Refusing To Play Transgender Opponent: Women's Pool Player Speaks Out
The world of professional sports is no stranger to controversies, and the latest one brewing in the world of pool is causing quite a stir. The issue at hand involves the inclusion of transgender and non-binary players in female pool competitions, leading to a debate between gender inclusivity and fairness in sports. Jo Hobday, a seasoned pool player and England Ladies B1 captain, sheds light on the contentious topic and shares her perspective on the matter.
Jo Hobday has been playing pool since the age of nine and has risen through the ranks to become a prominent figure in the pool community. Having played at local, county, and national levels, Jo has a deep understanding of the intricacies of the sport and the importance of a level playing field for all competitors.
The recent legal action taken by Harriet Haynes against the English Blackball Pool Federation (EBPF) has sparked a conversation about the guidelines set forth by the UK sports guidance for gender inclusion in sports.
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I’m a male. You are spot on girl. This rubbish need’s to stop before all sport is destroyed
@TheByard
2 ай бұрын
If I had bought a ticket to watch a male or female pool match, and the promoters had offered up something else then I would want my money back. Surly this is false advertising.
@ricochet2977
2 ай бұрын
These male players aren’t in it for the enjoyment of the sport, they’re in it to win trophies because they can’t win trophies in the male category.
this lady should not have to explain why a biological male should not take part in female sport, it just shouldnt happen full stop!
@pablosskates7067
2 ай бұрын
It kills me she even needs to explain her point of view.
@hatesitrick
2 ай бұрын
there is no physical advantage in pool though - how uneducated do you need to be? think about what you're saying. It's not football. It's pool. I play it competitively
@ricochet2977
2 ай бұрын
@@hatesitrick You obviously didn’t bother watching the video where she explains the difference’s.
@stuartyaxley6689
2 ай бұрын
@@ricochet2977 She's talking bollox if she thinks men have an advantage. When I played County juniors it was boys and girls. I even got spanked 3-0 by one girl. She played for England and had a manager and 2 coaches with her, damn she was good.
@ricochet2977
2 ай бұрын
@@stuartyaxley6689 So basically she was brilliant and you were 💩 not sure why you’re telling me that?
Bravo to her for refusing to bow down to this insanity. More women like her need to do the same thing if women want to keep their category sports alive.🎉🎉🎉
@TheByard
Ай бұрын
If they want to compete in a pool tournament, why not do it in a men's game dressed as a woman.
I’m with you 100%. Well done for standing up for women in sport.
@truthfortots3288
2 ай бұрын
Refusing To Play Male Opponent: Women's Pool Player Speaks Out The issue at hand involves the inclusion of male players in female pool competitions
@karenpeel8520
2 ай бұрын
I agree....
@Fennecfoxesshow
4 күн бұрын
@@truthfortots3288it's literally pool, men don't have an advantage over women in pool it's not like they are playing basketball or boxing
Well done you. If a man puts on a dress and a wig and walks into a Women's changing room, saying he identifies as a woman, the women there identify him as a man. It is not transphobic to be frightened of this man. It is sensible.
@dyoung1492
2 ай бұрын
precisely and it's allowing bad things to happen through this loophole and when a loophole is created, the bad actors will always take it.
Woman = Adult human female
@NickyM_0
2 ай бұрын
It’s that simple.
The contempt I feel for a fellow male abusing women's sport , personal spaces and protections is 100 %. Weak populations worldwide have let this happen, basic biology and common sense is now ignored only thing we can do is refuse too accept the bs ourselves.
@Warriorking.1963
2 ай бұрын
Totally agree! However, and this lady clearly isn't included in this, but I also hold any female who agrees to play these men in a ladies sporting event, responsible. If they refused to play along with this madness, the governing bodies would soon put a stop to this.
@NickyM_0
2 ай бұрын
@@Warriorking.1963 Totally agree! It’s frustrating to watch these women and girls actually participating! Their titles ‘automatically’ taken and broken bones incurred in some sports! What’s the point?
