Smaller clubs don’t want replays they want the money that replays bring. Fair enough.

@rj41975

Ай бұрын

So changing the proportion of revenue for tickets (e.g. full 100% revenue for home game and 30% more away fan allocation) and bigger TV revenue. Sorted. If the 60-70% of the games resulted in replays sure, I'd understand the fuss but the number is much lower than that so ....

@anthonyanthonyccarr3356

Ай бұрын

Our smaller clubs both want the replays (for the occasion, memories etc) and need the money. Many of my fondest, formative memories as a young Carlisle fan, were drawing away at Sunderland and bringing them back to BP. Those occasions have a huge affect on a fan’s affinity for the club. So I disagree, we do want replays.

that Chesterfield fans audio was still better then Talksports

These giant killings happened 30 odd years ago. As i've put on another video, if 2 teams from different leagues are drawn the lower ranked team get the choice of venue. They can then bank the cash or give themselves a better chance of getting through.

@Ligerpride

Ай бұрын

The Hereford giant killing was in 1972, 52 years ago. Also it was against Newcastle, not exactly the biggest scalp.

So if the EFL clubs were given the money to balance out any money lost from replays, why does it matter?

Then the home team for the game should be decided by who is lower down, as in germany

Simon is bang on , people talking about the economics whilst ignoring the fact commercially this will be more beneficial. Also smaller clubs are more likely to giant kill in one game rather than a replay. Look at Coventry today against man united , Look at Maidstone against Ipswich.

The FA don't run the English game, the top clubs in the PL do. Greed and power rule

@wickedmanrick2582

Ай бұрын

Yeah cause they decide the draw what a clown

I think the lower league clubs need to realise this actually helps them massively, as normally If they get a home time on their not so good pitches against a top side who likely fields a weakened team, they get to settle a tie on their home soil rather and keep momentum of a home ground than going away from home where they most likely will get battered which means more money for a better chance of progressing.

@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986

Ай бұрын

This is clearly a big club fan mentality. I couldn’t care less if we get battered 5-0 in a replay at the emirates or old Trafford, the very fact we got to go there and watch my team play against a massive club and make a weekend of the event is big enough by itself, if we score a goal then great but the match itself is the event for fans of small clubs like me

@jimmideerichards9554

Ай бұрын

@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 ok yeah I see your point, but still when it comes to the financial side, it’s more rewarding for your club/owner to progress through the tournament as people don’t really understand the difference in prize money each round you progress, especially for a lower league team, that’s a huge difference, so the people running the club don’t really care about your guys having an away day, all the care about is money, and the reason most clubs are not liking this idea, is because should the tie be a reverse and a away game, the chance of them progressing and having the ability to compete for some decent winnings is out the window. Mark my words, after all this drama, if the FA or the premier league offer the lower league club more money for this to stick, then you’ll see every single club agree to it. As sad as it is, clubs don’t put fans interests top of the priority, only money.

In the German cup, which is single elimination, the minnows always get the right to play at home

@user-ct1cj6hs8d

Ай бұрын

Foreigners nuff said

@scottking869

Ай бұрын

Way it should be

@ollycollie

Ай бұрын

Lower league clubs don't want to play at home. They want to play away in front of seventy-five thousand. More memories, and more money.

@slinslin83

Ай бұрын

@@ollycollie uh no? you want to play infront of your own fans and get the matchday revenue

@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986

Ай бұрын

@@slinslin83there’s far more match day revenue going away to old Trafford and bringing a large crowd you can’t fit into your own small stadium and splitting the match revenue 50/50 with man United

It would ease the pain a little bit. However, the European competitions are being expanded so something had to give. The League Cup might be gone in a few years time if UEFA keep that new “Swiss” format for the European club competitions.

FA CUP is a knockout competition. The 'magic' of the cup is that a small team can win. Replays hurt a small teams chance of winning as they would have to best a team over 2 games. If you want to argue the money then argue the money. More chance of progressing = more money.

