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Thanks Ben. Sounds like typical Gerber. It would be cool if they came out with a "pro" line of tools that were made from better materials for people who didn't mind paying more.

@420haxx

Жыл бұрын

Gerber strikes again...interesting ideas but poor execution and cheap materials.

@clintabbott5327

Жыл бұрын

Which is what we all really want 😊

@fc436

Жыл бұрын

I have 10 leatherman and 1 gerber centerdrive. Pliers and frames steel of Gerber Is harder than leatherman. Leatherman steel of pliers pivot , pliers and frames Is the softer between Gerber and Victorinox. ALL MY LEATHERMANS TAKE A LOT OF PLAY ON THE PLIERS AFTER FEW HARD WIRE CUTTING. ON FREE P4 THE WORST BUT ALSO ON SURGE/WAVE/REBAR/CHARGE G10. Is the only big problema on leatherman and the reason Is soft steel on pivot and pliers.

@Horde334

Жыл бұрын

@@fc436 Stopped reading your comment the moment you typed in all caps once people do that in their comments they bring nothing valid or useful to what they were previously saying. Besides would you take the time to read a comment when SOMEONE DOES THIS BECAUSE ALL CAPS MAKES MY COMMENT STAND OUT AND COME OFF AS OBNOXIOUS DO YOU LIKE HOW MY COMMENT IS IN ALL CAPS DOES IT MAKE YOU TAKE ME MORE SERIOUS CAUSE ITS IN......ALL.....CAPS!

@jonasandersson7367

Жыл бұрын

The ones that do that are called victorinox

Man this sums up my feeling on most heavy duty multi tools in one fell swoop: The ones that are built for it all have some little irritating issues so they can't be used for it. The ones that can be used for the big stuff can't stand up to it. For example: the Surge/ST300 are plenty tough enough to turn some big stiff bolts, but the jaws don't open far enough for big stiff bolts. This Gerber is designed to eat big stiff bolts, but can't seem to survive them. A lot of these scenarios over the years really shaped my view of MTs and their role, and I'm sure a lot of us out here would say the same. I used to try and find the MT that would keep up with the actual work and was constantly disappointed, until I realized that a MT is for the gaps in between the real work. It's for the little annoying things you didn't expect, that aren't going to make or break a job, but they are definitely going to add some irritation to getting it done. An example could be: you're working on a jobsite where someone calls you over to look at an electrical panel. You're doing inspection work today, so you left your full rig in the job box. You assume the guys over at the panel have it open, but when you get there, they buttoned it up and went for coffee.. so now the thing standing between you and figuring out the problem is 2 flat head screws and a tool belt that's all the way across site. This is where a multitool saves you. From my field in the waterworks industry: let's say I'm on a watermain valve replacement. We have a trench open, 8in mainline valve being installed. The bolts are 1.25in, we use impact guns and torque wrenches. No room for a multitool here. Job's done, valve is installed.. now we have to splice together a utility tracer wire that was cut during the installation. All the tools down here are oversized.. basic, blunt, nothing fancy. Is it time to climb the ladder and look for a pair of pliers on the truck? Multitool saves that trip. My point, mostly for the new guys/gals here I guess, is that there's always going to be the job that requires the right tools, and then there's the hundred little jobs in between that require a hundred unknown tools that can really cramp your day up if you have to go looking for every one of them every time. A multitool is for those little jobs. Sometimes companies forget that.. like in this case with the Dual Force. If you're going after bolts that big that you need adjustable pliers to turn them.. you might be exceeding the realm of multitools anyways. Because turning those bolts is probably "the job" so grab your knipex or socket wrench and giv'er. Don't look for the MT that will replace those.. because it won't. Find the MT that will do the stuff you can't plan for and you'll see there are much much more options out there. This is why it seems like the road always leads back to the Surge, Charge, and the Swisstools. Let's be honest here.. it's not about gross capability, it's about broad versatility; and in that respect those tools are king.

@shouldhavenotshouldof2031

Жыл бұрын

I think you’ve perfectly summed up the role of the multi tool. I’ve worn a tool belt in various capacities over the last twenty years and the multi tool is never the first tool I reach for but it is one I always have on me.

I really like mine. I used it to replace a pair of pliers that I used to carry in a holster. Think I've had it for about a year since it came out anyway. But I've always liked blunt nose multi-tools sorry I ended up with the first Gerber. My only grape with those is you could really bang up a knuckle if it slips off the bolt. Anyway then these came out with the slip joint and I was sold. I haven't really been able to do anything with these that I couldn't do with the regular pair of pliers. And to be fair you probably weren't going to get that bolt you had loose with a regular pair either. One thing I would change though is there's no reason that the Jaws aren't just a solid construction. If they would just do that they could put the cable cutter back where it belongs.