@meanlean3095
2 ай бұрын
The men have bigger skeletons, are stronger & have bigger lung capacity so I see why women need their own leagues in sports like this 😂😂😂
@McLovin1759
2 ай бұрын
Meh. You ignore basic biology when you think that there are only XX and XY folks in the world.
Well done to that wonderful woman for standing up to this utter madness.👏
As a male with no interest in female sports or in fact sports in general, I salute you Jo for standing up for what is right.
@Michael-iw3ek
2 ай бұрын
That's unfortunate, lots of female sports are very interesting. Why, just a few weeks ago I spent over an hour watching women playing beach volleyball.
Well done huge respect for this lady 👏👏...more people need to stand up against this total BS
Totally agree. Trans gender players should be playing in an open category and not in the female category. Biological sex matters.
@nakkadu
2 ай бұрын
Sex. No need to say "biological" sex.
I can’t believe that you are having to have this conversation. Thank you for being so brave and putting yourself at risk in order to protect women in sport. No one can argue with biology, though they keep trying. The only fair way to deal with this is to make it law that Transgenders play in their own biological category. This utter madness must be stopped as women and girls are getting seriously hurt. Thank you for your voice.
Fairness in womens only sport means no men. Its that simple.
Affected or NOT women want their space in sport as always. Such a shame these ladies have to explain .. say NO
Well said Jo. Thank you for having the courage to speak out in defence of women against the cheats.
When my athletic 10yo daughter, on the way to a training session that she absolutely loves, asks " _Daddy, do you think I should keep training when a boy in a dress is going to beat me anyway?_ ", it really brought this evil perversion home for me.
@tictactoe325
2 ай бұрын
Please let your daughter know that us genetic women are standing up for you. I’m of a certain vintage and fought against discrimination against women that we experienced right throughout the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. We will still keep fighting for you and other young women like you. Please don’t give up, we are proudly on your wing.
@sharonaird4748
2 ай бұрын
i dont believe for a second that your 10yr old made that statement...!
@NickyM_0
2 ай бұрын
@@sharonaird4748 Why don’t you?
@vasaliferis
2 ай бұрын
@@NickyM_0 because she's too immature to talk like that being 10 years old. but mature enough to decide to change gender and everybody should listen and accept that. madness!!!!! i bet sharonaird4748 would believe that in a second
@helentratford3936
2 ай бұрын
Really ? smh I’m guessing by the response your not a parent of a 10 year old child or any child for that matter 🙄 a child of 6 upwards could ask that question !
Good for you Jo Hobday, and respect to you!
Well done you for standing up for real women in women’s sport.
His name is not HARRIET HE IS NOT A WOMAN
It’s just astounding that we are having to explain that ‘categories’ are by definition ‘exclusive’. No-one has the right to be ‘included’ in everything. The irrational entitlement, gaslighting and tantrums that has been inflicted on every day society needs to stop. That Politicians and law-makers have engaged in this nonsense instead of regulatory bodies simply taking a common-sense approach and just creating another category from the start, has been beyond my comprehension.
Well done, lady. Males can only support you if you stand up for yourselves. Big you up.
Props to her for speaking out about this ridiculous ideology
Fantastic and thank you for standing up against this wanton madness and desecration of womens' sports. You have done a wonderful thing for my sporty girls - my wife and my daughter. Cheers from Australia - Dave
Hats off to this lady👍
Thank Jo, for taking the stand. You are standing up for women in all sport. 👏👏👏👏
@McLovin1759
2 ай бұрын
That wasn’t quite her point. She said it was unfair for trans women to compete based on longer arms and fingers. She also cited “stamina” Be careful if that’s the criteria as that could lead to a ban on all women over 6’ and/or anyone who has a higher VO2 Max based on them being fit.
@johnnunn8688
2 ай бұрын
@@McLovin1759don’t be ridiculous.
@johnnunn8688
2 ай бұрын
She is and well done to her. Look up Riley Gaines, swimmer, she’s doing the same thing.
