I love the fact Martin called Simon out on constantly interrupting people on the show. Somebody needed to tell him that

@J80MBO

5 ай бұрын

If Martin could answer a question and formulate coherent argument he wouldn't need to interrupt

@kungfooslap2983

5 ай бұрын

??and then keown interrupted continuously…lol.

@FelixGallardo1946

5 ай бұрын

Interrupts Simon to continue making senseless waffle

@gonnaw1n

5 ай бұрын

I think you need to listen to how many times Martin is cutting Simon off actually!!

@dutchgrass

5 ай бұрын

He cut Simon off all the time making no sense.

Jordan triggers Keown every week without fail 😂

@SwanClan

5 ай бұрын

He should just go for what gets Jordan going like being Levy’s spokesperson

@MUFCSHERMS

5 ай бұрын

It's brilliant innit

@Your_Lou_Sassole

5 ай бұрын

​@SwanClan Simon been sleeping with your husband again or something?! 🤔🤣🙈

@willtallis5275

5 ай бұрын

Got to love it

@davidgreenwood5241

5 ай бұрын

Doesn’t take much triggering

As long as a manager, coach, or player doesn't call the officials corrupt, they shouldn't face punnishment. Calling them out as incompetent shouldn't be punnishable.

The refs and VAR have been appalling this season, its not surprising that managers get annoyed

@oscardolloway1885

5 ай бұрын

the problem is these managers are quiet when it suites them and cry like babies when something goes against them

@Isleofskye

5 ай бұрын

VAR has been appalling from Day One.

@arklife99

5 ай бұрын

​@@oscardolloway1885not all maybe the big clubs the little clubs dont get much notice

You can take the man out of Sky but you can't take Sky out of the man, Jim White

Imagine having such power that no one can criticise the refs wow

@Antonio-hb8rd

5 ай бұрын

People can and do, the decision was correct and I don't know why you're crying.

@Hhammer

5 ай бұрын

@@Antonio-hb8rd I have no issue with the decision. Just with the fact you can’t criticise refs as Simon said

@myearsgotyouthsystem8802

5 ай бұрын

The PGMOL got mediocre referees

@MarkQuinn2k7

5 ай бұрын

@@Antonio-hb8rd First of all, where did you get that he was "crying?" That's absurd. Second of all, yes people can and do criticize the refs, but more and more often the league is seeking to punish both coaches and clubs who do it, effectively taking away their ability to air their grievances. That's far too much power.

@ashaekuteku9591

5 ай бұрын

That seems what Simon wants.

What I don't understand is how is everyone expected to accept that mistakes do happen in terms of refereeing, when there's a whole team of people on the pitch, and then there's another team off the pitch whose only job is to watch all the footage. But some of the mistakes have still been shocking.

@arklife99

5 ай бұрын

No 1's beating newcastle this year if they continue to be allowed to score from out of bounds areas twice now wonder how many times it will be when its summer only thing annoying me is everyone fixated on the arsenal goal against them people only moan if its a biggish club

@michaels09

5 ай бұрын

Wasn’t a mistake

@nadimnaouach5839

22 күн бұрын

They are busy counting their bribery money

I think what Martin was truly saying is that the people running this reffing system are not capable of running it in an unbiased way. Simon is trying to over justify his claim of allowing mistakes to happen. Jim just follows simons opinion in every episode like a dog ready for his walk. Getting tired of these people in “powerful” positions saying what they want rather than what the actual truth is 🤌🏾

@mickcampbell1797

5 ай бұрын

It's all staged. Without anything suggestive from a forensic investigation, as they have done, the foul on Gabriel alone would have had the goal disallowed. The show is staged for likes and interactions. All about ratings!

@Goongoblin12

5 ай бұрын

@@IronOrchid-HQ yes but I’m not talking about them I’m talking about the human beings that run these leagues and governments. They know info which is powerful so choosing to leave out factual details is a sin and has no place in any type of business.

@user-ik3ej4sg2m

Ай бұрын

Correct. Looks very bad- 3 brits at each others throat

I'm a Chelsea fan and its a disgrace that the managers are not allowed to criticise the refs. Nothing has changed and the mistakes are still being made week in week out but managers are not allowed to complain. It's insane that this is allowed to continue happening week in week out. Howard Webb was corrupt and he's now in charge of the refs, that tells you all you need to know.

@kwameaboagye-cl9me

5 ай бұрын

These referees and officials should have the book thrown at them for their incompetence.

@kurdaali

5 ай бұрын

They only make mistakes against the teams other than mancity. when they disallowed the perfect goal by Diaz the refs were in QATAR a few days before the game. PGMOL is a corrupt organisation period.

@vincentvries9854

5 ай бұрын

All of the players and coaches look for ways to exploit the rules and fool the refs, and then cry about decisions going against them, why??? That's just stupid.

@og87

5 ай бұрын

Didn’t say that. But the clubs should be setting an example and that should have been done privately

@Wulfryk

5 ай бұрын

there becomes a point where they absolutely shouldnt because they undermine the premise on which the competition is set and agreed upon. which includes the possibility for mistakes made, but accept them none theless as thats the refereeing what everyone has agreed on to play under and deal with.

Simon Jordan isn't interested in making football rules and refereeing better. He just wants to argue about punishing people for their behaviour.

@MrLaughatthis

5 ай бұрын

good...the way it should be

@liamk15

5 ай бұрын

The punishment was the original question. Keown just changed it

@stevenicol1

5 ай бұрын

people will always moan about referees no matter what happens, it's part of football and the huge media circus that covers it.

