Interesting stuff. I look forward to seeing the doc.

Are more than 4% of English players black? Yep. Is that proof if racism? Apparently. Anything other than outcomes exactly equal to the underlying population proportion is an ism. No allowance is allowed for ability, personal preferences/ choices.

@gravy3858

Жыл бұрын

commenting so I hopefully remember to read this after work.

@wildfire9280

Жыл бұрын

I’m afraid that isn’t really how it works. I’m not sure how much this applies to the U.K but at least over here racial hiring gaps are more often traced to unequal starting points when entering the labor market owing to factors outside of any company’s control but well within the purview of public policy.

Mind-blowing to see people suggest otherwise...

@1882Stu

Жыл бұрын

If football was racist there wouldn’t be black footballers 🤣😂😂

No but Rio laughed at a racist comment towards Ashley Cole

I'm sure the comments section will confirm Rio and Roshane have nothing to worry about and didn't need to make the documentary and video highlighting this yet again. Ducks and runs for cover

Yes, racism is a world issue and yes it’s still in football.

@hjghhjk842

Жыл бұрын

Lmao right.. it’s that simple

@1882Stu

Жыл бұрын

Shouldnt the title be ‘are some people racist?’

Answer is no

You cant stop racial hatred. Its a matter of the heart. Its taught generationally. Im not begging or having any conversation to try and educate a racist. I know who i am and i am proud of my skin colour.

Damn athletic going hard on the white guilt today

Is calling Ashley Cole a coconut racist?

"i hear you fella, choc ice is a classic" -Rio Ferdinand. Pull your finger out, the athletic.

Y'know, I expected better from The Athletic than clickbait bullshit titles like this. Football is a sport, it's not self aware, it doesn't have a singular opinion so to imply it does is to imply that everyone associated with football thinks the same way. There are ways of phrasing the title that doesn't immediately invoke an emotional response, but you chose not to do that. You wanted the clicks. And secondly, could you not have found someone more eloquent than Rio? His punditry has not exactly shown him to be one of the great thinkers of the game.

@willywonka7812

Жыл бұрын

An emotional response to this question will come from people who have been racially abused, and from racists. Your playing defence for one of these groups speaks volumes

@1882Stu

Жыл бұрын

@@willywonka7812 no it won’t.

@dudeabides5807

Жыл бұрын

Consider analogy to your first point, South Africa during Apartied. "South Africa is a country, it's not self aware, it doesn't have a singular opinion so to imply it does is to imply that everyone associated with South Africa thinks the same way." Was South Africa during Apartied racist? Does that mean everyone associated with South Africa was racist? Who's still complaining about clickbait in 2022. Of course they are trying to garner clicks, what content creator doesn't want exposure. If anything you should be ranting about KZread's divisionary algorithms that only promote sensationalist clickbait. Also this is an interview about Rio's upcoming documentary, why would they find someone else to discuss this. If you don't care for his opinions why waste your own time, or are you simply here to complain about a title of a video you haven't watched.

@1882Stu

Жыл бұрын

@@dudeabides5807 this would work as an analogy if football divided black and white players. They don’t.

@dudeabides5807

Жыл бұрын

@@1882Stu It works regardless of whether or not football is acually racist, the analogy is not related to the magnitiude of racism inherent in a system, be it obvious divisions written in law, or obscure cultural and institutional prejedice. Just that to "imply that everyone associated with football thinks the same way" is an invalid simplification.

