Recreating Billy Corgan's Siamese Dream Guitar Tone!
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Let's see if I can even come close to replicating the famous guitar tone as heard on the Smashing Pumpkins album Siamese Dream!
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Got the tone! Shaved my head! Played all my bandmates parts! I'm ready!
@vibez998
3 жыл бұрын
LMAOOOO frr
@lashram32
3 жыл бұрын
forgot the turtle neck or scarf... :/
@GLITZandGLOOM
3 жыл бұрын
Gave you your 100th 'like'. You earned it 😂
@PhyrexianFleshgorger
3 жыл бұрын
Dave Grohl famously did that as well. But we don't think of him the same way.
@sopainstantanea4887
3 жыл бұрын
@@PhyrexianFleshgorger he played all the instruments in the first FF record and drums on color and the shape from what I know... Am I missing something???
The guitar tone in Siamese Dream is phenomenal. I'm still amazed every time i hear Soma
@mikemiller1671
4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Billy said there were over 30 guitar tracks on Soma... been a while, but I think he mentions it in the articles for Guitar World that were reprinted in the tab book for MC&tIS.
@woodchuk1
4 жыл бұрын
Mike Miller I think there are actually 40 tracks on Soma. No wonder it sounds so huge.
@mikemiller1671
4 жыл бұрын
@@woodchuk1 yeah going from memory. Maybe it was 30 in the intro. I don't think I have the book anymore or I'd look it up.
@GroovesAndLands
4 жыл бұрын
The Soma solo is his best work. I def remember him saying there were a shitload of overdubs. Plus, pretty sure he said he was using an E-bow on several of them. Totally killer.
@woodchuk1
4 жыл бұрын
GroovesAndLands Just the “orchestra” sounding part about three minutes in is 14 tracks alone of acoustic guitar put through an E-bow.
Siamese Dream had such a unique tone. Quiet has to be an all time favorite song of mine
@ohplezz
4 жыл бұрын
Silverfuck won't too shabby either.
@Stringprodigy
4 жыл бұрын
DannyLlerenaTV Yes!
@nomorebs
4 жыл бұрын
No! Disarm!
@adamthefractal9960
4 жыл бұрын
Soma is my personal favorite, but that's just me
@benderman1157
4 жыл бұрын
incredibly underated song
You failed to mention how the color of the guitar effects the sound.😂
@backlom
4 жыл бұрын
timmy Maines so relevant! Billy Corgan’s suggestion does raise this conundrum.
@saam6768
4 жыл бұрын
Color didn't affect the tone until about 26 years later when Billy officially lost his mind.
@shoegazeforever8810
4 жыл бұрын
We need a colour chemist and some sound engineers to sort this one out!
@nickpejic
4 жыл бұрын
Affects
@norlanderduwallis9074
4 жыл бұрын
I actually agree with him because I too, am a raging lunatic
The muddynes in the mids and bass is honestly one of the best parts in my opinion. It's part of what makes the album unique, and adds a lot to the richness and droney-ness of the tone.
@warshipsatin8764
Жыл бұрын
i agree man. i think the obsession with hearing every single note from every single instrument with crystal clarity leads to an artificial sound and is almost antithetical to rock and roll
MY BLOODY VALENTINE LOVELESS TONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@arthuroliveira4326
4 жыл бұрын
Their tone is fantastic. It would be a great video.
@jakeybball
4 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure it’s just an HM-2
@barbdrake5999
4 жыл бұрын
blues driverrrrr
@JPTyler
4 жыл бұрын
Which is EXTREMELY loud!
@megazoned3973
3 жыл бұрын
Kinda a terrible sounding album technically on first listen. Then you just fall in love with it.
Recreating Jerry Cantrell’s sound Facelift or dirt!!!
@ethanburgess4336
4 жыл бұрын
Odio a la policía Y amo a mi mamá yessss
@Fridge83
4 жыл бұрын
The self-titled album's guitar tone was awesome too.
