Shady Belle and Guarma messed Arthur up the worst. He was instructed to go somewhere warm and dry by the doctor. Both of those areas are VERY humid

@LukeLoureiro-um4em

Ай бұрын

Ironically the place that suits that Is horseshoe overlook 😭

@thesilentassassin1167

Ай бұрын

Beechers Hope would’ve been perfect for him

@LukeLoureiro-um4em

Ай бұрын

@@thesilentassassin1167 unfortunately I still think Arthur still would have died in 1899 or be dead before Beecher hope was built

@Skalesthegoat

29 күн бұрын

Butcher Creek is also humid as well

@LukeLoureiro-um4em

29 күн бұрын

@@Skalesthegoat all the gang camps suck for Arthur's well being expect horseshoe

i honestly believe guarma was created to speed up arthurs death.

@Romanj28

Ай бұрын

Yes considering the fact that he was dehydrated and heat exhausted while dealing with Tuberculosis. He probably would’ve lived longer if chapter 5 didn’t happen

@matthewlacey4198

28 күн бұрын

​@@Romanj28 you see his first TB coughs sometime after he gets captured by Colm, the fever and likely infections he got would've sped up the TB as well, or at least activating it in his system Bc as I remember, TB can lurk in your system for years, and can be 'activated', and an infection can open the door for TB to grab you, if I'm correct (feel free to correct me if I'm not)

@connorbranscombe6819

27 күн бұрын

@@matthewlacey4198You’re pretty much right on, although I think Guarma is what really triggers it, he goes from very strong to very weak in the space of the St Denis Bank heist to the start of chapter 6.

@SLG-jt1rd

24 күн бұрын

They didn't need to speed up his death I think he died from the fight with Michah

@entrenchgamer

24 күн бұрын

Bounty Hunter secret Encounter z://kzread.info/dash/bejne/fH2g0MRporizc7g.htmlsi=X2ILqpbD2M4cqiNh

Haven’t even watched the video yet, but I agree. Guarma is underrated, it shows Dutch’s descent into madness and Arthur’s worsening condition

@lulujay5866

28 күн бұрын

More minor, but I think it was also the turning point for Javier? Before chapter 5, he seems kind of undecided on his stance(?) sometimes probably best shown in a few random camp interactions, like one with Dutch where Javier tries to voice concerns and Dutch preaches his philosophy a bit and Javier responds "I guess" and Dutch tells him it's either yes or no, weak or strong, doubt or faith. Then in chapter 6, Javier is a LOT more hostile towards Arthur and others who may be straying from Dutch and it's pretty clear his mind is made up. In this chapter, Javier goes through a lot until he is rescued, and I do think his attention would primarily go to Dutch (leader of the gang, he gets to make the final call on whether Javier is rescued or not and Javier sees him leading the mission ofc and the way Dutch takes up a lot of the dialogue etc after rescue)

Guarma is the place where Arthur’s redemption begins. He’s separated from his family and that’s where he realized family is what matters the most.

@iamwhoiam7887

16 күн бұрын

Nothing means more to me than this gang

tb takes years to show the symptoms but in arthur's case, because of the drowning and all the fights in guarma, the time was much shorter

This is the only Guy who can be yapping about a game for 20 minutes and make it intresting

@CynicGTA

Ай бұрын

🤣

@GrizzlyGamingYoutube

29 күн бұрын

@@CynicGTA Nah Fr, You keep dragging but yet it's not even that tedious somehow

@effen_aey_man

23 күн бұрын

When the video was over I thought it was just a standard 10 minute video until I read this comment. Dude has Dutch level charisma, that's for sure

Arguably RDR2 story still would have worked without Guarma and Cuba 🇨🇺 but it highlighted Dutch denial and Arthur illness due to constant stress.

@josyf1965

Ай бұрын

Of course it would’ve worked. Guarma just made it better

@channel45853

Ай бұрын

No, it wouldn't, otherwise it would have been cut out

@reservoirfrogs2177

29 күн бұрын

@@channel45853 Lmao you really have no idea how writing works huh. You can literally cut out every single aspect of this chapter with no difference whatsoever. Arthurs TB worsening could easily be explained by any number of batshit things we do.

