Remember how God showed compassion on Elijah when he fell into such a dark depression. Of course, this isn't directly related to medication but it does show that God didn't condemn, judge or rebuke Elijah over it.

@_sarah.

2 жыл бұрын

@@yeyamusic I second that

i take medication. i believe God has provided them for my healing. has He given me the gospel to rely on, Yes! is my meducation necessary, yes!

@Glow_Vlogs

4 жыл бұрын

Do you mind me asking which kind you take because I'm bout to look into an anti depressant for my MDD and I have the kind that is numbing with no interest in anything, no energy and want to stay in bed all day.

@jaytkadv2429

4 ай бұрын

Same over here I believe god gave the medicine to me to help me serve him more. I suffer from anxiety and depression. My depression turn into psychosis. My pastor told me that his dad who was a born again Christian and also a pastor, that he was clinically depressed! I was like wow a born again Christian who is a pastor was clinically depressed?! I couldn’t believe it. That relieve some of my guilt.

My daughter has autism and psychosis. I praise God every single day for her medications that help her to live a stable life. They are a blessing. Her condition is not a weakness, or a spiritual deficit. She lives in a fallen world and needs medical support. Thank you Dr. Piper for your clear and biblical teaching.

@danielcmonteiro

7 жыл бұрын

God bless you.

@JESUSisGODourSAVIOUR

6 жыл бұрын

Did your Daughter get any VACCINES prior to being diagnosed with Autism ? The POISON VACCINES are causing a EPIDEMIC of HEALTH PROBLEMS and Autism is one of them....... Sorry to hear about your Daughter.

@Repentee

6 жыл бұрын

Praying for you. We might have to go down the medication route for our son, who has some sensory issues and shows signs of ADHD, perhaps connected with some genetic issues. Either way it would seem that God through this and through our church has been opening our eyes to special needs ministries and being more involved. Can't lie, it's a struggle, but day by day the Lord is working on this hard heart.

@CatMom5050

6 жыл бұрын

JESUSisGODourSAVIOUR vaccines do not cause Autism. My daughter has a chromosone disorder and I had to meet with a genetisist many times to prepare for the challanges. Autism is a genetic defect. Autism existed long before vaccines, we just have better tools to know what is the cause of various problems that we didn't have before.

@r.crompton2286

5 жыл бұрын

JESUSisGODourSAVIOUR I'm a Baby Boomer -- the first generation that received multiple vaccines from the mid 1940's through the '50's. They included tetanus, smallpox, diptheria, poliomyelitus vaccines. I don't recall anybody who became autistic as a result of those vaccinations, noting the vaccines of that era were largely first generation without long-term testing, developed out of desperation to stop terrible epidemics. Nobody in North America born after 1960 has any clue as to how bad contracting polio was prior to the wholesale inoculation of the Salk Vaccine in '55. By the early 60's polio was almost eradicated. We can give thanks to the late Jonas Salk for his non-poisonous vaccine and the subsequent boosters we received with improved vaccines developed by other scientists like Sabin.

What is the grater sin taking antidepressants or killing yourself because of depression!

@yeriscarat9241

5 жыл бұрын

lorne Amyotte true

I take Prozac 20 milligrams since i am 24 years old due to the inability of my brain to sufficiently produce serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine on its own (Could be from years of boxing/doing drugs etc. etc.) I was not a Christian when i started this medicine . The Lord powerfully saved me in 2008 and i stopped taking the Prozac to see how i would do . The depression came back the same as it was before which is pretty bad . I am 44 yrs old now and still take the Prozac 20 mgs, I will take it until the day the Lord stakes me to glory. 2 Corinthians 12:9 But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me.

@warriorrose4

5 жыл бұрын

reformed09 beautiful story. Another aspect of this is, tha tI like you, have been on SSRIs from PRoxac to Paxil to Efexor and now Lexapro. I tapered down, bit by bit, and I had horrendous rebound anxiety and a black longterm Depression. These drugs are very very hard to come back as the brains neurons get used to them , however, we need to get thru life without crippling depression and I know Jesus is merciful and knows we didnot take these drugs for fun or to get high. Jesus knows our he arts. so be glad. x

@franmanullang8100

Ай бұрын

​@@warriorrose4saya percaya Mukjizat Kesembuhan itu Ada

I’m on 50 mg sertraline and it helps so much. God is first and foremost though.

@BJJ_Richie

2 жыл бұрын

@@tuomos6601 don't worry I am on 100 MG of zoloft for 4 weeks , and it's not doing so great for me right now , but one thing I don't fall prey to is worrying if I am letting god down

@Coldfront-sg3tt

2 жыл бұрын

You're not a Christian if you hate other races. A sinful man will only have death in their soul

Amen - it all depends on the heart attitude of the user - there is legitimate depression that is unrelated to spiritual wellness - Charles Spurgeon is a great example - he fought depression all the time - and I challenge any believer to put their life up against Spurgeon's and tell me his depression was a spiritual issue - this kind of depression is simply a result of the Genesis Fall and Curse - in contrast, there are millions of unbelievers who rely on antidepressants in vain because they are trying to replace their need for Jesus Christ with a pill, but there are a lot of believers whose depression is not a spiritual issue and their lives and ministry benefit greatly from the careful use of antidepressants. Mine included.

@r.crompton2286

5 жыл бұрын

Eric Thompson I would challenge your remarks concerning Spurgeon's depression. In his case, it most certainly was a spiritual issue -- not wholly perhaps but significantly, noting that the saints are always under attack in some way from the dark side. In that sense then, it's causation is a spiritual issue. Spurgeon, being a predominate messenger of truth in Great Britain in the late 1800's (along with Bishop J.C. Ryle), was under heavy attack from Satan who always aims to bring down faithful pastors/evangelist/teachers. Those attacks have continued since the Day of Pentecost and shall continue so until the Lord returns. Believers need to carefully discern the difference between depression caused by physical infirmity/weakness and depression that is demonically-directed -- for the latter cannot be cured/controlled through taking anti-depressant drugs; but can only be helped by immersing oneself in God's Word and deepening one's prayer life.