@danielsgrunge
4 жыл бұрын
@@Fridge83 The best actually
@Fridge83
4 жыл бұрын
@@danielsgrunge I totally agree with that. It's been my favourite AIC album since day 1.
@thelos1982
4 жыл бұрын
I heard they put a mic in the back of a 1x12 open cab to get the low end for Dirt.
Fluff, keep doing production oriented videos. This was a great watch.
@695Bluefin
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
When I first heard _Siamese Dream_ I was blown away by the tones on that album, Billy Corgan is such an underrated guitarist but the sounds he got are just so damn good (And he also made me get a Big Muff, which I love playing)
@aegisraven1284
Жыл бұрын
Hes not underated at all he's considered a guitar god
“There’s some difference between his head and mine, his is completely bald”
@kongandbasses8732
4 жыл бұрын
At least he has his eyebrows.
@kristopherryanwatson
4 жыл бұрын
@@kongandbasses8732 ...Billy has eyebrows...
@alexmalch
3 жыл бұрын
@@kristopherryanwatson that’s exactly what he said
Smashing pumpkins will always be my favorite band of all time.
@BascoSisters
4 жыл бұрын
Same for me❤
@camw621
4 жыл бұрын
You and I are friends, then.
@michaellawrence9839
4 жыл бұрын
Weak
@NikeaTiber
4 жыл бұрын
This used to be true for me. Now I only wear my Zero shirt to advertise how many ****s I give about Billy Corgan these days. 🤐
@Xuevium
4 жыл бұрын
50% of who i am is Smashing Pumpkins. The other 50% is Final Fantasy.
One thing about the JCM 800: Billy Corgan used the low input, then cranked the Master and adjusted volume with the Gain knob until the point where the clean sound is strongly coloured. Not that you could hear any of this as soon as you step on the Big Muff, though.
@MeInTheFuture8
Жыл бұрын
stated almost word for word in the video lol ;)
Do Stars by Hum
@cuteasxtreme
4 жыл бұрын
This would be a great set up for hum
@TheGarageRecordingSC
4 жыл бұрын
I just suggested downward is heavenward !!!
@pissbaby7306
4 жыл бұрын
Brett Purvis that’s a good one
@boofert.washington2499
4 жыл бұрын
I still have that CD
@kidwajagstang
4 жыл бұрын
HUM have AMAZING tone and are criminally under-appreciated and underrated.
Has to be one of the most distinguishable guitar tones of all time. I feel like any producer could have recorded 'Nevermind' but Butch Vig deserve as much credit as Billy Corgan for Siamese Dream. I still don't know how with everything being recorded dry, the finished product sounds so whoozy, shoegazey and dreamy
@infinidominion
Ай бұрын
Billy recorded like 27 guitar tracks 😂
Absolute killer series idea! Would love to see even more of this.
@caleb875
3 жыл бұрын
YOOOO I JUST FOUND PODCASTAGE ON A RANDOM SMASHING PUMPKINS VIDEO WHATS UP DUDE
@sidneylacroix204
3 жыл бұрын
@@caleb875 what?
I've been obsessing about this album the last few weeks, it's so crazy you made this now! Thanks so much the video is incredible! The tone sounds so perfect - I'd love to see Cherub Rock like this! ❤️
Wooooooo, have you seen Billy recreating this Siamese tone? It's like he is wrestling with a bear trying to control that wall of distortion, the man is a genius for suuuuuure !
More videos like this please! Awesome job dude and killer sounds. Sounds like you nailed that tone
Siamese Dream has such a gnarly guitar sound. There's an extra layer of grit and fuzz that helps it feel so warm and comfy despite how loud it is.
Great work Fluff, please keep this series up!
LOVE this video, and definitely love that you include your own production tricks in how you arrived at this sound! Siamese Dream was formative for me and it's definitely still a benchmark for how I approach fuzzy guitar tones. There's just something so vibrant and otherworldly about the sound on this album, and I think it holds up to this day because it stays true to its own vibe!
