People expect multi tools to be as good as purpose built industrial equipment, when I use mine it's as an emergency make do, until I can get to my tool's. I think people's expectations of these things are too high and a lot of reviews place too much emphasis on the fact that their shortcomings. Good review 👍🇬🇧

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

Very true.

@Drownedinblood

2 жыл бұрын

Imo people forget that they are meant to be a mobile convenient tool box to do pretty general tasks, not to build a house with. It's just convenient to have but I guess company marketing needed to keep pushing them as replacements.

@virgilbarnett3770

6 ай бұрын

I agree with you all on this. Every time I watch a multitool review and listen to the reviewer about how it didn’t do perfect on every task thrown at it I think to myself, don’t they realize these things are only for emergencies and do not replace actual industrial tools? They’re not a mobile tool chest meant to tear down an engine or build a house with. 😂

If an hvac guy, electrical dude, or a plumber says they have good grip, then they have good grip.

I used my dual force for commercial plumbing maintenance and repair. I cannot tell you how useful the thing is and how often I don’t need to go into my tool box to do little things like tighten packing nuts or use the screw driver. I swapped out the small flathead but for a torx bit I use on Chicago faucets. Great review and saw some other uses for it!

@hvacbudget8600

Жыл бұрын

Great to hear it's working well for you!

I do internal hvac service at an industrial plant, I just got one of these last week, and I'm super impressed with it so far. The pliers are excellent for removing charging port caps in a pinch when I don't have my wrenches on hand. I've used it for tightening/loosening pipe fittings, nipples, and air hose fittings, also even used it to loosen a regulator off a nitrogen bottle. The knife blade and screwdriver work just as well as what I used to carry. (milwaukee razor) I was surprised by the functionality of the saw and chisel, as I used them to remove a stubborn pvc 90 on a broken condensate drain. I will say the biggest letdown for me is the wire cutters/strippers. But I didn't have high expectations for those to begin with

@hvacbudget8600

9 ай бұрын

Very cool! Glad to hear it has worked out great for you!

Was gifted one recently. Plier head broke on the first use right in front of the guy who gave it to me. I was literally just trying to disconnect a hose from a pressure washer. The guy who gave it to me felt so bad that he went and got his money back on the Dual-Force and ordered me a Leatherman Surge. At the suggestion of one of your fellow KZreadrs, I grabbed a couple on sale for $55 each and my brother and I will be putting them to work. My brother will use his around the ranch we grew up on and under the hoods of cars to mi.ic an emergency roadside repair. Mine will be used at work, in the woods, and around the house. We'll see if that one was just a fluke or if there are a bunch of bad ones out there. We'll be reporting our results to the guy who suggested giving the tool another shot

@hvacbudget8600

9 ай бұрын

Let me know how it works out!!

@dualsportedc

9 ай бұрын

@@hvacbudget8600 my hopes aren't high for it given my initial experience but we will see for sure. You got an IG?

@ChooseLife.YourLife

Ай бұрын

Do you have an assessment yet

@dualsportedc

Ай бұрын

@@ChooseLife.YourLife broke 3 of them

nice product. looking forward to see and get this one here in my country

You should definitely try the Blackfire and do a comparison

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

I have the Klein predecessor to the Blackfire and I can't make myself like them. The Blackfire looks better but last I checked it was out of stock on Amazon as a single unit and it's labeled discontinued on the Blackfire website unfortunately. Maybe I'll have to get the Blackfire combo with the flashlight and contrast the two. Good idea!

@maxlvledc

2 жыл бұрын

@@hvacbudget8600 really?? That sucks..

Definitely has potential. Several of the flaws could be fixed simply by making it in house instead of overseas

@ianstiehl1994

10 ай бұрын

I wouldn't necessarily. USA doesn't automatically mean quality. Look at Spyderco. The knives made in Taichung, Taiwan beat out their US ones on quality control.

@dualsportedc

10 ай бұрын

@@ianstiehl1994 what knives are you getting? My PM2 would cut any of the foreign made Spydercos I own (including the Taichung ones) in half as if their "steel" was made of butter

Nice review, I am also an hvac tech. I could see me carrying this multitool for quick jobs when I don't want to carry in a large tool bag. Cheers 🇨🇦

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Just used it to change a capacitor, contactor and surge protector. Worked pretty good!

I get frustrated with all the needle nose multi tools. This looks great.

It has a knife so anyone with skill can always strip wires with them 😂

I despise walking around to get specific tools (thus why I carry a good multitool) so I find I just use wire cutters in a set of pliers to strip wire insulation. With a bit of practice I find that this is pretty effective. So my guess would be that the wire cutters could be used to strip insulation. For me, the difficulty would be getting used to the wire cutters being on the handle side of the pivot rather than out the front. As always, thanks for a great video.

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I have heard several people strip wire like you mentioned. These wire stripers are definitely thicker than many on other multi-tools, but I'm sure you probably could do that.

Just an FYI, I ground the driver arm flat and square for a much better 1/4" driver tool. Did it on both my center drive and dual force....works great!!