“…everything about multi tools is a compromise.” Truer words haven’t been spoken. Well done critique.

Great video and analysis. Thanks for posting. People who think hard steel for plier jaws is good are tool testers/collectors rather than users. You want a softer steel so it bites when gripping. I've used the hard steel jaws of a leatherman surge and it always slips because the steel is too hard. Did the tool slip in the video you posted? No it worked fine. The jaws will round out a bit and wear down but not in any meaningful way over the life of the tool. When it comes to the file yes the softer steel makes it inferior as a file. The chisel tip works fantastic as a scraper. My main beef with the dual force is the location of the cutting blades. Unfortunately I see the problem of putting them in front of the jaw pivot. It pushes the jaws even further forward which will further diminish their leverage when gripping. Multi tools are all about compromise as we all know. As a tradesman losing tools is an inevitability. The price point for it means I will buy again when i lose it. If it was made of higher quality at a higher price I would have to look at carrying a small tool kit instead for a fraction of the price but at much less convenience.

@dsimon33871

Жыл бұрын

Interesting comments make a lot of sense to me.

@user-vw7qe1cf9x

4 ай бұрын

and I bet this guy is a tradesman. Same thing my grandfather taught me and he has been dead since 1984

Thanks for the review Ben, you've saved me some money.

Yeah, definitely a B- or 8/10 multi-tool. Gerber and SOG are mostly in that category in general. Leatherman and Victorinox typically all score 9’s and 10’s. Very few exceptions for them.

Well if the Jaws wearing out so easily it makes the whole roll useless, you may as well just use any pliers of such a heavy multi can't do its set main task.

Surge for the win! Heavy duty beast ⚒️

@Hexsyn

Жыл бұрын

Preach!

@richardsullivan1776

Жыл бұрын

Or Super Tool 300! Go Leatherman!

Thank you for vid. I was almost going to get one . Saved me money.

I think one reason they made the duel force outside of the US is because of how difficult it is to get material in the US right now. The same 420hc used in gerbers US tools is the same as leathermans (same company and heat treating suppliers from my understanding). They have really lagged behind in keeping their mp600 and centerdrive models (really just all of their US stuff in general) in stock everywhere you look. I even asked them if one of their models was discontinued (because I couldn’t find it in stock anywhere) and they said no, they just couldn’t get the materials for it. Also, the price for it to be American made would probably put it above the surge, of which at that point would be deemed an investment for most people, not the market Gerber is after for sales. I see this being close to 200$ if produced in the US. It’s just one of those things. Being that is is a very specialized tool, they probably didn’t want to invest everything in a tool that has a small market. Much like the leatheman crunch, nobody but a handful of people care for it. It took an outcry from people who didn’t plan to buy the tool, for leatherman to bring it back. And the small groups aren’t what big companies are after. It’s why leatherman is doing what they are with the garage series, and also why their QC has hit rock bottom, but their prices are still increasing.

@almann7885

Жыл бұрын

The Main reason for the cost hike if they were made here is in a big part to a companies willingness to not be billionaires over night. Greed is powerful.

Great video!

Great video Ben

@txtoolcrib

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much.

I’m a business class cable tech and this thing comes in handy

Agreed on the need to upgrade the metal used 👍🏽. Think a sheep foot blade might be better for a working man blade and/or an awl.

I picked up a used one for $10 so I'm going to never be disappointed. That said, I usually have actual heavy duty tools in my vehicles so this will only and always be a backup solution in a pinch.

@1:00 Where is the Knipix multi-tool? Maybe Leatherman Garage should team up with Knipix? IMHO

@maxneyasit8130

Жыл бұрын

Ідея цікава, та не впевнений, що це можливо)))

@CrowManyClouds

Жыл бұрын

NO!!!! Just what they already make but with folding handles! Maybe, maybe, a way to hold 1/4" bits. Team up with Chapman and sell their, less than, $10 ratchet driver. Pump pliers, wrench pliers, and a ratcheting screwdriver, as a set, for ~$75. IMHO multi-tools are a trap. They're OK when they're the only thing you've got. But EDC or bag carry and you discover that 'all-in-one' is less useful than 'one-of-each'. I couldn't count the times I've needed something to hold a fastener _and_ needed a driver. And make things that are consumables, like files and saws, replaceable.

I appreciate the in depth review! When comparing a stock tool to another tool, please don’t compare to one with aftermarket parts. Hearing “so not a real fair comparison” several times didn’t help. I will say, I would. Not use any multitool for anything that is heavy duty. Regardless what any manufacturer says.

