What I want to know is, why is Hearts on Fire not as well known as Eye of the Tiger??? I call shenanigans.

@gabrielmauller8137

10 ай бұрын

Eye of the tiger was the only song on the third one. The 4th is the greatest soundtrack of all time.

@galpeleg143

10 ай бұрын

i think because Rocky 3 was bit more popular and eye probably more liked . Heart wasnt judged by its own but by comparison . same reason IMO the 1st movie song also not as knowen as hearts btw ou the best around (Karate Kid song) was initially destined for Rocky but at the last moment they gone with another song , dont rem if it was for 1 or 2

@mcgilj1

10 ай бұрын

Well no offense. Burning Heart is a better song and so is There's No Easy Way Out.. (Burning Heart actually makes it into a training montage on Cobra Kai. Lol). Like was pointed out.. This is an amazing soundtrack..

@galpeleg143

10 ай бұрын

@@mcgilj1 non taken :) taste is VERY personal thing , i be the last to say this song is better :) all anyone can say is this song is better for ME :) and in regard to my taste BOTH are great song , but i think i like tiger a bit more , but it close :)

@ronnierocha42

10 ай бұрын

Shenanigans? Is that the restaurant with the "mozzarella sticks and the goofy sh*t on the walls"? See if you get that reference! Lol

Apollo was his family too. Rocky knew he wouldn't get caught off guard this time. He had to finish the fight for Apollo, no matter what.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

True 😢

Stallone said that his biggest regret from this movie was having Apollo be killed. If he could do it over again, he would've had him disabled in some way by the fight and that would've allowed for a really interesting direction for the character of Apollo.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

When it got bad I kind of thought that’s how it would go 😮

@Kenny-ep2nf

10 ай бұрын

like severely disabled?

@stonecoldku4161

10 ай бұрын

@@Kenny-ep2nf Like confined to a wheelchair or something like that.

@simonbelmont65

10 ай бұрын

Putting Apollo in a wheelchair really isn’t that much better than killing him off. Apollo was full of pride and ego. The fight between Apollo and Drago shouldn’t have happened the way it did.

@stonecoldku4161

10 ай бұрын

@@simonbelmont65 I think that's what Stallone meant by "interesting direction for the character." A prideful warrior now having to accept and face the fact that his ego and pride cost him. Now he has to accept that his life is changed forever, but also has this new battle to fight.

I love when “Hearts on Fire” was playing and Rocky tears down the Drago picture. I’m like “Let’s go!!”

@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812

5 ай бұрын

Here's a fun game... Find the scene where they play "No Easy Way Out" & put it on mute then play "Danger Zone" by Kenny Logging instead. It actually works. 😁

Even when Apollo was the opponent I liked Duke (Apollo’s trainer). He was the one person on Apollo’s team who showed Rocky respect and took his abilities seriously from the beginning.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Yes! I noticed that too! When everyone’s talking business and making deals, he’s watching Rocky on tv, and you can see him studying

Here is something,the fight scene at the end was filmed in Vancouver British Columbia Canada when I was a kid,and they wanted extras to be in the crowd all you had to do is show up and cheer. They gave us food and drink no pay. Only ones that got paid were the extras with close ups like ones in Russian uniforms. It was so fun

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

That is awesome!

@thegladve

10 ай бұрын

honestly it sounds fun, though I'm not going to lie, it kind of irks me a bit that the producers didn't offer a symbolic payment with the food and drinks.

To be fair.. Paulie was saying everything Americans wanted to say to Russians at the time. That the speech Rocky gives at the end?? Just chills.. He wasn't wanting to fight. He saw that as people we had more in common than we had different.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

A really important message, honestly, especially for the times. He’s talking to all of us in the end.

@thegladve

10 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill 23:37, I don't know who do be sorry for more?, the man or the woman.

@thegladve

10 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill honestly the message still holds even for today, slight adjustments needed though.

@mcgilj1

10 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill which is hilarious.. This was released the same year as Rambo II..2 amazing films . But in that one the Russians were the baddies.. We had quite a few of those in the 80s.. Another underrated comedy "The Experts" with John Travolta is about Russians trying to infiltrate America.

There's a great video on KZread looking back at how Rocky ended the cold war with this match. When Duke is yelling at Rocky saying that Drago's not a machine but a man, Drago's saying pretty much the opposite to his corner team: "He's not human. He's like iron." When his trainer/handler goes down to berate him and yells at him to win, Drago picks him up and throws him aside saying "I fight to win! For me! For me!!".

@MGower4465

10 ай бұрын

No, that was a Politburo flunky that goes, or more accurately, is sent down to scream at Drago. He first berates Drago's trainer. This is why Drago's wife looks distraught, she knows by putting hands on a Politburo member Drago just fell off the favorite son list of The Party so fast he made a sonic boom on the way down.