@McLovin1759
2 ай бұрын
@@johnnunn8688 I just quoted her. If you think it’s ridiculous, your issue is with the position you are both taking.
@nakkadu
2 ай бұрын
@@McLovin1759yes, she didn't need to say all that as I don't even think they're the reasons males out perform females in pool. We don't even need to analyse the reasons ....we know that males out-perform females at pool for whatever reason, so allowing trans women (males) to compete against women (females) is inherently unfair.
Go go go! Well done this lady for taking such a stand for women! Your a hero! ❤
1 It's absurd we have to discuss this. 2 non binary is contradictory in terms because a system is binary or it isn't (and it will have a different name . no thing as non-binary then) 3 they always see only the competition. what about the training? a woman has to train a whole year dealing with being a female (period or menopause) something a man will never have: suddent cramps, nausea, overall fatigue or pain, low blood pressure, literally bleeding out, migrains etc 4 everyone who sides with trans INSTEAD of women, knows exactly who the men's are. It's simply mysoginy 2.0
Its a women's competition. Let the person prove their gender by presenting DNA results. Anything else is window dressing. Playing pool, solo, 5yrs ago, a man asked if he could also play, his friend sat down and watched us After a few shots he sank the black ball, didn't say' oops" just kept playing, thinking I was not aware of the rules. I muttered '' guess we still have a game''. So, I really concentrated, I won, his jaw dropped, boy! the look on his face! and his friend. Jo Hobday is a legend, and Harriet Haynes is on her way to that status.
🤔🤔 Why is it that nonbinary, transwomen, and transmen go to the women's side of things
@user-jojo29
2 ай бұрын
Curious isn't it?
@johnnunn8688
2 ай бұрын
It’s a mystery .
Good on you, thank you for standing up for femalez🎉
Separate leagues separate toilets well done for standing up for women
Well done. We are all sick of this crap. Everyone needs to speak up about this rubbish whether it’s at work or in any other place. Men need to speak up too.
@loganblackwood2922
2 ай бұрын
Men have been speaking up against this for decades and tone policed to death with endless accusations of misogyny. If women are equal, play on an equal footing.
It is so shameful that you and other female born sports women have to go through these struggles. It is always the biological women who are disadvantaged as trans-women use their male traits to win at all costs. Funny how trans-women don't want to compete against trans and non-binary competitors. You deserve much applause for your stand as difficult and insulting as the situation is, you have shown what a true sports woman you are. It is not being transphobic standing up for yourself and for Women's Pool regardless of the weak argument they present. Most people are not transphobic but retain the common sense that when it comes to sport people need to swim in their own lane.
I agree with her 100%. Thank you for speaking up and doing the right thing.
I bet “Harriet” does not sign up for the open category.
@clairhonnor6211
2 ай бұрын
No validation in that
I didn’t realise before watching this that there is such a big physical advantage for males in playing pool. She is right well said.
@wonderingworld119
2 ай бұрын
There isn't. It isn't like basket ball. Ask yourself do pool and snooker players seem super tall or super strong? The differences are mostly social ones. Men have a lot more opportunities to play. Because of this it means that more men actually do play. So the best is from a larger pool of players, which in turn means that they are really very good. Conversely because no where near as many women play, they really do not have to be very good. Female leagues and competitions exist as a way to fix the balance, and encourage more women to play, therefore growing the pool of players.
@Drew-Dastardly
2 ай бұрын
I would say there is a physical advantage but also very much a brain and sight advantage. It is an absolute fact that on average males are more spatially aware than females. This is just because of evolution and the roles of men and women for 100,000's of years vs the last 5 years of insanity. Men tend to have a logical and strategy advantage too which is important in games like snooker and pool (because of hunting). It's like chess. There is no physical advantage at all in that game, but we have female chess tournaments because even the most middling female chess player would absolutely wipe me (as a man) off the board in 3 minutes, but they are no match at all for any for the male Grandmasters.
@johnnunn8688
2 ай бұрын
@@wonderingworld119you didn’t watch the video, did you?