@ngqabuthodube2068

5 ай бұрын

Like a true boss

@Your_Lou_Sassole

5 ай бұрын

If he hurts your feelings...go watch Kabaddi instead 🤷‍♂️😂🤣

Martin reminds me of my ex who’d always run out the door whenever I countered her dumb reasoning😅

Imagine if all managers and clubs "let it go". The incompetence will be even worse! This is just a prelude to make rigging acceptable and convert football to something like a WWE

@anthonyhurn1988

5 ай бұрын

Don't use wwe's name. Vince Mcmahon did everything possible in his business to better it and did it for 25+ years. The second the world turned out like this and he couldn't win anymore he flogged it 😂😂

@AZ10644

5 ай бұрын

Brilliant point my G!

The problem with Simon is that he will passionately argue both sides of the argument depending on whose side he is on.

@DJ-yu9gk

5 ай бұрын

He is always on side of epl and officiating. He is paid by them and defends every stupidity.

@jtmmmm27

5 ай бұрын

Martin is the most predictably biased pundit out there, on nearly all segments I can guess what his points will be and how he will argue them.

@StreetRoyaltyRecord

5 ай бұрын

He deffo needs mo ticker glasses...

@eddyd63

5 ай бұрын

The problem with Martin is he will passionately argue one side or the argument and it will always be entirely biased towards Arsenal.

@colindixon9916

5 ай бұрын

Duh,thats what makes him the 🐐

What's the point of having ex players in the VAR room when some thought it was a foul and some thought it wasn't

@ThatGuy-tx4vm

5 ай бұрын

those who thought the refs were correct are on tv. Paid off. Isn't it funny how you can predict what someone like simon will say? That means he is dishonest. Neville is also dishonest.

@0casey963

5 ай бұрын

And some are thick as a castle wall.

@glennsaliba3480

5 ай бұрын

Simple as that. Best comment !!

@jerryouro6428

5 ай бұрын

This same refereeing confraternity screwed arsenal of their 1st title in 20 yrs by forgetting to draw the line for offside against Ivan Toney last szn. What happened to red card to Kovacic against City

@jbo4547

5 ай бұрын

Dumb question, there are 5 of them and the majority ruling rules. 4-1 this was

Jim and Simon love the sound of their own voices and believe in monologues not dialogues

"You in denial Martin because it's Arsenal* 😂😂😂

The Liverpool incident was worse, var agreed it was a goal but never awarded the goal.. the incompetence of the officials is the problem not the technology itself🤦

@brianfuller4258

5 ай бұрын

The tech could be expanded like other sports, but yes these refs are absolute rubbish.

@hustler666100

5 ай бұрын

and the stingy league not wanting to pay to implement the semi automated offside system that was at the World Cup

@LeoDragon34

5 ай бұрын

I don’t think it’s incompetence, it’s corruption.

@LeoDragon34

5 ай бұрын

It’s not incompetence, it’s corruption.

@dddgtsd

5 ай бұрын

The Liverpool decision was sooooo much worse, they literally admitted it was a miscommunication

Martin: "Listen Simon, give me a chance to formulate my argument." Simon: "But your argument is incoherent." 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Keown isn’t bright enough to debate; that is 90% of the issue here. Plus it wasn’t a foul and the ball didn’t go out.

The question is who should the referees be accountable to? Because, when they make these calculated mistakes, they should not only apologize, but should be charged with a points deductible system that would eventually have them suspended and eventually banned. Teams lose crucial points from these errors that affect the results of the league, therefore a match replay would be the most appropriate solution. This premier league is the most corrupt to the bone,with referees ,var match officials and pundits all involved. There is a lot big bucks going around.

This discussion once again devolves into Simon and Jim shouting over the other person, in this case Martin because they think if they shout loudest and gang up together that makes them right. I saw this happen with Danny Murphy aswell. There's no point having these discussions if you're not even going to allow one side to make their point.

@spurs541

5 ай бұрын

🤡

@vincentvries9854

5 ай бұрын

That's what Simon does. He does not care about what the other person is saying, he does not care if they are right, all he does is try to make them look wrong.

@theneowindjoker4915

5 ай бұрын

Also known as "bullying"

@exposedheat9778

5 ай бұрын

Martin was talking nonsense as always, I would talk over him

@ItsAv3rageGamer

5 ай бұрын

@@exposedheat9778 Why have a debate at all then, just don't bother.

Martin has a lot of valid points here. Simon clearly dislikes Arteta's behavior and constantly kept interrupting and finding different ways to try and get Keown to admit that Arteta was wrong. He did not actually talk about the decisions that were made or about improving anything - technology or the process - as Keown was clearly trying to do. EDIT: I'm a Chelsea fan and don't have a particular affinity for Keown or Arteta. But let's call a spade, a spade. Simon is not really contributing materially to anything here; he's arguing for argument's sake. And Jim is literally trolling.

@DanielS10291

5 ай бұрын

It seems you missed the point like keown did. Decisions are subjective and it will never be perfect because there are no ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ decisions. Its like disagreeing with how a critic has reviewed a movie. ‘You didnt like the godfather?? Well youre WRONG and need banning from being a critic!’ Let the referees referee and give them respect. At the end of the day (or season to be exact) the best team almost always wins the league, stop moaning FGS!

@robdatta8767

5 ай бұрын

@@DanielS10291 appears that you're just going on about subjectivity like simon is, and completely missing the big picture... subjectivity can be reduced or confined by actually improving the process and/or technology.. there are things that can be eliminated from subjective interpretation by completely objective implementation.. that is how things improve and are made better.. for example, there was a time when there was no instant replay.. then those were added to broadcasts... then there was goal line technology.. now there is var.. each of these milestones eliminated aspects of subjectivity.. the question is what's next when it comes to continuous improvement.. that's a material discussion that simon refuses to engage in here because he can't see the forest through the trees...