@channel45853

29 күн бұрын

@@reservoirfrogs2177 I do know how writing works, and that's why I know that cutting sections of it out willy nilly will not improve the text nor does your arrogance improve your mediocre attempt to dismembered my credibility.

It literally all started going downhill at the Rhodes shootout, and arguably the Valentine shootout. They were doomed from the Blackwater massacre, regardless of rats, who died, Dutch being mentally ill. Everyone down to Jack was doomed. The price of the outlaw lifestyle.

@iamwhoiam7887

16 күн бұрын

You don't get to live a bad life and have good things happen to you

I wish Guarma was a full island and explorable and a longer chapter

@OMGSECK

5 күн бұрын

The lakay missions are a filler for chapter 5

Guarma should’ve been the perfect island for Dutch, beautiful beaches, farmable mangos, a people needing liberating. Old Dutch would’ve thrived on that island, romping with Baptiste and the gang fighting against the slavers. This Dutch isn’t like that anymore though, when he’s presented with the romantic narrative he so often think himself as living in he tries to leave as soon as possible. They kill fussar but there’ll be a another, there’s no guarantee these people will be free, dutch barely even bothers negotiating for a better deal with the movement, he probably could’ve argued for free land for his gang to be transported and set up there. But dutch is long gone at this point. He doesn’t really want to help these people or even his gang really, instead they get out of there, right back into the mouth of danger, deprived from his one voice of reason, just so he can play cowboy revolutionary. How the mighty fall..

@fall1n1chan

7 күн бұрын

Dutch never wanted to settle somewhere. He sold a lie to those that society had let down to have a gang so he could rob and kill. "You can't right nature John."

I feel like Arthur was set up as places like Lemoyne and Guarma are extremely hot and humid worsening his disease.

@something4179

Ай бұрын

Thats a bit farfetched. But he was very unfortunate for ending up in such places.

@Friril

29 күн бұрын

​​@@something4179 no its not, the doctor told him go to a place where its warm and DRY so yes Guarma and Lemoyne are warm obviously but both Placebo espescially Lemoyne bcs its a swanpland have very high humidity (lemoyne is the equivalent to Lousiana in the RDR universe and i just looked it up and lousiana has a humidity of 86% today and thats very high)

@ultraviolet540

21 күн бұрын

@@Friril the air down there is very thick and unpleasant, it’s like your underwater in a hot bath at times.

@iamwhoiam7887

16 күн бұрын

He was targeted by the devs

Senior por favor meme is in my head now I can't take that scene serious anymore 😭

In Chapter 3 and 4 you can see very small white spots on Arthur's forehead, but only after Guarma is it extremely noticeable, ironically Horseshoe overlook would be the best place the gang stayed at for Arthur when he got TB Also I always noticed that Dutch didn't take the gold he gave Gloria back after killing her, he just moves on instead of taking it back. Also I always saw Sadie as a basically female Arthur and throughout my whole first playthrough in Guarma I was worried but thought Sadie would of taken care of it, I was more worried about Dutch when he starts losing it

@demondoggo2768

18 күн бұрын

been playing through the game for the first time and when this happened I was confused - I went over to the bag to try and get the gold back ( thought maybe if you paid attention and got it maybe you could sell it to a fence ) and had no idea why dutch would literally leave behind at least $300

if only dutch knew spanish 😞

@jackieAZ

Ай бұрын

SENORR, POR FAVOR

@Arthur_Marston875

29 күн бұрын

Damn, that’s good!

@ali-h8061

23 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@ultraviolet540

21 күн бұрын

“I thought you said you knew Spanish.”

It has some great action filled/ longer missions. Yeah you don’t have all your gear and horse, but it’s so action packed, literally cannon a boat on an old castle etc

I didn't spend much time in Guarma during my 1st playthrough, started my 2nd playthrough a while back and was planning to spend more time in Guarma this time, but still in chapter 2 exploring and finding things I missed the 1st time through, and also can't bring myself to busting Micah out of jail yet.

