russell hartley being involved in a company that tries to trick influencers into doing porn is about as surprising as finding milk in a milk carton.

@mammoneymelon

Жыл бұрын

local misogynist continues to exploit women and fems? who woulda guessed /sarcasm

@kaijudriftz3443

Жыл бұрын

hes trynna be bootleg andrew tate lmfao

@itslikescooby-doobutahomel3295

Жыл бұрын

deadass guarantee he’s one of the guys they could do “content” with. he’s so scummy there’s no way he wouldn’t be

@Lucaz99

Жыл бұрын

@@kaijudriftz3443 to be bootleg Andrew Tate is really bottom of the barrel stuff god Damn 😂

@ari1758

Жыл бұрын

I disagree. I always expect to find Sprite in my milk carton. I don't want milk. Why did I buy milk?

Russell Hartley is the guy in every Hallmark movie who gets dumped for a country boy

@JoAndGetFat

Жыл бұрын

Country boy I love you 😛

@choosehappy9224

Жыл бұрын

This comment is too perfect!!!!

@JaseekaRawr

Жыл бұрын

I literally put my hand over my mouth 🤭 gasp, you're exactly right!! 😭

@dummybear6772

Жыл бұрын

Quick, get this to 1k likes, stat!

@claranadine1086

Жыл бұрын

Daaaang that's accurate 😂

The fact they asked Vaega to go out of the country to do "boy-on-girl stuff" is *EXTREMELY* concerning. She'd be trapped in a space with who knows how many men, not really able to leave as she doesn't live close by or wouldn't have a place set up to stay, outside of the house provided by the "company". Sounds like a front for sex trafficking.

@Global00Vintage

10 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I thought. When they said they set up events in Dubai and Bali my alarm bells went off. Those countries are absolutely a haven for sex trafficking, and then they are also asking her if she's now ok with boy/girl content. Which is what? A new way of saying would you consent to do porn with men you've never met in a country that is notorious for sex trafficking? This is just crazy disturbing.

@queenbiscuit311

9 ай бұрын

10000% sex trafficking, immediately first thing I thought the moment they brought up a house outside of the country. no non sex trafficking business is going to ask you to do that. that's ON TOP of the fact that those countries are notorious for sex trafficking. just a complete "get the fuck out of there now" alarm

@cyanuwu1864

8 ай бұрын

dude unless i had some sort of like safeguard like a friend that is a local there or smth i wouldnt even cosider it, that deal is a flag so Red you can bullfight with it

@maddieb.4282

2 ай бұрын

I mean having someone travel across country or state lines for sex work literally is trafficking, you don’t need to torture or r*pe someone or put them in a dungeon for it to be trafficking. Like that is the actual definition of trafficking

@maddieb.4282

2 ай бұрын

A literal sex trafficking operation cannot be a “front for trafficking” LOL

This is what sex trafficking in the internet age looks like. Absolutely terrifying - kudos to Vaega for speaking out about, and kudos to Kurtis for using his platform to shine a light on it

@shikitohno47

9 ай бұрын

Not sex trafficking. Keep crying liberal.

@catherinedoyle9390

7 ай бұрын

I know I’m super late to the show and no one will probably see this but I’ve been screaming into my phone screen that it is sex trafficking BY.THE.FUCKING.BOOK. And as someone whose actually been trafficked it really upsets me that there’s this whole narrative that foreigners are going into towns in bum fuck no where and big cities a like kidnapping pretty blond white girls bc aside from that being a false narrative to push xenophobia, but it’s also especially dangerous to women bc shit like that company can operate out in the open and can victimize mass amounts of women bc too many are completely unaware of the warning signs and the tactics they use.

@Nyx_Fey_

4 ай бұрын

For me personally, nothing will ever top the growing horror and nausea I felt when watching a DannyGonzalas video where when making fun of alpha bro content, he unknowingly revealed what was very clearly a human trafficking subculture

@im_an_oyster

4 ай бұрын

​@@Nyx_Fey_ wait which video is this? He's made fun of many "alphas" so I gotta know

@zaina2538

4 ай бұрын

@@im_an_oysteri think it’s danny’s “Terrifying Alpha Male Club” vid abt andrew tate

Kurtis looks like the type of guy to tell their kids "ready to rock and roll" when picking them up from school

@beanieguitarguy4070

Жыл бұрын

Here, I’ll be your first non-bot reply.

@crimjim2912

Жыл бұрын

I only see this as a compliment towards good ol Kurt tbh

@planefan082

Жыл бұрын

@Кurtis Соnner 🅥 HAHAHAHAHA ho away

@KingOfGaymes

Жыл бұрын

He also swings the keys around his finger while saying that

@spedupversion778

Жыл бұрын

@@beanieguitarguy4070 thanks, it's been real hard man😔🤞

dude the 50% of their income fucked me up but honestly, the breach of safety was a whole other level. unblocking people, giving real names, thats insane. they are literally putting peoples lives at risk oh my god.

@oats8854

Жыл бұрын

@wynn1587 so you're just all throughout this comment section defending sexual predators. I can only hope you're a pathetic attention seeker and not someone who genuinely believes this shit.

@kiralonely1307

Жыл бұрын

@Wynn Dude, that's like saying that because a business has terrible HIPPA violations, that the entire job field its in is too dangerous and no one should do it. Oh no, Elon Musk is shit at safety concerns in his Tesla factories? Guess we just stop the whole industry of making cars, oop. Stop putting sex work on a different standard than other fields of work, dude.

@kiralonely1307

Жыл бұрын

@Wynn Also, side note, the same risks are there for non-sex work? Normal female creators get stalked all the time; you do realize that? They have the same risks? So why are you singling out sex work? The chick here didn't even do sex work.

@emic2590

Жыл бұрын

@@kiralonely1307 The comment was an answer to the original one of emma wells about spicy stuff in the video so wynn wasn't singling out sex work . Just responding to it... When you put yourself online in 2022, the content doesn't matter you'll get pervs and creeps, if you spice things up you won't get refined guys looking to play cards and big romance...