Another motivation that isnt talked about is USA vs USSR--like the hockey team beating them. We were still in the cold war big time. Nuclear threat every day. Motivation for the country to feel #1 is there.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Makes sense! I don’t really have any memory of those times so I have to go by what I’ve been told. Thanks for commenting!

@orangeandblackattack

8 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill You could have been a classmate of mine in the early 80's. I know it would have been a great time hanging out. Unlike the Breakfast Club, which was accurate (I went to school 40 miles from Chicago), I had friends in every stereotyped group. I learned manipulation techniques that worked in the busoness world. I no longer use them, but I did break a lotta rules and hated authority...actually I still do lol. But I respect their jobs especially the military friends I have. They did what I could not have done. LOVE UR REACTIONS! Honesty is key for me in reactions, and you are at the top.

What Drago said, after Nikoli pushed him in the head, was "I fight to win! For me!" Then he turns to the panel of politicians, and yells again, "For me!"

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I think the montage was meant to be remember everything he has been through and achieved, since he is going to fight and maybe be killed, it's like seeing your life before death.

28:01 - "I wish I knew what he was saying." I seem to recall there being subtitles because what he says seems relevant. Something to the effect of, "I'm fighting for me not the USSR" after he was scolded for making them look bad. Was also surprised you had no comment when he said something like, "He's not human, he's like a piece of iron" about Rocky.

@mcgilj1

10 ай бұрын

Not super relevant that you can't pick up without context.. But basically the bad guy is pissed they are cheering for Rocky.. And he says "I fight for me.. FOR ME". ALWAYS drove me insane the original DVD had no subtitles for Drago until they released the Blu Ray.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Drago’s lines during the fight were all Russian on my copy so I didn’t know he said that 😂 That’s a hell of a line, I wish they’d subbed it!

Whatever you do, do not listen to anyone who says that any of the Rocky films are crap. Sure, some of them might be better than others, and everyone has their own preferences, but all of the Rocky films are awesome, and worth watching. Some people might tell you that Rocky 5 sucks, but it doesn't, and you should check it out if you want to finish off the series. Rocky 5 is really good, and Rocky 6 from 2006 is one of the best. Every Rocky film adds a critical part to the overarching narrative of a fighters life in andd out of the ring. Rocky 5, and Rocky 6 are cool because they change up the dynamic of the story. Instead of Rocky fighting another unstoppable opponent, it's more about his decline after boxing, and being able to find himself as far as his identity without being a part of the sport he loves as a fighter. The opponent in Rocky 5, and 6 is Rocky fighting against the hardships of life. The next two films kind of show what Apollo was talking about with how fighters have a warrior spirit that cannot be turned on and off like a switch to the point where fighting gives them meaning in their lives, but the spotlight, and the money doesn't last forever. A lot of fighters can go through rough times after their fighting career is finished, plus they can have dabilitating health issues that result from a fighting career. The Rocky films show the full progression of a fighters life, especially back in the 70's, and 80's. It's also such a great love story.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I’m going in to every one open minded, but if they keep the heart and the characters I think I’ll never be disappointed 😊

@B-a-t-m-a-n

10 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill You have nothing to worry about. Remember, this isn't about boxing, it's about Rocky and Adrian.

This movie, which I saw in theaters, brought me into the franchise, and it remains my favorite. Nothing ever inspired me to feel strong, and like I could do anything as much as this movie. Being kind of a Nation against Nation story also elevates it. The quality of this movie is just as good as any of the franchise, actually better, and I wouldn't change a thing. There is just something about eightys movies. This is rocky at his peak, and it deserves nothing less than buying it on DVD and enjoying it, which I did.

The two moments in the fight with Drago speaking were supposed to be subtitled, but for some reason the streaming didn't include it After Duke tells Rocky "You see? He's not a machine, he's a MAN" Drago is in his corner saying "He is not Human... he is like piece of iron!" Then later, the Russian trainer tells Drago "Listen to them. They're cheering for HIM, you idiot! WIN!!" Then Drago grabs him by the throat, then turns to the Premiere and shouts "I fight to win... for ME. FOR ME!!!"

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I got the context a tiny bit from the body language but yeah, I wish they’d shown the subtitles!

As a man - the montage that you didn't understand makes perfect sense. We spend most of our lives pretending that we are in control an never allow or emotions to overwhelm us. So when that point comes that you can't hold it back comes - all the emotions that we bottle up over the years come back to the surface, that is what Rocky was feeling - this speaks tomen. You see the surface emotion, the need for revenge, but it is really something far deeper. All of that bottled emotion needed to be spent, he was letting it well up so it could drive him to push to places he had never been to before. For us it is less about the revenge, that is really just the trigger and the outlet. The first three movies we much more balanced for men and women, this one was almost all for the men. Rocky is such a deep character - he is interesting because he holds a mirror up to us. Men aren't deep, we are driven by the moment with only the simplest understanding of our emotional selves. We are all like rocky, we are simple minded with our emotions, often not understanding them ourselves until something forces them up to the surface.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I can understand that, thanks for sharing your perspective! For me it just felt like filler without a clear payoff, but the overall picture does support what you said 😊

@toxicrevenuegaming9415

5 ай бұрын

And they say being a man is easier.