Cool video, Fluff! Such an influential album, will always be one of my all time favorites. 🤘🏻
Thanks for doing this. I've noticed a few videos lately on various aspects of how he plays\gets his tone. This was super helpful.
What a beautiful tone! Excellent job on recreating it, one of the 90s greats.
Awesome video Ryan !!! Definately need to do more of these !! :)
Very cool series! would love to see more of this! maybe going over amazing album tones like KSE's end of heartache etc.
You're amazing! Thanks for going down the rabbit hole. I think you're absolutely right about the "heavily processed) component. I'm finding it amazing at the moment to down play the track and then master it more severely. With this kind of variable its mad to think we could nail the tones this far away from the time/studio it was recorded. Thanks again for showing all the ins and outs.
it's interesting that SP themselves never used that tone live, Billy always uses some kind of high-gain amp live to replicate it lol
@ffxiiangel
4 жыл бұрын
TheZooropaBaby . Yes, Billy used a Marshall JMP-1 as his live preamp up until 1998. They used the siamese dream set up live for one show during the recording of the album and Billy said it didn’t translate well.
@TheZooropaBaby
4 жыл бұрын
@@ffxiiangel yeah the tone is only usable in studio environment where you can layer bunch of sounds and control it pretty precisely
@33cattt49
4 жыл бұрын
ffviiiangel killed the cymbals and even did in the album which is why you really get that outrageous child like groove where only shells and snare exist during the heavy parts . It’s charming in the album but live it would sound like sludge
@kitoyobeni1
4 жыл бұрын
@@ffxiiangel Didn't they use Marshall Valvestate amps at some point too?
@ffxiiangel
4 жыл бұрын
kitoyobeni1 Yes, but only on a few small gigs in the Machina era. KZread search “Smashing pumpkins live musiqueplus”
I would LOVE it if you could recreate Bill Gould’s bass tone from Faith No More’s “The Real Thing” album.
@kdogg7882
4 жыл бұрын
Any FNM tones would be nice. I started out playing bass and passed on the chance to buy the Angel Dust guitar book back in the day. Now you can not get it to save your life and I'd love that to complete the FNM collection.
Great vid! Love to see a vid bout their Mellon Collie album cuz ill watch anything related to the Pumpkins! Love em!
Could you try deftones "my own summer " ?
@indigotheindieghost7214
4 жыл бұрын
Or just that album in general :)
@bayouboattrash
4 жыл бұрын
@@indigotheindieghost7214 Yes!!!!! Exactly!!!!!
@gus2n
4 жыл бұрын
that snare
@mercedes260d4
4 жыл бұрын
ADA MP1, Marshall Power Amp, & ESP Horizon with JB.
@NikeaTiber
4 жыл бұрын
@@mercedes260d4 as I recall the MP-1 was only used on Adrenaline, though i could be wrong. Fun fact: Billy Corgan also used an MP-1 preamp when he recorded Gish.
Cool video man, I subscribed. I just bought that op amp pedal. I too was in hot pursuit of the Siamese Dream sound back in the day
Kinda funny that the Smashing Pumpkins KZread channel uploaded a video, today, just a few hours back. I love Siamese Dream, thank you for doing this, Fluff!
"Billy Corgan with hair album"
Brother not only did you nail that tone perfectly but you added a lot of clarity which made it sound amazing
sick vid man. Id be great if you could talk about the specific guitar recordings and how each of their tones played a part in the full image.
Sounds great to me!! Pumpkins was a huge part of my youth also, really digging the vids
This album got me into rock music. I heard it in a record store and was hooked. Probably my gateway drug. Favorite song off the album is Rocket. You sound amazing. Excellent video
That was a good one . Yes would like to see definitely more vids like this one .