@project_letters

Жыл бұрын

@@kiralonely1307 any influencer job is very dangerous in itself because crazy people can find you and doxx you. Being in the public eye means if you maje any slip ups it can ruin your life for atleast the next few years, at most your entire life. Sex work Is the same but your also selling your body to God knows who and a lot of weirdos will be sexual weirdos too. Other than that, same amount of danger

The fact that a “siren” is literally a mythical creature that is known for disguising itself as a beautiful, attractive thing so it can lure people closer to their doom is SOOOO telling of the company’s actual intentions.

@ScrubbyGames

4 ай бұрын

Yeah dude that's wild right lol

@Jordan-eu2zh

27 күн бұрын

It feels like in a horror story where the evil company has the evil company name

I immediately went “that’s literally a sex trafficking scheme” when she said they shifted to onlyfans management and they asked her to meet up with men to create content. So freaking scary. So glad vaega got out.

This is actually incredibly concerning. Vaega's experience sounds like textbook sex trafficking and was very lucky to get out so quickly. Claims that they are an influencer/modeling agency with promise of career growth & networking & travel to then drop that they are an onlyfans agency & suggest making adult content is exactly how people are trafficked. This company needs to be investigated it makes me sick.

@EmmaJohnsonShenanigans

Жыл бұрын

yeah it really needs to be investigated for sure

@rosiejl2798

Жыл бұрын

Yeah when she said they are invited to overseas locations like Dubai or Bali or Mexico these are prime trafficking locations. If you are overseas they can take your passport then you are fucked cause even if you go to the local police you could be arrested for adultry (dubai) or returned to the traffickers who bribe the cops.

@thezoo8461

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Hopefully enough people notice enough for it to get looked into. I can’t help but think of all the women who *didnt* realize it was a scam/ trap:(

@chillarypuff

Жыл бұрын

Very true, I hope people who have been signed to them see this video

@asinglefrenchfry

Жыл бұрын

Am I the only one seeing a lot of parallels to andrew t*te ?

This might have been covered in the interview but not included, but I sincerely hope Vaega and/or other victims take this to court. This sounds like a front for human trafficking.

@BLoren

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@heyitseliza1157

Жыл бұрын

I really hope it gets taken to court as well. Like the doxxing is absolutely insane and terrifying, I really hope the “agency” gets in serious trouble.

@gateauxq4604

Жыл бұрын

I hope Russell gets pantsed in court.

@elise9189

Жыл бұрын

I thought that immediately after seeing the messages

@Boostiverse

Жыл бұрын

That’s the stupidest conclusion you could have come to

Shooting porn content in Dubai. Where extramarital sex is illegal... damn that's shady.

"Modelling agencies" turning into strictly adult content after meeting with them to pressure young women into adult entertainment, a scam as old as the photograph.

When world finally started to heal, he returned.

@macrobug17

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like something a poop goblin would say…

@Moonwalker2923

Жыл бұрын

I thought you were talking about Kurtis lol

@QueeenB797

Жыл бұрын

@@Moonwalker2923 omg no i would never

@ButteredBagelStudios

Жыл бұрын

@Кurtis Соnner shorts 🅥 omg its durtis honner. He even has a super real v

@danicatsiang1399

Жыл бұрын

not the underwater horse from the 50s 💀

when vaega said they doxxed her my jaw dropped. that is insane, no agency with a drop of decency would think giving out someone's LEGAL NAME would be remotely okay. not to mention them overcharging her and unblocking people without her consent. they're putting content creators in such a dangerous position and it's wild that this hasn't gotten more attention

@Agmolly

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, that could get her killed. Stalking laws are weak as fuck.

@luckyrainbowrose

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, doing that to someone is extremely dangerous especially in this situation.

@Frizzleman

Жыл бұрын

Straight up criminal behaviour.

@NachozMan

Жыл бұрын

@@Agmolly Stalking laws are a suggestion that exists and do nothing until the person gets killed. Even restraining orders do literally nothing until it's too late.

@heckingbamboozled8097

Жыл бұрын

@@NachozMan Crazy to me how many aspects of our criminal justice system depend on the after effects of crime when things like stalking, even in incredibly obvious, detailed cases often get ignored entirely. Like damn, I'd imagine anyone interested in actual justice would jump at the opportunity to take down a criminal BEFORE they commit a crime

I am a teen. 17 yrs old. I am glad i follow creators like you. And i am assured that i am following a right person. You spread much awarness and even teach basic things like respect which apparently is not so basic in this society. Loved your way of informing us about this and doing the interviews. 😄k bye

@jipvanleyenhorst4834

Жыл бұрын

Youre awesome kid

@annacamargo3192

Жыл бұрын

I back this statement ^^^

@Random-sk6hm

Жыл бұрын

you're amazing too

@voidwalkerbruh7426

Жыл бұрын

I think your a legend

@sydneyruewho13

11 ай бұрын

As a fellow teen I agree with everything you said

Wish I could say I'm surprised that yet another dude who trashes women for doing sex work is okay with it once he finds a way to benefit from their efforts.

I’ve been an actor for years and this whole story made me so angry. I’m not even in the spicy content space but I’ve constantly had to dodge scummy “managers” and “agents.” Scammers abound. Be careful out there, folks.

@iridescentsolace

Жыл бұрын

It reminds me of back in the early 2010s when gaming KZreadrs would sign on to these companies claiming to help their brand but all they did was get a cut from their earnings and throw their name around like “look who we have under our belt!”

@david-jonballinger6638

Жыл бұрын

Same, i signed with one and then they were really dodgy so I left. Found out a month later they were still using me on their website and on Facebook. Well dodgy

@darknebula310

Жыл бұрын

@@recitationtohear How did I allow myself to get cinnamon rolled yet again.. I really wanted an answer to why my dad left bro

@sheskiwiw

Жыл бұрын

glad you knew to dodge them!!! i dont know anyone who does online content or anything but i feel like texting all my friends right now just in case ahaha

@wildfire9280

Жыл бұрын

@@iridescentsolace Damn you Machinima!

The fact they invited her to a content farming event and asked her if she was okay with "boy girl stuff" is completely absurd on it's own, but the fact that all this shit happened within two weeks?? Hell naw.