FYI, the band Survivor wrote songs for both Rocky III and IV. As for Rocky, it was guilt AND desire for revenge.

@mcgilj1

10 ай бұрын

And The Karate Kid (the director of the first 3 directed the original and 5th Rocky film).

@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812

7 ай бұрын

I hope she checks out The Best Of The Best which is similar to both Rocky & The Karate Kid.

Definitely need to go to Rocky 5 next. People like to dog on that movie so much, but every reactor who saw it liked it much better than they thought by all the hate, and I actually think its better than 4 in some ways. Where 4 was more of a straight forward typical action movie type feel, 5 gets back to more Rocky 1 storytelling

@mcgilj1

10 ай бұрын

5 is bad for a series of reasons.. But the material for a great film is in there.. And lots of it. Maybe too much? But man.. That fight is incredible.

@jessecortez9449

10 ай бұрын

Rocky 5 gets more trash than it deserves. It's definitely got it's flaws but there is olenty of good in it. The antagonists makes sense when you look at boxing as the industry that it's become. And if you skip it than some relationship issues seem to come out of nowhere in Rocky Balboa.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I definitely won’t skip it, I want to see for myself! A lot of people said 3 wasn’t good, and even more said 4 wasn’t, but I liked them both. I’m going all the way with Rocky’s story!

@terminallumbago6465

10 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrillDo you plan on reacting to the Creed spinoff movies too (which are more recent)? Rocky is in 2 of the 3 of them, but he’s not the main character.

@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812

7 ай бұрын

Definitely Creed 2 since then you find out what happens to Drago after his bout with Rocky.

Seeing this in the theater in 1985 with the USA/USSR relations as the were was a much different viewing experience than watching today.

@mcgilj1

10 ай бұрын

Hell.. Were almost at that level again. A couple more years this film might be even more relevant than ever.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I imagine so! I only know what I’ve read and seen after the fact, but I tried to keep the times in mind 💜

The montage achieves two things. a. It's Rockys life flashing before him. b. I 'could of been' the final montage to wrap the series up IF part 4 ended up being the last movie.

"Hearts on Fire" is on my playlist. Gen Xer here, born in 1967. Awesome reaction as always from someone who could be in our generation because you get it and dont fall for BS.

@mcgilj1

10 ай бұрын

The entire franchise soundtrack is a big replay on my playlist.. score and all.. except for.. Maybe only one song from 5. Lol

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

It’s on mine now!

@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812

7 ай бұрын

Fellow Gen-X here and I don't have Heart's On Fire on mine but Burning Heart and Living In America both are. In fact people love when I sing Living In America at karaoke. 😄

This movie really highlighted Rocky's career as a professional boxer, probably why it's one of the most memorable movies ever

Apollo's entry is classic American cultural treasure.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

If nothing else, the man knew what he was about

And some of the coldest words ever spoken in a Rocky movie: "If he dies, he dies."

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

So cold 😢

Ok, you have officially become my favorite reactor. You are hilarious! Thank you for being so cool....😎

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for also being cool! Glad to have you here 😊

@fishbone8703

10 ай бұрын

Yeah your beginning to be one of my favorites.

I've noticed guy reactors are usually completely on board and get Rocky's mentality and female reactors don't..

@xSagash

10 ай бұрын

Yeah... I believe it's kind of biological, and it's normal. Women seek more protection, security (more maternal instinct)... Men want to defend themselves and the honor of those in their group, and look for tricks to do so. Even when reacting to fights, women tend to see it as something "super violent" and turn their faces away so as not to see it, men are already used to it, I believe a little because of their hunting ancestors. Of course, this is not a generalization (we have several women who fight, for example, or more sensitive men), but +85% react this way.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I agree, could be a female thing, and I have children as well so my big thing is being there to take care of them. It makes sense that men would see it differently. I didn’t completely relate but after a time I think I at least understood. And by the time of the training I was on board 😂

We love your honest reactions!

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I’m glad!

The interesting thing about these films is they’re semi-autobiographical. Where Rocky is at in his boxing career mirrors where Sly was at in his acting career at the time.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

That makes sense! I feel like most people can find a way to relate to at least part of all of them.

great reaction! hearts on fire is one of my fav workout songs !

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

It’s one of mine now!

You should binge watch the rest (I want reactions!) of the story. *Rocky V* is really only bad by comparison to the other Rocky movies, and *Rocky Balboa* (Rocky 6) may be my favorite. Immediately continue the story with the *Creed* movies, which are completely worthy continuations of the Rocky saga.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I will definitely finish the Rocky saga, Part 5 *may* be out next week, and then I'm taking October to do some scary stuff, so it may not be until November. Creed I'm still undecided on, might be a break between.

