Great video! I remember noticing the same thing. Really, the only reason Baptist and other low church folks do baptism and lord’s supper is obedience. Which, good for them. But WHY does God want us to be obedient and faithful to do these things? The early fathers knew. The Catholic Church still knows. ❤️❤️

@thecatechumen

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Thank you for your kind words! I appreciate the support and the fact that we've both come from similar backgrounds.

@tony1685

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you have a dichotomy Ma'am. this 'church' doesn't obey God's Word, thus proving it can't be Christianity.

@thecatechumen

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@@tony1685 You keep saying that, but you never provide a single example.

@tony1685

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@@thecatechumen again, John 14:15 reconciled with Exodus 20:8-11 is one of many examples. here is a short list: manna.amazingfacts.org/amazingfacts/website/amazingfacts/docs/roman-catholic-doctrinal-deviations.pdf

@jediv3381

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@@thecatechumen *R Catholicism has nothing to do with God and His Words. R Catholic Church contradicts Scriptures in every possible ways!* 1. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But BIBLE says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10. 2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39. 3. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet BIBLE says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47. 4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to GOD only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10. 5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26. 6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet BIBLE says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19. 7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. BIBLE says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5. 8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians. 9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet BIBLE says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18. 10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”. 11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10. 12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. 13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6. 14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it. 15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same GOD. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity.

Oh wow that’s awesome. I was Protestant 40 years or so. 4 years Catholic. The Catholic Church is the fullness of truth. The Old Testament is fulfilled in the New Testament. Love being Catholic. Finally at peace.

@tony1685

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you wrote: _'The Catholic Church is the fullness of truth.'_ - whose Truth? God's Truth is as follows: 1 - Jesus Christ IS Truth - John 14:6 2 - Thy Word IS Truth - John 17:17 3 - Thy Commandments ARE Truth - Psalm 119:142,151 now, if the 'church' of catholicism doesn't teach Exodus 20:8-11 (which IS Truth) then logically speaking, it can't be Truthful - that's just not sensible. i am seeing that you never really understood what the protest was/is all about, friend. former (35 yr) catholic, now Christian and Bible teacher. all questions invited and encouraged. Truth invites investigation.

@ronaldmcdonald4781

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@@tony1685 The Catholic Church is the truth. In what sense? Jesus is the truth in one sense, but I'm not quite sure if that would be the same of his Chruch, but it would be similar. Also I understand what you're trying to say about the Catholic church having removed one or whatever commandments from Exo. 20, but the list we have was commonly held by the early church. It doesn't subtract from it at all. It's just a formulation, one of many that all speak the same truth. It's been a while since I looked at the sources, but the list used by Catholics today was even used by early Protestants. I have to double-check tho.

@tony1685

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@@ronaldmcdonald4781 that catholic 'church' can't be Truth, Ronald, it's a nonsensical statement, as has been proven already.

@ronaldmcdonald4781

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@@tony1685 🤭 yet the Catholic Church stood for a very long time. Going back as early as the early church. You many not like it but God wouldn't change his mind just because some people rejected the notion 500 years ago. For example, the church had always believed that Mary was a virgin, that she was taken up to heaven. Even Martin Luther believed that. The traces of the Catholic church can be found in the early church where the teaching of the disciples are found. So no, you haven't proven that the Catholic Church doesn't have the truth.

@tony1685

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@@ronaldmcdonald4781 you haven't addressed my post, Sir. please do with proof. Scripture clearly proves catholicism isn't Christianity.

I converted 9 years ago and it’s the best decision I’ve ever made!!

@thecatechumen

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Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for the comment. I've been really enjoying your content for a little while now! So happy that Christ is working in your life. God bless.

@TriciaRP

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@@thecatechumen but now you are considering catholism because YOU ARE BEING DECEIVED. IT IS A FALSE DOCTRINE. Deceived Esp in the LATE HOUR. really! Man stay baptist. Just go back to them. Seriously. Praying to deceased People an another Mary THEY DO PRAY TO A MARY. yet. BAPTISM saves you meaning the BAPTISM of the HOLY GHOST. Not water. I mean you all just BEGIN TO CONSIDER A LIE.

@tony1685

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ah, you're still ignoring what the Bible makes crystal clear - as 'The Catechumen' is. i've shown him repeatedly how God's Word proves this 'church' can't even be considered Christianity and he's just too twisted with pride and chosen Bible illiteracy to even care. perhaps when he grows up and you open a Bible - you two can both see what God's Truth shows us. thanks for reading, Redneck.