@ggoopy

Жыл бұрын

i didn’t even think abt that. two weeks is such a short time n they already asked her about that ??

@playgr0undx

Жыл бұрын

I’m also sure that at some point they’ll stop asking that question and let them go to the location before asking. Sick.

@turner15

Жыл бұрын

Wildest 14 days of this girl’s life.

@notwerkinginthishouse8634

Жыл бұрын

@@playgr0undx they deserve to be in jail

@EnderPanReigns

Жыл бұрын

i think they said "voyeur", but might have mis heard

Honestly "We're having meet-ups in Dubai/Bali/Mexico for boy/girl content" sounds like a lead for sex trafficking.

They sound like straight up predators.Thank you for making this. Hopefully, it will save someone from joining Siren. I also hope this leads to a police investigation cause this sounds like sex trafficking.

I think Russel Hartely tried his best not to assciate himself with Siren cause he didn't want people to find out he runs a super super shady managment company

@ashleabaton4279

Жыл бұрын

management agency to sex trafficking pipeline is real

@gaygengar

Жыл бұрын

you'd think he'd be more proud about running a sex trafficking business considering literally all of his other content 💀

@Shahmeer2245

Жыл бұрын

@@recitationtohear Bot

@wildfire9280

Жыл бұрын

@@gaygengar True but he runs it under the guise of “empowering women”. If anything he’d probably feel ‘shameful’ about being insufficiently sexist in branding but without that facade he’d probably be facing a lot more trouble.

@jshanksffemtp

Жыл бұрын

or quite possibly the other way around, considering that his digital footprint is pretty concerning for someone in charge of an adult content agency and can be pretty easily found with a quick online search

Ok the whole ‘we’ll take you on a paid vacation where we’ll pressure you to make pornographic content for us’ thing is unbelievably disturbing. It high key sounds like a sex trafficking scheme. So glad Vaega was able to get away from such a scummy and disgusting company. A highly important video to make, thank you.

@StarsXXXXXX

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention all the places she listed were all places outside of the US ☹️ That’s so scary

@mirandawhittaker8481

Жыл бұрын

@@StarsXXXXXX There's no way it isn't sex trafficking.

@SureJan1969

Жыл бұрын

The fact that they have NO respect for these women, their safety, or their boundaries…. Yeah…. It probably gets to the point where it’s human trafficking if you stay with them long enough

@kaywee4200

Жыл бұрын

Immediate thought!

@YouKnowMeDuh

Жыл бұрын

@@mirandawhittaker8481 That's how they can confirm that you'll get more money than you would working for yourself, because they will send you to as many people who want you. But if you want to be something like an escort, there are far safer companies to work with than this that won't ship you out of sight to work...

Considering the HUGE human-trafficking vibes the "creator meet-up" gives off, it's possible Siren tries to run their clients into debt so they can conveniently offer them the meet-up with the promise they'll forget about that debt- without giving them the details of this trip. Vaega was able to pay them off before they could've done that, but I imagine there are plenty of creators they're targetting, specifically younger women or girls, that they're scaring into a meet-up. It just seems like that's something they'd do, and I feel like is worth mentioning in case I'm (VERY unfortunately) right

He’s rebranded again (just showed up on my fyp), he’s now all “get that bag sis” and it’s hilarious to me

Russell is that one ex that won’t stop messaging you even after a month of not being together

@foxbrobroski5714

Жыл бұрын

@Chad 007 ……..this video link is every where I can’t escape it……….

@turboshazed7370

Жыл бұрын

Fuck I used to be that guy. 10-15 years ago... Glad I've grown out of that mindset. If it ain't meant to be it ain't meant to be.

@nxi8792

Жыл бұрын

It still baffles me that men are out there acting like that.

@_ASPEN_

Жыл бұрын

Lasagna

@_ASPEN_

Жыл бұрын

@Кurtis Соnner 🅥 🤢

Thank you so much Kurtis for taking the time to interview me, help me have a voice, and speak my truth. I appreciate everything that you’re doing to help others. And thank you to everyone who has commented or reached out to me, I’m very overwhelmed but also very grateful for all of you. Update: I will make my own public statement soon on my KZread and TikTok, please be patient with me. I have chronic health issues and since this video has been posted I have been trying to get past a flare-up. My health takes a lot of my time and energy but I promise I'll talk more about this topic soon. Thank you endlessly for all of your support.

@deandraacevedo6971

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your story Vaega, I hope you and everyone else unfortunately wrapped into this scam and possible sex trafficking ring is safe and well and recieve justice ASAP!!! It's so disturbing how openly they are taking advantage of these people, it makes me sick.

@kelly5913

Жыл бұрын

ur so cool for doing this!! i’m sure it’s saving other girls from falling into the same trap. so sorry all this happened to you.

@eddiejames4006

Жыл бұрын

Cheers for the interview mate, it’s great to hear people talking about really nefarious and predatory scams, since we should all be aware of this stuff! Hopefully nobody gets reeled into agencies like these. Also, great KZread name - reminds me of Alan Vega, the singer from Suicide (I’m guessing that’s the point)

@Fatima_92

Жыл бұрын

Please take this to court if you have the ability to do so 🙏

@is-6333

Жыл бұрын

thank you for sharing your story! so sorry you went through all that. wishing you nothing but happiness and success!

Russel Hartley: "Women take the easy way through life." Also Russel Hartley: "I want my life to be easy by taking advantage of women."