@Eggman2285

10 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrillTrust me, you're going to want to watch the Creed movies. Can't say more without spoiling.

My new favorite reactor, your facial expressions and comments are priceless

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Thank you 😊 That means a lot to me!

The robot. The reason for the robot is that Stallone's oldest son (the baby in Rocky 2) was diagnosed as autistic. Stallone read an interview with the inventor of the robot where he said that he felt that in certain situations an autistic child may be able to learn more effectively from a robot than with a human teacher, so Stallone who was going through a divorce at the time (while dating the actress that played Ivan Drago's wife) had his children with him on set. In between takes the robot and its inventor would work with Stallone's son.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

That’s really interesting!

This is definitely the most epic Rocky film.

This movie is not the best Rocky, but somehow is the most rewatchable.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

It’s very crowd pleasing!

"I must break you." One of the biggest complaints I hear about this movie, is that Apollo Creed (Carl Weathers) is out of character. I disagree. Apollo has always been an extremely pro-American competitor and challenging a Soviet boxer would be a matter of pride for him. So of course he would challenge Ivan Drago. There are a lot of problems with this movie, and the next one is worse, but Apollo Creed's character isn't one of them. Carl Weathers gives 110% too. Speaking of which... Fun Fact: In order to sell Drago's (Dolph Lundgren) killing blow to Apollo, Carl Weathers made it a point to land face first and feign a twitching motion after hitting the ground. He was so convincing that the on-set physician feared he had actually been injured. Location Location Fact: The training scenes set in Russia were actually filmed in Wyoming. The farm is located in Jackson Hole, and most of the exterior shots were filmed in the Grand Teton National Park. The fight itself was shot at the PNE Agrodome in Vancouver, British Columbia. Rock Solid Fact: After realizing how Rocky's previous opponents (Apollo Creed and Clubber Lang) had loud and animated personalities, Dolph Lundgren came up with the idea of making his character, Ivan Drago, very stoic, not move too much and just be an intimidating presence. Sylvester Stallone incorporated these ideas by not giving the character too much dialogue and making big close ups, especially in the eyes. This wasn't done because English wasn't Dolph Lundgren's first language.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Great info, love it! And I agree, Apollo was absolutely in character based on what they showed before.

@BigGator5

10 ай бұрын

You're welcome. I can't wait for you to get to the Creed movies. Go in Peace and Walk with God. 😎 👍

"It's just an exhibition, it's kid's stuff." There is an old saying that Apollo should've remembered. "You can play football, rugby, tennis and other sports. You can't play boxing."

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

That’s a good point!

6:17 This talk with Apollo is one of my absolute favorite scenes in the German dub. Apollo's VA really gives it his all and his expression is SOOOOO great in it. I can hear this exact dialogue in my head, with his inflictions. It's brilliant, I would highly recommend it to anyone who has a chance. Hope it can even give something to people who don't even understand German.

There was alot driving Rocky in this one. Guilt because he didn't throw in that towel when he wanted to. But he was conflicted trying to do what Apollo wanted. There's the nationalism: us vs them.. and just revenge in spite of everything he could lose. Plus there's the great theme. Rocky trains old school.. Hardcore.. Natural.. He represents the old school. Drago is science.. (and doping) and high tech which was good to see you got right away.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

A lot of stuff going on but it came together well!

My favorite movie of the series. I watch the training montage almost everyday, it's so inspiring!

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I’ve watched that part more than a few times now 😂

@RJ_MacReady13

10 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill they are so inspiring! Looking forward for your next reactions!

I never understood how Rocky looked so beat up at the end of 2 but not so bad in 4 with a stronger opponent.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I think it’s the time shift, when it went from being an underdog drama to more of an actiony one. I don’t mind it myself.

Hey don't apologize for having an opinion on Paulie. The thing I love most about your reactions is you don't hold back. You're more authentic. A lot of reactors even if they hated the movie are going to have a big fake smile on their face and say it was great lol. You seem like the kind of person where if you didn't like the movie you're going to say it. And I like that. But I love that you did the next Rocky reaction so soon. Yes you have to knock these out of the park. I think when you get to Creed you're going to love it.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! I always want to be honest, good or bad 😊 I did end up being ok with Paulie in this one, but you know what’s coming 😂

@shadycnetwork

10 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill I love how you respond to comments that is so cool. You are literally one of the most beautiful women on KZread. I think during my next podcast I'm going to mention that everyone needs to check you out.

YEEEEAAASSSSS FINALLY, I’ve been waiting for someone especially a reviewer to say and notice that THUNDERLIPS was BIGGER ❤❤❤❤❤❤

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

That guy had his own zip code! 🤣🤣🤣 Hulkster forever!