@thecatechumen

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@@tony1685, You have proven nothing by copy-pasting SDA rhetoric on my videos. The fact that you automatically assume that I am prideful and biblically illiterate is a testament to your lack of Christian charity. Good job. Further, not that I have to prove anything to you, I'd just like to point out that you have absolutely no idea what my spiritual walk looks like. I just so happen to read the Scriptures every single day without failure. That's typically what you have to do when you read through the Bible in a year. Stop assuming that everyone who disagrees with you just hasn't opened their Bible or doesn't know how to read it. Your denomination holds to some of the most novel and ridiculous stuff known to man. Why would anyone think that you're right?

@tony1685

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@@thecatechumen friend i have only my brain and Bible to rely upon. you haven't even come close to using Biblical sense to answer any of what i've posted. the prideful hatred this 'church' has for our Creator is beyond all that is Christianity - but that's too much to discuss, isn't it. post to me when you're *ALLOWED* to discuss what the Bible proves, Sir. John 14:15 ~ proves catholicism isn't Christianity. never has nor ever will be.

The Catholic Mass is beautiful. I can't wait to go every week!

@brucebarber4104

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It's possible to attend Mass every day.

@rangers94ism

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Same

Welcome home! Although I became Catholic early on, I confess that I learn so much about the faith from our brothers and sisters that have been trooping into the CHURCH in large numbers from Protestantism. We welcome you all. Mother Church is in tears of joy and has her arm wide open to receive you all. And God bless you and your ministry.🙏

@erdash5673

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Welcome to the true church build by jesus christ

I'm blessed to have been catholic since I was a baby. O mary conceived without sin pray for us who have recourse to thee

Praise God brother! Good stuff! I’m a revert to the Catholic Church. After 26 years of Protestantism I began to research the claims of the Catholic Church, long story short…I came home to the Catholic Church 13 years ago. Best thing I ever did!

@thecatechumen

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Very happy to hear that, and thanks for the comment! God bless.

@erdash5673

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Welcome to the true church build by jesus christ

The very reasons you list are what brought me into the Church in 1995! Becoming Catholic is the best thing I ever did!

@thecatechumen

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Glad to hear!

I'm a catecumen converted from protestant and mormon, I see you have a lot of opposition from ignorant youtubers who I see all the time trying to troll the comments on every catholic channel they can find. Don't stop and keep it up!!

@thecatechumen

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Thank you for the encouragement!!

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

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You were both protestant AND Mormon? At the same time?

@rauldelarosa2768

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@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr no possibility of this as Mormons are a cult..

When one seeks truth with humility like you clearly have been doing...it always leads home to the fullness of faith in our beautiful Catholic church. God bless your journey!

It's stories like this that strengthen my Catholic faith

I’m a Catholic and it is fascinating to hear the difference in teaching and I’m learning too listening to your discovery… for a lot of Catholics who are taking this for granted, they need to walk with your journey.. I myself learning to appreciate the beautiful faith that we have.. thank you for sharing I’m looking forward to hear more of your faith journey..

THE CATECHUMEN, KEEP GOING! YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK! KUDOS!🤟

@thecatechumen

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Thank you! Will do!

It is so sad that I only heard about these church fathers watching Protestants converts like you. I was born and raised Catholic but I just did the motions but did not really have a deep relationship with Jesus. It was the Protestant converts like Steve Ray and Scott Hahn that converted me to a deeper understanding about Catholicism which I never felt or learned from any priest. I truly believe that Protestant converts has a unique role in propagation of the true church that Jesus Christ himself established. They will become the new frontline soldiers of the Catholic church.

@TriciaRP

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Steve Ray and these others are leading people to hell. Jesus didn't start catholism it is man made religion. So what color scapular do you own. What medal you use to ward off spirits that Jesus nor his Apostles used?

@MyJustOpinion

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@@TriciaRP Please watch these two videos for the sake of the salvation of your soul. You have been deceived. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aJh2za2oiaaYXZs.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/dnd4mLN_Yc2pqco.html

@hikedayley9309

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Amen Brother!

@marcuslow1386

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@@TriciaRP sola scriptura is unbiblical. Proof... See how many protestant denominations are out.

@veritas220

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@MyJust -- totally agree!

Who would have believed a would-be baptist pastor would one day be wearing a miraculous medal?.... Seriously though, I am impressed that such a young man has been able to be critical about what he has been taught and prepared to look for the truth rather than simply accepting they have it already.