Fun fact: I used to work for LA weekly and those types of press release articles can be written about or by anybody, as long as you pay them about 2.5k. I would go out on a limb and suggest that Russell likely wrote this himself or had someone write it for him.

when I worked at fucking TARGET they wouldn't even let people know if you were on the schedule, let alone any personal info. poor Vaega holy SHIT I hope something good comes out of this for her. shoutout to kurtis for sharing her story & being so respectful. its fucking abysmal and i hope they get sued

@agatha004

Жыл бұрын

Yes omg, I worked in a supermarket and if a costumer asked if someone was working that evening you had to act like if you didn't know... So thinking of someone giving a legal name to a stalker in the adult content industry makes me sick

@saritavenkatapathynaidu9533

Жыл бұрын

Gentle reminder that the only pronouns given for Vaega in this video are they/them 😘

@abbiesadler4324

Жыл бұрын

My work used to have a list of people allowed in a cupboard of full names on the shop floor. With first name name tags, 2 separate men found my full name and messaged me online

@emma-dk5zf

Жыл бұрын

literally i worked for a small business and i wasn't even allowed to take a pic of the schedule. this is fucking insane

@GoodKidmAAdLizard

Жыл бұрын

@@saritavenkatapathynaidu9533vaegina

i never thought i'd hear about this man ever again

@adomestichousecat9707

Жыл бұрын

all these replies are bots 💀

@maxisgorgeous4008

Жыл бұрын

Wishful thinking

@GoodKidmAAdLizard

Жыл бұрын

thought he got lost in the Mariana Trench or overdosed on ketamine

@It-is-me...Melsie

Жыл бұрын

@@adomestichousecat9707 I used to report every one of them as spam. Now I report them as porn.

@itzystreamingplaylistsonch5471

Жыл бұрын

Forgot about him and was living life before he returned

They said _"If you have a baby, Siren Care covers it"_ because in the US it costs around $19,000 to have a baby. I'm serious, Google it.

So, it’s sex trafficking right? They set up these events in Dubai? Bali? Two countries that are notorious for sex trafficking. This is very disturbing.

@GustavRex

9 ай бұрын

Of course it is, it's a sex worker agency, it's obviously human trafficking.

I am so mad for what happened to Vega. They basically gave her a stalker. There should be legal ramfication for the company.

@AngelBirdo

Жыл бұрын

Replying to this because I'm sick of bots being the only replies to valid comments

@deandraacevedo6971

Жыл бұрын

Legally Vaega can sue. Doxxing a client's personal information regardless of the company's policy on privacy is illegal. They can get their license taken away and more.

@TheNumnutRandomness

Жыл бұрын

I was absolutely horrified when I heard that. They literally removed even the most basic safety protocols just so he could keep having "access" to her. Disgusting

The jump from “modeling agency” to “only fans” to “paid trips to go out of the country and film ‘content on location with guys’” makes the fact that they emphasized covering the cost of randomly having a baby go from nonsensical to disturbing

@xakirax_8864

Жыл бұрын

Repulsive

@Jerebees-Digital-Space

11 ай бұрын

Oh my god I never picked up on that. That is so disgusting and horrific and I hope no more women or literally anyone in general falls for this.

@crowdlycrow3632

8 ай бұрын

Disguised Sex tracfficking

@SpawnRevenge92

2 ай бұрын

OH... Fuck, you're right.

11:00 "No contracts" also mean you have no easy way to hold them to their promises.

@martinaasandersen3775

Жыл бұрын

@jhjfnfg You won the lottery!!. Just send me the processing fee of 5000.- USD and i'll send the grand price to you.

poor Vega man. nobody deserves to go through shit like this 💔

my blood is boiling listening to vaega’s story i can’t even imagine how she must have felt. it’s terrifying and infuriating all at the same time

@rachelallen4240

Жыл бұрын

@@burningrumm please don’t interact with comments like those, they are spam bots. when you engage with them and click their links, it promotes their page and makes it easier for them to spam. in the future, the best thing to do, is report these comments.

@deandraacevedo6971

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, especially since content creating is so hard to do especially as a woman or femme leaning person. Them taking advantage of these people is so gross.

I’m so concerned for younger/more vulnerable girls who get contacted by this company. It’s sounding a hell of a lot like a trafficking ring alongside the clear financial scam they’re trying to pull. I was trying to piece together what the 4 people who work 24/7 do and the guess I’m going for is that they use your account to message other girls to get them signed up to the agency, like the message from the person Vaega mentioned. Because what else would they be doing??

@songbird-wj4yj

Жыл бұрын

Oh my god that makes so much sense! If they have control of your accounts, why wouldn’t they use them to also promote themselves?

@boogityhoo7452

Жыл бұрын

They most likely also message random guys and try to get them to buy the content. No telling what they tell these strangers in order to get and secure a buy so that sone could be dangerous as well.

@valodate

Жыл бұрын

a big part of onlyfans is messaging your subscribers and trying to get them to buy extra content from you. a lot of creators send out automated messages to people but as vaega said the people from siren were doing that on her account which also led to them doxxing her to a subscriber

@Emily_Linka

Жыл бұрын

@@valodate ahhh that makes sense. I don’t really know anything about OF as I was wondering how they ended up doing that. It’s so dangerous

@quinntessent1al

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t even think of that I bet you’re right

I appreciate that you took time to talk about 🔞content creators being taken advantage of in a very respectful manner!

The amount of pick up artists/ tik tok misogynists/ pod cast bros that are turning out to be sexual predators is ridiculous but also not surprising

i like to think that kurtis laughs really hard at his own jokes while editing

@kiroswife

Жыл бұрын

Futaba

@existential_horror5045

Жыл бұрын

lotta bots in this comment section huh

@caidalee1994

Жыл бұрын

As he should

@boomitscocosucker

Жыл бұрын

@@existential_horror5045 because sadly KZread is full of em and doesn't do anything bout it lmao

@iwillleakyourhomeadress

Жыл бұрын

I would too

what have we done to deserve so much kurtis this week

@Live_Laugh_Loathe

Жыл бұрын

SO TRUE Kurtis is spoiling us

@justagalwhocomments

Жыл бұрын

truly I feel very happy rn

@justagalwhocomments

Жыл бұрын

@Deadpool. 💀

@snailkat

Жыл бұрын

honestly

@strxbrrydino

Жыл бұрын

Frr

9:36 did he just use the Death Note soundtrack as the background audio😂😂😂

the mention of those “trips” made me get chills, sounds like trafficking

I feel so bad for her and others who are in the same situation. Having stalkers must be so scary and even more scary knowing random strangers know your personal information :(

@atjenhansonify

Жыл бұрын

Scary and sadly, common.