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic! Great to hear the feedback!

thank's for your review

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Certainly has potential. Only negative aspect would be the size, as long as you have big enough hands that's not going to negatively affect you. but you're like me and you have small hands, that's going to be a big issue. Still, Gerber has balls to innovate.

I think I would sharpen the teeth of the pliers but that probably doesn't matter too much in actual use. I was a big fan of the center drive for the driver. Having two extra bit slots on board the dual force is putting great use to what would be empty space. Because you mentioned Leatherman, I think it would be a fantastic idea if they would make an electricians wire cutter on a juice frame or similar sized multi-tool.

@hvacbudget8600

Жыл бұрын

Great idea!

Great video I work on boilers and I can see the value of these.

@hvacbudget8600

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Real test of cutters is cutting stranded wire not solid core. Are the pliers big enough to loosen and tighten garden hose/washing machine which is the number one plumbing pipe most people have to deal with. Also are the cutters wide enough to nibble through thick wire or heavy plastic hosing or other larger materials....

Petsonally i am a BIG FAN of LEATHERMAN i have NONE of Gerber But this one looks amazingly cool

@hvacbudget8600

9 ай бұрын

It is pretty cool!

I’m an electrician and while I wouldn’t swop out my purpose built tools; I have used my Leatherman Wave in a pinch, to cut and strip wire as well as to drive screws. While I started out, years ago, carrying a Gerber multi-tool I have long switches to Leatherman and just live my Waves; I’ll say in owning both that both companies stand behind their products as I’ve broke both brands and have never had an issue getting them replaced, with Leatherman actually replacing my old Waves with the new model Waves. While I can’t speak to Gerber Leatherman is great with the Military and have actually replaced blown up tools, something that I imagine most brands wouldn’t do, Benchmade is also known for their great Military warranty replacements.

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

Nice to hear how well the warranty works!

A multi tool should include a 10mm...thats what all dudes really want. lol

Seems like the wire cutter is definitely limited to smaller wire. Definitely not a bad thing, but showcases that a proper tool is needed for larger tasks. What are your thoughts on this tool so far?

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

I think it has added potential with the slip joint pliers to manipulate larger metal objects, but the Leatherman Surge will still outshine it in several areas. Like you said it will be limited in some areas. But I still think it's a big step forward for Gerber, not perfect but definitely much better than some of Gerber's multi tool s of the past.

@hunterglaspell

2 жыл бұрын

@@hvacbudget8600 i agree. How do you like the saw after using it?

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

@@hunterglaspell I like the saw but it is thicker than the Leatherman Surge for instance. So the Surge's saw is only 2/3 the thickness of the DualForce. I would guess the Surge will look like it's cutting faster because it's cutting less of a width in the wood. It's not necessarily a bad thing in the DualForce just again hard to compare exactly to something else because it's different dimensions.

@Drownedinblood

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much meant more for stuff that's closer to a coat hanger. I never seen anyone use pliers to cut something like a nail off...

Does it bother you that the Dual Force doesn't close flush and widens in a V- formation? I used the wire cutters on my Leatherman Super Tool 300 to cut tie wire today. Very effective. My first multitool with cutters integrated on the handles. Tie wire is the most dense material I've had to cut with a multitool. Smoky Mountain Knife Works sold the Dual Force at $79.99 before it sold out. I seen that somewhere advised and looked myself. I thought the Dual Force would sell for $110 but they must have bought a massive amount of bulk. I have to say for the cost, of the multitool the sheath looks flimsy and thin. Definitely could of gave you a nice ballistic nylon sheath similar to Leatherman's. This is the only multitool you can use for a year, and then see if it compares to the Super Tool 300 or more notably the Surge for it strength. Do you think you could do that, I bet not, haha! You love your multitool so I think the pressure would get to you haha! So lets say Gerber's Dual is the heavy duty tool for them, Surge for Leatherman. Has SOG came out with something they would consider heavy duty or competes with the other two titans?

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

The Dualforce closing doesn't really bother me because it slides into the pouch and carries well. The wobble at the handle ends is definitely different. I want to carry it for awhile before I decide how ok or bad that is. The sheath is ok for at least casual carry. I scuff both the Leatherman Surge Leather pouch up and the SOG Powerlock leather pouch up pretty bad in just a couple weeks time. I bought a nylon pistol pouch to use as a multi-tool holder on ebay and ruined it within about a month, so we'll see how well this holds up. Yeah.. it would be really hard to carry the Dualforce exclusively. I will try to carry it for a month or so for work. I have been carrying SOG's Powerlock for work before the Dualforce came but it definitely is not in the same league as the Surge. I don't think SOG has anything truly Heavy Duty. I would put the Powerlock more up against the Rebar or Bond. I have come to appreciate the Powerlock much more than I used to but I'm still not sure about it's toughness, but I would definitely say it's the toughest they have for now.

I wonder 🤔. If you use it for a .25 inch drive, how long will it take to round out? What if the end was shaved off just a bit to make it less beveled on the inside?

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure if it will round out. As far as shaving it down, I think that might affect how securely the bit is held. The bit driver is bent so when it is extended it is at the right angle to be centrally situated. I think that is why the bit driver end is offset.