@edgarmorales7855

10 ай бұрын

I actually met him in 1988 or 89 he was a legitimate 6’7 300 plus lbs

Why haven't I found your reaction channel sooner?!?!? Ha ha I loved the Rick and Morty reference, "Your boos mean nothing to me. I've seen what makes you cheer!" Ha ha Along with other movie references. You have to do Rocky 5 and Rocky Balboa. Then you can do scary movies. I subscribed, so I'm with you all they way through!!! Loved the reaction!

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! I think with the great response for this one, I’ll make V happen before October. There’s a decent break between V and Balboa so I think it works. Then we’ll decide on Creed 😊

Those momtages of when he was driving was to me like flashback of whats going through his head. He had a lot of things going through his head at that point

“ if he dies he dies” that’s so cold blooded

@RhetoricalThrill

9 ай бұрын

Especially when he’s seizing on the floor 😭

@mohammedalkhatib418

9 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill yes I was like where are the medics instead of thousands of cameras on his face I mean yeah for evidence but give Apollo Space!

The scene where Rocky ascends the mountain is one of the most powerful and inspirational scenes ever!

@RhetoricalThrill

9 ай бұрын

Yes!

So this was the Rocky film I seen in the theater when I was a little guy . I loved it still love it . The biggest thing that stands out is the music . Which is on a lot of people’s gym playlists heh

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Honestly, best soundtrack so far!

19:26 "No matter what." Apollo’s last words. 💔😭

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

😭

Its hard to put the end into context if you didnt live in the cold war. Watch "Miracle on Ice" about the 1980 USA hockey team to understand how THAT was more than just a hockey game. It was so much more. They tried to tap into that with this movie in a small way. I was shouting for the victory over the USSR in boxing at the end. Had to be there really. Oops-typing while you were talking at the end. I apologize-you did get part of the times. I guess my emotions are stronger being an 80s kid and living in the cold war..but again you are so good at summarizing movies. You are the best imo.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I appreciate that, thank you! I didn't get the worst of it, no, I was pretty small during that time. I remember the disbanding of the USSR more than the existence of it.

@orangeandblackattack

8 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill Then you were part of it. I gotta tell you, when I was in grade school and Junior High, we had nuclear drills which were stupid..hiding under a wood desk? Gimme a break! But the fear was there everyday. I lived 15 miles from a primary target. McGills in Valparaiso, IN, was the only plant in the world that made B-52 ball bearings, which were the bombers used for nuclear warheads. The end of cold war/the destruction of the Berlin Wall, unleashed 4 years of euphoria for us young adults. We could party and even the cops in our county never hassled people for throwing parties that had, lets say, illegal party favors. They let us have fun. 1989-1992 were some of the greatest years of our lives.

Glad you watched this one. I enjoyed it when I first saw it. The cold war undertone could be part of it. Agree the training sequences just got better and better. 🤜🤛

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Love those training scenes!

Actually during filming Dolph Lundgren landed a punch on Stallone so hard that he was hospitalized for a week :D

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

That’s what I’ve heard! Talk about suffering for your art!

There was a version of the script where when Adrian showed up in Russia, she would reveal that she was pregnant.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Oh wow, I wonder why they changed that

@stonecoldku4161

10 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrillProbably would've been too much going on in the story at that point.

I don't know why translation text is not available in some versions. You know when Drago sat in his corner, at 26.11 in your reaction, and said something, and you said "I think that's the most words you said the whole movie"? Important words that were left out of the version you watched. What he said, and I got this from other versions that DID show the translation text, was "He's not human; he's like a piece of iron."

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

That would have been so great. I was watching on Netflix so that’s really weird. I suppose I could have skipped back and turned on subtitles, but I just assumed they were left out on purpose.

"True love is staying by your side even when you do dumb shite." - you I married my ex-wife because, my words, "she's willing to do what's best for me, even if it pisses me off". We definitely need both. Two sides of the same coin.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

True 😂

@JohnSmith-zw8vp

10 ай бұрын

I'm sorry it didn't work out. :(

A boxer never surrender, he fight with all heart, mental and body till the end. It s crazy, but a fighter always go on.."no matter what"

Maybe this relates to the lack of soul-searching you pointed out, but one departure from the previous films that I didn't like was, in this one Adrian just comes along for the ride. In the first one, as hard as Rocky was training, he didn't have the confidence he needed until Adrian told him to try his best, even if he thought he would lose. In the second film, when she tells him to "Win," he goes from barely training to working like a man possessed. In the third, it's Adrian's beachside confrontation of Rocky that gets him to admit his fear and take his training with Apollo seriously. In short, nothing Rocky did went ahead without Adrian's say-so. But in this one, he's working hard the whole way, and Adrian shows up to take on a supporting role, rather than driving the story forward.