@thecatechumen

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Thank you for your kind words!

Something I tell people who bash the Catholics hey if it wasn’t for Luther there would be only two churches you would be Jewish or Catholic

@thecatechumen

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That's for sure

@wolfthequarrelsome504

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Luther was a man with personal issues.

Brayden praise God for sharing your faith journey to people seeking the way, truth and life.

Hello brother Brayden, Thanks be to God, for your journey to the Catholic church, welcome home! I myself am a convert as well, But you have a special gift which is articulating between what you believed or what your former church and your future church which or current by now. God bless.

I pray that the Truth leads you where you belong home in the Church. As a general rule we Catholics are terrible at evangelization, which amazes, because how many strong Protestants have found themselves back in the Catholic Church. Scott Hahn, Steve Ray, Jimmy Akin, Keith Nestor etc, etc, etc.... There are many former Protestants that can help you on your journey. I will pray for you both. God bless....

@thecatechumen

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Thank you!

@TriciaRP

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Steve Ray Never had the real holy ghost. These men are blind and DECEIVED. True born again BELIEVERS won't pray to a Mary or pray to Deceased people. Satan love to sell y'all lies

@pete4258

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@@TriciaRP It saddens me that in your tradition all you have been taught is lies about the Catholic Church. You get your information directly from people that add to your distorted view, instead of researching it yourself. As far as Steve Ray, I think it's a "miracle" that you can discern whether he had the Holy Spirit or not. I have a feeling that when he was on a full anti-Catholic rant as a Baptist, you would have raised your hands to the sky and shouted "amen" and said "wow, he's filled with the Holy Spirit". I suggest that when you think you're STRONG ENOUGH in your "faith" to start researching the Early Church Fathers. The men that directly learned from the Apostles and the men that learned from those men. If you're honest with yourself, you will discover which Church they act and sound like. As far as praying to "deceased people", we are in the Body of Christ and as a Christian we can and should ask our brothers and sisters to pray for us, here on Earth or in Heaven. It is because "…we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses….” Hebrews 12:1 The Saints and Mother Mary are watching us. They want us to be with them in Heaven. As far as Mother Mary, we do NOT worship her. We honor and venerate her. She is the New Ark of the Covenant. She is the Queen Mother in Jesus's Davidic Kingdom. She is the Intercessor, just like she INTERCEDED at the Wedding in Cana when they ran out of WINE. It was then that Jesus performed his first public miracle ON HER BEHALF. I pray one day you will have the courage to seek the TRUTH. Ave Maria....🙏🙏🙏

@tony1685

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you wrote: _'I pray that the Truth leads you.....'_ - whose Truth, Pete? God's? God's Truth: 1 - Jesus Christ IS Truth - John 14:6 2 - Thy Word IS Truth - John 17:17 3 - Thy Commandments ARE Truth - Psalm 119:142, 151 Truth is, catholicism can't even be considered Christianity if you follow Truth. those guys you've named, 3 of the 4 i've show their error with Scripture, basic, direct, clear and unambiguous Scripture - and they are all too prideful to accept the Facts as given to us by our Creator and Saviour. catholicism promotes sin and HATES God. Scripture is crystal clear about this - but He wont' force you into His Truth - it's your right to deny It and remain as Lucifer is now. thanks for reading. all questions welcomed and encouraged. former (35 yr) catholic, now Christian and Bible teacher.

@MichaelGlowacki

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@@tony1685 I noticed that you care about the Truth. You keep contradicting Sacred Scripture. We see that you’ve closed you eyes in the following ways: you’re rejecting the Truth given by Jesus Christ to the Apostles…you’re rejecting the Incarnation and Sacrifice and Resurrection by the Word of God done once and presented daily as right worship of God…and you rejected the Bible by rejecting the canon and the correct interpretation of Scripture…your pride leads you to attack Christians and the ordinary means of having a right relationship with God, and the Eucharist which is the closest means to have Jesus Christ. You also claim that you had access to all of these for years in the Catholic Church. Now you prefer the traditions of men from the 1800s, and you demonstrate in writing your blindness and pride. This leads us Christians to wonder what grace and love you need to receive and to pray for you to receive an increase in faith, hope, and love.

Well done my friend. You have learned more than most cradle catholics. As one i did not find the mass until i attended my first latin mass. Now it is the only mass that i will attend and that was only 4 years ago. My God bless you. Also Scott Haun has good books on the mass.