@vcsl14

5 ай бұрын

Incorrect. Keown was literally just rambling. He's embarrassing us as a club tbh.

@DanielS10291

5 ай бұрын

@@robdatta8767 didnt he say the clubs downvoted that?

@guyjackson1261

5 ай бұрын

No, Keown just kept going on unelated rants rather than answering the questions asked repeatedly, the guy is a total melt.

It's difficult to follow the threads of this discussion...these two ask their guests a question which they would like him/her to answer. But as soon as they start responding they interrupt and talk over them... with what they consider the answer should be. It's pointless viewing!

Imagine a sport where you cannot criticise bad decisions that are objectively wrong.

@alfredetepe3419

5 ай бұрын

This is the world we r living now bunch of hypocrisy ppl

@captainohcaptain9588

5 ай бұрын

Wasn't bad decision though

@minkstar9021

Ай бұрын

Subjectively wrong actually, baby boy

What's clearly evident is that these former players still harbor bias based on rivalries from when they played no matter how objective they try to portray themselves to be. This alone is the reason why it would never work. What's needed is that there needs to be a point system for refereeing performances. This can possibly unearth good officials from the other divisions as well rather than have the same so called incompetent PL referees year after year

@croffordlemba8018

5 ай бұрын

This already exists bro, and PGMOL sends refs emails a week before they officiate their next game showing them their points tally for decisions. Check out tifo football they explained. What's needed is diversity in refs across the whole footballing profession, now hear me out on this one. The leagues across Europe use refs from their respective countries. If we could have refs from other nations who are the best come over it would help a lot kinda like we do with footballers. Imagine if the leagues only featured players from their own countries. Being a ref is a tough job and requires a skill set many humans don't have. Notice that we have fewer errors in cross contentinatal competitions than in domestic leagues. There's a reason for that.

@theunitedway69

5 ай бұрын

@@croffordlemba8018u said it all

@mesicek7

5 ай бұрын

It's always been like that. Just remember all the ex-Liverpool player pundits in the 90s and 00s. The stuff that came out of their mouths was like going to a circus and watching clowns.

@Coxy_Wrecked

5 ай бұрын

Players are only human and will have their biases, just as fans do, fans more so in fact.

@AB-wr8vl

5 ай бұрын

Harbour

Im with Martin, hes just struggling to articulate himself properly. Jim and Simon as usual ganging up on him. Im a united fan, it was clearly a foul, 2 hands on a players back pushing him to the ground will be a foul no question if it was anywhere else on the pitch!

@Fmfcg

5 ай бұрын

Simon tends to get on top of whoever talks slower than him

@travislea7780

5 ай бұрын

It’s subjective. You don’t know how much force was used, only the players really know

@scarboroughhammer9684

5 ай бұрын

​@@travislea7780to the eye test it was a foul though

@DanielS10291

5 ай бұрын

@@Fmfcg or thinks slower tbf 😂

@ThatGuy-tx4vm

5 ай бұрын

​@@travislea7780i know that last season arsenal were given a wrong offside call and this season liverpool were done the same way... They already are confirmed to be corrupt. It is subjective to you that is watching the game... not to them that control it. They do as they please and therefore must be punished.

along with Merse's rant recently this shows that former footballers should have no say in refereeing the game

Good on you Martin. If tennis and cricket have line monitoring technology, the prem should too. It’s ludicrous to think we should just accept mediocrity and system failures in what’s meant to be the worlds ‘premiere’ league. Wake up Simon

@scotthendry6298

4 ай бұрын

Yeah var has been great for football😂😂😂😂😂

@futurememories1660

3 ай бұрын

Remember before we had VAR that people thought it would get rid of all refereeing mistakes? Simon is right, there will never be a technological "silver bullet" but we can fix people's attitudes and disrespect.

@laoch5658

3 ай бұрын

get rid of var

Martin just ties himself up in knots constantly 😂

@frostymusic9330

5 ай бұрын

You make no sense

@kissg6734

5 ай бұрын

Get off your knees for your daddy Simon buddy 😂

@davidknight2104

5 ай бұрын

Couldn't of put it better myself

@jordlet4107

5 ай бұрын

@@frostymusic9330 Learn English then

@jordlet4107

5 ай бұрын

@@kissg6734 Can’t stand Simon, Martin is just a bit of a wolly. Hence why you’re so fond of him.

Simon’s the Piers Morgan of talk sport.

@samprizeman4509

5 ай бұрын

That’s an insult, right?

@MisterPete3

5 ай бұрын

That was literally my first thought before I saw your comment

@patrickmorgan869

5 ай бұрын

Simon and Jim have the worst opinions 😂 they just team up against anyone with an opposing view They're cowards really lmao

@MrBannystar

5 ай бұрын

Simon Jordan, mostly, has integrity to his views as opposed to Morgan who steams off any opinion depending which way the wind is blowing. Jordan at least has the courage to go against the tide.

@andrewfathy4212

5 ай бұрын

​@MrBannystar completely agree.

Keown is as thick as mince. What a man-child! And, as a side-note, can you imagine his career if VAR existed when HE played. He'd have never been on the pitch! The man is hilarious.🤣🤣

I have never heard a fan base go on for so long about a single decision

It is cringe how Jim just piggybacks on everything Simon says since he clearly isn't intelligent enough to create his own arguments

@eoinf2773

5 ай бұрын

Jim looks up to Simon and act's like a Bez in the background.

@howlbeast

5 ай бұрын

@@eoinf2773 I can visualise it now

@jordizee

5 ай бұрын

​​@@BigTechGamingonce in the morning and twice at night..like every good sub should.