This movie, like so many from 1983 to about 1987 or so, was very heavily influenced by the rise of MTV and music videos (leading to more pop/rock music soundtracks than scores, more nonsensical montages, faster editing cuts, and more flash and style and over-the-top visuals and dance numbers than slow/complex/deep emotional storytelling (in other words, it is very much a product of its time and what was being seen as necessary elements to include to draw in the dollars of the younger audience of that era). Some hate that and some enjoy the kitsch and nostalgia of all of that.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

It makes sense, I enjoy it myself 😊

@tgriffin3059

10 ай бұрын

Please...Stallone is not Woody Allen, and until recently, had no apparent DESIRE to be. His films are rarely emotionally or morally complex. He doesn't have any penchant for playing or writing characters who sit around wringing their hands over life....The other Rocky movies were a bit more dialogue-driven, but part of that has to do with the fact that this is the 4th film in a series...the main characters are already established and known to the audience. Nobody behaves in anything but the manner the audience would expect...Rocky, Adrian, Paulie, and ESPECIALLY Apollo...ALL behave just as we'd anticipate under the circumstances. If MTV was an influence, I'd say it was a GOOD one...Rocky 4 is just about perfect...one of the greatest movies ever made. My only complaint would be that Stallone should have left Adrian's two deleted scenes in the movie...ESPECIALLY the second one. He seems to have a disturbing habit of removing OTHER people's strongest scenes, like he did with Burt Young in Rocky Balboa....

Thunderlips was bigger 😂 Awesome.. U rock.. Keep doing what you doing!

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! I will 💜

I reckon most Rocky fans would have the DVDs or Blu-Rays...and in my case I also downloaded them from a eh, secret place so I can watch them on my computer without having to risk my discs getting 'printed or scratched.

V is underrated. VI aka Rocky Balboa was a surprise when I saw it. And if you have any grey hairs, the training montage will connect with you. Creed will surprise you, too. And Creed II has a moment with Ivan and Victor which scared me when I saw it.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I’m taking October for some scary stuff but we’ll be back to finish this ride!

A fighter’s spirit is so hard to understand. His spirit will never add up, the “math” doesn’t make sense. A fighter always has to believe in themselves and a trainer can’t believe that they’re ever going to lose, even if they’re outgunned. It goes beyond pride, it goes beyond the title and that’s why it was an unsanctioned fight in Russia by their rules. It was the principal of the thing. Keep in mind this was during the Cold War era and there’s a little bit of the eastern block vs. the west. Rocky decided he was pot committed and that the only way he’d beat the man if he was willing to die, but the man that could beat him had to be willing to die as well. He went to the most extremes in terms of cold, primitive training, etc. He didn’t need anything fancy, he needed to find his true drive and go back to what he came from and get his mind right.

7:12 🤣 You can say that again!

Another classic! Loved your reaction. Rocky 5 is probably the weakest in the series, but still hope you react to it. Rocky Balboa and the Creed movies are phenomenal!

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

V and Balboa are definite, Creed still unsure

@bghammock

10 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill Oh you gotta watch the Creed movies :) You won't be disappointed.

"I will stand by your side when you do dumb shit that I don't understand." Yeah, that says it all.

This best movie in the all Rocky and Creed franchise no other movie comes even close to this movie. This is the most successful Rocky movie and the most remembered movie without this movie there are no Creed movies. I love the Montage in this movie Hearts On Fire, Fun facts: During the filming of this movie Stallone asked Dolph to really spar with him. Stallone ended up in the hospital cause Dolph punch him so hard he moved his heart . Another fun fact Brigitte Nielsen the actress who plays Drago wife was the real life girlfriend of Stallone during the time of the filming. :) . You should see Dolph Languren movies like The Punisher 1989, Universal Solider, Showdown In Little Tokyo , I Come In Peace. It is not just the desire for revenge that motivate Rockey in this movie. It is the guilt that Rockey is feeling for not dropping the towel and stopping the fight before Apollo died.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

He was so conflicted, he knew Apollo would hate him for doing it, and he wanted to trust that Apollo knew what was best, he must have understood Mickey so much at that moment 😩

Nice analysis at the end. Rocky won because he came into the fight with heart. As you put it - Drago was nothing more than a lab rat. He always had to do what he was told never really having a choice. He tried to convince himself that he was doing what he wanted in life, but in truth his heart just wasn't in it.

@ckobo84

10 ай бұрын

Little known fact: the actor that played Drago also played Lerch in "The Adams Family" tv show.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

He claimed he fought for himself but I also don’t think he knew what he wanted at all.

The reason these slow mo shots are so good is that Stallone and Lundgren stood in the center of the ring and repeatedly punched each other in the face... for real.

@RhetoricalThrill

5 ай бұрын

The dedication 😮

Burt Young the actor that played Paulie passed away this week at the age of 83. 🙏 RIP.

@RhetoricalThrill

9 ай бұрын

I saw that 😞 I may not like the character but he did a good job playing him and I wish the best for his loved ones

15:12 the montage is what Rocky is thinking about as he’s driving. He’s remembering all of the fights and the feelings. 19:01 it’s Russia they don’t have a choice. You get volunteered to be a sparring partner.