@tikofthetoka5650

2 жыл бұрын

@@hvacbudget8600 yeah, I was thinking just about 1/16 of an inch or so off the entry for the bit.

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

@@tikofthetoka5650 That might work. I'd be interested if you do it, to see if you feel like it helps. The modding community has done some great things.

What gauge of wire is that 1st thick red wire you cut?

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

It was 14 gauge.

Only issue I've had is cutting stranded wire😔 pretty disappointed in its performance other than that I've loved mine also I believe the top one is a hardwire cutter but I could be wrong

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

I’m still impressed with that blunt plier head, although I was corrected about them. I had no idea that Gerber has been producing those for a fairly long time as I just plain missed ‘em. I have their first multi tool and it isn’t exactly a needle nose, but it’s not exactly blunt pliers either. I guess it’s more of modified needle nose or blunted needle nose, because it’s nowhere near the shape of that one. I guess I’ve just missed a lot of Gerber offerings. I still like that model enough to get one.

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

It is unique in today's multi tool world! I like it.

A multi tool. Is a multi tool, not to be confused with using a set of dedicated tradesman tools, what some of you guys ask of these is ridiculous, I have a roll pouch for attic work, or under the house, I have a tech kit for inside, at no point do I expect a pocket knife to do what each of these kits do, multi tools are used for fishing, hiking, outdoors, I have one I carry, have one in each vehicle, they're great for their INTENDED purposes. And FYI, as to quality the mp 600 in it's multiple configurations have been on numerous deployments with myself and a multitude of others in the 82nd, and has never failed, broken, nor bent.

@hvacbudget8600

Жыл бұрын

Good to hear how good the MP600 has been!

I know I may just have been very very unlucky... buy in the past 3 months I've bought LM surge... rattles when closed.... bad plier alignment..sent back... SOG powelock... loose tools ... frame seemed twisted...sent back. ! Lastly Victorinox Spirit X... main blade loose when opened side to side movement... sent back ... all of these tools were so called high end ones. I just bought a daft cheapy aldi one £7:99 YES I know the quality will be NOWHERE near but guys all the tools lock up rock solid. I'm done with all these so called top brands. All mine were BRAND new never used never carried never even saw the outdoors !!

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

I have had some instances similar but not as bad. That's partly why one of my first reviews was on the Bibury multitool 21 in 1 that worked pretty good. Hopefully you have better success.

@Horde334

2 жыл бұрын

Next time buy your tools in person cause it seems like your picking sellers that are out there to rip people off cause cause the victorinox and the leatherman should've been fine out of the box as for the sog they aren't even worth the packaging they come in they're notoriously shitty quality.

I've had mine since november and i am not really impressed with the theeth on the plier head.they need to be sharper and possibly a harder metal. The file isn't that great either

Don't think that's a wire stripper

My grand pappy toeld me goodth foor puling twooth out to .

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Lol.

I normally enjoy your reviews but this one had me cringing. The metal demo, rough. Sawing, didn't seem to cut well at all. Chisel, looked like you were going to stab your hand. The wire cutter you liked didn't even cut the last wire. Nothing bad really to say about it? How about the big steps /gaps at the tip of the plier head, that doesnt bother anyone? The end of the 1/4 is angled/ not flat for nut driving? Huge unessary finger hole in the file, and incomplete file surface on it is ok? I initially wanted to love it too, but it has a lot of dumb mistakes. How about a honest review, you sounded like their salesman.

@hvacbudget8600

2 жыл бұрын

I will definitely take your feedback into consideration. What would you prefer to see different in testing the Dualforce with metal?

@lifewasting

2 жыл бұрын

@@hvacbudget8600 Its a pliers, so nuts and bolts, maybe backed up by a wrench. Compress and free a lock washer with 2 nuts on a bolt. Use the plier head to remove a stripped or broken off Philip's screw out of wood. Smear some black grease on the pliers, or put the head in gunk to show how much fun all the mechanics will have cleaning it off each time they use it. There is never a time a hvac person will ever be using those pliers on sheet metal though, you should know that. Lol! Also critique the obvious flaws, unless it s paid endorsement, then whatever.

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Having a hand saw on a multi tool? Can’t think of anything more worthless to carry 🤣 give me something cool like a marlin spike!

@timwingers

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@HOOSH69

2 жыл бұрын

I'm totally with u on that @septizzle, but a few years ago I was on my way home late one night and I live on a long country road. A big tree limb was down across the road and too big/awkward to drag/move. I ended up using my leatherman wave to cut 3 of the upper branches that were about as fat as my wrist so I could drive around it and get home. (I had to take a dump so bad and wouldn't have got home in time if it weren't for that junk ass little saw) I just had to tell u about that because it's hilarious that I can actually verify that a saw was useful and may have saved me from a shitty night... lolololol!!!

@Drownedinblood

2 жыл бұрын

You must be on a boat a lot to find a marlin spike more useful than a saw. Personally they should bring back the remgrit universal attachment for a carbide saw or whatever else will fit that spot.