actually listen to what he's saying?

@AItakover

Ай бұрын

In order to maintain the elite fixings

What on earth is Simon ON ABOUT? In this season's competition 5 replays in the 4th round (5 out of 16 ties) 8 replays in the 3rd round (8 out of 32 ties) 4 replays in the 2nd round (4 out of 20 ties) 8 replays in the 1st round (8 out of 40 ties) They do happen a lot, they lead to such exciting games (just ask Horsham fans amongst others), they keep the dream alive and it's memories that inspire the next generations... not some extra cash for extra training cones. Money really isn't everything!

@willtallis5275

Ай бұрын

Most of the time they don’t tho a small club who blag a replay at there ground go the reply at at a big club and most of the time always lose and get battered in the replay there dead games most of the time

@Matthew-bu7fg

Ай бұрын

@@willtallis5275 doesn't matter if they get battered... they're getting battered to the tune of hundreds of thousands of pounds

@willtallis5275

Ай бұрын

@@Matthew-bu7fg the players aren’t your telling me you would rather get battered then try and win in extra time or pens

@willtallis5275

Ай бұрын

@@Matthew-bu7fg which the players don’t see they could earn that money by reaching the next round with extra time or penalties instead for a little bit of money they would rather get battered and go out anyway rendering the replay pointless win the game in extra time and pens and make the next round simple

I’m a man united fan but the beauty of the fa cup was smaller clubs getting a draw and and playing big clubs away or at home is their dream take that away the fa cup dies shame on you

@captainhybrid4045

Ай бұрын

As a Magpie since the mid 90s I fully agree.

Great debate! Thanks TalkSport for providing a forum for football debate that allows for wider arguments to express pros and cons..

Always a great chat with these three

they will revert it back to no replays after the 3rd round just to make it look like they've done something/listened when really this was the plan all along, do not fall for this trick!

It's not about how important they are. It's the fact 96% of teams who are involved in the FA Cup weren't consulted.

The FA and premier League greed eill destroy the game

@stone4173

Ай бұрын

The game is already destroyed.

@finalfrontier001

Ай бұрын

FA and EPL are saving football from greedy worthless EFL.

@pnefc2

Ай бұрын

The players will, not the fa or premier league

Might be against the grain but....I support a leauge 2 (soon to be 1) team and I like the idea of no replays. I get the money side from the boardroom, but for the fans it's a bigger chance of an upset. If we dug in for a draw against west ham, we all know we get batterd in 2nd leg. If we get penos we get a much better chance. Just my opinion

@Michael-kt6gi

Ай бұрын

Couldn't agree with you more

Give the lower ranked teams the option to play away from home. I.e example Chesterfield playing at Anfield against Liverpool = More money for split gate for them

@Behold__Optic_Blast

Ай бұрын

I like this idea. It's not like it throws up any disadvantages, not if they choose to play away. Maybe anyone in league 1 or lower should have that option if they get a home draw against a premier League club.

@Chris-oz9qx

Ай бұрын

They used to do that, I remember in the 1990s a couple of lower clubs who were drawn home decided to play away

@willtallis5275

Ай бұрын

But then they lose Surley the players would prefer to go through in the first game rather than going to Liverpool and geting battered just so the club makes some money if they hang on to draw for the replay they might go onto win in extra time or pens but no we make them go to the bigger clubs home so they can battered just for money replays don’t work there dead

They missed a massive point. The Premier League clubs keep moaning about the amount of games and yet they have bigger squads than they have ever had, they have more on the bench for than they have ever had. The options for rotation are there. Modern pros at the top of the game have been playing twice a week for the last 25 years or so. They are incredibly well paid and cope just fine, the quality of the football is excellent and yet we keep hearing that there are too many games! :eyeroll:

@calum9124

Ай бұрын

And more subs allowed than ever before

Does Simon ever have an opinion that doesn't just contradict that of everyone else in the room?

Why’d they cut out the part of Simon saying “I wouldn’t be getting out of bed for 130k a year” and his altercation with a listener’s text message? Those were the best parts of that segment. Whoever’s in charge of their KZread channel is the absolute worst

As an owner of a soon to be relegated national league south club, we want the replays. Huge for our fans - memories that last a lifetime. If Man City can't play their backups and get past Dorking, Boreham Wood, or Colchester then too bad. Your punishment is playing another game.

@footballsoccerx2021

Ай бұрын

VERY VERY WELL SAID!!!!!

But they are important for clubs in lower leagues.. so whoever arguing against that is just outright stupid.

@Alan_Wigz

Ай бұрын

Whatever you say, bro

@CJ4YRD

Ай бұрын

@Alan_Wigz show me evidence to the contrary then.

@Alan_Wigz

Ай бұрын

@@CJ4YRD Nope. You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you mate.