@piknick4315

5 ай бұрын

It's just guys/friends/colleagues that agree with one another and share the same beliefs.. Jim facilitates the conversation - it's not his problem that he agrees with Simon on most things. Jim also disagrees a lot with Simon. The bottom line is Martin is a daft emotional mess.

@LaurenceWAFC

5 ай бұрын

Jim’s the most irritating man in sports

I don’t understand why Simon and Jim insist on crucifying Arsenal for this. They said nothing disrespectful. They released a statement to support their manager after they felt they were cheated. Now Simon wants to act as if nobody is allowed to question or speak against the PGMOL who has hit record lows in awful decision making this season. On top of that, other clubs are benefiting from their terrible decisions.

@ManUnited6380

5 ай бұрын

you just answered your own stupid question - the club also needs to be penalized because they released a statement of support for a ridiculous lash out against referees claiming arsenal was cheated (implying the match is fixed and the league is somehow corrupted by the officials). high profile managers like arteta and klopp publicly bashing VAR "ONLY" when it goes against them week in and week out is the reason why the VAR can't be consistent because it encourages everyone in the industry to keep demanding something one week, and something different the week after. the reason why they shouldn't overstep their authority and bash the officials is not simply because officials deserve respect, it's because doing so rids the sport of integrity and trust. Once people lose trust in the rules and the system of the sport then you no longer have a properly functioning professional league.

@spinachpies

5 ай бұрын

They didn't make terrible decisions. They were correct

@leeorr9071

5 ай бұрын

Arsenal got robbed big time that ball was out

@andresmarquez89

5 ай бұрын

Spot on brother… they clearly just hate Arsenal It’s also quite funny how they just gang up and talk over their guests, Martin knew exactly what they were trying to do. Spin the narrative. The worst thing about the goal is the part nobody talks about: clear handball. Players, the on field ref and VAR all acknowledge a clear handball but they cant do anything because he’s not the goalscorer? THATS where the rules need changing and need to be put into question. Gotta get with the times and actually challenge some decisions or else the would never be any change.. and the game clearly needs change from wherever it is now. Last thing that was hilarious is them begging to stop talking about this topic like they aren’t getting the most interactions from it. This is what people come to listen to on this show because I guarantee NOBODY wants to hear any tactics from Simon or Jim.

@MrBannystar

5 ай бұрын

Uhh no, that's not what Simon thinks. He thinks Arteta's rant went too far as did the club by endorsing it.

Keown basically saying he doesn't like var if it goes against arsenal?

What's the point having Keown on when he weren't have anything said against arsenal, the guy is so biased it's unreal. Him and Iain Wright both as bad as eachother. They should get rid of them!

This is 3 times in the same week that this subject has been brought up and Jim White always says he hasn’t got agenda against Arsenal

@mickcampbell1797

5 ай бұрын

I really do believe now that he doesn't! It's just topical and the show is definitely scripted. In the real world, not one person I've talked to doesn't think it was a definite foul on Gabriel. I've had two Newcastle fans on X telling me that they would have been annoyed had it been the other way around, but both of them refused to answer yes or no as to whether it was a foul by Joelinton.

@dom6140

5 ай бұрын

​@@mickcampbell1797well either you're a Talksport troll or just clueless

@mickcampbell1797

5 ай бұрын

@@dom6140. And the logic for your accusation is???

Am tired of hearing an independent panel said the decision was correct as if the match would have been replayed if they said the goal shouldn’t have stood. What did they do when they said Liverpool’s goal against Spurs should have stood?

@myearsgotyouthsystem8802

5 ай бұрын

True

The problem is that the rules around VAR end up making each decision extremely subjective, which leads to inconsistencies and confusion among players, managers, and fans. At this point I cannot understand what constitutes a push, a penalty, a direct red card, or practically anything else. That is not because of the referee's at VAR, but I suspect the arbitrary rules of VAR.

@blinkin78

4 ай бұрын

This weekend is the perfect example. Palace got a penalty and arsenal didn’t for the same challenge. If you slow every bit of contact down it looks like a foul.

I love how Jim and Simon take such a microscopic view of the macro issue. You can pick holes in each wrong decision as to why it’s right - but as Martin said they’re conversations we wouldn’t be having without systematic failure.

@Jesussoldmeweed

5 ай бұрын

Martin had to be the most biased and deluded pundit on air or tv. He wouldn’t have put those glasses on if it was any other club other than Arsenal. Love that Simon plays on his own intelligence to out whit this idiot every Friday

@MinisterManDan

4 ай бұрын

Nah, I agree with Simon. I don't want to hear any of this "macro issue" stuff when the teams voted down changes on the macro level. It all just smacks of people only getting selectively outraged when it affects them. "THE TEAMS SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY SAY IN IT" is one of the most preposterous things I've ever heard a grown adult say.

@SightedRain40

4 ай бұрын

@@MinisterManDan mate you’re taking the same viewpoint as Simon - but I’m not sure how you benefit in any way. At least he gets to collect a bag for this opinion. If we all have a short term memory how are we going to be able to push for change when the time comes around? 😂

I’ve never heard Keown make a rational sentence in this program when it comes to his team Arsenal!

@iykeharrison9161

5 ай бұрын

His comment about the foul on Gabriel was rational and spot on. I think most of you Arsenal hater cannot see beyond your hate of Arsenal. When it affects your club you will be the first to cry and seek support from other clubs.

@MovementMagazineLtd

5 ай бұрын

2 hands in the back...you melt. You just hate Arsenal...don't feign intelligence

@DanielS10291

5 ай бұрын

This is what club loyalties do to people, turn them into biased blithering idiots 😂

@MovementMagazineLtd

5 ай бұрын

@@DanielS10291 2 hands on the back....what is bias about that Danny boy?