The Bible came out of the church. The church was first..

@thecatechumen

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True that

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

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The Catholic church, if they were to write the bible today, would make a COMPLETELY different book. That's your red flag. The two are not the same. What happened? It's been a long history. Evil popes. 3 popes all claiming to be pope at the same time. The schism with east and west. Tons of new doctrines that they claim ALL just happened to be oral and weren't written down until 1000+ years later, even 1950!!! But all from the very beginning, don't you worry!!!

On KZread and tv I’ve listened to so many of these preachers bashing us Catholics. Thank god I’ve made efforts to learn more about my own faith. Plus, I’ve done lots of prayer asking the Holy Spirit to strengthen my understanding.

Love your Miraculous Medal!!!!

God bless you and your family!

@thecatechumen

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Same to you!

Can't wait for the next one.

@thecatechumen

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I appreciate the support!

I was raised with many of the same prejudices, so I have sympathy for Protestants. I was one for so long, but like John Henry Cardinal Newman, “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.” Now as a Catholic, faith wise, it’s like watching TV in black and white for years, then Catholicism turned on the color!

Welcome home my brother, welcome home!

Love this! You are a blessing!

@thecatechumen

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Thank you so much! You're awesome.

I appreciate you , thanks for sharing :)

@thecatechumen

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Thank you!!

Yes!!!

You are right, my brother, Continue your journey.

Welcome home Brother, blessings from Belgium.

Thankyou for your video. Logic and reason have led you to find your faith which will fill your heart with eternal joy and happiness. God Bless!

@thecatechumen

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Blessings!

@tony1685

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nonsense, laziness and Bible illiteracy keeps one catholic.

@hikedayley9309

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@@tony1685 You mean keeps one non catholic.

@tony1685

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@@hikedayley9309 care to demonstrate now for all reading? do you believe God's church still meets His criteria in 1 Tim 3:15 ? do you believe God's children know God - 1 John 2:3 ? do you believe God's church loves Christ - John 14:15 ? do you believe God's church walk in Truth - 1 John 2:4 ? notice, all these require a Christian keeps Truth, His Commandments - Psalm 119:142, 151 kindly review the teachings of your 'church' before proceeding if you're wise and with integrity, Sir.

@thecatechumen

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@@tony1685 Interesting. It was by taking initiative to study the Bible, history, the church fathers, theology, etc. that made me Catholic. Sounds like your assessment is demonstrably false. Good job creating the worst ad hominem attack I've ever seen.

I will pray for you and your family brother. I hope that you come home to the fullness of truth.

@thecatechumen

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Thank you so much!

@tony1685

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@@thecatechumen question my friend: does God's church and His people know God, love Christ and walk in Truth - according to Scripture - or do they not?

@thecatechumen

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@@tony1685 Yep! Nothing that is believed or practiced in the Catholic church contradicts Scripture.

@tony1685

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@@thecatechumen please reconcile John 14:15 with Exodus 20:8-11, Sir. no catholic can with accuracy and remain catholic. it's just not possible.

@thecatechumen

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@@tony1685 What is there to reconcile? The Jews had the Sabbath. We have the Lord's day. That is why Paul says to "not let anyone condemn you in matters of food and drink or of observing festivals, new moons, or sabbaths. These are only a shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17). He also says "Who are you to pass judgment on servants of another? It is before their own lord that they stand or fall. And they will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make them stand. Some judge one day to be better than another, while others judge all days to be alike. Let all be fully convinced in their own minds." (Romans 14:4-5)

Thanks for sharing

You’re awesome and blessed

Great job with this channel. You should contact Matt Fradd (Pints with Aquinus YT show) and Trent Horn (Council of Trent YT show) and ask them to interview you. They are close to your age and have excellent channels!

@thecatechumen

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I’d love to eventually connect with them both!

@Sheilamarie2

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I agree, and hope he does! It would give this brilliant young man more exposure, and increase his ministry! God Bless!

I was born and raised Catholic. Then I left the church not because of some angry words with a priest or something. Nope. It was way more embarrassing. She was cute and she was a Baptist. So I went. I church hoped and landed at one church or another for almost 23 years. Then they booted me out because they did not like my girlfriend. So I was causing people to sin by being with her. They basically said it was her or them. So I went back to my Catholic Church. They didn't care. Also, the Gospel just exploded in front of me. I could almost see Moses, King David, the 12 Apostles, Jesus Christ, and all of the saints right there as the Eucharist was being blessed. I will never go back to being a Protestant again.