Really interesting, flew by, it didn't even seem like it was nearly 10 minutes
how do i like a video 1000 times in all seriousness thanks for doing this video, billy corgan is a massively underrated lead guitarrist, his status as the bands lead singer overshadows that facet of his musicianship
Thank you, This is great. Pumpkins started my obsession with guitars.
Great video. Gish was the SP record that made an impact on me, lot of cool tones there.
Nice. Two new Corgan videos in 2 days. Much love
Id love to see you recreate Matt Talbotts tone from HUM's Youd prefer an Astronaut. I know he uses a Boss DF-2, but theres something special going on there.
@TylerHodelin
2 жыл бұрын
And Tim lash, they both make it
@Tim8tei
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I read your post and checked them out. I don't understand how I didn't know about them.
@SRone45
2 жыл бұрын
Yes DF-2, Les Paul Drop D and Orange OR120
Nailed that tone dude! Soothe 2 is a must for my next plugin to get!
You remind me of a Rock n' roll Bert Kreischer!! Thanks for the awesome info, dude!
Have always loved the tone on this album.....still jam it in the car regularly.....sounds so much better through the speakers of a new car vs. the speakers of the '78 Bronco I had when I was a kid...thanx for the vid and all the info fluff...!!!
So glad you did this video!
About time man!!thanks for video it helped,I'm trying to do the same thing!!
I think you nailed it. Good job! Keep'em coming.
The tones on GISH created my inner musical soul. GISH is phenomenal, from mellow haunting verses/Buzzing Bridge/Soaring solos. Utterly Beautiful.
Wicked man! Really love this! As an 80's child that grew up on 90's grunge.. And SP were my favourite!
Great video and thanks for showing your settings in Logic.
Love to have more nerdiness on your channel more often fluff!!!
Fantastic job. This is the closest I've ever heard of someone attempting to recreate that Siamese Dream magic. That Op-Amp Big Muff reissue is killer.
Smashing Pumpkins is one of the few bands I really dont think of the names of songs when I listen. I always play the whole album from beginning to end and take it in as one great work of art......I was in highschool when siamese dream was released, I love to listen to anything from 80s power metal to southern rock........If I could only pick one album to listen to forever it would be siamese dream. The song writing combined with the guitar tone is unreal. Thanks for the video !
The reason he did so many tracks for guitar was he had two or three sweet spots on the muff pedal. So he'd have on pass with more high end, one pass with more low end,. Then those were double tracked each. And he may have did a mid pass with the muff as well.
Cool experiment, man. Thanks for a fun watch!
Damn. That sounds amazing. Nice work 🤘
Siamese Dream is guitar tone heaven.
Yuor awesome! Thanks for doing this!
That was a great video. You nailed it!
Great work.. had my ‘82 Strat re fitted with Lace. Sensors a few months ago and bough the new Big Muff and been working on the SP sound with a Headrush Gigboard. Pretty close but really liked what you’ve done here. 😏
God, I love that you did this Fluff! Thank you
I love it when dad gets nerdy!!!! Great video. Would you ever try to replicate the tone of Overwhelming Colorfasts first album? Please!
Great recreation. I didn't understand the technical stuff, but I can vouch for the end result!
That was cool. I'd like to see more. No requests, I dig surprises...
You did a great job man! SP will always be one of the all time great rock bands in my book 👍✌️🎃❣️
This was incredible. Thank you!!
Woah....KZread recommendations finally pays off! Great Video!
NAILED it! Was waiting for the vocals to come in 😂
Sounds good dude. 👍 for the Strung Out sticker on the guitar.
This video was awesome. Plz plz plz do more!!!!
Main thing billy did was turn his tone knob on the guitar all the way back.
@mikee6666
4 жыл бұрын
Huh, just what I was thinking the tone in the vid needed, the tone rolled back to take that high end off. Totally didn't know Corgan did it, lol.
@matthewkennedy7283
4 жыл бұрын
Mikee I’ve never heard anything about rolling it all the way off that doesn’t seem like a good tone idea
@TheSafetysheep
4 жыл бұрын
Matthew Kennedy Try it with a big muff. Report back
@benwinship7662
4 жыл бұрын
Travis Kammeyer discovered this the other week
That was great. I loved that. Thanks.