Arthur would've easily made it a couple of or a few more years if the gang instead of staying at Shady Belle after the O'Driscoll raid and the Pinkertons being in the area, would've gone up north to either Moonstone Pond or Fort Brennand. Then instead of sneaking on a boat, they should've went down to the east docks and run up the coast and between the trees and the swamp with the little islands where you find alligators hanging around and as they avoid them and keep running. They already would've left Saint Denis and could just stay away from the road and run up to Canebreak Manor, which would be visible to them from where the swampy place is. Then take a break there and see if they can continue and run to that houseboat that's 11 o'clock from that house so they would've seen that too and could rest in there. Charles and Javier could look out for some canoes that would be nearby and cross the river with them and keep running up north between the trees and bushes. If they were at Fort Brennand, the boys would've easily made it up there which is just up the Kamassa River on the other side. From there, the gang could've left everything behind and only take what they need and ride up north and through Grizzlies East or if they were at Moonstone Pond, then just go from there up and ride through Ambarino to Chez Porter where that family was that Arthur and Javier raided and then they could hide there and be patient. Sadie could find out that John is at the island prison and get that baloon and Arthur and Sadie could free John with Charles probably joining the two. Then as the gold would be split, they could figure out how to move forward and Micah wouldn't have been a snitch and he might've left with his gold anyway, because he's just looking to survive and would have enough to go away and not get caught by the Pinkertons who are still after Dutch and the gang.

Another fantastic video man. I found Guarama a bit "we're getting real Hollywood now" at first, but upon going through it, I realized it was a device to progress Arthurs sickness, show Dutch's decline and a lot of hints shown here that Micha is the rat. Truly a necessary part of the story.

@reservoirfrogs2177

29 күн бұрын

Not necessary in the slightest. There are dozens of times in the story that would easily be a better excuse for his TB worsening. A single gunfight would be enough stress and trauma to fast track the disease, let alone how much physically and mentally demanding work he did otherwise.

@reservoirfrogs2177

29 күн бұрын

Also Micah didn’t turn to the police until after this chapter, Milton says so himself. The whole “rat” thing is badly overplayed, the gang has caused so much trouble anyone with the slightest effort could have tracked them down.

People hate on guarma but honestly it might be my favourite

Love your thoughtful analysis.

Arthur was left with two holes in him. He lost a father figure in Hosea and a son in Lenny, leaving him free (plotwise) to confront his other father figure, Dutch, and be the father to his other son, John.

THANK YOU I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS. While I do wish it was longer I agree it’s an essential part of the story, especially for Dutch and Arthur’s development

Love these vids

I felt like I was the only one who liked this chapter.

@vishalb5595

26 күн бұрын

You aren't alone boahh

@Alrgeric4730

24 күн бұрын

Bruh , Arthur was literally yapping about dutch killing Gloria even though he's no better and that she PULLED a knife on him , plus dutch doesn't know Spanish even though when he met Javier , he communicated with him and taught him English , dutch didn't even take the gold after giving it to Gloria This is the worst chapter and you know it

I love the war mission where you shoot the big boat

Also, when Dutch approaches Gloria, after he started strangling her she dropped the knife. Dutch could have just tell her to leave at this moment, but decided to end it all the way…

I was visibly shaken by Dutch in Guarma too. Why wouldn't he steal the gold bar back??

@Alrgeric4730

24 күн бұрын

Same with arthur , he is such cliche , like Gloria pulled a knife on them , what was dutch supposed to do? , also Arthur is no better than dutch , he has more kills than him

@entrenchgamer

24 күн бұрын

Same here

@entrenchgamer

24 күн бұрын

Same here

To be pedantic for a second, the first time Arthur stops what he's doing to cough, as you brought up, is when he talks to Strauss behind Shady Belle to start the next round of debt collecting. It's easy to miss or skip entirely. Arthur coughs a few times before that, but this is the first time in a cutscene he's forced to step aside.

I still wonder what would have happened if Hosea or Lenny survived the Saint Denis bank heist, how would they do in Guarma? Or even Charles?

The only thing I hate about Guarma is the invisible sniper. I can understand having one preventing Arthur from exploring New Austin since you unlock that in the epilogue. You never get that with Guarma. I do like trying to make a big standoff against those armies on the island but that stupid sniper always ruins it. I remember that at one point I couldn’t figure out how to get to a mission and kept getting sniped every time I was nearly there.

