I really appreciate having CCs on these videos. Just wanted to say thanks.

@PlayingWithPowerMTG

Жыл бұрын

Our pleasure!

@zachhannah8927

Жыл бұрын

I second that. This is how content creators show compassion for their audience, and I'm really thankful.

@TCG9777

Жыл бұрын

CC's??

@zachhannah8927

Жыл бұрын

@@TCG9777 Closed Captions

Hey, this is Charles from the video. As you might know by what I typically play, I don't usually run Thassa's Oracle or Demonic Consultation in my decks. Do I like Thoracle/Consult in my cEDH games? Why actually--you might be surprised--yes, I do. The joy of playing competitively doesn't come from *what* I or anyone else is playing, but by *how* it is being played. I occasionally pop in here to write about the thought process behind the plays, not the cards. While the "ending" might feel "bland" for some of you, I think there's still a lot of exciting things to think about and observe--like the multiple Force of Will battles in Game 1 (and Don's decision to use tutor to preemptively find interaction instead of a win con), and my inability to draw anything relevant outside of Sanctifier even with all the Esper Sentinel triggers not being paid; or Ashani's Ad Naus to find interaction and a win later that game; or how impactful the Wheel of Fortune was in giving Drake the winning hand, and how I deliberately fed Don cards to his Rhystic Study so he could find something. There's a lot to say about what could have been countered, why it was countered, and when to have countered it--for example, in game 2, Don could have countered the Cabal Rit with his Spell Pierce instead of the Ad Naus from Drake and potentially stop a quick game-ending turn. Would that have been the right play given what he knew of the board state and number of cards in hand? These are questions that always interest me. These are the thoughts that go into what makes cEDH "competitive." I understand, however, that in "EDH," a lot of how it is touted, presented, and expressed is through the "spicy" brews. People want to see powerful, old, and expensive Magic cards get played on this channel. I implore you all to understand, however, that is only one part of the cEDH equation. The existence of the most eminent threats like Thoracle, Dockside, and Ad Naus creates and builds upon the games you've all seen this past year. Why attack the player who is running Black in their deck? Why play Torpor Orb? Why run Null Rod? Next spicy tech you'll see might be someone playing Titania's Song (if you don't know what that is, look it up--hint: it's not a White card, but I bet you'll think it's a spicy Stax piece). But *why* even consider Titania's Song? The point of all this is because cards like Thoracle, Dockside, and Naus create that meta and present players problems from which an opportunity arises for them to find interesting and innovative answers. It would *not* be cEDH if we weren't thinking about the hyper-lethal A+Bs like Thoracle, so why be surprised when someone shows up at the table with it? These are my two cents. Drake and Ashani piloted well. Give props to them. I'm happy to see Drake get a W. It's probably not released yet, but we've got another spicy video of Drake Epic Demonic Consult. I like this video, I hope you guys too.

@DrakeSasser

Жыл бұрын

The Demonic Consult™ I believe is saved for episode 200. Should be a sweet one! Appreciate you chiming in here always an immense pleasure jamming with ya ❤

@MmmmmBacon

Жыл бұрын

I believe there is a difference between playing cEDH and watching cEDH. When playing cEDH, I don't care what finishers anybody runs. However, when watching cEDH as content, it feels disheartening to see Thoracle after Thoracle finish. Even if logically speaking the journey, thus the whole rest of the game, is different, the emotional part of my brain will instinctively brush it off as "just another boring Thoracle finish."

@ChristopherZAR

Жыл бұрын

What a great comment! Really nice to read your perspective and it resonates with me a lot

@robertgu8551

Жыл бұрын

@Charles, it's not really that you don't play oracle/consult or breach or dockside, etc. There's plenty of other interesting cedh wincons with kinnan, zirda, malcolm/glinthorn, anje etc. The fact that you basically only play mono-white (or sometimes boros) is kinda boring because it's all stax and combat beats. By all means play spicy brews, preferablely in other colors. Even mono white can be interesting with teshar or oswald.

9:37 Wheel of Fortune - pass. This has got to be the best way to lose a CEDH game.

@mrmrmeta3698

Жыл бұрын

Watched that happen once in a pod, as you can guess the next player won

@nicougin9393

Жыл бұрын

thats really ........I have nothing else to say.......

Don should have continued the chain of vapor and bounced temp lock down, giving the other 2 players resources back, with a chance to stop the Ad Naus.

I just wanted to say thank you for all the great content and good vibes! Thank you for being such great representatives of my favorite format! Can’t wait for the next video!❤

Drake get your exile pile outta my face jeeeeez

@DrakeSasser

Жыл бұрын

Maintaining an accurate and clear board is fundamental 😤

The explanations of who goes first gets more and more ridiculous everytime and i love it! I honestly just watch this channel to find out who went first and how

3 partner commanders with crazy value, then Charles is just running Mono White Ao LMAO

@fosterdawson7339

Жыл бұрын

yeah he kept some slower hands which is a little rough in this pod 😅 The temporary lockdown play was cool tho

Oh boy I can't wait for these comments..