@Glow_Vlogs

4 жыл бұрын

@@r.crompton2286 wow, spot on!!!

@Glow_Vlogs

4 жыл бұрын

@@r.crompton2286 I really think that some of us may not find any relief until heaven. Like when God told Paul my grace is sufficient for you because Paul was wondering why the thorn in the side would not be removed. I think their things will deal with and God knows what we can handle. I know especially with it being the LAST of the last days, the devil will surely come against us but with God we will overcome.

@r.crompton2286

4 жыл бұрын

Olivia degg Well stated!

@sophiarose9610

4 жыл бұрын

Eric Thompson actually sometimes it’s a chemical imbalance so it’s not spiritual.

This video basically saved me, Thank God! I was refusing to take it because of the thought of taking it wasn't fully leaning on God. I then remembered the story of the man who asked God for help from a flood and eventually died and went to heaven. God had sent him everything he needed. I was just recently diagnosed with OCD Pure O with some other compulsions that no one would notice. I went down an obsessional spiral after my 2nd child was born. I couldn't stop confessing thoughts and past mistakes no matter how significant of insignificant they were. Some of them weren't even true. The cool way God works is though, is as I'm going through this I came across this video of John Piper. As I was going through my Harm OCD phase during this phase and Pastor Bob from Sanctuary Ministries did a whole series that exact week I was having suicidal thoughts because of my OCD. So I thank God for this message Pastor John Piper.

@potatomuffin4420

7 жыл бұрын

Update: Don't take SSRIs while under care of a internist doctor. Always go to a Psychiatrist......

@EmeraldRubyTea

Жыл бұрын

@@potatomuffin4420why?

@potatomuffin4420

Жыл бұрын

@@EmeraldRubyTea why what?

@potatomuffin4420

Жыл бұрын

@@EmeraldRubyTea why go to a psychiatrist. My entire story revolves around going manic while taking manic. A psychiatrist would have done a family and behavioral history which would have leaned to bipolar disorder. Which I have as well. I'm in full recovery from OCD now due to therapy. God's hand was in my journey the entire time. Lead me to a correct diagnosis.

@EmeraldRubyTea

Жыл бұрын

@@potatomuffin4420 can you share the link to the Sermon by Pastor Bob you referred to in your OP? Thx.

Anti-depression medication does not make you happy. It makes it possible for you to be happy.

@Glow_Vlogs

4 жыл бұрын

No your right. but it goes deeper than that and I think for some you may not be able to produce a hormone that can help you get out of the house and have energy to clean and have the chemicals to be able to function normally not happiness or some rush or a high but just to be able to function because like myself I have the kind of chemical imbalance that doesn't make me sad or unhappy because I'm at peace but unfortunately I have the kind that causes serious mental exhaustion low brain energy loss of interest inbeing around people and socializingand evenactivitiesI could do alone likehiking and getting outside. I find myself unable to stand for long, I'm wanting to stay inside all day and not being able to do the things I used to because of my serotonin deficiency and neurotransmitters are malfunctioning from my past life of sin and drug abuse. Trust me I've got every test done that's possible, MRI, CT scan, allergy, vitamin, cancer, sleep studies, you name it. I also have went to a lot of demonic deliverances which helped me break off a lot of bitter angry spirits and addictions but still I have this low brain function and poor cognition causing depression.I have nothing wrong with me other then all the signs that show that my mental hormones are depleted. I do believe I will be able to experience some things that will cause me to feel more joy and happiness once I get on antidepressants.

@bonezbaaaby

4 жыл бұрын

No it doesn't. It numbs your emotions and gives you mania. Then they wanna throw a mood stabilizer at you. ANOTHER drug to mellow out what the FIRST one did. And you have to keep changing the dose or the cocktail. Better to feel DEPRESSION than numbness. It makes you like a robot and a zombie.

@morriswilburn9858

4 жыл бұрын

@@bonezbaaaby That may have been the case with the drugs used 50 years ago, but not now. Perhaps the most commonly prescribed medication nowadays is fluoxetine, and it does not have a sedative effect, it merely makes you feel like you normal self. I know from personal experience.

@Christ_Is_Life10-10

4 жыл бұрын

Morris Wilburn they allow me to function and the rest is up to me. Happiness isn’t necessarily derived from the pills. I’m learning to be mindful and grateful for Gods mercy and grace. I act accordingly through obedience which brings me happiness.

@BullyMaguire22222

4 жыл бұрын

Mine doesnt even do that

Thank you brother John! No one really understands manic depression and psychosis unless you've experienced it. I look to Jesus, I'm responsible for my actions, anger harsh words road rage, but without the meds I can only imagine what extreme I would go to. Not to mention suicidal thoughts. I destroyed one marriage being un- medicated. Happily married now, still have rough days have to ask forgiveness from her and my son sometimes. but the meds help and God overrules me and my circumstances. I look ultimately to him

Pastor John Piper has shown so much grace for those suffering under depressions hold in this video.

I suffered depression. one day i decided this is enough and handed this over to the Lord. from that moment onwards. i had not lost one night peaceful sleep since then. so who can said God is not the answer !

@butcherjsy8

9 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree, I believe they can be OK for temporary use (even though they never helped me), for that lady to say she believes she would be on them the rest of her life, she must have a very small God, post natal depression is an example when they can be useful for the short term but if someone needs them for years then there is clearly a deeper problem there and that should be prayed through. I personally suffered a lot with depression in the past, the solution? I wasn't putting the Lord first in my life, He has to not only be number one in our heart but He needs to be the love of our life and the reason we exist, when He is that in my life, He turns my mourning into dancing and clothes me with a garment of joy!

@rodneyrose6483

7 жыл бұрын

Your full of shit

@buckobucko3938

6 жыл бұрын

Kim Lee That's AWESOME! Just don't try to say that God will do the same for everyone.

@kingdavid4466

5 жыл бұрын

Jeremiah Tothenations....I've tried getting off antidepressants twice and both times I lost my marriages and became seriously depressed to the point of suicidal thoughts non stop!!! I hve to stay on these drugs for the rest of my life so that I may not die!!! How is that a sin? I believe in christ all the same!!!