You won't hear me complain about back-to-back Rocky reactions! :-) ... That mocking laugh of yours at the Russian character! LOL! The next story is a major shift but a logical one. It is the worst of the series in nearly everyone's opinions (including mine), mainly because the studio thought they knew more than Stallone about the direction it should go. He lost some battles with the higher-up executives. The movie is still worthwhile, as--like all Rocky films--it has some valuable nuggets of life wisdom and a few genuine, heart-felt moments. I'm looking most forward to seeing you react to Rocky Balboa (number VI)!

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! I’m taking a little bit of a risk doing it, but I think I’m going right into Part 5 as soon as I kick this stupid sinus infection. Hopefully people are just as ok with three in a row 😂

Everyone has already touched on the main themes of the picture. So I'll just add that in the final round when Drago tossed the politician and screams at the crowd, he say he fights for himself and not for them. He feels that he's a pawn made into a weapon and only used as a tool of the government. Rocky is fighting from his heart but Drago is fighting because of the expectations put on him.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Kind of makes you feel bad for Drago. They don’t see him as a person at all.

@nathanjacobus3577

10 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill It definitely adds a level of complexity to his character. His not indifferent to the suffering he's inflicted on the Creed family because he's evil. He just never was shown true empathy by those around him and therefore doesn't know how to give any himself.

A montage in the form of a movie, the soundtrack is great, but that is what I remember from this movie. That and you get to see the start of Dolph Lundgren's career who would be He-Man by CAnnon as they were going bankrupt.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

ahahahaha I forgot he was He Man, I haven't seen that in so long

@mcgilj1

10 ай бұрын

​@@RhetoricalThrilland the first Marvel Punisher!!!

Since Spooky Season is coming up, I recommend watching Ernest Scared Stupid. It's a Halloween horror comedy classic. It stars one of my favorite actors, Jim Varney, and I watch it pretty much immediately as October starts. Also, it has a connection to another movie you reacted to: Killer Klowns from Outer Space. The effects for Ernest Scared Stupid were done by the Chiodo Brothers. The Chiodo Brothers were the guys who wrote, directed and produced Killer Klowns from Outer Space as well as doing the practical effects and makeup. I think it'd make for a great reaction.

If you wind up watching Cobra Kai at some point, remember these training scenes.

@jillk368

10 ай бұрын

I think that was Suzanne Powder - - "Stop the insanity!!"

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I plan to, still debating whether for here or Patreon, but I will do it

@jillk368

10 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill Do it on here, for us underemployed but loyal subscribers.

Great reaction to this classic Rocky sequel

@RhetoricalThrill

6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@damianstarks3338

6 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill You are welcome keep doing what you are doing !

This song slaps! - hadn’t heard that in years 😂

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

The song or expression? 😂 It felt right 🤣

@jmiyagi12345

10 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill the expression. I am going to put that one in my back pocket for use later. Gotta add that I appreciate your thoughtful reactions - how Rocky IV feels tacked on compared to the arc in 1 through 3. Or how the action feels rushed since we don’t see his process on the decision - all things that are obvious but I never really noticed. It was always it was fun, if not as good as the first 3 but never got beyond that.

11:54 Took the words RIGHT outta my mouth at this moment.

You did great again! Stalone made a directors cut a few years ago that is really good! He removed most of the cheese and made it much more dramatic. It’s interesting as it’s the same movie but he uses a lot of different takes so it seems very fresh. I was hoping he’d remove the 80’s music and put back more of the classic Rocky music, but he didn’t. You should check it out sometime. Thanks again for a great reaction!

@The_Texorcist

10 ай бұрын

Agreed, the directors cut (while having its own issues) does fix a lot of issues from the theatrical release.

@donavonhoward114

10 ай бұрын

The 80's music is part of what makes the movie great. Without the 80's music, it wouldn't be the same thing. The music is iconic. It's just like how Rocky 3 has the Eye Of The Tiger. The normal Rocky music worked well for the first 2 films, but the 80's films are a different beast.

@totomomo18

10 ай бұрын

You watched the right version with the robot not the remark crap they made recently. There are no issue to be fix this movie is perfect.99% percent of the time the original version is the best version.

@mcgilj1

10 ай бұрын

The freaking sound fx on those hits (in the new cut) is damn near traumatizing. Lol

@pr0_gabby656

10 ай бұрын

@@donavonhoward114 Agree to disagree on that. I don’t hate the music in 4, but I would hardly call it iconic. 3 had Eye of the tiger AND the classic Rocky music. I would never want the music removed from the theatrical release, but changing it for the directors cut would have made the two versions that much more different. I don’t know if I liked the directors cut more, but I appreciated that it was different. The documentary about the making of the directors cut was interesting too.

Also, you have to remember that this took place at the heart of the Cold War. There was a lot more than personal pride on the line.

I finally caught one of your premiers!!!

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

YAY! I try to shoot for 11am Eastern on Saturdays, but sometimes stuff happens lol

15:02 the montage is most likely Rocky thinking about his life since he also doesnt know if he is gon a survive Drago too.