@maw1903

Ай бұрын

It's also about going to a bigger stadium and getting more revenue from those games regardless of losing the game. It's not just about progressing

Honestly how many giant killings are there these days. The big teams are so far ahead you barely hear of a cup shock

@Ligerpride

Ай бұрын

And they don't generally field their best team. Even the supporters don't show up in as many numbers.

I'm a Spurs fan and I'll admit that 'up to now' we haven't done too badly out of VAR this season, if anything we've had more than our fair share of good fortune, but I have to say that I am 100% behind Forest in coming out with this. The way they have been treated by various officials has been nothing but disgusting. Every fan can expect one or two huge injustices per season due to weak and ineffectual refereeing or woeful VAR individuals sat over at Stockley Park but these guys seem to follow Forest around everywhere they go and their gross incompetence could yet see them relegated. If so, they'll know more than most just how tough it is getting back to the promised land.

The FA cup was ruined when they moved the semi finals to Wembley and moved the kick off time from 3pm , for the money I suppose, I remember when the FA cup final was the only match on TV shown live, even my dad who didn't like football watched it, it was tradition, now tradition is trumped by money.

@adeo767

Ай бұрын

Yeah let’s stop showing other fa cup games on tv, because there are only 50,000 -80,000 fans (depending on the size of the stadium) in the country. The rest that can’t get a ticket just have to wait for 10pm to watch Gary lineker face and listen to those “pundits” on MOTD. When I thought it couldn’t get worse on here, SMH

I think the best option would be to give the smaller clubs a larger portion of matchday revenues as if they would have received if there was a replay if they end up drawing in NT or ET

I agree with Simon. It's all about money. Forget the sentiment and get real. Replays hardly happens nowadays anyway. Smaller clubs get beat either way nowadays anyways.

Simon sounded like Touker at the end 😂

Surely if smaller clubs were given 'free' money they would be less motivated to win FA Cup matches? Some of the best most memorable matches in history have been FA Cup replay matches!

@savage6131

Ай бұрын

Less motivation to win? they all play for draws anyway so thats nonsense.

@middleman9183

Ай бұрын

@@savage6131 oh

For me what has taken the importance and ceremonial pomp away from the FA Cup is, the semi finals are played at Wembley 🤷‍♂️🤦 and with the new Wembley, the teams don't have that long walk anymore 🤷‍♂️....it's lost its identity as a competition and Wembley as a stadium lacks any feeling or atmosphere. But, the foreigners in our game couldn't care less about the FA Cup... please bring our teams back to mainly British players as in the late 70s and early to mid 80s, our club football was dominant plus... English managers achieved that

For fans.. its not about money. Its about that dream of playing an elite club and potentially getting a second game agaisnt them. If there are hardly any replays then whats the point of changing it?

@davidwebster5946

Ай бұрын

Load of tosh. They actually have a better chance if it goes to pens after 90 minutes than clinging on for 180 minutes over two legs

With the CL being expanded cuts are needed elsewhere. Personally I would love it if international qualifiers were scrapped but greedy UEFA wont allow that.

The premier league don't care about anyone outside of the top 6 let alone the EFL! But I do hate replays, at least after round 3.

Talk Sport ‘players play too much football games throughout the season, Uefa and Fifa doesn’t care about players!’…..Talk Sports ‘Players should play FA cup games!’….Interpretation ‘we are bias!’

WHY from the first round!!! SURELY from the 3rd round, but not from the first round, shocking.

@tommay1959

Ай бұрын

Most cant afford to travel

@oniondesu9633

Ай бұрын

​​@@tommay1959if the premier league and the fa did this agreement for the sake of fans wallets, they'd lower their ticket prices, but that's not happening is it. so obviously that was not a consideration. you are just making up excuses for them.

@johnsimpson6670

Ай бұрын

@@oniondesu9633 But the Premier League isn't involved in the 1st round, so subsequently won't lower any prices.