@blahblahblah3722

5 жыл бұрын

clinical depression or just a moment of depression? One is a mental illness and one isnt...

did god not give man the knowledge to even create medicine

@feels6233

4 жыл бұрын

1god no no he did not

@senli_popiwall7236

3 жыл бұрын

@1god strouse Yes I believe God did. Jesus talks about it in John 14:12

@DG-mv6zw

3 жыл бұрын

@@feels6233 Apparently God didn't give you the ability to punctuate a sentence correctly in English! 😀

@wesleyelliott1603

3 жыл бұрын

@@DG-mv6zw try to be nice, that's what Jesus would do. also, God did give man knowledge to create medicine, how else would we have it?

@joshuaokoro-sokoh2993

3 жыл бұрын

Yes he did.

I used to suffer from depression. I was on 300mg of Effexor for 2 years. It wasn't until God brought me to see, through reading the bible and learning more about HIM, that my depression was solely based on self pity, self-absorbtion, and just "SELF" that I was able to completely stop taking my medication because my depression was a SIN- based on idoltry and failure to see God as my absolute everything, even in my times of pain. When I saw GOD as my comforterer and my ONLY Idol...I was HEALED.

@alannacranston8235

2 ай бұрын

God showed great mercy and understanding and compassion to Elijah when he suffered anxiety and depression. He did not condemn him, he helped him. It is way too harsh to declare anyone suffering depression is merely full of self pity. It is often self loathing and others love and compassion is needed not harsh judgement

@janetholmes

19 күн бұрын

@@alannacranston8235 I don't think their comment was a blanket statement for everyone who is walking through depression; it was just their personal testimony. It offered encouragement, I thought! God came through. Many people would sooner identify themselves with an illness than as a Christian first; it can become an idol of sorts to some. I can sympathize with this, I've been about 90% bedridden since 2015. There's different paths God takes believers on to heal their identities and some illnesses certainly are healed through repentance and seeking the Lord. Other times it's a long game and it can be hard when illness persists. No shame in being where you or taking help if you need it! Hope you're feeling alright.

I have been on several medications and antidepressants in my teen years into early 20s, and some have certainly helped. There may have been physical side effects which was the reason I originally got off, but my mind did stabilize. I got off around the time I first came to christ (4 years ago) and due to some hardships and trials my mental state got significantly worse. While I do pray and press in to the Lord, I feel there is a chemical imbalance issue as well as demonic attacks. For much of my life and particularly the past couple years, I have struggled with issues stemming from asperger's, anxiety (all forms), adhd, anger and ocd. I have also had depression and low self esteem which got significantly worse recently after struggles with jobs and my mom's recent passing. My aunt thinks I need medication desperately, and I am seeing a doctor in 2 weeks to help me get back on something. I could understand if someone just wanted something to alter their mind to feel better, but in other cases such as myself there may be a legit chemical imbalance medications could treat. If I could focus better and not be riddled with intense anxiety and ocd all the time, that would significantly improve my chrisitian life! I vehemently diagree with those who think its demonic or an easy way out.

@TheSevenmiracle

6 жыл бұрын

Gr8FishingMadness how re you now? In dealing with the same thing

Thank you for this, ! I tried to get off my AD's so often and fell in a deeper hole, than before. I am on a very low dosis now and yes, I can function , Love Christ, my husband and have moments of joy.

Having had two nervous breakdowns & suffering with chronic anxiety all my adult life i depend on antidepressants to give my brain the seratonin its lacking, like the woman Pastor John mentioned i will probably be on this medication for life but it does'nt mean i don't trust Jesus for healing, it just keeps my mood stable & gives me the peace of mind i need to worship Him in faith

Such a compassionate response. For me I have no problem being on anti-depressants theologically, but practically they don't work. I have lyme disease which causes severe anxiety, and anit-depressants do nothing for me. Fighting my disease and a lot of natural therapies for anxiety, including being in nature, does.

@warriorrose4

5 жыл бұрын

Andrea Vik. Lymes disease has many debilitating issues and you can get depressed and anxious and downcast. I pray that things get better for you. Some specialists are better than others treating this. Keep asking God to guide you

@here2grow_

2 жыл бұрын

Glory To GOD

I’m very cautious about being on medications, but I have been on SSRI antidepressants for 3 years now and it has helped me incredibly. I see many of my illnesses so similar to people like Charles Spurgeon and William Cowper. My focus has improved so I can focus on things in everyday life including paying attention to the truth of Jesus Christ. I often think that my clinical depression is something upon me in order to humble me.

@Pedro-of4tn

Жыл бұрын

Peace be unto you. I hope that you are well, here is a scripture that will give you more insight into the topic... 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 English Standard Version 7 So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations,[a] a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong. Exodus 4:10-12 Complete Jewish Bible 10 Moshe said to Adonai, “Oh, Adonai, I’m a terrible speaker. I always have been, and I’m no better now, even after you’ve spoken to your servant! My words come slowly, my tongue moves slowly.” 11 Adonai answered him, “Who gives a person a mouth? Who makes a person dumb or deaf, keen-sighted or blind? Isn’t it I, Adonai? 12 Now, therefore, go; and I will be with your mouth and will teach you what to say.”

With use of anti-depressants, I was actually able to find God. When I was in the midst of my depression, I was unable to see clearly or think rationally about anything. Before my depression, I was a strong Christian; during it, my faith virtually disappeared. When I started taking medication for it, I was put into a mindset where I could set down and read my Bible and actually desired to get close to God. My faith was restored. Whoever says a Christian should not take anti-depressants is wrong.

"Don’t worry about anything; instead, pray about everything. Tell God what you need, and thank him for all he has done. Then you will experience God’s peace, which exceeds anything we can understand. His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus." - Philippians 4:6-7 Trust in #JesusChrist - The Word of God contains #GodsPsychiatry

@Saramatt2023

4 жыл бұрын

Dr. Charles L. Allen Indeed, that’s exactly what I believed in and have fought with severe pmdd over a year now, but it has come to a point where I have suicidal thoughts even though I’m very happy and blessed, generally a joyful person. I had no choice but to seek medical help.