@jbo4547

5 ай бұрын

​@@MovementMagazineLtd2 hands on the back does not automatically mean a foul, bud. I thought it was a dive and he was going doing anyways

Every week the media and commentators say the refs are poor in the prem but now Arteta and Arsenal have overstepped the line lol This is getting boring now.

@itfgroup-nc9bg

5 ай бұрын

Because they corrupt and they don't wanna hire people who have a knowledge of the technology

@willtallis5275

5 ай бұрын

Arteta and arsenal deserve it as he hasn’t once said anything about the bad calls that goes his way if he’s going to have a massive rant do it for very bad call no just the ones that goes against you deserves everything they get he’s only pissed off because they blow it last year and no they won’t get close this season he should be calling out every single bad call but he doesn’t he also said about var that mistakes happen and they are human and that we should move on maybe he should take his own advice

@chrishaswell4405

5 ай бұрын

​@@willtallis5275exactly.. he can't say "it's humans and there will be errors" and this wasn't even a terrible error it was a 50/50 decision and it went against Arteta and he acted like a child who didn't get the sweets he wanted .. pathetic

@shane6054

5 ай бұрын

​@@chrishaswell4405not 50/50, bruno shouldve been sent off and it was a foul on gabriel, saka had a goal disallowed for something similar.

@elidelisser7

5 ай бұрын

@@chrishaswell4405 that Twitter snippet is not the full statement. He actually said he was behind Klopp. Either way these types of calls will keep happening to all teams because pundits and opposition fans say that it's deserved etc

Since I started watchinh this show. Martin Keown has been the only person who challenges Simon without fear so intelligently.

@LeeW534

3 ай бұрын

How dare you put his name in the same sentence as intelligence 😂

@seanbonella

3 ай бұрын

you martins friend???? he hasnt got many

@sammyharvard835

3 ай бұрын

intelligently??????????????please..

Someone interrupted Martin’s morning yoga……. As an arsenal fan: should Arteta be charged for comments? Yeah probably. Was it a goal for Newcastle? Doesn’t matter. The games done. It could have been disallowed three times or it could have been given. Thems are the fine margins in football. Do when need technology to help someone come to a subjective opinion? No. VAR is deskilling the officials to the point at times it’s almost the infield officials and the VAR in direct opposition. VAR at this point should be limited to goal line technology and off the ball incidents. When it’s delivering at a one hundred percents effective capacity then expand its scope as opposed to throwing a technology shaped rock into the pond and having no idea what directions the waves are going to go. Even if VAR had a defining say: for example the game carries on and VAR spots a foul issues virtually a red or yellow card on behalf of on field official and at the next break in play it’s awarded on field. There are many example of how VAR could be used better instantly but it almost seems that the powers that be have taken the most awkward, difficult ridiculous path each and every time. Take time wasting and the 100 minute games. That can be ended almost completely almost immediately by simply allowing physios to come on (as in rugby) when a player goes down. When there’s no advantage to lying down on the grass and rolling down one’s sock for no reason and in fact becomes a serious disadvantage the players will stop. BUT instead of stopping time wasting we will just allow the time wasting to carry on and add more time on which the winning side tjme wastes anyway!!!!

Keown: referees don’t know what they’re doing… put in an ex player there, they would’ve seen that’s a foul, Simon: yeah but Neville said it’s not a foul so if he was in there he would’ve said it’s not a foul, Keown: what about all the ex referees that say it was a foul 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@user-qr9rd3ur1n

5 ай бұрын

Spot on! Simon tied him up in knots.

@razwanakhan25

5 ай бұрын

And what club did Gary Neville used to play for and who does he support only one of Arsenal’s biggest rival

@JoeHetherington

5 ай бұрын

Exactly 😂 keown is an absolute 🤡

@mosespelican3507

5 ай бұрын

@@razwanakhan25 your point only proves Simon's point that ex pros can't be relied on as they have even more bias than Refs

@Charlieb82

5 ай бұрын

​@@razwanakhan25Newcastle were one of Man U's biggest rivals when Neville played too

Love Simon and Martin together

@abdullahomaryassen747

5 ай бұрын

totally agree

After 55 years, I am utterly sick with professional football now. VAR and the stupid rules and the baby players have destroyed "the beautiful game".

It seems everyone in football should be held to account except football referees and var officials. Bizarre

@laoch5658

3 ай бұрын

because the game is fixed

This is hilarious! And seeing Simon smiling away because he knows that Martin is getting himself tied up in knots the more he talks

@paulrichards6894

5 ай бұрын

think if martin walks out i dont think talksport would care...simon jordan is the reason people watch the show

@kadiummusic

5 ай бұрын

Not funny, embarrassing and is making Jordan look like the school bully. Management need to have a word, uncomfortable listening.

@crow1989

5 ай бұрын

​@@kadiummusicmanagement need to have a word? Grow up Karen, do you really think Martin Keown is going to be crying in a corner upset after this or something? He literally makes himself look silly every single week. He isn't going to cry because Simon's made him look sillier though. 🤦

@ren6050

5 ай бұрын

@@kadiummusicthats subjective. I'm enjoying it

@snotwurfit

5 ай бұрын

@@kadiummusic it's not bullying. Jordan argues through logic and challenges things that don't make sense or become contradictory. If you're going to make a point then you should back it up with logic and reason. Martin couldn't, knew he wasn't making an awful lot of sense and got pulled up for it. It's called debate, that's all that's happened here

Jim blatantly wrote that supportive text out himself in his notes

@gettobythesea

5 ай бұрын

Yeah I’ve always thought it’s the producers of the show sending texts to just agree with whatever agenda or topic they’re discussing

@rosshaugh7937

5 ай бұрын

Brilliant from Jim, the puppet master.