My jaws will not cut stranded wire😅 and they don't really grip very well either. I was hoping they would be great being a forged plier head but nope. Only thing I found good was the screwdriver, but I prefer the centerdrive because it's not as awkward to use and lighter. Hopefully they continue to build on this tool and potentially make it here in the states with stronger material

I have same issue with some SOG tools, 3rc15mov is just not a good steel even for light duty tool. Also The fact that Gerber haven't yet replace their cabide cutter design, don't expect them making improvement on this one.

my Gerber mp600 broken after 3 weeks of using. the wire cutters was too hard so it cracks like a glass.

For Gerber trying to go professionnal is great, not many manufacturers seems to go there, They either try to copy the leaders and make plier based multitools around mostly "camping" Also I'm not a fan of bit storage in a multitool. I prefer to have a bit kit and then I have let's say two mini tools. Like a pry tool / nail puller in one side and the other could be an hammer surface. I know an hammer surface isn't better than a proper hammer, but planting a little nail somewhere or strike a surface where you need an hammer, a multitool can come in handy.

Makes sense. But do you think the Jaws are any softer than a leatherman? Or is it just in comparison to the knipex?

@hunterglaspell

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. It’s all cast metal at the end of the day (minus the forged plates on the gerber). He didn’t try any jaw work with a leatherman. He used real specialized tools to compare to a multitool and it’s tools. The only exception was the file from the leatherman. I have fenced with my surge and royally effed up the pliers twisting fence clips. The teeth flattened hard from that.

@dsimon33871

Жыл бұрын

@@hunterglaspell From my limited experiences I have not seen a Leatherman that is more heavy duty... Some nuts need a vice grips, or a torque system. The only multi tool that I have experienced in a class by itself is the Victorinox, but I would not use it for heavy duty works anymore than any other multi... some poster above said it nicely: 'the price point means I can buy it again." I guess so would the warranty if it covered it...

Just received mine in black. Only complaints are the hash marks are impossible to read for the ruler, and had to loosen the piviot screws a tiny bit. I used a silver sharpie to fill in the ruler marks then rubbed off any excess ink on the surface. The external tools are a little stiff but loosen the nut 4-5 degrees will allow easier one-handed open. On the long run, the point of failure will probably be the bolt on the slip joint. As a hand tool, it will never fail if used for its intented purpose. But because we're men, and its only about 2mm of sheet metal around the hinge, I suspect using it for any banging or prying will warp the sheet metal quickly ruin the pliers. BTW the wire-cutting is silly. Because you need some play for the slip-joint to work, some wires especially stranded wires will be a pain. Its like cutting cloth using scissors with a loose hinge.

The ideas and the design of the Gerber tools are really innovative, only the quality of the components needs to be improved.

Basically an awesome tool to throw in a glove/tool box or pack if you don’t have the money for a LM or Victorinox. Especially when they are $55 right now!

@hyund9i

8 ай бұрын

got mine for $46 by signing up with new email. Hopefully its still available. I work with a lot of water hose fittings so i think this will be ideal for me. don't know if it will last though but want to try it.

@mukoshh

8 ай бұрын

@@hyund9i nice! Yeah just ordered mine, hopefully good enough to stay in rotation

Цей тул класичний Gerber, ті самі проблеми що й на більшості їхніх мультитулів) Дякую за чесну думку, це саме те, через що я дивлюся твій канал👍

@txtoolcrib

Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir.

@charlesheller5767

Жыл бұрын

Мне нравится видеть комментарии на русском языке.

Another good video, with honest and fair criticisms. Gerber is such a frustrating manufacturer, some great ideas and great functionality, just let down by poor steel choices and poor overall quality. I too wish that Gerber would up their quality to match their competitors and I agree that they could then corner certain niches in the multitool market

@dgunn4408

Жыл бұрын

Good insight. I always wanted to love Gerber MTs because *in concept* they are way cooler than the others contenders.. nobody is impressed when you unfold a Surge but damn that mp600 flick is dope! I've always been on a rigid budget with these tools, so I always end up with Leathermans because at least I know that if I end up not liking a Leatherman, it'll never be because it's made cheap.

The dual force could be a good project for modding like the "super surge"

I bought one of these and carried it for about 2 months at work(remodeling/construction/electric/plumbing)... I feel like my MP600 (needlenose or blunt nose) and my Diesel had better grip strength than the Dual Force and, in general, both the MP600s and Diesel seem to outperform the DF in every aspect (built in bit holder being the exception) so take this information how you will, but my recommendation is to stick with the MP600, Diesel, and Centerdrive.

I was seriously thinking of getting this Gerber ... not now! :(

I was hoping this would be a good edc. I was attracted to the driver but as much as I love my surge, it’s just too dam heavy. Guess I’ll go back to the wave and carry a dedicated driver. I just ordered the Steelman 10- in -1 folding pocket driver

@dsimon33871

Жыл бұрын

That steelman is great! Just put a bit of pluimng tape on the connector between the extender and base for sllipage when carrying, or, use a rounded magnetic driver for the second half.