Welcome home! Bless us all!

Thank you

@thecatechumen

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Thanks!

Welcome to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ Himself in 33 AD

I love your medal. Is it a Miraculous Medal?

@thecatechumen

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Yep! I've got a Miraculous Medal and a St. Augustine Medal attached to the same chain.

@myronmercado

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@@thecatechumen my Miraculous Medal is attached to my brown scapular. On the other end is attched my St Benedict cross.

@thecatechumen

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@@myronmercado That's awesome! I'm wearing a St. Benedict cross in the video as well! Funny enough, I go to a parish named after him, lol.

@myronmercado

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@@thecatechumen In giving us the Miraculous Medal, Mary also gave us a prayer: O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. In a dream, a Jewish convert asked Mary for her favorite prayer to her. She prayed it in Portuguese. And guess what, it's "O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee." In the same dream, the convert asked Mary what was her most favorite title to herself: "The beloved daughter of the Father, mother of the Son, and spouse of the Holy Spirit." How can anyone not give honor to her. Jesus couldn't have disobeyed the 10 commandments where it said to honor our father and our mother.

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

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@@thecatechumen Does the whole miraculous metal thing really seem right.....???

I don't mind!"long" videos. Give me/them all the facts please. Excellent points and references/sources. I do hope someday you discern your place perhaps in the Catholic Church as a Deacon... perhaps someday... God Bless You!

You should look into the life of St. John Henry Cardinal Newman. His journey was similar to yours.

Ever read anything by Scott Hahn? Read anything u can get your hands on...and Patrick Madrid.

@thecatechumen

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Scott Hahn is amazing! He actually worked on the “Introduction to Catholicism” book we are going through in RCIA.

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

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Read the bible!!!!!!!!!!!

Great video brother good information

@thecatechumen

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Thank you!

@EricAlHarb

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Look into the Orthodox Catholic Church. The Latins have the faith but they’re in schism.

@thecatechumen

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@@EricAlHarb Schism is determined by who is in communion with the bishop of Rome.

@EricAlHarb

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@@thecatechumen I won’t argue that with you. My question is have you looked at the Orthodox Church? It seems to me you have not and so I’d suggest your journey still needs to be completed wherever you land. I am well familiar with the Latins and they have trouble coming.

@thecatechumen

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@@EricAlHarb At the end of my conversion inquiry, it had boiled down to either the Orthodox Church(es) or to the Catholic Church. However, having already accepted the notion that the church necessarily involves being “one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic,” it seems to me that the Orthodox Churches are not one. This is an apparent consequence of rejecting the bishop of Rome which has always served as the fountainhead of unity and the final court of appeals for the Church. So, it is an unfair assumption on your part to say I haven’t looked into the Orthodox Church. I still have a lot to learn and study, but I’ve already practically made my decision.

​ @alfray1072 *Where in Mat 16 mentioned R Catholic CHurch lowwit?* you said Where in MAT 16:18-19 says "sola scriptura"?

Accidents and substance is a philosophy of aristotle, isn't it?

My friend reading the comments below you have a lot of support. You have even attracted the trollers Faith Alone and Sola Fides with their unrelenting gnashing of teeth so you must be doing good.

@faithalone2171

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@Darryl Batchem troll *R Catholicism is a m m religion. R Catholicism has nothing to do with God and His Words. R Catholic Church contradicts Scriptures in every possible ways!* 1. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But BIBLE says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10. 2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39. 3. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet BIBLE says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47. 4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to GOD only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10. 5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26. 6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet BIBLE says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19. 7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. BIBLE says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5. 8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians. 9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet BIBLE says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18. 10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”. 11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10. 12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. 13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6. 14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it. 15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same GOD. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity.

@darrylbatchem8985

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See what I mean?

@faithalone2171

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@@darrylbatchem8985 *There you go. Attacking. Bible says God's Word is truth. Jn **17:17**. Bible is never wrong.*

@darrylbatchem8985

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See what I mean?

@faithalone2171

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@@darrylbatchem8985 I see ... you are trying to attack Scriptures?

Catholicism is Christianity!