Cut the PL to 18 teams ,it's boring a lot of matches.

Simon being awesome at the end 😆

Give some of these clubs more money and they see it as an opportunity to get into more debt and the circular continues.

Simon Jordan, always giving the owner class perspective as if that’s all that matters. Proles, know your place.

I don't understand how Jordan gets to say these things freely without any comeback. When he speaks about lower league clubs getting 3/4 million as opposed to having replays, its all hypothetical. No one has agreed or even spoke about the possibility of this, he just recommended it as a hypothetical, yet no one on the show questions it, they take it as Gospel. At this rate, you could just invent any form of compensation to clubs and have it accepted as whats going to happen. Its how this show works. Its basically glorified gossip coming out his mouth.

@mumsspaghetti6649

Ай бұрын

How dare someone have an opinion different to mine. Keep your activist approach to life away from football.

@mumsspaghetti6649

Ай бұрын

Womp womp. How dare a man have an opinion

@matthewj6026

Ай бұрын

@@mumsspaghetti6649 exactly, you've made my point for me. Opinions when facts are needed. Cheers mate

@georges4835

Ай бұрын

​@mumsspaghetti6649 seems like your the one offended by a differing opinion

@craigbuckland6584

Ай бұрын

To be fair pal it is TalkSport

How many replays have lower league cubs had against top sides? And when those lower sides are drawn away to a top side anyway, what's the argument? For a handful of games a season? Simon is 100% correct, if money is increased for lower divisions then all good surely.

@darrencarter6350

Ай бұрын

By the same token one could argue that if it's only a handful of games why scrap them? A handful of games isn't going to overload a fixture schedule. It's laughable. There are sides outside the Premier League who have played more games than Man City despite the fact that Man City have gone deep in most competitions.

They key word here being "if" !!!

I think that the minnows should have the option to either play the game at their own ground or at the Premier league ground so they can generate more money. I would also seed the top Premier league clubs so theres more chance of the lower league clubs landing a Premier league giant in the 3rd round

An ex owner that didn’t pay his players and nearly wiped a club out of existence should not be commentating on these subjects

Taking replays away from small clubs is stupid .how many upsets have their been big teams going away. Loads so how can you compensate a small club for draws that give you home advantage. Because don't forget small clubs play small clubs before big boys enter.

Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 🙌

I know it could never happen but wouldn’t it be funny if all EFL clubs decided to not play in the FA Cup next season and left it to the 20 premier league clubs. The competition would die and it would be exactly what the FA deserves

@jamesbernardini9063

Ай бұрын

It would still pull in roughly the same viewing numbers domestically and, probably, exactly the same viewing numbers internationally.

@Youafool500

Ай бұрын

You think the Premier League clubs would care if the EFL did that, the problem with the FA cup started is when the FA let the small clubs switch venues and go play home games at the bigger club stadium

@user-ti5ys8bd6r

Ай бұрын

You mean like create a sort of super league where the whole purpose is to generate far more revenue when lesser teams are not involved in the competition. The FA and Premier League would be the ones laughing.

FA cup is a knock out competition, luck of the draw on the fixtures, should be one game and done for the round, players are getting burned out and injured with fixture congestion as it is, get better and go up the leagues if you want to play the bigger clubs more often

@maw1903

Ай бұрын

Premier League is soft, crying about fixtures when the EFL teams play for games a season then the majority of the PL clubs

“I don’t care about Lincoln” 🤦‍♂️

@nickgower8681

Ай бұрын

Plenty of folks do care about Lincoln

@wickedmanrick2582

Ай бұрын

​@@nickgower8681no more then the premier league teams

@adeo767

Ай бұрын

@@nickgower8681sure premier league will miss the Lincoln fans who would boycott watching the premier league lol

@dansomething7742

Ай бұрын

​@adeo767 do you not have anything better to do than troll for interactions on youtube?

@spillage9392

Ай бұрын

I don't care about Manchester City's fixture congestion.