@blvck5943

5 ай бұрын

I think he just sifts through the texts and reads what he likes to hear atm 😂

@shaheenyboy

5 ай бұрын

@@gettobytheseaI’ve had my text read out on talksport before, but I agree they will select the texts that suit the present narrative for sure

Suddenly everyone wants perfection. But even sth automated like my windows pc gets blue screen.

we should use those short NFL-style camera posts - one on each point where the penalty box line joins the goal line - that would immediately show if the ball is out or not. Another post on each side line at the halfway point and every line would be covered

Why was the ref not sent to the screen by VAR instead of var booth making that decision.

@apc4y

5 ай бұрын

I think because the ref categorically said that the on field decision was “goaI”, also because the VAR said to the ref that the two hands in the back were not enough to force Gabriel to move as he did.

F'ing Hell! Keown has made a right burk out of himself here 🤣🤣

@bobbypukes605

5 ай бұрын

How so?

@kwameaboagye-cl9me

5 ай бұрын

In what way? He talks sense.

@aaronemerson7079

5 ай бұрын

Whaaa? You'll find Jordan was making himself look like a simp and a fool by being PGMOL and FA's puppet

@howstupidcanyoube100

5 ай бұрын

@@bobbypukes605by being such an Arsenal simp. He’s getting worked up about a 50/50 foul

@danofficial117

5 ай бұрын

@@bobbypukes605if you can’t see you never will

Martin saying have an ex player in the var team lol. Imagine Martin making a var decision that would favour Man Utd lol. I’m sure he will give Manchester United a positive result hahaha. He just wants var to be corrupt in his favour.

How to use VAR: - Each manager gets one challenge of VAR per half - VAR only intervenes when it insanely obvious and off side checks. - Refs don’t get involved at all bar dangerous play - let the game flow

Martin is like a brick wall that thinks it's a computer.

Jesus wept 🤔😤🤭🤦‍♂️🤬 how deluded is Martin Keown ffs!?!?! Coming from MK a statement like “he had 2 hands on his back it’s a foul” he needs to look at 90 minutes of PL football and see how many times a player has 2 hands on another players back??? As an example look at Carragher talking about Mo Salah’s handball against Leeds last season??.

Currently sitting in a pompy beach club in dubai, having my daily fix of talksport, what a great show lads. All the best GRAY

Funny how last season, when Arsenal's goal at old Trafford was disallowed after Eriksen was fouled by "two hands in the back", Martin cried his eyes out cos he thought the goal should've stood🙄

Simon and Jim aren't honest men on this issue.

@joew3477

5 ай бұрын

not honest about it being subjective?

@williamsmith9315

5 ай бұрын

​@@Roma_901What's he lied about?

If Gabriel pushed Joelinton with both hands , would that be a penalty ?

@jonblack7046

5 ай бұрын

Probably would've been given as a foul if Joelinton actually pushed Gabriel 🤣

@zvikomborerobakare4783

5 ай бұрын

Yep

The dude who made the comment on other sports not having a go at refs/ officials name checked some sports that have done exactly that. Boxing has long criticised and stood down officials for poor score cards. F1 was in complete disarray a couple of seasons ago from the farce of officiating the final race. That official has since been removed from the sport. It’s not just football. The only difference is football is a more popular product so every aspect of it (results, transfers, decisions etc) receives comparatively more attention.

"Managers who criticize referees" Is that a crime now?! We are setting ourselves up for authoritharianism

That 4 out of 5 ex players saying it was the right decision was too funny after Martin said ex players should be in the VAR room 🤣

@MySAMUEL32

5 ай бұрын

Corrupt former players

@rosscleary9110

5 ай бұрын

They evidently don't understand the laws of the game then do they?

@marcuscollins2486

5 ай бұрын

How many were former Arsenal players?

@BaronSpamedi

5 ай бұрын

Then, because that smashed his ridiculous narrative, he immediately (and with embarrassing predictability) starts hinting at corruption and conspiracy. Imagine getting to adulthood and not understanding the meaning of 'subjective'. Cringeworthy Keown.

@thecatbeast1

5 ай бұрын

Former players should not be anywhere near a VAR decision. They don’t understand the rules, or what makes a good rule. Time after time I hear these pundits making comments about, didn’t mean it… couldn’t help it etc….

Football fans thinks this will end at Arsenal... These sort of decisions will make someone cry one day

@chappellesfan

5 ай бұрын

That’s what they don’t understand. It’s only a matter of time before it affects their team’s season

@eljee102

5 ай бұрын

Exactly... eventually it'll affect everyone. It'll all balance itself out in the end. The law of averages eventually prevails. I think as fans we've made our voices heard and it's now time to move on from this specific incident.

@migennepravishta9485

5 ай бұрын

@@eljee102 I dont think it balances out, not in Arsenal's case anyways. At the end of January last season, a SkySports article that analyzed many wrong decision gone against Arsenal, argue that Arsenal had potentially lost 11 point unfairly... someone could argue that it may even cost Arsenal the title. The only debatable decision that went Arsenal's way last season was the equalizing penalty against City, a game they lost 3-1 anyways. Any club suffering from 3 official PGMOL apologies costing them 11 points, and then have Newcastle's goal allowed, would have imploded much much earlier. Not an Arsenal fan... but I hate injustices of any kind, and when I saw that article last January, I started sympathizing with Arsenal!

@eljee102

5 ай бұрын

@@migennepravishta9485 i'm not aware of that analysis, however, from the time you start accounting for the points Arsenal lost, and drawing conclusions you're arguing something else all entirely. The law of averages does still apply though, it just might take more time 😅.