Just submitted a warranty request on mine the bit holders have gone completely loose and spin freely and the slip joint is jammed on narrow and can't slip wide, I do equipment maintenance and have to crawl around and lay on concrete and I think i must have deformed the multilayer jaw I have when back to my center drive.

I think I want to cut more aggressive teeth into the pliers...won't fix hardness of the steel. But may help with grip

What tool are you using @ 0:54 ??

@txtoolcrib

Жыл бұрын

The Knipex Pliers Wrench, they make a range of sizes. amzn.to/3pJGWs0

Can gerber do anything right?

I have the truss and the blade doesn't stay sharp long at all and is a big issue. I can tell the materials are cheaper in general. I always went for gerber multitools since i was young but i think it's time for me to upgrade.

@xlilnetx

Жыл бұрын

What tool did u upgrade too or did u give your gerber another chance

I wish Leatherman would make a “tradesmen” line similar to this for us blue collar workers.

So cool to see comments here in Russian. Ben, you bring out hard working people the world over! Мне нравится видеть комментарии на русском языке. Бен, ты выводишь трудолюбивых людей по всему миру!

@Nas_Atlas

Жыл бұрын

There's only thing I want to hear from ruzzians and its Slava Ukraini!!

"Dear Leatherman...please fix this lol"

I have to agree not trying to squeeze it in more “tools” that very few people will ever use is the enemy of a better tool. I only really want 4(knife, pliers, saw screw driver). Nearly everything else is a waist for me on a multi-tool. Thanks for letting me know the steal was not on par in this review

@idontno0

Жыл бұрын

The rest is extra. You're at a party and someone needs a bottle opener or a can opened, you got em. Or someone else comes up and needs a wire stripped, you got one. Someone else comes up and says they need their wife stripped, you got em, cause you have a multi tool.

@RealHankShill

11 ай бұрын

and scissors

Looks like a Knipex came to the rescue on that bolt. 😆 (At least it looked that way)

@txtoolcrib

Жыл бұрын

For sure

I just recently purchased one of these. I'm a bit of an adventure Motorcycle rider, so will only need to be used for any emergency repair work, in the middle of nowhere. For me, I think it will suite the task.

Bro, so a multi tool being a Jack of all trades will never excel at all tasks. This is a trade off we are all well aware of.

I am subscribed and dinged that bell but I dont get notifications for new videos,not even silent notifications...stupid youtube...

I’ve got to disagree with this, I have used mine all year in the shop and no damage to the pliers at all. I work in a sheet metal shop and use my pliers for everything, I had to switch from the surge because I almost broke my surge pliers twisting a piece of steel the Gerber pliers are incredibly strong. I’ve carried leatherman multi tool for almost 20 years and now it my after work light duty tool.

Gerber = Mystery Metal

Gerber has cool designs, they just suck at execution, especially compared to Leatherman, bought this tool today, first and last Gerber multi tool I'll ever own

There problem with Gerber great designs but poor execution in quality and materials. Especially when it comes to overseas stuff. Leatherman and Victorinox are definatly the leaders in the field right now.

The steel of Gerber centerdrive Is much more hard than leatherman steel on pliers, pliers pivot and frames. If Gerber pliers steel Is bad, leatherman pliers steel Is worst

Your dragging a file backwards, that's unfair to both.

Gerber is a pass for me all the way around. No surprise here.

i have them all they just making trash for a high price its almost 2023 and this is the best they can do all of them is a waste of money the knipex cobras and the pliers is where i am at now and i packed away all of them i have but i keep the surge on deck for the saw

Gerber's at it again... Innovative or just plain smart designs thrown in the shitter because of how terrible their quality is.

It's a multi tool ...so ya...heavy duty use is not in its DNA duh

nothing from gerber comes out of the factory sharp..... nothing

Gerber is the Taurus firearms of multi tools. Great ideas poorly executed.

why would anyone use Pliers, especially cheap POS multitool pliers instead of the proper tool (A wrench or socket wrench to loosen, tighten, remove a bolt ????? Pliers, perhaps the next to most worthless tool ever are not for that purpose.... the only pliers wroth a damn are channel locks and even they fall short. ALL MULTI TOOL PLIERS are worthless...........

Your video really stinks? I don't want to hear about the leather man. The whole entire time. I watched it to hear an honest opinion about a product. Stop pushing your propaganda.

I would love to pay and extra $30-$40 for it to become domestic. I absolutely love my Center Drive, it’s one of my favorite multi tools. The Dual Force needs to be made stateside!