@faithalone2171

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*R Catholicism has nothing to do with God and His Words. R Catholic Church contradicts Scriptures in every possible ways!* 1. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But BIBLE says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10. 2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39. 3. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet BIBLE says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47. 4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to GOD only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10. 5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26. 6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet BIBLE says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19. 7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. BIBLE says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5. 8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians. 9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet BIBLE says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18. 10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”. 11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10. 12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. 13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6. 14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it. 15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same GOD. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity.

@veritas220

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@cfG21 -- indeed!!! We're the original Christians!

@faithalone2171

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​@@veritas220 *Yes you say that because you do not read the Bible. Bible does not say so.* ⭐ Was R Catholic Church the Church founded by Christ? ⭐ There answer is No. R Catholic Church was not founded by Christ. The First mentioned Church was Jerusalem Church. Acts 2. Not R Catholic Church. The First Believers were Jewish Christians. Not R Catholics. Acts 2, Acts 11:26. ⭐ Founding of R Catholic Church ⭐ R Catholic Church came in ad 380 when Theodosius decreed the Edict of Thessalonica. Christianity became the official religion of Rome - which later became what we called R Catholic Church. In ad 300s it was called Church of Rome or the Latin Church or the Western Church. It was just a local church. It became prominent due to its backing from Rome and later became part of the Pentarchy consisting of 5 prominent local churches - Rome, Jerusalem, Antioch, Constantinople, Alexandria. Pentarchy + all local churches then formed the Church or the Universal Church. R Church was never the Church. you said @cfG21 -- indeed!!! We're the original Christians!