@Mel-rj3tj

Жыл бұрын

Amen

Well spoken. I have an inner ear problem and I need my medication but in saying so, I rely on the WORD of GOD Even moreso! All that I can say is that I can't wait until we are all in Heaven with our ever loving Saviour, Jesus Christ, so I say Come Lord Jesus! AMEN!

i love this man, really really loved a person like this. open minded and wise

That’s what I’m talking about! Great answer, I was hoping you would take this route, it is the most logical. I’m not a Calvinist but I think this man is very wise, and often listen to him. 👍

Praise the LORD! This is why I love Dr. Piper so much. I've had bipolar disorder since I was 14 years old. I am now 40. I used Lithium for 25, but it stopped working for me in May of last year and I had a horrible psychotic/ manic episode. It has taken a year to find the right medications, but the LORD was with through out it all. And I love his comparison to the bottle of water - praise God!

This is a tough one. If the "depression" is a result of sin or situations that can be dealt with but have not been dealt with I would say no, but it may be extremely difficult to tell if this is the case or not. I guess I would urge the depressed person to constantly make sure their depression is "organic" and not due to sin or the effects thereof before taking any antidepressants. Last thing I would want to do is to take something that might dull the effect of sin in my life that needs to be fully felt and dealt with.

@benevans3811

Жыл бұрын

Well said

This is a great video and this has been one of my BIGGEST struggles. Being able to accept antidepressant medication without thinking I am not relying on the Lord enough to provide. Even now I still feel hesitant but John Pipers answer here is excellent.

I took Prozac 25 yrs ago for a year or two. I did not want medication at all but had been desperate and nonfunctioning for over a year. I was 23yrs of age. I finally relented. It saved my life. My life changed dramatically and the therapy started being effective. I have been off it for 20 yrs- but it certainly helped take my suffering from a 10 to a 3 and made hope possible again. Ty for video.

I absolutely love this take on the question. I've never thought about it this way and I came here because I am currently waiting to undergo a check for my mental health after spent 2 years depressed and a lifetime of Bipolar/ADHD symptoms. This also add to my take on cannabis. and no I do not mean in the stoner type way where you're no longer "sober minded" but rather as a medicine

Thank You John . This set me free from so much religious bondage . Suffering with ptsd the church told me stop my meds and now I have physical problems because of it high blood pressure for an example . It hurt me so bad listening . I knew God wouldn’t want me to suffer . The doctor said ptsd changes the brain that it’s no different than treating diabetes .

Yes, God ordained that I took chemo (a drug) for the cancer I have had 22 years when I was supposed to live only have 8. I thank God for his help for each of us as we find God's will. Cancer also brings depression.

Depression is a response to stimulus. If I speak of the traumatic events that rocked my family in 1977, I will be brought to tears. If I dwell on those events long enough, I begin to experience depression. If I then went to a secular psychotherapist, I would without hesitation be given some form of psychotropic medication to control my depression. I have been a pastor and counselor for 28 years. I have dealt with souls that could have been poster children for depression. In Philippians 4: 6-7 it is very clear that we are to be fearful for nothing, but in everything we are to go to God in prayer, with an attitude of gratitude. Giving thanks for what is good. When we do so, the peace of God which passes all understanding or human comprehension will guard our heart (emotions) and mind (intellect) in Christ Jesus. There is emotional and intellectual stability when we go to God with an attitude of gratitude. An attitude of gratitude will always change our perspective of circumstances! We are taught in scripture to forget the past and reach forward toward our future in Christ. We are to do so thankfully! 1Thess. 5:18 If we meditate on the positives of holy writ, we will begin to develop an attitude of gratitude. Depression has no place in a thankful mind! I do not believe in mental disorders. I deal with autistic people that are capable of applying these truths, and when they do, the result is the peace of God. I am surprised pastor John would teach such a thing. I am not only speaking from the authority of scripture, but I have been once diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic. They locked me in a ward and medicated me. I didn't know Jesus then, but I knew I didn't want that medication. Thorzine turned people into mindless slaves. I took the pills under my tongue and then put them in my drawer. I would go out and sell them the next day. I didn't know Jesus, but I didn't want to be a mindless soul. The Lord Jesus delivered me from many things. I should have died a long time ago, but by his grace we continue. If you struggle with depression, begin giving the Lord thanks. Stop meditating on the problems of life and give God thanks. I have not only experienced his life changing power, but I have seen it in the lives of those that have put these biblical principles into practice. I hope this helps someone out there. God's best to you all in Jesus. Pastor Brett

@BradfordDobson-lu6id

10 ай бұрын

Keep me in your prayers 🙏

I have depression and it's incredibly difficult to have faith since I feel no hope, its incredibly difficult to love my neighbor just as I love myself because the pain I feel it's very intense and I can't stop thinking about my own pain, doesn't matter how much I pray, how much I ask the holy Spirit, doesn't matter how much I fast I get not even an answer, I think I may not be doing enough and indeed I am not, but it's all I can do in my condition, I'm currently looking for medical treatment with medications and I recommend anyone in the same situation to do the same because miracles depend on faith and if you can't feel it its better to take medications, do it so you can do your best for God.

@BradfordDobson-lu6id

10 ай бұрын

I feel you all the way brother.. It's so hard.

May God bless John Piper, and thank you Lord with the wisdom You gave him. Really instructionnal about deep question for those who are seeking God with a pure heart.

If anything the pastors should not be preaching against something they know nothing about. For years I went to a church that spewed hate towards professionals in the psychiatric field, and animosity towards people with mental illness. Eventually I took all that on too. You think you don't, yet you do. But let that go. Then the day came when I needed one of those meds, which are also use for nerve pain, neuropathy etc., not just depression. And even though it was helping pain wise, I was in a constant state of hysteria because of the indoctrination, thinking all the while that I'm taking this pill, I'm damming myself through witchcraft. One night I went to the ER in a state of hysteria over the prescription, and the triage nurse asked me why it was so awful to be taking that drug, I was crying and replied "because God wrote me out of the book of life......(because I lost his approval through the medication) can you imagine that ? The spiritual stress caused me by taking the drug was so severe, I ended up in a psychiatric ward, which made me even more paranoid, because now I'm surrounded by 'spirits', which was another indoctrination. Funny when I look back, all the pastors I had met over the years, etc., always so dumpy, fat, out of shape etc., one even died quite young, in his 40s, because he didn't follow dr orders about diet and losing weight when he got diabetes. He was fat too. All the debauchery, yet they feel qualified to lecture on the inadequacy of professionals and other things. Gotta use wisdom and vigilance around these leaders, if something doesn't sit right with what's being preached, get away asap. Also be leery of uneducated spiritual leaders. The one pastor I knew who didn't ridicule professionals, was an educated man. The others who labeled everything as demonic, were uneducated.