@NachozMan

Жыл бұрын

If you go do anything online without acknowledging the fact it's INCREDIBLY easy to dox people and find their personal information, and don't accept the dangers that could put you in, especially as a woman, well you just have to be an idiot frankly.

@sammaysam8953

Жыл бұрын

I can relate to the stalker shit. I had a dude show up at my job I'd never even spoken to who went through my shit to find out where I worked and threatened to stab me through my piercing holes

@helledising8273

Жыл бұрын

Hey yeah stalkers are no joke! I've had a few and at more than one occasion some of them have obtained my phone number, one from approaching a friend of mine pretending he knew me, and another I don't even know where he found my phone number as I was a minor at that time. It's a huge invasion of privacy and at some points I've been scared to even go to work or just to the store to buy groceries. You feel constantly paranoid and like you're being watched. And hey if they found out where you lived, your name or your phone number without even talking to you, what else are they capable of?

@chatnoir9038

Жыл бұрын

@@helledising8273 I feel you. Going thru this rn.

Can we just appreciate Kurtis showing how easy it is to talk respectfully about women and people in the adult content industry? His videos are such a good vibe

@Dawnbreakerr

Жыл бұрын

It's refreshing. Anthony Padilla also has really good interviews with some folks in the spicy space and I like watching him talk to them on an equal level.

@pigeonatic

Жыл бұрын

yesss I always fear that content creators are gonna be weird or disrespectful to sex workers when they interact and am always happy to be proven wrong

@blackparademistress1

Жыл бұрын

It shouldn’t be refreshing that spicy workers are talked to like human beings and yet it is. Yes the bar is super low but I still super appreciate Kurtis is always drinking his respect women/spicy workers juice every day.

@emmabergman4054

Жыл бұрын

@@blackparademistress1 yeah it's just nice to see him showing how *easy* it is. This type of language isn't hard and yet many creators makes it seem like they have to have a "I respect peopel" disclaimer or really show people how much of an effort they are making "navigating the pc-georaphy". Kurtis just talks respectfully like it's no big deal for him to do that

@aeroaustaire2082

Жыл бұрын

its the bare minimum from men tbh it shouldnt be praised

18:03 HIS REACTION I CAN’T-

The false claims on the website and what seems to be sex trafficking should be prosecutable I swear AND GIVING AWAY PERSONAL INFO THAT COULD BE SO DANGEROUS

I cannot believe they released her legal name. Even in basic customer service jobs I've worked it was standard policy to not release any personal info unless we had explicit permission to do so. 'Cause once that info is out there, there is no way to take it back. A scam is bad enough, but that kind of behavior is outright dangerous. I really hope they get shut down.

@recitationtohear

Жыл бұрын

Here is the full Clip : when I met kurtis kzread.info/dash/bejne/n3eau8twZpaaorg.html

@justthingstbh6061

Жыл бұрын

I work as a waitress and we literally give people fake names while working cause just no

@darcie6491

Жыл бұрын

literally its one of the first things they tell you at ANY job - don't give out personal info.

@agatha004

Жыл бұрын

Even in a supermarket I worked as a cashier we weren't allowed to give any information of any peer to a costumer... So thinking of giving it to some stalker in the internet in the adult content industry is sooo fucked up.

Thank you for bringing light to this, you could be saving so many people right now. The "agency" is so scary, and it sounds like it could be the start of a sex trafficking ring.

@randydane4220

Жыл бұрын

Practically

@epic7224

Жыл бұрын

With someone like hurtling as Co owner I wouldn't surprised. He hates women so he'd prob think that's all women are good for.

@themysteriouswarlock

Жыл бұрын

Don’t click the link be straight posted, it’s spam

@brendan1871

Жыл бұрын

@Be Straight Be gay do crime instead

@MidnightAndLuna

Жыл бұрын

That’s exactly what my husband and I weee just discussing. Sounds like she was close to being trafficked.

This is just classic "pimping" in a thinly-veiled corporate package. This whole "Yea, you can be a model/actor - I know people..." and then it always leads to "adult entertainment/services" that you wont even get a profit from. They use you as an asset and money maker, establish themselves as a "necessary" managment, but only drain you. Super commen in LA aswell where everyone wants to be your "talent agent".

You reminded me of something I call the "trust me principle". Generally speaking if someone has a tendency to tell you to trust them, it's because they know you would never trust them without being informed

The thing where they said "if you have a baby, siren covers it" is referring to the fact that here in the US, it literally costs like $10,000 or more to stay in a hospital and have the nurses deliver your baby, and there is literally no insurance company that covers 100% of those costs, but apparently siren does. Definitely sounds too good to be true Edit: woah this comment blew up for no reason, thanks everyone Edit 2: must be a peanut butter adult by now

@tiachen6458

Жыл бұрын

no, it's actually peanut butter

@astrowolvez

Жыл бұрын

@@daisangenwannabe I wouldn’t be shocked either if it’s also specifically you get pregnant from the porn.

@SeymourDisapproves

Жыл бұрын

@Daisangen Wannabe they specifically say "have a baby," not "are pregnant," so I really doubt they're implying abortion there

@Hollyberrystreats

Жыл бұрын

Considering their ultimate plan for vegamoon seemed to be pimping her out, I wonder if that "We'll covered you if you have a baby" really meant "if you get pregnant working for us..."

@NachozMan

Жыл бұрын

Don't have kids don't get sick or you'll ruin your life, America in a nutshell.

call me pessimistic, but it sounds like russell hartley and his icky friends made this as a front to either traffick or take advantage of these girls in other sick ways. who's to say other female creators would've shown up to the meetup? i'd be terrified if i were in that situation that i'd show up and it would be a house full of men and then only me. this is so terrifying to think about, thank you for shining a light on this to hopefully get it destroyed

@yassu20

Жыл бұрын

Oh god the fact that you could be right about this is sickening

@chaoscrab

Жыл бұрын

And considering the amount of money they demand, I could see them running girls into huge debt and scaring them into going just to erase what they supposedly owe, without giving them the details 🤮🤮🤮

@LessPegasus

Жыл бұрын

Well, Russell said these girls were making the easy buck, so later on he just capitalised on that.