@faustobondt6231

Жыл бұрын

Same

@DUxMORTEM

Жыл бұрын

I mean it's thoracle and ad nas decks. Not exactly the most skill or ingenuity required here.

@donaldbrorson4583

Жыл бұрын

@@DUxMORTEM yea not much ingenuity, but skill? I think there was skillfull play on all sides

@DUxMORTEM

Жыл бұрын

@@donaldbrorson4583 I disagree. Thoracle and consultation is the easiest win con to pull off outside winota just smothering the board with creatures.

@j.w.213

Жыл бұрын

@@DUxMORTEM I doubt you could have brewed a deck with this combo or even learned how to play it without the thousands of showcases xD

Two Thoracle wins, showcasing how extremely powerful and consistent that win condition is. The gameplay was super enjoyable this video, and I was pleasantly surprised at getting two games this video!

@DrakeSasser

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't be competitive EDH if we weren't playing the best stuff! Glad you enjoyed it!

@PhoenixRNH

Жыл бұрын

Black tutors and ad nauseam showing how powerful they are you mean. TO may have the win the game effect but it does nothing else

@theguardian9629

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this now I dont have to watch the video :) Oracles boring. I pretty much stopped playing cedh cause of it. I got sick of it even though I played it in my control deck

@Coren999

Жыл бұрын

The actual pool of cEDH cards doesn’t surpass 150 give or take some t2 decks with out of the bix win cons. So yeah the most efficient way to win is probably Oracle for a long time

@B1gBingus

Жыл бұрын

@@Coren999 this is straight up wrong considering how many decks are viable in the format. Godo, Selvala, Tymna/Kraum, and Tivit will all have highly different cards, and certainly there will be more than 150 individual cards among those lists.

I am very happy to see pods without meme decks.

@alexrice3180

Жыл бұрын

Hard agree

10:49 Where can i find those "black mana" tokens? Everything ive found is a standard token size.

Great games! Love seing TnK performing

@CptMoralSupport

Жыл бұрын

BlueFarm is one of the best decks out there

@migueschindler

Жыл бұрын

@@CptMoralSupport proud Blue Farm player here!

What an absolutely cracked Ad Naus in game 1. that pile of cards was so ludicrous, I think Shawn could have won twice.

Great games ✌🏼

Thanks for the games. Are the old frame cards from the silas-rograkh- deck : alter sleeves, proxies or altered cards ? love them. Cheers

@PlayingWithPowerMTG

Жыл бұрын

Proxies

After dockside resolves and the trigger is on the stack, is it too greedy to activate wishclaw in response to make 1 additional treasure? I can see the risk running into a stifle effect and then not getting the right card but the chance of that seems very low and with Necro as a target I want even more mana for all these cards so +1 treasure is nice. Thoughts?

@alexrice3180

Жыл бұрын

Would have been marginally better :)

Жыл бұрын

wishclaw is sorcery speed

@allhailbolas

Жыл бұрын

@ it is not.

@Simonk_6

Жыл бұрын

@it’s not, it’s only on your turn

@nebDDa

Жыл бұрын

Going down 1 mana to activate wishclaw so that you get 1 extra mana from dockside, netting the same amount of mana?

Well piloted games

Awesome games!

Ad Nauseum seems like a decent card, huh?

Great games!

I see Ilvaldi I click.

@bloodblade487

Жыл бұрын

Who or what is Ilvaldi

@bashrag

Жыл бұрын

@@bloodblade487 Charles' name on Moxfield is Ilvaldi.

@bloodblade487

Жыл бұрын

@@bashrag thank you!

@commandcovemtg

Жыл бұрын

Accurate

@VictorianoOchoa

Жыл бұрын

Same. Such a fresh take on edh

Oh wait a sponsor that I’d actually consider using??

Two things: 1. Why not misstep the Dark Ritual in Game one? 2. Deck Thumbnails are wrong in game 2

@perrypossum

Жыл бұрын

Thought about this too, the probable answer is that you can only cast FON for free on your opponent's turn so it'd be better to save misstep for your own turn (missteping another misstep targeting your consultation for example) if needed

@fosterdawson7339

Жыл бұрын

when were the thumbnails wrong? or am i missing something...?

@HansHurin

Жыл бұрын

@@fosterdawson7339 during game two behind the lifepoints it shows Ao in the bottom left corner, while the person playing is Don with Tymna/Thrasios.