@jeremiahprows2494

5 жыл бұрын

That type of indoctrination is very real and I'm sorry to hear that you went through so much pain in your quest to find healing.

Just wondering - he says temporarily, but what about people who have bipolar and need lifelong medications?

Thank you Pastor, very balanced explanation 🙏🏾💙

john piper is hilarious. "stop drinking water, God will keep your throat moist!" quit idolizing water and rely on God! lol

@KC-fb8ql

3 жыл бұрын

Max, he wasn’t endorsing not drinking and relying on God. Watch the vid...

My mental illness was born out of years of severe and relentless covert narcissistic abuse by both parents. I would’ve rather been beat then emotionally and psychologically demolished every single day. I can distinctly remember after I turned about seven my mother would use covert means to provoke me in every possible way she could just to get a reaction (anger) and then that reaction was shamed and I was punished emotionally by love being withheld, I would have to go to great lengths to get back into her good graces after she would stonewall me for weeks on end and tell me I was all these terrible things and just such a disappointment. As soon as I would get angry for being provoked I would be dismissed to my room and all that anger turned inward into self loathing and despair. I didn’t understand I was being provoked, gaslit, neglected, and manipulated. I came to believe I was the problem and I had every right to be angry and sad. This is when I started having early morning awakening to moderate depression which would lift part way through the day. Episodes would last a couple of weeks and my parents would lay low with their abuse until I bounced back and then I became that ball again that they could get bounce out of me until I went flat again. Diurnal depression with dysthymic features continued for several years and growing up in such an unstable and toxic environment my ability to self regulate was also damaged. I would find ways to elevate my mood and would experience brief periods of hypomania with rapid cycling and being on the autism spectrum myself I didn’t know how to self regulate and over those critical brain developmental years the well oiled grooves where carved into place and this is how disorders are often developed. As I reached my late teens any stressful event would send my vulnerable brain into complete and utter disarray and no matter what I did to pull myself out I couldn’t. Before I turned 22 I always managed to eventually pull out of an episode even it took weeks or months, but at age 22 the both I had was so severe I tried everything on my part to conquer it I was already a believer at this time for 4 years and going to GCC and was told I would quench the Holy Spirit if I went in medication so I delayed even further in getting intervention and became so ill I lost over 26 lbs and felt I failed as a believer and doubted whether I was even truly saved or not because if I was a true faith and Holy Spirit filled Believer I would not be experiencing what I did. I felt so alone and judged. I realized I had a choice to make to stay alive and that was to come to terms with not being true follower of Christ and take medication or not to take it and potentially have things result in a tragedy like it did for one of my dear sisters in Christ in 2000 who was also a log time member at Grace.

Praise God for blessing us with His healing... thank God for also blessing us with people who can help us and thank God for blessing us with medicine that can also help. Everyone's testimony is different. I was depressed for several years, to the point where suicide had became a real option. I tried to seek help, but I was not given the help I thought I needed (medication is what I was after to deal with the depression and suicidal thoughts) but my testimony was not meant to be that way. Instead, God healed me completely of depression. When I cried out to God as a non-Christian, He responded to me and I later responded to Him... that is what healed me of depression was finding Jesus. I appreciate everyone's story is different, and for some God will heal and for others they will require medication. I see our doctors as a blessing, never think just because we are Christians that we should not seek medical attention - we should and if our Father has different plans for us then He will make it known.

@BradfordDobson-lu6id

10 ай бұрын

Suicide is a real option for me too and has been for quite some time.. Keep me in your prayers.

It is so nice to hear someone speak common sense. Great video.

Those who deal with depression I love you I deal with episodes once a couple months it's hard but Christ is greater

Years ago, I had a sleep doctor prescribe an anti-depessant for my insomnia. Research, at least to that point in time and sleep medicine was still in research, pointed to the same hormones regulating sleep and depression. Would that same doctor still prescribe the anti-depressant? I don't know. I do know that my second doctor prescribed routine and sleep logs. It seemed to work for a little while. One could ask if my insomnia is due to lack of faith in God. I think that's a big part of it but to say that's the only reason is simplistic. So often Christians are quick to judge and declare something "sin" when the Bible is not clear or there are larger factors going on. I know that what I just said could be misconstrued to tolerate sin. I don't mean that. I am trying to say that there are gray areas and we don't know all of the facts. We are not the eternal judge, probably the main reason why Christ said "judge not lest ye be judged.' Christ was condemning a judgmental spirit that was quick to judge others while ignoring one's own sin.

Doctors & medicines are also gifts from God.

@sheiladavis6523

3 жыл бұрын

Joe Stephan thank you for a well said comment Amen January 17,2021

@louisanelson7948

10 ай бұрын

Indeed!

So, how's this any different than using pot or tobacco to helps

Excellent point Sir! Thank you. Thank you God for this anti depressant that will help me.

God bless you John Piper, I see your love and I know you have the want to do what is right ❤️ God bless you brother

Just what I needed to hear

God gave doctors knowledge and people have been helped by medication. What is the difference if a person takes insulin for diabetes or if they take an antidepressant for depression. Ask the professionals, God gives knowledge to people. Think about it.

@fiyinfoluwaaduke2025

6 жыл бұрын

mary wolfe an excellent answer!