Not that you’ll care what we do, but in Australia for the cup… the lowest ranked team automatically gets drawn at HOME! test it…

@eirebhoy132

Ай бұрын

Give them the option to play home or away, if they want to go through they might pick home if they just want money they’ll pick away.

Simon is right again. I’d rather guaranteed revenue than a one in 10000 chance of a possible replay once every 10 years

This is what I don’t get. Why is the conversation about a lower league club depending on the lottery of drawing a game, rather than improving revenues for these ties so that this doesn’t need to happen? Let them decide where the tie is, and let the lowest ranked team keep all the gate revenue too. Televise every game in every round. Won’t this generate money? The PL teams only get peanuts from the FA Cup so they won’t miss it if it’s given to EFL teams.

If you're talking about a chance to win, without replays is even better, because the game will go straight to pens or ET instead of another 90 minutes. The real reason is the money

Simon when its comes to ruining football for money: " Fans are stupid, players complain, the FA can bloody do what they feel. "

Prem clubs have enormous squads. They can cope with the odd replay ffs. The FA boasts about the FA Cup being ‘the best domestic cup, where 729 clubs compete for one cup…’ and yet they make this hugely significant change for the benefit of approximately 7 clubs (who all have enormous squads and resources). Even if it’s for the benefit of all Prem Clubs (which it isn’t) that’s still shafting 709 clubs for the benefit of 20! Total piss take.

Half of the lower league teams dont even make the 3rd round and only a few get drawn against a top team and even fewer manage a draw. All they really want is more money

Should have been done years ago. They should also play the third round to semi-finals over three weekends; Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday. Early to mid-February would probably be a good time, just before the European competitions restart.

Facup was one of the bigest games in the world when iwas a kid every one on that saturday wood be watching no one about watching the build up on itv them days have gone now shame it is

ps people forget simons just saying what they could do we all in realilty no extra money will go down the pyramid lol.. im a middelsbrough fan we always do well in the competition so for me one less game is a good thing but im always a fan of football and seeing smaller clubs get an opportunity to take on a giant.

Don’t play give them all a message

Martin Keown: "What's the best chance for a lower league team to go far in the competition?" It's to win in the first match. Every time I've seen a small club get a big result and draw against a big PL team in the FA Cup, the replay has gone the way of the bigger team. The big upsets I've seen have happened in the first match. WHY? Because the smaller club has a better chance of progressing over 1 leg than 2. This is common knowledge. So I think it's a poor argument. Want a solution? You could do what they do in Spain with the Copa Del Rey, where the club from the lower division hosts the match.

@Ligerpride

Ай бұрын

Yes. The only big one I can think of was Bolton winning away to Liverpool in 1993. That was a replay. They were magnificent too. I think they ended up nearly knocking Arsenal out at Highbury.

Utter nonsense ffs. My teams been in league 1 and 2 for the last 30 years, the only chance I’ve ever had to go to premier league groups to watch my team were cup competitions, and replays have made that happen more than enough times. I couldn’t care less if the owner makes an extra 100k

They are killing the English game.They forgot the people that really own the game. The local supporters not the overseas fans. Richard Masters should resign immediately. He is incompetent.

No team in a European competition should be eligible to compete in the league cup and give the winner a spot to qualify for a European competition…… Sorted ✌️

Premier League is the priority. If premier league is not making money, then no money for EFL does it. It's all bout the money, nobody care the FA Cup

I have an idea re the fa cup it will probably never happen because who really cares what I think🤣 however re when a lower league club get drawn against a premier league club for example then give them the option of playing the match away for financial aspect of it 🤔 what makes me laugh re the outrage of scrapping replays is there is no guarantee the lower league clubs even draw the really big clubs anyway its the luck of the draw 🤔

I'm surprised that Simon didn't bring up player welfare to Martin, since he's always complaining about too many matches. No replays = less matches

Simon you have forgoten where Palace came from. I have lost all respect for you.