@quincy2376

Жыл бұрын

Pullin’ the ol’ Andrew Taint

@Joeysaladslover

Жыл бұрын

No I don’t think you’ll be called pessimistic, just braindead.

He and his partner from 2 years ago reached out to me and at the time I told his partner that Russell was the worst and that their company does not deliver anything they say. The two of them are really good at getting people to believe in it. I met with Chase in person, he got me drunk and tried to get me to sign the contract right there.

@striderfairchild8647

10 ай бұрын

That's absolutely terrifying. Glad you escaped that.

In case y’all didn’t realize, the whole “demeaning women who make spicy content while profiting off them” is an idea taken directly from Andrew tates playbook 🙄

as a former OF creator the thought of someone sending out my full name to one of my subscribers made my stomach drop. that shit is terrifying & it's insane that an agency FOR adult content creators would do that. i wish all the best for vaega, hope she stays safe

@saritavenkatapathynaidu9533

Жыл бұрын

Kurtis only used they/them pronouns for Vaega, it can be easy to miss! You’re so on point, tho!

@aniiahie

Жыл бұрын

@@saritavenkatapathynaidu9533 in her bio she has she/fae!

@GoodKidmAAdLizard

Жыл бұрын

@@aniiahieisn’t a fae like a mythical fairy creature

@aniiahie

Жыл бұрын

@@GoodKidmAAdLizard neopronouns

@GoodKidmAAdLizard

Жыл бұрын

@@aniiahie neopet

Hey Kurtis, I would recommend adding the company’s name to the title so this will be the first thing that shows up if future content creators search up Siren.

@rsabinioan

Жыл бұрын

@@xoxomishka ohh that’s good then

@Nerdgirl9853

Жыл бұрын

He probably put it in Tags.

@arcadeglass1342

Жыл бұрын

@@Nerdgirl9853 he didn’t

@saspitite

Жыл бұрын

I think youtube also shows videos that mention the words you search up using the transcript of said video, so i think it’ll show up?

@garlikbred6474

11 ай бұрын

I'm replying so Kurtis has a slightly better chance of seeing this comments. People gotta know this about Siren, and it'd save them tons too

The scariest part is that "content creator trip" just sounds like a human trafficking ploy

5:54 donkey kong’s head looks like jimmy neutron’s forehead.

The fact that Kurtis just did a better job marketing Vaega in 5 minutes than this company did in 2 weeks smh

@teknofreak2387

Жыл бұрын

I think she didnt deserve this, go get a real job and work like Everyone else. Onlyfans models contribute exactly nothing to Society and even make it worse, cause more lonely men are in parasocial relations with them instead of seeking love in real live. I hate this guy too, but its hard to feel sorry for these „creators“

@inkandpaintdept5612

Жыл бұрын

@@teknofreak2387 If she's making money, that makes it a real job. And like it or not, if there's an audience that enjoys the content, then it is a contribution. Tbh, if you have a problem with it being a viable career, I think it makes more sense to blame the market rather than the people who are just supplying a demand

@Mr.BusinessGhost

Жыл бұрын

Actually tho XD I was thinking as I was watching that she’s one of those people that gets prettier the more you look at her. Sucks she got pulled into that shit, glad she got out of it and Kurt boi is here to shed some light

more like russell fartley

@justagalwhocomments

Жыл бұрын

Best collent

@pianoman5259

Жыл бұрын

More like russell hardly

@kittenluver4lyfe

Жыл бұрын

kurtis must pin this

@pondju

Жыл бұрын

good comment

@hanlitwin

Жыл бұрын

nice one

I cant believe this story hasn’t made headlines yet? Thank you for covering it, Kurtis. Your videos help so many people not just with laughs.

4:28 nightmare dude

Honestly surprised Kurtis didn’t hit us with a “Russell Hartley, i HARTLEY knew her” within the first minute 😩🤧 Edit: btw I made this comment at the very beginning of the video. I didn’t know what the topic was going to be besides that weird guy.

@samirmalwasneues

Жыл бұрын

missed opportunity

@anitaaranceta780

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad he didn’t. This was quite the serious situation

@musicyak3471

Жыл бұрын

total missed opportunity. We expect better of you, Kurtis /j

@elianazuniga6541

Жыл бұрын

@@anitaaranceta780 there's still jokes in it. Lol

@anitaaranceta780

Жыл бұрын

@@elianazuniga6541 yeah, youre right. I just don't get the joke ajajaj. Sorry bout that

I cannot tell you how happy I was to get this notification. Not that Russel Hartley got worse, but that you made a sequel on the main channel :) thank you for talking about all these stinky poopy bois for our entertainment

@cheesegur

Жыл бұрын

The bots bro 💀💀

@Something125_

Жыл бұрын

@@cheesegur Frr like 💀💀

@katpisseverdeen1195

Жыл бұрын

@@cheesegur ik it’s killing me 💀💀

@arima_song

Жыл бұрын

I'm just here to remind y'all that those "making fun of bots" comments are also bots. Do not like them or reply to them, just report them. The system doesn't recognize them as bots if people interact with them.

@Overseer2579

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. These kinds of videos are a guilty pleasure of mine

"no contract" is good on paper, but if you really look at it, it's so that they're not legally obligated to actually provide any of that outrageous stuff they promised lol... no contract, no legally binding document that could be used in court of law...

why the thumbnail look like that

As a woman I still remember when he said women get access to certain things easier than men. That made me so mad, 2020 was literally the 100 year anniversary of the 19th amendment. And that was just white women, women of color were still treated less than human after that. Women have been fighting for years and years, it’s crazy to me how people like Russell can confidently share opinions online without being embarrassed

@kiralonely1307

Жыл бұрын

As a trans man, like as a dude who passes as a dude but also used to be widely seen as a chick, he's a fucking idiot, end of story. Men take me 10x more seriously as a dude than they did when they saw me as a woman, for starters. I hate the bullshit those assholes perpetuate when, as someone who's seen both sides, I can like objectively say they're fucking idiots. The difference in how people treat me is big enough that I can usually tell in just how someone treats me, whether they subconsciously still view me as a woman, or a "woman turned man" kinda thing.