💯💯💯

This is what is called a "low resolution argument" and it's profoundly and incredibly low resolution, at that. We speak in these platitudes, slogans, and catchy soundbites, like "kick it out" and "give racism the red card" but we're never too bothered about the psychological and sociological basis of this behaviour in any team sport, because it requires actual thought and effort to understand and it doesn't give us the answers we want about our own nature. Begin here: 1. What is racism? It's an extreme version of the defence mechanism that we might call xenophobia in the modern day. That stems from tribalism. We are tribal creatures in nature, and that has never changed since we all actually lived in tribes. The reason we even find football engaging and interesting in the first place is because it is an environment that allows us to engage in tribalism. When everything beyond the tribe and the known boundaries of the tribe's claimed lands was legitimately dangerous and the threat of death via the invasion of a rival tribe was always imminent, safety was only within the tribe. It made sense to have a disgust mechanism that triggered when encountering something foreign to the tribe. That disgust mechanism has never left us. It is more pronounced in certain people than others, but we all have it, regardless of whether we pretend not to. 2. Why did we humans invent sports? All sports are a proxy for war. That's the top and bottom of it. They were invented so we could compete (because males have a natural proclivity and need to compete to elevate themselves and their fellow tribesmen to the top of the dominance hierarchy). We needed to compete without murdering other people, the moment we began to think of ourselves as "civilised". Football is a war on a battlefield, simulated by 22 men at a time. Any team field sport is the same. The most "pure" form of sport would possibly be something like MMA or bareknuckle fighting, because it is doing away with the pretence of sport being non-violent. The aim is to physically disable your opponent (simulating death), stopping just short of killing him. 3. Why do we support "teams"? What is a "team"? All professional football clubs are geographically based. We have Manchester United vs. Manchester City, Chelsea vs. Arsenal, England vs. Scotland. Intra-city rivalries, inter-city rivalries, regional rivalries, and then international rivalries. What is this, except tribalism? It's literally "My people from over here" versus "your people from over there" and "we don't get along with you because you're not from the same place as us". You have teams like Wigan Athletic and Leeds United (Athletic) Football Club, that stemmed from a small tribe of athletic men deciding to compete in football. There is Sheffield Wednesday; so named because that tribe used to meet up on Wednesdays. There are clubs like Newcastle United, which had its genesis in the two opposing tribes on opposite sides of the city deciding to unite to take on other cities in the Football League. You have (the Woolwich) Arsenal., which is a club that's literally named after a place where instruments of war were manufactured and kept by the tribesmen who established the team. How many other clubs, like Charlton and Sheffield United have instruments of war on their crests, or are nicknamed something like "The Blades" or "The Gunners" or "________ Army"? Is it not absolutely, blindingly obvious that racism is actually part and parcel of football, because tribalism and war is? If you want to truly eliminate racism from football, the place to begin would be to eliminate the tribal aspect and do away with the geographically based teams. But that's never, ever going to happen because the concept of football would become pointless without it and totally collapse. You would erase both the history and the future of the game in the attempt to do so. Racism will never be totally eliminated from football because it won't be eliminated from society. It is built into us (to varying degrees) and the only real differences we see is the manner in which it expresses itself. You have the same responses in your brain, for example, when you argue against somebody with the opposite political views to your own and decide they're ignorant and shouldn't be associated with... but, for some reason, that is not as forbidden in modern society as being racist. My personal belief is that it's because there is a lot of money involved in promoting the so-called "anti-racism" stance (look at this video itself, and BT Sport's recent escapades, for great examples). The people so insistently and loudly telling you it's a bad thing, and to get rid of it, are actually the ones perpetuating it and making loads of money out of it. They're clearly not bothered about getting rid of it because nobody ever mentions any of the above. And this is coming from an extremely mixed race man, with family all over the world, who has always had friends of all different colours, ethnicities, religious beliefs, physical and mental ability, and so on. I have coached kids of all ages and backgrounds, and coached both boys and girls (sometimes within the same session). Hating a person just for their skin colour is wrong (and a pretty sad waste of energy, if you ask me), but so is promoting over-simplistic ideas of "anti-racism" so you can make money out of it. Funny how the same people jumping on this bandwagon had absolutely nothing to say when it was apparently unanimously decided that we would cancel all Russians from football because of the actions of a select few in charge of a country. How is that (passing blanket judgement on a whole country full of people) not racism in its purest form?

Is the human race involved? Then yes.

ah goody another channel to remember to unsub from

@hjghhjk842

Жыл бұрын

You didn’t need to make an announcement lmao I doubt they care enough to be notified 😂

Black multi millionaire Rio Ferdinand talks about if football is racist after making his fortune playing football 🤣🤣🤣

@travisamerica7213

Жыл бұрын

What an idiotic comment

@1882Stu

Жыл бұрын

@@travisamerica7213 if football was racist black people wouldn’t be allowed to play.

What about anti-white racism? He conveniently avoided that in the documentary

@thelasthourgetready

11 ай бұрын

That's reactionary racism. Fighting back against racism.

@gigglemaniarunninwild2207

11 ай бұрын

@@thelasthourgetready you’re just a racist trying embarrassingly to justify your racism, sad! Lol

The good ol' blame everyone for what a small minority of people have done.

what sort of stupid question is that? how can football be racist? football has given opportunity to more black people than anything else that comes to my mind. On 'black journos' this is so lazy you arent taking into account that one, there are less black people. two, less black people even attempting to be journos successful or not. three, limited amount of jobs to begin with. Unless we are at a point in society where you hire black people just because they are black of course there are going to be few, that doesn't make it racist.

Kicking a ball is racist now? Easier to list what isn't "racist" these day. This poor black multi millionaire really suffered, where can I donate to Rio? Sounds like he's had a hard time, his house cleaning team needs to be paid, poor fella

@willywonka7812

Жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ lad Prager U? Is there a more obvious corporate propaganda channel on earth? Fckin hell

@thelasthourgetready

11 ай бұрын

You know exactly what he is talking about.

Why bring football into a political matter load of crap. Leave sport as sport

@jaquandrejones

Жыл бұрын

You're a snowflake that exists outside of reality if you don't think politics and sports exist in the same world. In Rome Roma v Lazio is literally good people v fascists. In real life, you can't just ignore politics bc a ball is being kicked.

@otto_jk

Жыл бұрын

Ask West ham fans, ask Lazio ultras, ask Sparta Prague supporters, ask Luis Suarez, ask Burnley. Ask all the footballers taking selfies with dictators. Maybe they should stop bringing their politics into football, the issue would be immediately solved and we wouldn't have to talk about it...

@willywonka7812

Жыл бұрын

Tarraing do chloigeann amach as do thoin maith leaid

@speedstar67

Жыл бұрын

Treating people with basic respect and dignity is political? Good luck to you sir

@thelasthourgetready

11 ай бұрын

Denial