@Guitar387
2 ай бұрын
@@Drew-Dastardly very good point 👍
@wonderingworld119
2 ай бұрын
@@johnnunn8688Yea, and I have and do play pool, and I have never ever witnessed the "advantage" of tall long fingered players. Have you? Now some sports there is. I mentioned basketball, as did the video. If you live in USA and are 7ft tall then your chances of becoming a professional basket ball player are 1 in 7, which is a phenomenal advantage. But I play pool, I have played against people of all shapes and sizes, it is not like basketball and I have beat tall people and been beaten by short fatties with stubby fingers. In fact when you watch pro pool, most of them are short fatties lol. And let's not even talk of the invasion of excellent players from that well known giant producing country of China where everyone is tall. I think some people should stop believing things because they saw someone say it on a video and actually start using their own eyes about what they actually see around them. One persons anecdote does not change your world, no matter how easy it is to change your perception of your world.
Well done! We need more people to take this stand but the men players need to support you with this
Harriet is actually "Harry".
It's amazing we need to re-invent something we already had in place. The female category. It's like re-inventing the wheel all over again and having debates and legal cases wheater it should be square or round like we had _no_ clue. 🙈 Chesterton's fence!
Sounds like common sense to me, certainly a better argument than the alphabet people could muster which always involves suspending reality.
Fairness and inclusivity are not incompatible. It's so disgusting that women have to take this on out of their own pockets.
Voice of reason. Go girl
@gruunt4064
2 ай бұрын
think you mean Cis woman now 😀
@truthfortots3288
2 ай бұрын
Refusing To Play Male Opponent: Women's Pool Player Speaks Out The issue at hand involves the inclusion of male players in female pool competitions ...
@chrisphillips7470
2 ай бұрын
Lmao @@truthfortots3288
@clairhonnor6211
2 ай бұрын
@@gruunt4064no such thing. Cis implies that there are more than one kind of woman or man. There isn't.
@ronaldmead7643
2 ай бұрын
@@gruunt4064 No he means woman. There is no cis woke garbage
Enjoyed watching and listening Jo! For me, using the language and terminology of the males wanting to cheat in women’s sport and depriving females of a place by participating in tournaments puts you at a disadvantage - these men are trans-identifying males imposing themselves on same-sex competitions to the detriment of females. Change will happen because of the Lynne’s and Kim’s and Jo’s - great to see more women speaking out
Well done - huge respect and support
Well done for standing against this cowardly insanity 👏
Those in charge are cowards and the players suffer for it.
Every sport that allows this madness need’s boycotting. 👍
Well done for speaking out and standing your ground.👍
good on you... there should be 3 catagories.... womens, mens and they/thems .
All sports women should follow your example. You are 💯 percent right. Well done you
Well done Jo for taking a stand against what is, effectively, cheating women out of their achievements.
Time for the trans to have their own category. They should respect women's rights!
@johnnunn8688
2 ай бұрын
No, they should play against their biological sex. A new category takes away money from normal people.
Bravery!!!! Well dont for stepping up, starting to put an end to this men playing against women!!!!! I salute you!!!!!🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
Welldone loads of respect 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Well done to you, you were absolutely right to refuse, in the end that is the only way this disgusting injustice will end. Men playing in female sports is cheating, it is mostly grossly unfair, and it is always wrong. We need a couple of million more like you.
Well done you.
Well done so very proud of you this needs to be stopped or there is no need for women divisions at all , if male born people can enter female born women’s sport no point in separate categorys
This inclusive tripe that the world is being mentally forced to do is affecting aspects of everybody who doesn't agree.
Jo Hobday, keep speaking up. You rock!
Well said. Enough of this nonsense now. Stay in your lane.
Thankyou Jo, for taking this stand.
Thankyou! For standing up to this madness, thats what everyone needs to do to stop the crap!
Well done, I hope a lot more women follow your lead
It's shameful the governing bodies for various sports are not taking the initiative and leaving the legwork to the players and individuals to institute rules and regulations for their sport
It is a shame that this lady has to spend this time on the subject of a man playing in the womans sport. It seems that the tide is turning on the subject, becoming less woke. Nice.