@heckingbamboozled8097

Жыл бұрын

I think people often forget how close we are historically to times when women and minorities straight up had no rights. Like you said, it's only been 100 years since women have even been able to vote. I have friends who have just a few familial generations since said family were literal SLAVES for fucks sake. But yeah, many people would have you believe nowadays that we're past all that stuff when in reality, we've had slavery longer as a country than we've been without it. The same applies to women's suffrage.

@ithinkiwoulddie9196

Жыл бұрын

yea I’ve never understood the “women get it easier” bc even if they are getting it easier, who’s making it easier for them? that would be men. and the point of woc being treated like dogshit just completely disproves the “women have it easier” statement.

@v.xien.

Жыл бұрын

^^^

I feel so sorry about Vaega... But she is lucky to escape from this contract and these people. I'm happy she did, but I'm also sad that she still has to deal with this sicko that messages her to this day. Well, I'm glad that she's relatively safe now, but I hope things will get better for her. I also hope that a lot of people will see this and will talk about this, so no more girls will be dragged into this stuff. It's really nice to be informed about this. Thank you, Kurtis, for doing this!

@cloudlily8835

Жыл бұрын

holy fuck, when did youtube bots get this bad

@Styruse

Жыл бұрын

Wow

@arima_song

Жыл бұрын

@@cloudlily8835 I know, right? But I like how they thought that "making fun of bots" thing would be enough to fool everyone, lol

@arima_song

Жыл бұрын

@@Syd448 absolutely terrifying, you're right. I also had "this one guy", who wouldn't just leave me alone and it was a really scary experience, wouldn't want that for anyone at all. I hope there are some ways she can deal with him for good.

@nunpho

Жыл бұрын

@@arima_song I had the same, he used to follow me home from work at night. There are SO many creeps out there and a lot of guys don't understand why women are so cautious.

What are management companies even used for? Like I feel like the only time I hear about them is when it’s negative and they’re taking the rights to something you made or just straight up taking your money

Its giving human trafficking vibes. Im not saying they do that, im just saying they have that vibe.

@GustavRex

9 ай бұрын

Sex worker agencies in the human trafficking business? Nooo, unheard of!

This needs to be investigated in depth, it sounds exactly like a front for human trafficking. Who knows how many other girls couldn't get out on time. That's fucking terrifying.

kurtis its so awesome that you are making really genuinely inquisitive and respectful content. i love your videos because they're funny but you also do a really good job critiquing and analyzing things in a super articulate and respectful way! i don't comment a lot on things but i just rly appreciate you calling out this agency and supporting other creators while being funny and respectful the whole time

@soulgazer11

Жыл бұрын

Would not have said it better myself!

@jonnnnniej

Жыл бұрын

You put into words exactly why I like Kurtis's videos so much!

@spedupversion778

Жыл бұрын

I love the way u explain it. Really got to the point. Ur comment also got hearted by kurtis

@kristinq4

Жыл бұрын

i love it when he goes into journalism mode!!

@AwesomeFreakMadd

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I recommend Nick DiRamio for anyone who likes hilarious but really constructive critiques. They have such a sharp wit but also really clever ideas for making bad movies/content better

I still can't get over how disturbing this is. It feels like an MLM for trafficking people 🤢

8:55 free vision health insurance? Tempting... If it wasn't such an obvious s- x traff*cking scam I'd have become an e-girl just for that alone then bail as soon as my free eye surgery is done and I'm fully recovered.

I was also signed by Siren and have some absolutely WILD stories from my time with them. Sending love to anyone else who has experienced this absolute disgrace of a 'company'

@gpgp1841

Жыл бұрын

Do you feel like sharing them with Kurtis?

@bethkennysg

Жыл бұрын

@@gpgp1841 yeah, I'd be up for talking about my experience

@StarlightMoss

Жыл бұрын

You should totally reach out to him! I’d love to hear a podcast or see more videos exposing this dangerous nightmare trap company. Stay safe!!

@peard2340

10 ай бұрын

What did they do to you?! I'm sorry if I accidentally triggered horrible memories for you

@DJ_SpaceInvader

10 ай бұрын

I got attacked by a real siren in the ocean, and it still wasn’t as bad as whatever Russ is doing.

Can we get this guy's mom involved? I've love to hear what she thinks about his ideas and business ventures.

@chayden153

Жыл бұрын

Honestly!

@folkiethetea

Жыл бұрын

feel like this man hasn’t even spoken to a woman in years lol

@fungiboops6073

Жыл бұрын

What the fuck had happened to bots- every comment has at least one bot

@fungiboops6073

Жыл бұрын

But honestly yes

@hive-sys

Жыл бұрын

“MY MOTHER IS VERY PROUD” -Russell Hartley

16:43 as a fellow Oregonian, we do not accept them

siren sounds scary close to human trafficking rings

Man the "we actually care about our clients" thing reminds me of every job that's like "here at _____ we feel like our employees are a family." Always a red flag

@jjrays9913

Жыл бұрын

I've only worked at one place that felt like that, and they didn't advertise it. It was also a very small restaurant (I don't think we seated more than 80 people at a time), so it sorta made sense(we were also heavily understaffed). I still work there to this day, and I enjoy (most of- there's the occasional bitch that comes and goes) the people I work with. Most of my coworkers are adults (I'm in my mid-teens) and would immediately shut down a situation where they thought I'd be in danger, harassed, or straight-up looked down on (I'm a hostess, every customer that came in had to talk to me, especially because I was the only hostess on schedule half the time). For example, I was training as a server my first year there and I didn't know our alcohol options, since I had never served prior(we had also just gotten the selection and our ABC license, so everything was still new) and I was underage(so I technically couldn't serve it. I can't even touch it when bussing a table since I'm not 18), I never took the time to learn; there was no need for me too when I hosted. I had a table of three, a young boy, his mother, and his grandpa. The grandpa asked me what our beer options were and I immediately blanked. I tried to list off what I knew, but ended up having to tell them I would need to grab them a beer menu. As I walked away from their table I heard the mother whisper to her dad, "I think she's special," which made me feel like absolute shit. Much later, they were still there, and I told one of the other servers. She was _livid._ She went out there to talk to them about it, even though I tried to tell it was fine(I have social anxiety and stumble over my words a lot, so people saying this kind of stuff was never surprising to me, I kind of got used to it after a while). To this day I still don't know what she said, but when they left, they had tipped a good portion of their bill and were excessively nice to me whenever I went back out there.