@dustygatrell-ru7tg

Жыл бұрын

My bro is diabetic. An there's a huge diffrence. If stops his insulin his body will shut down. If someone's depressed they may be suicidal. But suicide is a choice. No matter how you feel. Big diffrence

This makes me feel so dumb. I started suffering from depression for the first time 2 years ago. And took antidepressants for 3 months, but felt so guilty I wasn’t relying on God that I quit after just 3 months. What a blessing this podcast is, that gives you answers when you need them the most.

@grayhawk983

7 ай бұрын

Why did you think taking antidepressants was a failure to rely on God? Who taught you that, and other self-destructive beliefs did you learn from them?

People say trust Christ, i do trust Christ. I love him and are born again. Drugs has destroyed my emotions and psych, i suffer from bad social anxiety, i cant be around people without without being so sick of stress. I cant work or go to School so i started on medication today so i Can be around other people, i really Think Jesus Will understand me.

@Glow_Vlogs

4 жыл бұрын

Wow.you are writing my story!! Don't worry Jesus is with you!! I am gonna go get medicine tomorrow to deal with those same things. Drugs screwed up my brain receptors, neurotransmitters and hormones and for so long I denied that and now I know because I can't be around people and my motions and everything is all screwed up from drug abuse and that's my consequence from sin but thanks you Jesus for these meds that are available and now I know that it's okay to get on one and I know that once it starts healing my brain I can finally get out and get out of my house to reach people and be there for people. I love people and love being there for them and with all the tap in my brain it's likethere's a wall between me and my gifts and I know thatGod is gonna help me and medication can bea part of that journey but God is ultimately the healer because God gave humans the ability to make those meds and I will give Him all the glory!

@Glow_Vlogs

4 жыл бұрын

How are you now??

@dustygatrell-ru7tg

Жыл бұрын

I deal with the same things. I hope your doing OK today.

@fruitofspirit Thats good. So pleased u found a new suitable med. And you're right - the Lord was with u thru' it all.

I am a Christian called by the Holy Spirit to be a Therapist. As Dr. Piper suggests, “All good gifts come from God. I had triple bypass, thank God, and I am alive because we have great surgeons, nurses, and medicines. In Clinical Depression that persists, anti depressive medications can help. When combined with good Counseling, they are more effective. No disease or mental issue is totally physical so prayer, positive, grace filled Bible study, worship, and fellowship are also important if we avoid negative friends that constantly act like Job’s friends and urge us to search for Sin. Avoid negative people who do not thank God in all circumstances and rest in His grace.

@tmckinley409 Would u be able to rewrite this? The grammar is hard to understand.

What if you take the Amino Acid: L-Tryptophan for depression, its available at almost every health store. And its naturally found in our diet like turkey and other foods.

The question is.. do those medications really work? They never worked for me but that was just me

Thank you Reverend for this answer..Depression is the most painful malady ever.....besides the suffering per se the added guilt by those around questioning your faith can leave the sufferer without the support of fellow humans or God pushing them often over the precipice..Most often it is just a physiological condition caused by depletion of serotonin,justlike hypothyroidism or diabetes...But being of the mind it is subject to spiritual interpretations ,leaving the sufferer in living hell..Antidepressants under prescription and supervision are warranted and extremely effective...in fact so effective ,in clinical depression ,that the now relieved sufferer remains ever thankful to God for having given humans the wisdom to invent it..Thank you Father..

Did he say he read William copper? ??

I know of a girl who was 19 when I was 17, and we were in the same theatregroup that studied and performed youth theater for 1 year together, and she was on some kind of medication, I think it was for depression. She asked if anyone called her name while at repetitions of plays we put together, and spoke at two times of hearing voices. I've read that that is a side effect to some medications that affects the brain and the mental wellbeing of a person. So I would say no, dont rush to medication.

Thank you, very well said

Does this apply to marijuana? My friends say it helps them with depression / anxiety. Are they lying? Why would it be different from taking an anti depressant? This is a serious question not trying to be pretentious. Doctors provide prescriptions for marijuana. My other friend has bipolar and adhd as well as my nephew. They say smoking weed helps them and they are thankful.

Who do you look to for answers? (I'm really asking you)

I tackle this subject, albeit a little broader take- on my channel from the perspective of a pastor and paramedic. If anyone is interested, I’d love to see you in the comments!

I wonder how much of a church would Mr Piper have left if he were to speak against the use of any and ALL pharmaceutical drugs? The Bible says it's pharmakipa also known as sorcery! So perhaps I'm confused here on "whichever drugs" are prohibited or are they not prohibited by God? I know this

Honestly, it’s so very refreshing to hear a prominent Christian leader not take the stance of “You don’t need pills, you just need to have more faith”, especially one that the Seminary Bros always go to.

@danielkirk1 How did the devil get into this dicussion ?

I hope this blesses some... 🙏 I was 5 years of chronic illness! I was Semi Housebound, lost my health, job, finances and my fiance left me. I couldn't even look at electronic screen for 5 minutes, or hold a 10-minute conversation. But God did an amazing work. I now have a Christian Channel where I encourage people and show them what God did in my life and that there is hope for you also. ✝️🔥😊 *Keep believing even when it's hard* 🙏❤️🔥 *All things are possible with God*

@margovallen One of the most sensible comments I've seen on this forum.

the state of ny will take away my and my boyfriend's money wich is ssi and that is way I we can get married because of the state of ny said if we do married we will loose our ssi and then we can't have kids what should I do please help

@Glow_Vlogs

4 жыл бұрын

Beg God for an answer and tell Him you want His will and to be obedient

@Glow_Vlogs

4 жыл бұрын

You can go to church and get married that way at least you would be doing that and making a covenant before God and pray about it because at least you would be doing that even if you don't do the paper law part of marriage

@MichaelKeating2001 I , my wife, members of her family, and heaps of friends and associates, even a politician i know of, has never encountered 'danger' from taking them. I have only seen/observed good results from SSRI's. In fact some have responded better to their prescribed drug better than i have. And re the side effects issue, u have to try different ones to find the ones that suit your physiology. Get with it.

what happens when if I can't get married to my boyfriend because we get ssi and if we get married we will loose our ssi money and we boughth what kids but we can't get married because of ssi what should I do I really want kids

@Glow_Vlogs

4 жыл бұрын

Ask God for an answer and tell Him you want His will and to be obedient

I'm a Christian lady I stop taking anti-depressive pills because I didn't want to start relying on pill to get addicted. I see people relying on popping pills.