@Plausible386

5 ай бұрын

​@@migennepravishta9485 thank god there are fans of other clubs that can actually see what is in front of them!

This is the kinda robust conversation’s I want 👌

It'll never make sense to me why the mainstream media ignores what causes a coach to make such comments but focus on the behavior and post match comments. Surely the best way to end all this is to have a better and higher standard of refereeing is it not?

The caller was definitely pretending to be a West Ham fan 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Wow. Martin is just babbling at this point.

This is the problem with studio presenters, studio guests and match commentary. Comments are based on who I played for, who i supported as a kid and who I had altercations with in the past.

Surely they can just adapt the hawkeye system for goal line technology they have for the whole pitch? 🤔

I’m a NUFC fan but charging Arteta or Arsenal is ridiculous… sure he was upset but let’s move on. I agree with an earlier post about concentrating our efforts on improving the referee’s and VAR not making a big deal about nothing. We keep stats on players so let’s keep stats on refs too!

@davidmiller1215

5 ай бұрын

Excellent Point Totally Agree And Also Stats On The VAR People Watching It Back At Base

@bubbacalling

5 ай бұрын

Arsenal fan here, thank you. Other managers have criticised VAR and have not been charged - very strange.

@sean_43

5 ай бұрын

​@@bubbacallingWho? It was totally over the top the way he reacted. Managers have said they disagree with decisions but not scornfully derided the whole professional refereeing fraternity in the premier league

@kylestanley1160

5 ай бұрын

​@bubbacalling arteta didn't criticise VAR. He went off on one on referees. If you're not 100% sure it is out, then you dont give it as out. The foul is subjective. It wasn't offside. The managers voted against autimation so only has himself to blame. Arteta cant speak about refs the way he did and not expect consequences.

@ghostoftheyoutubefuture2630

5 ай бұрын

Heckingbottom went IN on the refs.......gets brushed under the carpet@@bubbacalling

As an Arsenal fan, I can agree the ball was not out of play, the possible offside was difficult to call and I can understand the decision made for that, but how can that not be a foul on Gabriel? I've also noticed a lack of discussion about Havertz' tackle and the arm to Jorginho. Both red card incidents that again the ref's and VAR failed to deal with.

@darrenanderson2031

5 ай бұрын

Maybe If he didn’t dive so much he’d get the decision. Do you piss and moan this much every time he pulls a fast one to get a free kick?

@kelseyk7234

5 ай бұрын

Maybe Gabriel should actually jump to head the ball? If he does he wins the ball and no one would be discussing this topic

@dylanstevenson5737

5 ай бұрын

You can prove the ball was out of play can you ? Do you have the technology ?

@tomgarify

5 ай бұрын

@@darrenanderson2031do you piss and moan when your players dive? Of course you don’t!

@vkdeen7570

5 ай бұрын

u've missed the point on the foul.... its the type of foul that maybe 60-70% of ref would give in real time... but not all. u've seen that from the punditry after that it's split on that decision. therefore if the ref saw it in real time and didn't deem it a foul... is it a clear and obvious error? to which the answers is no. so ultimately tho the decision feels harsh it is actually the right one following protocols. however that whole goal is a complex and difficult decision what I don't get is why arsenal fans are fixate on that decision which is a tough subject one and not on the Bruno g. one? that 1 is a clear red card and I still don't understand to this day how it wasn't

Cameras in the corner flags .. Two on each.. horizontally and vertically?? Maybe 🤔

Keown talks nonsense..he wants an ex-pro in the VAR panel that is "subjective" in benefit to his team. When Jim drops the independent panel vote that voted 4-1 in favour that it wasnt a foul🤣 all ex pros👏🏼

Wish I could replay todays episode. Simon Jim and Martin’s chemistry on a Friday is hilarious

@kevincollett830

5 ай бұрын

You can listen to it again on the app.

@NoYouHandleIt.

5 ай бұрын

Chemistry? Really!! Jim white is an INSTIGATOR Simon Jordan Condescending and missed his call to be a politician. Martin ….. has his a biased …but not too shabby.. No chemistry Always a feud That’s why talk sport puts them together ! Just

@zcyf3211

5 ай бұрын

@@NoYouHandleIt. yeah, and you see that mix right there? It makes for great listening/watching. I enjoy hearing the different opinions whether I agree or not cause at the end of the day, you shouldn’t worry about what you can’t control 👍🏿👊🏿

@JoeHetherington

5 ай бұрын

​@zcyf3211 much better with that buffon Martin Keown. 🤡 always back tracking and his bias is clear as day

@MrBannystar

5 ай бұрын

@@NoYouHandleIt. You're clearly not very bright. Chemistry is about how people interact with each other, it doesn't have to be harmonious. The 3 old fuddies who presented Top Gear for many years often argued, and people enjoyed watching them *because they had good chemistry* and it's puzzling how you don't understand this.

Jim’s reaction at 15:28 😂😂😂

@UBZUKki

5 ай бұрын

Well done Martin

Keown is spot on in relation to the technology not being good enough. He does however need to look up the word subjective and apply it to his own thought processes if that is possible.

On the day: VAR didn’t ask the ref to look at anything. THAT’S what VAR should have done. Ball more out than in, two-handed shove - all worth letting the ref look at. That the VAR team took no action over an elbow aimed at Jorginho’s head is indicative of how inept the VAR team is.

Simon is a bit to clever for martin, he could cause a argument in a empty house ha ha

@tevildo45

5 ай бұрын

Simons a half with. Eddie Hearn annihilated him

@Franatomy

5 ай бұрын

He really isn't. Being well spoken isn't intelligent. His points are poor and he speaks over to make himself seem better than he is.