@CJ4YRD

Ай бұрын

@Alan_Wigz because there's clear evidence of it being important for lower league clubs.. down to increased revenue, more chance of beating a bigger team over 2 games than 1.. now again. Show me evidence to the contrary .

@willtallis5275

Ай бұрын

@@CJ4YRDit’s important for the money but what do the players want say reading get a draw with arsenal at reading stadium they then get a. Replay at arsenal but get battered a week later at arsenal where as no replays that game at reading would have gone to extra time or penalties where reading could still win Surley the players prefer going through instead of going to arsenal to lose just for the club to make some money and the lower league clubs use money as an excuse becuase there owners don’t run the clubs properly replays are dead giant killing will happen more often without them as the club that gets the reply could go onto win in the extra time or pens rather than going to a bigger club a week later and losing anyway

‘Your best chance of being a giant killer is in a replay’. No it’s not? You’ve got a much better chance of holding out in extra time for pens rather than having to go another full 90mins + potential extra time.

@tylerh8397

Ай бұрын

Absolutely. I don't know what everyone else is on about. If you somehow scrape a miracle draw with Man City, do you want another full 90 minutes or a dice roll with pens??!

@marc.the.red1987

Ай бұрын

​@tylerh8397 he said giant killer

It’s a poor decision and it’s not just about the money for the non league clubs and lower down EFL clubs it’s about the experiences for the fans and players when especially a non league club is able to hold a of prem side or big championship club to a replay either on their home soil or giving their fans a once in a lifetime trip to a ground like old Trafford or anfield for example. It’s a disgrace and we all know who it favours and I haven’t heard any complaints about the increase In champions league games when apparently the players can’t cope with the schedule but they will happily take away the magic of the fa cup

I support one of the big clubs and I think this is a disgrace this super league idea is killing the game they’re now slowly bowing down to these big teams because they’re scared

Big clubs have no issue globe trotting playing friendlies 🌍💰but playing replays is too much …

Worked for over a 100 years

Not just about money, plenty of Premier League fans enjoy going to lower league grounds to see their team play in the FA Cup, why are we denying lower league fans an opportunity to see their team at Premier League grounds ?

@willtallis5275

Ай бұрын

There not the smaller club could go through the round in 1 game and play a prem club in the next round but instead they hang on for the draw in the first game get a replay at a big club and get battered and go out anyway where as they could have beaten them in extra time or pens

love Simon's and white's reactions to the west ham joke

I know football has always had changes over the years, but I hate the way it is changing.

The negatives of a prem club having to play 1 measly extra game vs the positives for a smaller club don't even compare. Greed wins as usual

Should play every game at Wembley back to back over a fortnight with no subs and the winner goes on to play in a best of 46 game based in the US against the winners of The Northwest Sunday pub league trophy.

I know for a fact that not even all the PL teams knew about this

7:59 as a westham fan I want my team in the EFL CUP thank you very much would love for my team to lift that cup It may not mean alot to owners but it still means a lot to to true fans of clubs not in the top 6

@squarewindow

Ай бұрын

Mate I'm a Liverpool fan and have absolutely loved it whenever we have won the League cup (1995 v Bolton the first I remember watching). Don't assume the "bigger" clubs' fans are all snobs who see the League cup as worthless.

Like in the FA Cup were the top 44 clubs come in on the third round, have the top six or eight clubs of whom are playing in Europe, enter the competition in the latter rounds, maybe?

Love this

If a League 2 club goes to Anfield or Old Trafford and manages to sneak a draw, surely a penalty shootout on the day is just as much of a chance of a giant killing as a replay at their ground where the top teams will throw a few more of the first team into the lineup to kill the game off I get the financial incentive to have a replay, but surely they’ll benefit more from going through by a penalty shootout to play in another round

Clubs moaning about the amount of games they have, should rotate their players better.

It's always about clearing the obstacles that the top six have in winning everything.

Have to agree with Simon, replays do have a special aura around them, but the truly significant ones are rare and would be offset by a more stable increase in the overall pot of money shared throughout the pyramid. If a club needs a replay to keep afloat then that club is being run poorly which is a more fundamental issue which should be addressed separately with things like the fit and proper owners test - but the increased funds which they should be able to leverage because of this change should even help alleviate this issue! It's not like we lose the opportunity for giant killings, if anything it encourages the smaller clubs to give it a proper go if they're away to the big boys, so we might actually get a better quality of football compared to the current bus parking that tends to happen, and there will obviously still be home ties for those teams when the draw dictates. It is a shame that we lose these special, but very infrequent, events; but, this should lead to a more healthy overall picture for the entire footballing pyramid. More money for smaller clubs, less fatigue for the Premier League clubs, it's a win- win, providing those additional funds do end up materialising in a significant enough way.