@faithalone2171

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​WAS R CATHOLIC CHURCH THE CHURCH FOUNDED BY CHRIST? ⭐ Is R Catholic CHurch the One True Church or the Universal Church or Christ’s Church? ⭐ The answer is No. ⭐ Is R Catholic Church the same as Catholic Church? ⭐ The answer is No. “catholic” in all early writings referred to all churches/all believers. Nothing to do with a local Church called R Catholic Church which came in ad300s. It is the claim of R Catholics that they are one and the same. But we know its not. How do we know? - Orthos also claimed to be the Catholic Church. So who is right? R Church or Orthos? - Bible says Church refers to all churches + all believers. So how can R Church a local church be all churches? - R Catholics can never prove when R Church really became the Universal Church. When asked which year it happened, they have no answer. Their only answer was always “R church says so” or “Mat 16 or 1 Tim 3:15 or John 1:42 or John 21 say so” (which they did not say so). All these verses did not say R Church = the Church. So its not a proof at all. - 95% of R Church doctrines do not resemble those from Jesus Apostles and Nt Church of the Bible. - 95% of R Church clergies do not resemble those in Scriptures. ⭐ Does Mat 16 or 1 Tim 3:15 or John 1:42 or John 21 prove R Church = the Church or the Universal Church? ⭐ The answer is No. All these verses do not even mention R Church. And they do not say R Church = the Church or Universal Church. So its not a proof at all. ⭐ Was R Catholic Church the Church founded by Christ? ⭐ There answer is No. R Catholic Church was not founded by Christ. The First mentioned Church was Jerusalem Church. Acts 2. Not R Catholic Church. The First Believers were Jewish Christians. Not R Catholics. Acts 2, Acts 11:26. ⭐ Is R Catholic Church the One True Church? ⭐ Bible does not say a local church is the Church or the one true church. The Church in the Bible refers to all churches + all believers. How we know? Just take out all the verses the mention Church and Churches in the Bible we will know what they meant exactly. ⭐ Founding of R Catholic Church ⭐ R Catholic Church came in ad 380 when Theodosius decreed the Edict of Thessalonica. Christianity became the official religion of Rome - which later became what we called R Catholic Church. In ad 300s it was called Church of Rome or the Latin Church or the Western Church. It was just a local church. It became prominent due to its backing from Rome and later became part of the Pentarchy consisting of 5 prominent local churches - Rome, Jerusalem, Antioch, Constantinople, Alexandria. Pentarchy + all local churches then formed the Church or the Universal Church. R Church was never the Church. ⭐ Was Ignatius letter a proof for R Church being founded in ad100? ⭐ The answer is no. Why? Scholars and Historians say most of Ignatius letters were spurious. Some said all were spurious. Even the person Ignatius could be just a fictitious figure invented by R Church to support the gap of missing R Church in history. ⭐ Does Acts 9:31 prove R Catholic Church is in the Bible? ⭐ The answer is No. Nowhere in Acts 9:31 mentioned R Catholic Church. It merely said the Christian Church was spread throughout all the regions of Judea, Samaria and Galilee. Not Rome. Act 9:31 Then the churches throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria had peace and were edified. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, they were multiplied. ⭐ Does Book of Romans prove R Catholic Church was in the Bible? ⭐ The answer is No. Book of Romans was Paul writing to a Christian Church in Rome. Not r catholic church which came in ad300s. R Catholics love to pretend Book of Romans was R Catholic Church? But it is clear it was not. Book of Romans teaches Salvation Not By Works Doctrine and Imputation of Righteousness Doctrine which R Church does not teach. Romans 4-8. ⭐ Is Ortho + R Church = the Church? ⭐ The answer is No. Bible says otherwise. Bible says Church = all local churches + all believers. ⭐ Does Bible mention One Church or Many Churches? ⭐ The answer is both. Jesus founded His Church in Mat 16. Bible says Church refers to all local churches + all believers. How we know that? Just look at all the usages of the words Church and Churches we know what they really meant. 1 *Bible mentions Church in general referring to all churches as a whole.* 1Co 11:22 What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I do not praise you. 1Co 12:28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 1Co 14:4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 2 *Bible mentions churches = local churches* Act 9:31 Then the churches throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria had peace and were edified. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, they were multiplied. Act 15:41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches. Act 16:5 So the churches were strengthened in the faith, and increased in number daily. Rom 16:4 who risked their own necks for my life, to whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles. Rom 16:16 Greet one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ greet you. 1Co 7:17 But as God has distributed to each one, as the Lord has called each one, so let him walk. And so I ordain in all the churches. 1Co 11:16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God. 3 *Bible mentions "church = believers".* Rom 16:5 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia to Christ. 1Co 16:19 The churches of Asia greet you. Aquila and Priscilla greet you heartily in the Lord, with the church that is in their house. Col 4:15 Greet the brethren who are in Laodicea, and Nymphas and the church that is in his house. 4 *R Catholics have the wrong definition of Church. To R Catholics, Church meant R Catholic Church which Bible says its Not!* ⭐ Was Church of Rome the Only Church for 1500 years? ⭐ The answer is Most Certainly Not. R Catholics were fed misinformation by R Church claiming there was only one church in history. R Catholics do not read the Bible and Real Church history. There were so many churches in history and in the Bible. Church of Rome (current R Catholic Church) was merely one local church out of many local churches in history. Church of Galatians, Church of Ephesus, Church of Philippians, Church of Colossians, Church of Corinthians, Church of Smyrna, Church of Jerusalem, Church of Philadephia, Church of Laodicea Church of Jerusalem Church of Antioch Church of Pergamum Church of Thyatira Church of Sardis Local churches mentioned in the Bible: Antioch, Pisidia: Acts 13:14; Gal 1:2 Antioch, Syria: Acts 11:26 (Paul's home base) Athens: Acts 17:34 Babylon: 1 Peter 5:13; Acts 2:9 Berea: Acts 17:11 Caesarea: Acts 10:1,48 Cenchrea: Rom 16:1 Colossae: Col 1:2 Corinth: Acts 18:1 Crete: Titus 1:5 Cyrene: Acts 11:20 Damascus: Acts 9:19 Derbe: Acts 14:20; Gal 1:2 Ephesus: Acts 18:19 Hierapolis Col 4:13 Iconium: Acts 14:1; Gal 1:2 Jerusalem: Acts 2:5 Joppa: Acts 9:36, 38 Laodicea: Rev 1:11, Col 4:15 Lydda: Acts 9:32 Lystra: Acts 14:6; Gal 1:2 Pergamum: Rev 1:11 Philadelphia: Rev 1:11 Philippi: Acts 16:12 Puteoli, Italy: Acts 28:13-14 Rome: Rom 1:7 Sardis: Rev 1:11 Sharon: Acts 9:35 Smyrna: Rev 1:11 Tarsus: Acts 9:30 Thessalonica: Acts 17:1 Thyatira: Rev 1:11; Acts 16:14 Troas: Acts 20:6-7 Regions of churches: Region of Phoencia: Acts 11:19 Region of Samaria: Acts 8:14, 25 Churches of Judea: Gal 1:22 Churches of Galatia: Gal 1:2 Churches of Asia: 1 Cor 16:19 Churches of Macedonia: 2 Cor 8:1