Absolutely Disgusting!

Small clubs insist on money and that’s fine but big clubs do the same and they are parasitic, selfish and arrogant 😂

@georges4835

Ай бұрын

Thats because small clubs insist on money to stay alive, not out of greed, its pretty simple

Does Simon personally pay the OFCOM fines when he swears on live radio??? 😅😅😅😅😅

Yeah this outcry seems to only suit the lower league clubs complaining if they lose the replay. Why not go all out and try and win in the first tie? That’s how the FA Cup works. Also now if you draw and go to penalties you’ve got a 50% chance of getting more revenue in the next round compared to a replay. Scrapping replays is a good idea for all clubs.

@vaultmarketplaceltd1901

Ай бұрын

yeah thats philanthropic though.. OBVIOUSLY winning the first tie is the ultimate aim but if a league 2 side faces a premier league side factually the odds are against them and there likely to be outplayed the whole of the game but if they can hang in there and get a second crack even if they go out its double bubble its always been the case and any fan arguing against it is daft. facts are the rule was changed behind the rest of the pyramids back to suit the premier league and more broadly the big 6 as always.. i remenber when tottenham played marine and you've got fans climbing over the scaffolding talking to jose mourinho or when havent and waterloo made it to the 3rd round guranteeing a life changing payday for the club.. we get in the premier league generates the most money but with all that money whats 5 more games

If small clubs need the big clubs to come to their place in order to sell out the stadium then maybe they’re doing something wrong in the first place

look size pl squads surley all players not playing could play in a replay or mmmmmmmmmmmmmm ffffffffffff win the game first time round

They have the chance to beat big teams once, if you cant do it tough. Game has moved on hardly any make the third round anyway and very few get further, the money they my earn will maybe let them survive a year, there is a reason you are in debt you are not good enough..

The truth is the Prem doesn’t need to consult the EFL. This isn’t just the top clubs in the Prem either. The Prem has voted for this and if you asked the championship clubs would they like replays? I bet they’d say no too. The smaller clubs need the money more than replays. The simple solution is make the distribution better and everyone wins.

@anthonyanthonyccarr3356

Ай бұрын

Not true. The occasion is also very important for the smaller clubs.

@JP-es1nb

Ай бұрын

@@anthonyanthonyccarr3356 the occasion has not been removed. The draw is still there. And the giant killing can still happen. If the clubs could get the equivalent financial support a replay might bring (replays are not that many by the way), they’d all be better off. I’m all for replays but if they do go, there needs to be better compensation

I'd be embarrassed if I supported a Premier League team.

@rogerdavies2796

Ай бұрын

I'd be embarrassed if I wrote your comment

@purehyperbole5727

Ай бұрын

@@rogerdavies2796 Plenty to go around.

I don't understand Keown point of view. Surely the smaller club has a better chance of progressing in a one off game rather than via a replay. Also, why is the onus on anybody to allow a team full of amateurs or semi-pros to have a go at old Trafford or win the cup. The best team should win the tournament.

@anthonyanthonyccarr3356

Ай бұрын

Your second sentence underlines that you have absolutely no understanding of why the FA Cup is so cherished.

@Ligerpride

Ай бұрын

@@anthonyanthonyccarr3356 it's not. In any event it still doesn't make any difference. When a non league team gets drawn with a team from the top half of the premier league it invariably ends without a replay anyway. The fact is they stand a better chance of progressing through to round 3 without replays, as they'd be more likely to beat a league club in a one and done round.

Simon Jordan always on the other side

LMAO beep

Hate replays with a passion.

Simon Jordan is such a mug it's unbelievable

I Do NOT Care About What This Prat Says.

Small clubs whinging as always about not getting a slice of the pie.

@georges4835

Ай бұрын

Utd fan?

@thefifthhour45

Ай бұрын

Stinks of elitism.

Well the fans of Lincoln and co can boycott watching the premier league in protest, they’ll truly be missed! 🙄