As an adult content creator I can assure you, every single man that disrespects us, are the same ones spending the most on us and our content.

@Leannbby

Жыл бұрын

@Celeste it’s good in the sense that I get their money, but it’s never “good” to disrespect someone for the job they choose if that job isn’t hurting or effecting them in any way.

@rarediamond1011

Жыл бұрын

@@celeste1197 According to my friend that does this, the ones that give the most money can end up being the most obsessive and dangerous for your safety. More money seems great in theory, but not if a person is actively trying to locate you with ill intentions.

@NadiaSeesIt

Жыл бұрын

You know, I work at a nonprofit and don't have these issues at all. Plus I do some good for the world. There are other areas of work where you can actually contribute something to the world AND not be harassed

@sylmaerie

Жыл бұрын

@@NadiaSeesItnobody asked dude and i wouldn’t be so quick to assume you’re contributing something good 😭 you know how many nonprofits turn out to suck? at least adult creators know the full extent of what their role is in their work

@tc3800

Жыл бұрын

@@NadiaSeesIt Wow thats super condescending.

I hope she sues. That's so scary. And I hope anyone who's into onlyfans or whatever platforms will go follow her. She seems nice.

Russell… I Hartley know her

jesus it is sickening how much it sounds like a sex trafficking agency. especially the ‘creator meetup’ things. scary.

Jesus… lucky I found this video, the Siren agency approached me through a big influencer months ago, which made it seem far too good to be true… but I couldn’t help but trust a well - known model with a blue tick and almost millions of followers. You’d think she’d care about her reputation? Obviously not. I then had a call from a young guy, trying to act like my best friend, promising the world and more + even U.S healthcare… even though I’m Australian, Don’t know how that works? The website even looks so bogus. I signed on for a week and then changed all my passwords as they were not consistent with a single thing they promised.

@Ukraineaissance2014

Жыл бұрын

Americans think the rest of the world works the same as america

@honeyeggs9145

Жыл бұрын

who was the influencer???

@placeholderdoe

Жыл бұрын

Glad you dodged a bullet

@lol-lb5pm

Жыл бұрын

the us healthcare bit is so funny

@casserpillar6311

Жыл бұрын

Expose them, who was the influencer?

I feel like you're about to uncover a sex trafficking ring, like that sounds so dangerous to fly out with people...

Hartley really saw Andrew Tate and said “damn sex trafficking looks cool asl” like wtf

This is actually just a company version of how pimping works. They start off by making you think you’re dating. Then you get pressured into working the streets, then you get the reveal that he doesn’t love you and only tricked you into working for him. The company is doing the same thing. It’s especially predatory considering she thought it was modeling, and that these “trips” are in countries that have a harder time with grape cases. Because that’s exactly what would happen on these trips. I’m so so so glad she got out and was only with them for two weeks bc they were prepping her to be trafficked. That’s how this industry works.

@heckingbamboozled8097

Жыл бұрын

They're also countries that tend to do things like restrict travel and revoke passports of people accused of certain crimes. Lots of ways for this scumbag company to get women into sex trafficking by offering them no other way out.

That is so scary that the agency doxed that creator, I hope Vaega stays safe 😢

@skullchimes

Жыл бұрын

@@recitationtohear you're as sus as the bot so you also must be a bot ong get a hobby

@fabra1122

Жыл бұрын

​@@skullchimes dont engage with bots

@Agmolly

Жыл бұрын

Revealing Vaega's name could literally get them killed.

@parrot998

Жыл бұрын

@@fabra1122 Report bots for spams.

he says women who do only fans have life on easy mode yet theres usually something forcing them into it, including financial struggles or else

The fact that 2 years ago we all got upset about this guy but now there’s a whole community of men like this. Lowkey scary. I’m kinda worried that these guys are just getting more in number.

I am PRAYING that this video tanks Siren's reputation. This is genuinely dangerous and needs to be addressed.

The cut back between their promises and the reality is so impactful and shows what they are

It’s crazy so much business happens over Instagram DMs and by using slang and shit. Like where the HR policy 😭

help the thumbnail

They’re literally pimping these creators out. Insane

@SunniDae333

Жыл бұрын

I said the exact same thing

@everything5066

Жыл бұрын

why do they ever agree to being pimped ?they can just open an only fans

@ghoultooth

Жыл бұрын

@@everything5066 Because running content, funds etc. when you have quite a large following can be hard on your own.

@WynnWynn-gl3fk

7 ай бұрын

@@everything5066they pImp themselves which is as bad

I work at a museum where I occasionally need to handle personal data. Not very often, but it happens. When I started my job, I had to sign a mountain of data security legal instructions. I literally spent an entire work day just reading and signing them. The whole stack of them would put any Stephen King novel to shame. Misusing someone's personal information is such a serious offence that I not only _would_ absolutely get fired, it could land me in jail for three to five years. That Siren just doxed their customer like it was nothing, with zero repercussions, is absolutely insane to me.

@kanexoxo

Жыл бұрын

do you think they could go to court for that?

@swagromancer

Жыл бұрын

@@kanexoxo Probably. While I'm not exactly sure on how US law treats something like this, I'd be surprised if there was no protection at all. Siren clearly violated the trust of their customer, potentially putting their life in danger. The fact that Vaega still gets messages by this stalker person months after the fact should help to build a case.

@whateverlolawants

Жыл бұрын

@@swagromancer Even if US laws don't forbid this, I suspect European Union GDPR (General Data Privacy Regulation) rules would forbid what Siren does.

@swagromancer

Жыл бұрын

@@whateverlolawants They absolutely do. European courts would chew them up and spit them out for this.

that peanut butter baby joke got a HARTLEY laugh out of me

"He does weird sad motivational speaches in empty conference hotel rooms" ahaha lol that is the best way to summarize his vibe.