Well spoken and many people love you for standing up.
This happened a few days ago also, where Kim o Brien forfeited the final against Harriet in the European final 👍
Good on you!!!! ❤👏👏👏👏
World is a really bad joke at the moment.
The women standing up to this madness are heroics. But it is tragic that they need to do it in the first place.
We need more poeple like Jo in this world, we should ALL report these women only events that have men competing to the trading standards, especially if you paid for tickets.
Everyone should take a stance on this. Well done.
You're a real woman madam, and a true warrior! I so wish I could shake your hand! Far more people need to be like you, both women and the cowardly men who also stay silent for fear of labels/backlash. This cult is far more dangerous to the plight of women than men have ever been.
Well, by not playing him, kinda makes their win pointless. Hope they realise this fact.
Brave woman
womens cricketers to get the same money as the men in the hundred and international matches , just after this announcement they banned 'trans' from top level competition, hummm
Absolutely we have to fight against this madness
Well done to you, Jo. Commonsense prevails at the pool table. 👍
Calm, collective and reasoned, well done. Why any of this has gone on as long as it has, beggers belief. Three categories, male , female and trans, very fricking simple.
Well done ❤what you did it took a lot of courage keep the faith😊
Good we have to stand up to this nonsense
Jo spoke very well. She just wants females to be able to compete on a level playing field and she is not trying to humiliate anybody.
KEEP THE LADY BALLERS OUT OF WOMES SPORT
Like I've always said, if women stood together from the first, you wouldn't of had to stand alone. Shouldn't of ever of got this far and now I don't care, move on no news here.
I stand with thee, protect women's sports!!
no drugging needs to be discussed. This is great for girls and women everywhere...lets watch the cards fall over.
I'm 67 and still playing competitive pool so don't write yourself off and keep up the good fight sister!
Well done! I loved what you did when I saw it online! Bloody brilliant:)
What a strong lady, hope young girls/ladies take this as inspiration.
What a great interview.
I was wondering what advantage he would have over you. I thought this is all about skill. But you have enlightened me with your explanation. Thank you.
there are other sports with an open division and a female division rather than male and female, solves all the issues but we know they won't go for that, it is all about fairness, we have the Paralympics with literally dozens of categories to ensure fairness, we have boxers weighing in naked to show they aren't a few ounces over, athletes tested for over the counter nasal sprays that might give an advantage
@mr.miller5041
2 ай бұрын
Yes, I'm sure pool is one of them. It's probably perfectly fine for this person to play with the men as a woman.
@emperorsnewclothes9405
2 ай бұрын
the strange thing is the 'trans' don't want to play in a competition they can't win.
I don't understand the point of separation if it's not honored if you have leagues based on gender its pretty unfair to let dudes with an identity issue be there because they feel it'd be easier personally I've played lots of decent male and female players I've never felt there was too much of an advantage on my side as its skill based and really ok yea guys have stronger breaks but I don't automatically win games because it's a girl playing against me Both my parents played competitively and I still have trouble against either of them totally agree with her stance on the issue though and it sucks to be forced to forfeit
The utmost respect to you, absolutely brilliant. If only more would follow suit.
As a male I only ever played pool in bars and with many women at a casual level and enjoyed it. I would often win despite being inebriated as we all were. It's good fun. Same with darts. However I would never join a women's even amateur level darts or pool team simply because the entry requirements bar me and I do not understand how any man other than a pervert wants to invade women's sports.
@saffy565
2 ай бұрын
Without going too deep into it, some of the men who want to be women are resentful of real women which is why they can't just leave the women alone. It's a form of mysogyny.
Good for her.
Fantastic woman!!!
With you 100% . Men trouncing all over women's sport is obscene.
Sports should just be male (XY) and female (XX) division. A lot of transgender women say “we just want to play!” But if they are asked to compete in their biological gender, they complain…
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