For anyone upset about thoracle wins, maybe watching some casual edh would float your boat more? Mtg muddstah and smoothbrain edh both use interesting decks all the time that will surely be unique for you

Love the content as usual, but what kind of psychopath puts their graveyard sideways at the front of their playmat? :P

@fosterdawson7339

Жыл бұрын

my guess is it's to show what's in his graveyard since that can definitely be relevant info, especially with cards like Underworld Breach being a prevalent wincon in the format

@thanhavictus

Жыл бұрын

The same ones that put their lands above other things

No Ao combos :(

So close to #200

@fosterdawson7339

Жыл бұрын

woah nice last name B)

Big fan of winning with Thassa's Oracle and an even bigger fan of Drake winning with RogSi!

@DrakeSasser

Жыл бұрын

❤❤❤

aw shi…. here we go again

That's quite a keep from the Ao deck given that he's last in turn order. I'm not sure I'd make the same decision, but having watched more of the game maybe I just overestimate how often people pay for it.

@Ilvaldi

Жыл бұрын

I normally don’t keep a hand like that, but having played against Drake and Ashani enough times, I knew they would feed Sentinel. I just unfortunately didn’t draw into anything productive before the Ad Naus started coming out.

@WhiteWizard42

Жыл бұрын

@@Ilvaldi There's no substitute for experience, thanks for explaining your reasoning. And sorry the Naus got you today.

@Ilvaldi

Жыл бұрын

@@WhiteWizard42 You'd be surprise how often it does. As often as I win, I also lose. I think people who play cEDH need to realize they will lose more often than they win compared to their 1v1 games due to the variance of the format.

@WhiteWizard42

Жыл бұрын

@@Ilvaldi yeah, it's easy for people to feel down when they lose a majority of their games, but in a 4-player format the base rate should be 25% wins. It's hard for some people to align their emotional reaction to that, when "feels like 50/50" is probably a 60% win rate.

Thorcale wins are fine. There's always some time of interaction thrown around prior to that going off anyways. What isn't fine is Charles continuing to bring mono white with the lowest amount of interaction. In both games, he got none of his normal stax pieces to slow the game to his speed and it came back to bite him both times.

@dumbthingssaid

Жыл бұрын

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@kennytan93

Жыл бұрын

hmm think he could have mulligan'd. seeing your opponents being 2 T1 decks with high likelihood of t2-AdNaus wins, might have wanted to mull for a t1 stax. that first hand of 5 lands and 1 esper sentinel (i dont consider farmhand a real card) was kinda suspect.

when you see mystic remora and you know someone is playing a combo deck ,the best way is play land and pass,dont do anything,and they cant keep mystic remora more than two turns.

It just really grinds my gears that Thoracle can’t be interacted with after cast. It really narrows the effective counter play to it. And the fact that it cuts down an extra card from LabMan needing some way to draw to win with Consult or Pact. Just kind of a stinky card.

@fosterdawson7339

Жыл бұрын

this is why I run stifle in my krark sakashima list, saved my ass on more than one occasion

@kennytan93

Жыл бұрын

Stifle effects exist. Cedh just considers stifle effects too inefficient and narrow to play. Play to win, not play to not lose, and stifles don't help you win, they just help you not lose once.

@juice17776

Жыл бұрын

Also, the main problem I have with it is that non-blue players can’t counter it, so they have almost no way to interact with it. Stifle effects being blue just adds to the fact that non-blue players can’t even do that to stop it.

@horstkalesen

Жыл бұрын

@@juice17776 Our playgroup thought the same for a long time but after getting more hands-on experience we noticed: Nearly every colour has potent ways to deal with oracle. Redblasts are thing in obv red, so are RoL effects in white or Endurance-type effects in green. Yes blue still has the most options to interact with oracle but to me its always part of the challenge to tech your decks to your local meta. I see the problem more at the speed of which oracle is executable, expecially with AdNaus. FastMana is a bitch. Anyhow, interaction should still be cheaper than fast mana so at least when people come to a pod with good fastmana these players also have the good (free) interaction. We actually saw that in these games with FoW and FoN doing some good work.

Underword breach,Lion eye diamond , Ad Nauseam,demonic consultaion, thassa oracle So classic combo for every clip of these chanel

I mean that was legit but I'm so burnt out on seeing thoracle doing the thing ! Lol

Big fan of these videos and watching the decks go at it, but tbh I don't think you need to do the "announcer voice" so hard mr. narrator. Ending every sentence with the downward inflection isn't always necessary 🙂

I will never understand people who watch cEDH and get angry a out Thassa's Oracle. Lmao It's cEDH! It's about playing the best cards, playing the best combos and playing to win... If you don't like that (which is completely legitimate) just find any of the other tens of channels out there that produce EDH gameplay

@k-dawg2104

Жыл бұрын

Tens of channels lmao

Everyone's complaining about Thoracle, but it's been a while since we've seen one that just wins out of nowhere. It's a little more powerful than other options, but at least it resolves quickly so we get two games. When it comes to Ad Naus, I don't see the difference between LED/Bomberman or Brain Freeze/Breach combos. Anything after resolving Naus is practically flavor text. With that being said, Naus is still fun to watch. It's not unbeatable. It gets hit by practically every counterspell run in cEDH, even Dispel, and often requires additional setup cards like Dark Ritual, meaning having cards to turbo it out in addition to protection is hard.