I used to be an addict to breathing... after accepting Jesus in my heart my blood is oxygenated directly. Joking aside... it is so very easy for a person that doesn't struggle with palpitation, night terrors, and so many symptoms to just accuse those who who do and have found relief by using SSRI (Antidepressants) Not only they deny them the wonder of that medicine but also they make the underlying problem much worse.

Talk to God about it. The only reliable source.

so what's the difference between that and weed?

@Glow_Vlogs

4 жыл бұрын

Ask God for an answer and tell Him you want His will and to be obedient

"Scroll down. I posted 4 other messages you might have missed." Speaking about that: would you mind if we take this to PMs? It removes the 500-character limitation problem and allows us to keep better track where this conversation is going - not to mention that neither of us will end up getting flagged as spam by others. On a sidenote, I have to go away for a bit. I'll get back on later though.

At about 12 years old I started having terrible anxiety at school so I told my mom. She started giving me her Clonazepam to help and an addiction was born. I used the clonopin amongst other things, everything up until last year age 30 when I was left no choice but to completely surrender to Christ. During my years of addiction the only sobriety I had was when I was incarcerated 9 months here, 12 months there, etc. I learned that I had an anxiety disorder, bi polar also PTSD. Jesus has brought me so far since then its amazing but I feellike I'm at a stand still in my walk because my mind is so overly active. On October 16 last year I was activated prophetically and I'm afraid that if I do take an anti depressants to speed up progress in my recovery I will no longer receive revelations from the Lord.

@Rezparviz

5 жыл бұрын

Sword in His Mouth sounds Like you may need to see a Dr

@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269

2 жыл бұрын

John 3:16 New International Version 16 For God so loved(A) the world that he gave(B) his one and only Son,(C) that whoever believes(D) in him shall not perish but have eternal life.(E)

What about adhd meds?

If you don't know the person''s heart and personal relationship with God, who are you to judge them for taking pills? You don't suffer from mental illness? You better not comment and praise God because many people do. From personal experience, I've been depressed since i was a kid. Now as an adult, my spirit is WILLING to let go of meds but then my flesh counter attacks with fear because I feel vulnerable and don't wanna make people miserable around me. Then the restless question...should I go back on them, stay away, yes, no, yes, no ....what is the responsible thing to do?. So I read David's Psalms 142 and 143 and remember that he struggled a LOT. So I won't cling to my own strength but humbly and fearfully place my life in God's hands because He knit me together in my mother's womb.

Wonderful!

I don't know what to do. I am so down life has no joy in it anymore for me. I would NEVER hurt myself. But I don't want to feel this bad always....

I would pray and do research on the spirit of pharmekia (where we derive the word pharmacy) Jesus speaks about. God bless!

Depression is real. I've seen the effects on a friend of mine. She was a believer in god. As much as I told her that she would have to take her medication to feel better, she refused every time on the account of God helping her. After about 7 months, she was in a horrendous and suicidal state. It was at this point she took her medication and she's now an atheist and a firm believer in medicine and modern science. Not only that, but her depression has gone. completely. This happened a year ago. The moral of the story is: Reliance on god to help you as a remedy for medicine is not in it's self a medical alternative, it's plain stupidity.

@dustinbarrett7216

9 жыл бұрын

+HoneyBadger So, what would u say if she committed suicide? Would that have been better that taking medicine? One example NEVER justifies or certifies a conclusion. Maybe if people were taking medicine and continuously leaving the faith then we could come to ur conclusion, but that is a large conditional statement. Also (and I say this out of love and for your benefit) I would say that people do not walk away from the faith. Instead, I believe that u can't lose ur salvation. If u leave the faith u were probably never saved. 1 John 2:19 says "They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." But, I completely understand ur anger at medicine and modern science. But remember, the two ideas can coincide. There are doctors and scientists that r christian. The science is simply another way that God glorifies himself in the universe.

@_Fiinch

8 жыл бұрын

+Bodyof Christ It was not anger towards modern science. The point I was trying to convey was that you cannot rely on god for everything. As the man in the video says "Not sleeping would be a way of relying more on god as you don't need your psyche made stable by sleep at night" is just plain stupid. Saying "I will not take my medication because god will save me" is stupid. Just to point out, if you're going to tell me that one bit of real life evidence doesn't justify the means to a conclution and then have the absolute CHEEK to follow that up with one made up line from a book then I'm sorry, but I don't wish to take your comment into concideration.

@SilasRaven

8 жыл бұрын

+Jeremy Farrance You don't know Jesus from Adam.

@dustinbarrett7216

8 жыл бұрын

+McGumba My point was to say that one piece of evidence doesn't usually lead to a conclusion. I have a relative who was dying, took medicine, and lived. She says that the medicine was God's way of saving her. Just becuz one person takes medicine and loses faith doesn't mean that everyone who takes medicine will lose faith. And yes, we can rely on God for ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. The difference is that God provides us with earthly materials becuz we rely on him. . We rely on God and he will provide us healing (although sometimes healing doesn't come). A lie had crept into culture that Christianity is merely blind faith. That's the biggest lie ever. The Bible tells us to love God with not only our heart, but our mind. As Christians we are called to think and believe truth. Reliance on God is not blind faith. God created science, and he uses it for good everyday.

@_Fiinch

8 жыл бұрын

Bodyof Christ God evidently didn't provide enough earthly matter to help you spell because that was just plain painful to read. Like the good christian you are, you're avoiding the point I'm making and spluttering 'god' in the hopes it will help something. My point, and I reiterate, is that if you're depressed, you cannot rely on god to save you. Besides, what do you say to all these christians that say science and medicines are against gods wishes? surely you cannot both be correct? hmm, I think there's a few loop holes here...