Best way is to only do replay if two teams from different tier play draw. For example, If a premier league team and championship team play and it ends draw, there should be a replay to benefit the championship team. Two premier league teams play and drew, no replay. Same with two championship team e.t.c

Desperate times when known makes sense

Why is everyone that is opposed to the removal trying to make out that every small club takes a big team to a replay and that there gonna be losing lots of money… The reality is not many teams actually manage to do this and also, this actually gives smaller teams a better chance at getting to the next round If they’ve went 90 mins and drawn with a PL club, they have another 30 mins to do the same and then have the potential to beat them on pens or beat them in extra time, if that happens, they proceed to the next round and receive money from that… It’s extremely rare for a club to get a replay from a big team and it’s more or less impossible for a lower league team to get any result in a second leg away…

is there anything simon jordan won’t argue about🤦🏻‍♂️

No extra time in Europe. No Monday/Tuesday Wednesday/Thursday games in Europe. Play Wednesday play league games Saturday 3pm. They create their own problem. Money grabbing end of.

The FA should publish the number of games played by the 92 league sides and demonstrate how overloaded the Premier League teams are with fixtures. They won't because the numbers doesn't support the argument.

@SirPablo2Pablo

Ай бұрын

I support Tottenham.. we have played 35 games Man City have played 51 (charity shield, CL, FA Cup and League Cup)

@SirPablo2Pablo

Ай бұрын

If you take it throughout the PL i agree with you its only clubs that progress in all comps that have the issue

Simon looking very dapper lol

@TribalScan.

Ай бұрын

Clean him up when you're done

@thelegendthatischels

Ай бұрын

POOFTER

@vaultmarketplaceltd1901

Ай бұрын

come up for air mate

@treblebbb3388

Ай бұрын

Are you related to that "Clobber" spam merchant?

if replays are rare then the argument that replays cause premier league teams to play too many games doesn't work, and replays should stay. if replays are not rare then the giantslaying possibility argument works, and replays should also stay.

Ans: All rounds up to QF go to lowest division of two clubs drawn versus one another. If same division, first drawn hosts....

Maybe give the lower sides the home advantage will that not fix the problem cash wise?

5:30 Loses the argument to the caller so then says "the genies out of the bottle". Yeah maybe Simon but that wasnt your argument....

the problem is the TV companies don't even pick the lower league teams for TV... they'll pick, say, Manchester United vs Crystal Palace as their Round 3 selection.

Most replays at the larger clubs ground is about the event for the fans and the money. Most upsets happen in the first match at the smaller clubs ground. Well that’s the way I think it works.

I feel like a much better deal with the Football League would be much more benefial for the whole than a pot luck draw for a single club against a big side. Also, unsure on the statistical record but surely a giant killing is much more likely in a one off than what would essentially become a two legged tie?

Let the big 6 FO to their Euro league.

It’s obvious that the FA don’t care about any team outside of the premiership. This is another nail in English football.

Big teams play their kids or reserves half the time so what's the issue. Bring back away goals in Europe and golden goal in extra time.

Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts

Stop tinkering with the world’s most traditional domestic competition over money. Money already destroyed the game, then added VAR making it even worse. Getting rid of the League Cup as well. Getting ridiculous

Look at what sheppy united done this season In The fa cup

Too many games? Invite Premier league clubs to voluntarily resign from both domestic cup competitions permanently. Of course they’ll still find time for a month tour to Asia or the USA in pre season. Prem clubs convinced the rest of the EFL exists merely to serve them. Sooner they buggar off to the super league the better.

I do agree with Jordan. The replay will change the fortunes of 1 club a year, and that’s only if they get the right replay against the right club at the right place. Most won’t. This is not a bad idea as most teams won’t miss out but it would be much better if clubs are given a share of the cup revenue that’s increased more than it is now. Lower league clubs need a better share. This is a lifeline.

How does any equal distribution of money in a league help? They are in the same markets for players so all it will do is put up wages, transfer fees, agents fees and a few quid in the owners pockets. It should only happen if the money is spent on infrastructure and the local community.

Just stop playing friendly internationals no other sport stops mid season.

The FA cup is the oldest competition in the world the dream of many tiny clubs, thanks for spoiling it like they have spoilt Euro competitions.

Replays benefit the larger/better clubs more as they get 90 more minutes instead of dealing with the randomness of penalties.

I understand the sentiment with FA Cup replays and the revenues it brings but let’s be honest between a PL Club and a small club a replay is very slim at best. From the moment UEFA changed their tournament formats, this was an inevitability. One possible solution is that clubs who qualify for Europe don’t participate in the Carabao Cup. This will ease concerns about player fatigue overall and stop the whining about fixture congestion I have been hearing over the last few years. Change always happens, they just need to adapt.