@jacknapier6668

5 ай бұрын

@@astrologiaeaudiobooks7278”can’t barely”. So they can?

Would be nice if the ref gets a charge for incompetence instead of managers for pointing it out.

@timwakley1770

5 ай бұрын

Very good point

@voight-kampff3611

5 ай бұрын

Competence = education + experience! Which refs are not competent according to you?

@seanb25

5 ай бұрын

They get demoted to championship/temporary suspension. Same as players get for getting a red card for making silly mistakes

Jim White holds Simon’s pockets every single show.

This has been coming they’re always treating him like a Felicia 💀

I wonder if Keown would be this passionate if his beloved Arsenal didnt have an issue with VAR at the moment.

@AceBanana100

5 ай бұрын

No he wouldnt...

@jameshamblin8440

5 ай бұрын

He wouldn't be asked

@khhaos865

5 ай бұрын

@@jameshamblin8440exactly

@lokischildren7862

5 ай бұрын

Arsenal have no complaints when Car decisions Go there way or con the ref

@khhaos865

5 ай бұрын

@@lokischildren7862 ah yes like last year against Brentford, no complaints👍🏽

It’s lack of consistency as Keown states VAR needs to be better. Apparently the pressure of Joelinton’s 2 hands on Gabriel wasn’t enough for a foul so how was one hand of Ramus Hojlund on Rodri enough to force Rodri to turn 360 degrees and then fall to the ground so a penalty was awarded. Subjective…..

Apply Martin's logic to the players. Goalie makes a mistake... sub him off and sell him. Next keeper makes a mistake... wash rinse repeat. Get rid of VAR and allow and accept human refs with the errors that occur.

Keown blinded by bias and then Simon saying 11:57 "Gary Neville" for like the 5th time to completely kill Keowns argument 😂

Keown still doing his talking with his feet. He's turning the show into Comedy gold.

as a footy fan .the foul by joalinton would be given anywhere else on the pitch i am sure of that

@michealpatt7584

5 ай бұрын

No it wouldn't Gabriel does this every time in fact he even did this today against colombia on Luis Diaz goal

The ex players for VAR is such a stupid idea. 1. So many ex pros disagreed on these decisions. 2. If they're anything like Dion Dublin (Commentary for England vs Malta last night) then they don't even know or understand the laws of the game! 3. Refs don't "Understand the game"? Well players don't "Understand" Refereeing! Same argument would apply! 4. They would still be held back by the "Clear and Obvious" wording. I find it hilarious that some average supporter thinks a bloke whose profession is officiating a sport hasn't played the game or has a far poorer understanding of it than they do because they played football at lunchtimes in school when they were twelve.

My god Mark clatternberg was a very iffy Ref. It's amusing that these two think their opinion is above Martin's..

All we want is the consistency.... You can't say it is not a foul today and tomorrow is a foul in a different game. The bais towards some clubs is too much. Justice should be served in all angels.

@jack28aug

5 ай бұрын

NO U DON'T! If u wanted consistency u'd acknowledge that lemina got sent off in similar circumstances to Tomiyasu and there wouldn't be outcrys over rashford/jones/udogie reds bcoz its consistent. Yet for some reason none of these decisions r accepted by fans.

@MrBannystar

5 ай бұрын

Did you not watch or listen to the video? The whole point is that you can't have consistency when certain decisions are subjective, and you'll never get consistency with contentious fouls. And when you talk about bias you enter conspiracy land where the system is out to get a team for no apparent reason.

The real problem is the inconsistency from game to game

Keown is 100% correct on the foul. It was blatant. The idea it was a subjective is a nonsense excuse. No reason for defender to go down if he isnt pushed. Keown also right about using better technology. Both the potential offside and the ball in/out of play should be possible to identify. Makes no sense that they did not draw lines as they are happy to use that for offside calls like they did for the disallowed Arsenal goal vs Brentford. I think it was actually in play though but it should have been possible to confirm.

Just get rid of VAR! 1. These meltdowns were barely happening pre VAR in comparison to today. 2. It’s slowed the game down dramatically (watch an old PL classic and tell me the game didn’t flow better). 3. If a trained linesman does not see any advantage with their trained eyes, I’m sorry a fractional offside should benefit the attacker. 4. To my point above, the same goes with a defender tackle in the box. If it’s not clear that contact was made on the player/ball (and again is marginal) benefit should go to defender. 5. Football is a human game, played by humans, for humans who should be reffed by humans. And ALL humans make mistakes, refs included. Conclusion: keep goal line technology, add to all boundaries of the field as there is no subjectivity. Pay refs a lot more money to attract the best and ramp up the training regime from top to bottom.

The sad reality about this hold thing if it were any other part of the pitch it would have being a straight up foul.

@lostinthoughtscalminsilenc8167

5 ай бұрын

It’s so sad

The refereeing and VAR have been dreadful this season and in response to that the PGMOL is going to charge managers and clubs instead of taking any tangible steps whatsoever of improving the refereeing or VAR. The amount of authoritarianism in this approach is mind boggling.

Why can't they have a cable above the goal line from one stand to another with like a few cameras facing downwards like harkeye in tennis.

What respect is Jordan talking about? People need to put some context into Arteta's implosion because it isnt down to Newcaslte's goal alone... it was an accumulation of what happen not only in other games this season, but also last season. At the end of January last season, a SkySports article that analyzed many wrong decision gone against Arsenal, argue that Arsenal had potentially lost 11 point unfairly... someone could argue that it may even cost Arsenal the title. Any club suffering from 3 official PGMOL apologies costing them 11 points, and then have Newcastle's goal allowed, would have imploded much much earlier... enough is enough!