Thanks

The bigger issue is that some Christians only think about medicines being wrong. Why are you judging the medication, also judging those who take them, when you should support the person taking them in their walk with Christ, and I don't mean telling the person suffering what not to do and what to do. I'm quiet often on this subject, but these unloving people make me so sick. It really does show how they only stand far away from the sufferers, while God is close to them. To those who suffer, follow God, don't listen to those who judge you because you suffer from mental illness or take medicine. There are also other venues which you can take along with medicine, like talk therapy, someone who can be on the outside who's trained to look inside and help you through the muck. Those who don't suffer, will not, and do not want to understand and love you. They'll say they do, but the first step to loving someone is to understand where the sufferer is coming from. Trust God and only be with those who want to love you. The people who judge us, really go against the Church by revealing the lack of community. There is also group therapy. On a personal note, it's these judgmental people who say they love me, but don't want to walk with me, are one of the reasons why I've almost killed myself. "If I'm not worth loving and being around, why be here?" They claim to be Christians but don't love. I no longer listen to them, but God. Counselors and the like are there because God has given them the heart to help, and some of them have even gone through the same thing you are! And they trusted God! So don't give up! Not all problems come from "demons", that's a blame game! I've seen a woman suffer needlessly at the hands of these ignorant people! Educate yourself in the Word before listening to them, please!

@brenme35

7 жыл бұрын

Daniel Whittaker people with mental disorders are worth loving this cold hearted world is hard to deal with because Christians don't strive to follow the two greatest commandments

@whittakerdanielj

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, we are worth loving. Everyone is worth loving.

@sandrarivas4360

6 жыл бұрын

He never said don't take them....it's your faith.

@closerthanabrother9703

6 жыл бұрын

Daniel Whittaker Hey brothers and sisters, could I point out something that might be of help? Let’s take a different example. Cancer. Is it smart to go get chemotherapy for cancer? Not a in a million years, and here’s why. Chemo has been proven to have a 92% failure rate. If you look into the issue of cancer you will see that it caused solely by poor nutrition, chemical agents in our modern day society, and most prominently sugar. So I’ll ask the question a different way: is it better to trust the “medical professionals” when it comes to “healing cancer” with chemo which actually destroys the immune system and wrecks the entire body buy almost poisoning it to death, or is it better to use wisdom, do your research, and find that having a healthy diet, along with zero sugar, almost no carbs, and 40 gram vitamin C injections for a fraction of the price to end up CURING your cancer? I guess my point is this: most of the ailments that we have in this day and age are based on issues that if you seek the Holy Spirit on and ask for him to reveal the answer, he will indeed do it. It takes doing your homework tho and not just blindly trusting the worldly system that BTW is almost completely a lie, including most everything that the AMA and FDA tells you. In regard to the medication taken for depression such as SSRI’s, I don’t think it’s sinful, but again, I think it’s on par with the chemo illustration I just wrote where it is only band aiding a root problem and not addressing the actual issue, which could stem from circumstances, beliefs, bad marriage relationships, low self esteem stemming from childhood, you name it. Again, I’m not at all trying to be combative but trying to be helpful. This is something that when you start investigating prayerfully, the Lord will lead you into the truth. God bless you guys

@zyklzy1

6 жыл бұрын

Happiness cannot be found in a pill. Trusting in psychiatrists and their potions is the reason why I now have begun to show signs of tardive dyskenisia after 20 years on neuroleptics, mainly Serokill. Of the 8 antidepressants I have been on, 4 made my depression worse, all but one had debilitating side effects. Google "pharmageddon" and you'll begin to see the truth behind the pharmakeia industry. Don't be a guinea pig.

He said "He will keep your throat moist". I laughed so hard. God is good.

I listen to Catholic radio every night at work. I think it's interesting to see the levels of devotion people have to this insanity... :)

I wish somebody could answer the question when it comes to Christians and weed...

@widemanoranges Good point

Brilliant!

I am far from religious, but I agree with him in terms of certain medication, 8 think unfortunately to many drs give patients medications instead of other alternatives.

Check out your diet as well. Is it giving you the nutrients and vitamins that are vital?? Magnesium helps the brain to better health but many people have deficiency.

I have been dealing with depression since I was 12 and I would always cut myself or purposely hit my head on the wall but it became worse when I was 15 and it got up to a point to where I tried to kill myself. I told my ma and she prayed for me and she told me that I slit my wrist then I would be showing bad testimony and that it was my fault for listening to worldly music but she doesn't know why I have been in depression she just assumes that it was always my fault. I have been abused and neglected for all my life and I can't deal with this pain and I pray to forget my past but people keep bringing it up and my ma keeps reminding me of my suicidal attempt that I so badly want to forget. I can't be myself I can't show what I truly feel because it is always wrong. I have to present myself as this happy girl who has no personal issues. No one listens to what I say and I don't know if I should tell my doctor or a teacher. I'm17 and this has always been a secret and I have to lie about it every time when I am filling about a form. I don't know what to do. I sit a sin to be upset or to tell someone something is not right about me? Please if anyone can pray for me because I just want to be alright for once and to not be afraid.

@debs3475

7 жыл бұрын

Abby J-Vskye I'm praying for you! No matter what anyone says, regardless of whatever you've done, Jesus loves you. His love for you is unending and will never stop! Surrender your heart to Him and watch Him heal you. I can personally testify of His unfailing love in my life! You're strong girl! keep holding on xxx

@FToniS Well said. The rich antioxidants are very helpful.

I argue with you because it's fun, tbh. I enjoy it. Plus, you've given me some great material for my collection of religious insanity.

@prairiemark Exactly. The medication is a gift from God too, and its there to correct our physical malfunctions.

Young children can sin but their sins are very minor and it means so little. God put us here, we are in a world of chaos and he will not play babysitter with all of us. A great message God sends to me is simple. The innocent lives who perish will ascend to heaven.. but those who are truly evil will suffer forever.

Shocking that some one would even ask such a question.

@prairiemark That's interesting. i didn't know about this translation.

An excellent, well balanced & reasoned answer. I think anyone would agree that, although one shouldn't run to these and other drugs in the first instance, nor should they rely on them long-term - everyone is different, biologically & psychologically. So whatever appropriate remedy available to aleviate pain, resolve 'physical' ailment and extend life that may be required - I say thank you. Unfortunately I am unable to take such remedies due to their side effects. So one finds other ways; lol