Shawn's play layout is offensive

Thoracle wins are bo...wait this is cedh lol. Great wins to both players and people who say thoracle is boring doesn't play much cedh I don't think. Great piloting! Cedh rules!

Thanks for the gameplay. Great commentary and piloting. I too am tired of Thasa's Oracle combo. I'm so ready for something new.

Why kill Charles when you could just win faster?

If you want a good tongue twister, say “Charles draws” fast 10 times.

@fosterdawson7339

Жыл бұрын

wow that is weird XD

I don’t know, but this toracle deal is getting a bit old for me. 😢

Baneen luego ese jurel wn...

No, its name is UwU. Any other name is wrong.

a breach or thoracle win, a breach or thoracle win a breach or thoracle win. It just loops in my brain these days.

Why are people crying about Thassa's oracle in the comments of a cEDH video? Totally fine if you dislike the win con but this is cEDH you have no place to complain here. Go watch a more casual channel if that's your thing.

I really am sick of thoracle combos it's so boring.

@izakvisser5610

Жыл бұрын

Then stop watching cedh?

@thatorzhovplayer6964

Жыл бұрын

Git gud

@raalo7136

Жыл бұрын

Why watch cedh then? I have seen it a billion times it never gets old. Well that’s because I love CEDH

@heath1948

Жыл бұрын

I don’t recognize thoracle wins . That particular way of winning wasn’t around when I first started playing usually when someone had in the library, they lost, and if someone to do it against me, I would be very angry and be tempted to flip a table.

@donaldbrorson4583

Жыл бұрын

I know what you mean but I don’t know how it could be balanced without simply banning oracle which seems over zealous

Thassa's BORE-acle 🥱

@alexrice3180

Жыл бұрын

Wrong format for you then...

@nebDDa

Жыл бұрын

Why are you watching a cEDH video if you don’t like it when people win the game efficiently

@thanhavictus

Жыл бұрын

@@nebDDa because it's wasted potential on more diverse win conditions and more interesting games. There'd be a ton of different decks if it weren't for thoracle And everyone knows that

@plannedtuna8293

Жыл бұрын

@Thantacles I mean……wouldn’t people just Ad Naus / Necropotence into some other combo? I get that thoracle is strong but I feel like it’s super overblown when it’s largely stuff like Ad Naus/Necro/Breach allowing for these crazy lines in the first place.

Can you guys ban thoracle and breach from your games for a bit so we can actually get some more interesting gameplay?

@DrakeSasser

Жыл бұрын

If the only part of the games you find interesting is the very end you may not like cEDH as much as you think you do 😉

@migueschindler

Жыл бұрын

cEDH is about doing what it takes to win, no point in watering it down. Some of us (I hope most) come here to see a showcase of the best decks and strategies

@FaceRipperReal

Жыл бұрын

@@DrakeSasser Over half of the game plays out the same, cast ad naus, get thoracle combo or play breach, win game, you sound like the type of cedh player every complains about, trying to tell people what they do and don't like lmao

@FaceRipperReal

Жыл бұрын

@@migueschindler Yeah but it ends up being the same video over and over again most of the time

@j.w.213

Жыл бұрын

​@@FaceRipperReal not everyone complains, stop talking for others! plenty of channels that only play high power or even bann thoracle for a showcase. go there if you can't stand the win-cons of cEDH!

Man Naus decks are so boring to watch sometimes lol

Old school EDH player here... I am a deck builder and really enjoy the process... I guess I sudo get why cEDH is "fun", but to me it's 99% the same cards/win cons/net decks (with a few cards swapped)... I mean how much fun is someone playing a game winning card on turn 4. Or wait for it... wait..... He gets stopped with a..... counter spell.... Yawn... At our table we ban all cards that say lose or win the game, makes the game so much more interesting...

I really cant stand thorracle. I don’t respect it and never will.

@alexrice3180

Жыл бұрын

Man i cant stand when people complain about the best combo in cedh winning cedh games. I dont respect it and never will

@dumbthingssaid

Жыл бұрын

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Thassa's Oracle is the worst card in this format. Such an un-creative deck building win condition at this point. Anyone who plays it should be ashamed of themselves.

@finlayfisken9817

Жыл бұрын

Competitive EDH players should be ashamed of playing the most competitive, efficient win condition? What are joke. People playing competitively aren't going to be "more creative", because that means not playing the best they can.

What's up with the sudden trend in putting lolnouns on the overlay?