@saxonjedi5878

Ай бұрын

actually like the sound this

@jon-gz4ed

Ай бұрын

these clubs have a lot of 1st team players to swap around so no excuse ,the 70s/80 no complaints from players then ,now its just players now want more money for lesswork

European cup is played between champions not 4/5 place its simple.

what if the first round is at the smaller club then the replay is irrelevant. cant they just play at the bigger stadium and 50/50 gate split. Giant killings great but im sure the guaranteed money would be more beneficial in the long term to a lower league club than the chance of progressing one more round

FA cup draws where there is a lower league team playing a big team should be given the choice where they play. If they choose the big club’s ground they should be given the gate receipts.

English Premier League is money making machine, so is most important & it's the priority. It's all bout the money in the end of days

Yes it does not favor the lower teams financially but there is no question that you will see the lower teams advance further. Its easier to beat these big clubs on a one off game then over the course of 2 games.

The problem is, people virtual signal like made, in reality, people don't care about the lower tier or they would pay for it Also players should take pay cuts so then clubs in the EFL can improve their stadiums and training facilities etc

Would the chance of a giant killing be greater if they continued an extra 30 minutes straight after drawing against said giant when they have momentum and have the chance on penalties to then get to the next round of the cup rather than restarting the game from minute 0 on another day? Most matches that go to extra time go to penalties anyway

12:26 If it's ''only two out of six hundred games in the last season'' as Jordan says why is anyone bothered

@irieite9666

Ай бұрын

"Lincoln Town" the spoofer doesn't even know the name of the clubs. Typical big time Charlie former Crystal Rovers owner.

Poor Jamie got cut off halfway through his point by Jim!

Martin keown thank you for mention the Port Vale team that were so close to beating the mighty Arsenal team. Replays are wonderful part of the fa cup. Premier league clubs have got huge squads full of international players plus a great youth set up just change the team if you want to rest them for European games

Taking away replays is to suit the elite clubs' lets not pretend otherwise

Prem should feed cash into ground, facility and community initiatives in EFL clubs. The other travesty is putting the cup final on before the end of the season. As for lack of replays- not the end of the world.

Who wants less games? Rotate your squad, you shouldn't be trying to play your first 11 for 90mins 5 subs doesn't seem to be going away, cup replays gone, they want rid of the league cup Don't hear pep complaining about more games in the champions league, or playing in the world cup cup

Why not put lower leAGUE FACUP games 100% on TV or. Spread them out

Regulator would be the worst thing for prem clubs 😂

13:20 simons arrogance is unbearable

Martin says about the team having a better chance in the replay but that’s not right teams normally get battered in the reply there best chance of a giant killing is in that 1 game where they could go onto wining in extra time or penalties and there’s barely any replays anyway there boring and adds games to the calendar that every club goes round saying they have to much of

Want to abolish replays? Fine. But the 20 teams that qualify for the third round, from outside the top two divisions, are put in a separate pot, and automatically given a home tie for the third round. Call it compensation.

thats why they never asked the EFL in the talks because they know what they would have voted for the replays and got voted out ,andi think theplayers should have something to say on this then we would no what they are thinking , i can see all our cup copms soon will all be scrapped by the fa to suit the top clubs

I'm starting to call out of love with football.

The idea that replays give smaller teams a better chance of a giant killing is statistically false. They have a better chance over 90 minutes and penalties. If the issue is that small clubs can welcome a big PL club to their ground, then just make it so that clubs from lower leagues play at home.

Jim White calling efl owners cohorts??? Not very nice..🥴

There aren't any real giant-killings anyway as the big teams don't care and play their B team in the domestic cups.

Scrap the League Cup & keep the replays for the FA Cup - & increase the money for the small clubs.

@tylerh8397

Ай бұрын

Scrap an entire competition for them? They need those games too lol. Better to just remove european squads from the league's cup.

It is called the F.A. Cup because it is worth F. A . since the competition has been debased...

theres pro's and con's to this lower league teams would love the extra money earned from a replay however, if you have a replay away at a team in a much higher league, your likely to get stuffed. imagine portsmouth going to anfield for a replay. whereas portsmouth could draw 1-1 at home and win on penalties.. just depends what teams prefer, extra cash and being dumped out getting smoked in a replay or less cash, but having the chance to knock a much higher team out on penalties. btw, scrapping replays isnt the way forward if your talking about de-congesting the schedule. thats down to fifa to stop these pointless international friendlies you have in september october and november.

FFP...caused this....change my mind...please

They shouldnt have to make noise

Jordan has a son called Reuben…enuff said

A replay can finance a club for a few years

Football league owners seem to suggest that a home FA Cup tie gives smaller clubs the chance of a lucrative replay tie at the bigger club's larger stadium, and a share of the higher gate receipts... Make all the FA Cup games at the home of bigger clubs... This way the fans get that away day experience at a Premier League stadium and the smaller clubs get higher gate receipts than a home tie could achieve...

It's the Super League by stealth!