I love that album. I think the trick is to not let the highs get too present. It's a thick, heavy fuzz tone. 👍
This. Was. Awesome. Thx for doing this ❤️
I love the Smashing Pumpkins. Nice job Fluff!
Would love to hear some DefTONES recreated. If you agree thumb this up so Fluff sees!
Great job, great video!
Please keep doing these!
Love this. Do more like this, super educational. Would love to see you recreate some Ministry from Psalm 69, even though it’s sounds straight forward.
Great video! If you wanna get even closer to the pumpkin tone, add a mxr distortion+ and a dumble overdrive to that big muff and it gives that nice wild horse sound that billy loved
This was a really cool video; I wish you had mentioned which pickup you were using (neck, middle, bridge), where your strat tone knobs where, and what the EQ on the Marshall head was.
You can't forget about the Mutron Bi-Phase... huge part of Siamese Dream's sound.
@ffxiiangel
4 жыл бұрын
Matthew Pugh They ran it through everything...EVERYTHING.
@Thujone10
4 жыл бұрын
@@ffxiiangel and backwards!
@WillCorg
4 жыл бұрын
That was a joke by Butch Vig guys, he was kidding. It’s a phaser and would’ve made the whole album sound in phase. WPC uses the phase effect mainly for lead guitar. He’s apparently more partial to the MXR Phase 100 for the Siamese Dream album.
@cactustactics
4 жыл бұрын
@@WillCorg you can add phasing to tracks so they sit better together in the mix though, so it wouldn't surprise me. That "acoustic" mayo from... somewhere I forget, it's actually the SD version with other instruments removed, and the phasing is really audible without them Also it's fabulous
Man you did a really great job at replicating the overall sound of the siamese dream album. It couldn't have been easy because Butch Vig was a huge part of the equation that's missing. He took this album and made it his own. In my opinion, Butch is just as much responsible for the success of Siamese Dream as the Band itself if not more. Anyway, I would love to see you do Sixteen stone by Bush. That Album would be awesome to recreate!
Sounds awesome! We are the same age and that era’s music defined my youth.
“Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins” “Homer Simpson, smiling politely”
Siamese Dream is probably my favourite album right now. You did a fantastic job! Only thing I would change is the tuning; Today was actually recorded in standard tuning!
I like this! You could do an entire series on this album alone. I would have mentioned a Mutron Biphasor, and I would say despite knowing it was analogue, there was some sampling going on, so you have to concede it wasn't entirely non digital, but this is a great and informative video non the less.
LOVE this video. Such a crucial guitar tone for the history books
This was incredibly well-informed. The only argument I have to anything in this video, is that SD was not an analog album. It was recorded hybrid analog-digital. To what extent and specifics I am not sure but I specifically remember an interview/blog/something where Corgan specified that that is a big part of the sound of the album.
Love it, dude! More like this, doesn't even matter the artist.
Sounds awesome thanks man!
5:21 I started to sing “today is the greatest” right as he cut out and I remembered I wasn’t listening to the actual song but was listening to him play haha Nailed it
Very good tone! Really great! im amazed
I used to listen to this album while driving with my mother on Sunset Boulevard in West Columbia. I miss those times. She passed away on the 20th of December in 2014. The album never fails to make me cry.
He used an Octavia on a bunch of tracks- my favourite being Rocket. Although I was very happy to find he was reunited with his original 70’s “Gish” strat! I wish they’d reissue it.
Pretty good! I think you'd need fewer plugins if you use a Neve 1073 or 1081 style plugin and an old IC Muff, though. Those were quite a bit warmer sounding to begin with. Also don't be afraid to slam the tape a bit. I believe they recorded on a Studer so that plugin would also help make it easier. They did mix on an SSL I believe as well though.