What was painful was seeing Dutch disregard Arthur after guarma for a man to claim that he was his son he sure treated him as anything but

My first play though I hated it and it seemed like it took forever. My second play through I appreciated it and was able to see the significance.

I always hate when people say Dutch killed that woman in self defence when Dutch was the first one to approach her

Guarma is the turning point for the story. It's where things undeniably get far more bleak and it's where Arthur finally begins to have serious doubt it Dutch. It shows the gang at their absolute lowest, no longer big bad outlaws out in the open but hiding and scrambling to stay alive like rats. I can't understand why anyone would want it removed. If anything I wish we spent more time there and could freely explore the island.

I think it would have been great if you were able to walk around the boat and play games with crew members

I Agree

Dutch could’ve just grabbed her knife, and shoved her aside at most. But it did seem likely she would betray them…

Guarma was the chapter that made me play red dead redemption 1 and 2 (My brother playing it one day and then he had to take a shower so I played for him)

Gwarmer

Guarma is such a missed opportunity.

Chapter 5 is like going to the dentist, yes its vital but it is everything but fun.

I just wish there was a lil more to do while your there i know its supposed to be fast who wants to sit around and chill and hunt and explore when your in a war. I get it But i wish there was just a lil more there or more to do. I litterally just rush through it when i play it.

Ngl I kinda liked the tropical shithole of guarma it was cool at first and very unexpected

I'm gonna send Cynic to Guarma! 🗣🗣🗣

I always wondered why they never looted the gold bar after dutch killed the lady, she wasn't gonna need it anymore 😂😅

@Alrgeric4730

24 күн бұрын

Because guarma is the worst written chapter

@entrenchgamer

24 күн бұрын

You know what i mean, a whole gold bar just abandoned, whats going on cowpoke 😂.

Hey you should do one about the last of us or last of us 2

It would probably be better if it had more than like 4 missions

Would it not be the same? Absolutely. Does it play an important crucial role in the story? No doubt. Do I hate the shit out of Guarma and wanna gtfo and go back to Lemoyne? Yes. After playing through Guarma i just wanna go back to Lemoyne grow a big mountain wizard beard and go hide in the mountains like some sick crazy hermit.

Guarma?? You mean Tahiti 😏

2:18

to me i like to read alot of stories and i dislike Guarma for a simple reason. the sharp contrast from scenery throws me off.

Guarma is the best chapter, period.

@walter9733

29 күн бұрын

Put the stupid juice down bro

@Ten-Heisenberg99

28 күн бұрын

Lol, as expected not a constructive reply at all, reply typical of a casual gamer who follows the trendy opinions.

I mean yes……….. But we still hate it

Ehhh , I’ll hear you out though .

Guarma story wise is good but gameolay wise not so much One shooting fest after the other thats it Not many interesting missions

Guarma should have been cut from the game, just like the Epilogue.

This chapter accomplishes almost nothing and what little it does could have been done better with something else. Garbage chapter

Nah, it's forgettable. Really should've been expanded and the island should've been explorable.

@IMNTV

29 күн бұрын

It was, I think it got cut bc of time restrictions.

I disagree. You can easily cut Guarma out of the game and it doesn't make a lick of difference to the story. That new fan movie, Red Zeppelin, didn't even bother putting it in and it worked out brilliantly. Guarma is pretty, and it can even be fun, but it's a gigantic waste of time in the narrative. What does it tell us about the story? That Arthur is willing to sacrifice for Dutch? We already know that. It doesn't give us a different side of Micah. It doesn't really tell us anything about Javier, and we already know Dutch is losing his mind. Guarma does nothing but offer the player a long break from the story it never needed.

7 views in 2 minutes, bro fell off

@Riqueee24

Ай бұрын

Bro get on with that bs ass negativity

@SIEGTHEGOATFRFR

Ай бұрын

It's a joke, get on with this foolish stupidity​@@Riqueee24

@lilc8315

Ай бұрын

👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾Joined 4 yrs ago 23 subscribers bro never caught on

@IMNTV

29 күн бұрын

​@@Riqueee24it's an inside joke on the channel

Nah bro. You’re only making this video for the sake of being a contradictor…this chapter was bad and brought nothing to the story or game. It’s fine to admit that