31:18 This is widely seen as the best Montage in the Rocky Series and also one of the best in Cinema, nothing in it is random not even the music it all matters and it's all there for a reason other than padding. That said, this movie is 29 minutes of Montages.

@RhetoricalThrill

6 ай бұрын

It’s a fair point, I still do feel like it was filler-esque but it doesn’t hurt it overall. I think this may be my favorite one actually

Can I just tell you how much I love your reactions??? Can we hang out sometime? I swear you are my twin watching movies! I’ll make S’mores and popcorn!

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

You had me at s’mores and popcorn!

@suzieredfoxfur6982

10 ай бұрын

@@RhetoricalThrill Firing up the fire pit right now! Giggles

the music in complete movie is awsome

Drago is a perfect machine, nothing to say about an excellent character in the Rocky movie, Dragon's body, wow, Rocky is the best, but Dragon wow.

Apollo's ultimate downfall was that he had no montages. Rocky needed THREE just to beat Drago. First one while driving the Lambo to get his head right, then the initial training montage, and finally the supercharged +Adrian training montage. Apollo never had a chance.

@RhetoricalThrill

Ай бұрын

That makes so much sense! The source of his power 😯

I love her humor ❤

@RhetoricalThrill

6 ай бұрын

😊

Not sure if you had the subtitles pop up for Drago, during the final fight when they are saying he's not a machine he's a man! Drago is saying he isnt human he is like a piece of iron, i.e a machine so it switches,, then the gorbachev boys are saying later to Drago you better fight for your country, he turns and sais I dont fight for you! I fight for me! I fight for me! Aww im such a fanboy ha ha

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

They didn’t! I don’t know why Netflix didn’t give them to me 😞

Time to do Rocky 5!!!

@RhetoricalThrill

9 ай бұрын

First one up after Halloween!

You are hilarious 😂😂

@RhetoricalThrill

9 ай бұрын

Thank you so much 🥹

Rocky III is Stallone's fav sequel. As a lifelong fan on the series, I have my theories as to why. The Paulie opening moments is a Director directing. The second film is a Director finding his way. It's lit like a tv show... unremarkable. I think Sly wanted to play with light and shadow more. In III he got to do that. Think of cinema at the time. Taxi Driver? III is a great film by a great Director.

Should watch Rocky 5 real quick and finish up the original series! The fifth one isn't great, but it has some special scenes that contribute and finish out the story.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

The response so far has been so positive that I think I will make sure to get 5 done before October. I think there’s a pretty long break between 5 and 6 time-wise, so seems fair.

Sweeeeeeeeeet you did Rocky four awsome I love it

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

It was great! Thank you for watching!

I saw this at the cinema with my brother. I feel old.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

Time is unforgiving, but cherish those memories 💜

TMI: Dolph Lungren was a MIT student when he was casted to this roll. 😎

@RhetoricalThrill

9 ай бұрын

He sounds like a very interesting guy from what I’ve heard!

It's not only revenge, he's a fighter and has a charachter of one, it's kinda selfish to expect a person to change that or be able to delete that just because he has family, she knew who he was and took him as husband, he hasn't changed, circumstances did, and now just because of that she expects him to estinguish his fire for her, which isn't really fair on her part, also he feels partly guilty for not throwing in the towel and that's like retribution for the guilt he's feeling, because it helps him cope, that atleast he's doing something about it, if he didn't do nothing, he'd prob go mentally and emotionally insane, and he wouldn't be good for anybody like that anyways. Great movie tho

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I like how they can say so much to each other without speaking much at all, they convey everything you said

Rocky IV put Dolph Lundgren (Ivan Drago) on the map. He’s done a lot of B-grade action movies that Sylvester Stallone or Arnold Schwarzenegger probably turned down. I am probably the only one on the planet that liked him as He-Man in ‘Masters of the Universe’. He has since worked with Sylvester Stallone (and Arnold Schwarzenegger) in all of the ‘Expendables’ films.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

I haven’t seen MOTU in so long, that may be the only movie of his I’ve actually seen until this 😂

24:58 turns into Arnold Swansinger😂

20:25 those are called "Dragon Flags". Popularized by the great Bruce Lee. You have to have a VERY strong core system (Abs, chest, shoulders and back) to do them. They're not regular leg lifts. You lift your back off the floor as well as your legs. To put it in perspective as a gym rat myself I can only do ONE and that's it. I tried 2 and felt like I was about to break something lol.

@RhetoricalThrill

10 ай бұрын

It looks PAINFUL 😭

For the name Ivan, 'Ee-Vawn' is the russian pronounciation, 'Eye-Ven' is the americanized version of that name, so both are technically valid. Unless we'd ask Drago directly how he prefers it. And he actually gives us answer beside a death glare.

@RhetoricalThrill

9 ай бұрын

Too true 😆