@faithalone2171

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​@@veritas220 In ad 300s it was called Church of Rome or the Latin Church or the Western Church. It was just a local church. It became prominent due to its backing from Rome and later became part of the Pentarchy consisting of 5 prominent local churches - Rome, Jerusalem, Antioch, Constantinople, Alexandria. Pentarchy + all local churches then formed the Church or the Universal Church. R Church was never the Church. History tells us Roman Church was just one of 5 prominent local churches. Together with other smaller local churches they formed the CHURCH or UNIVERSAL CHURCH. Roman cult was NOT at any point of history the CHURCH or UNIVERSAL CHURCH!* Rome was part of the original Pentarchy and had the honor of first among equals. However, the Catholic Church since the time of Charlemagne has been away from the other 4 Holy Sees. Leaving officially in 1054 and sealing the deal with the sacking of Constantinople during the 4th Crusade in 1204. Pentarchy (from the Greek Πενταρχία, Pentarchía, from πέντε pénte, "five", and ἄρχειν archein, "to rule") is a model of Church organization historically championed in the Eastern Orthodox Church. It found its fullest expression in the laws of Emperor Justinian I of the Roman Empire. In the model, the Christian church is governed by the heads (patriarchs) of the five major episcopal sees of the Roman Empire: Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem.[3] The idea came about because of the political and ecclesiastical prominence of these five sees, but the concept of their universal and exclusive authority was firmly tied to the administrative structure of the Roman Empire. The pentarchy was first legally expressed in the legislation of Emperor Justinian I (527-565), particularly in Novella 131. The Quinisext Council of 692 gave it formal recognition and ranked the sees in order of preeminence. Especially following Quinisext, the pentarchy was at least philosophically accepted in Eastern Orthodoxy, but generally not in the West, which rejected the Council, and the concept of the pentarchy.[4] The greater authority of these sees in relation to others was tied to their political and ecclesiastical prominence; all were located in important cities and regions of the Roman Empire and were important centers of the Christian Church. Rome, Alexandria and Antioch were prominent from the time of early Christianity, while Constantinople came to the fore upon becoming the imperial residence in the 4th century. Thereafter it was consistently ranked just after Rome.

Deo gratias!

This is kinda of what happened to me - I grew up Protestant in the Presbyterian church. Then my dad tried to get me to join the Jehovah witnesses but I wasn’t buying the witnesses and decided to research the history of Christianity while endeavouring to read the entire bible. After both goals were accomplished I was led to the Catholic Church.

Tony doesn’t like your videos very much lol

@tony1685

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hey, just read this! videos can be good, but this one is sad. i always pray that when they are finished, we can all discuss differences in understanding we may have. *Truth invites investigation!* ~ catholicism very clearly runs from It ~

@tony1685

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note: it's been over 2 months and mr catechumen still hasn't even attempted to disprove any of my comments. this is *Exactly* why i left catholicism after 35 yrs of Bible illiteracy. questions and comments always welcomed and encouraged. (sadly this 'church' can't say such)

@veritas220

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@jasmin -- seriously!! The trolling is real with that one.

@tony1685

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@@veritas220 1 Thess 5:21 shows this is what Christians do. Ephesians 5:11 also. it's sad you're too 'offended' to actually dig into Truth.

@veritas220

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@@tony1685 - 🤣🤣 You're not "offensive." You're pathetic. BIG difference.

I have a question: why did you consider catholicism instead of Eastern orthodoxy?

@thecatechumen

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I can address this in a future video! Thanks for the question!

@tony1685

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neither of them obey Exodus 20:8-11, both bow to the papacy and man made rules - opting to make a 'pope' their god, rather than our Creator.

@thecatechumen

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@@tony1685 Exodus 20:8-11 is a ceremonial law to distinguish the Israelites from the nations around them. It is not inherently moral and is abrogated by the New Covenant along with the rest of the ceremonial laws. I don't know what you mean by "bow to the papacy and man made rules." That is sort of broad and subjective. Instead, we worship the God of Scripture and Him alone. Every doctrine is based upon His word that has been handed down to us through every generation. Further, the Catholic church has never taught that the pope is God, equal to God, or anything to that effect. The pope is God's servant, and the servant of all of God's church.

@tony1685

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@@thecatechumen no It's not - It was blessed 2,000 years *BEFORE* there was a jew. and why would you say It's abrogated, when the Bible shows nothing of the sort and everyone in the NT still keeping the Lords day ? you wrote: _'I don't know what you mean by 'bow to the papacy and man made rules.''_ - sure you do - see Exodus 20:8-11, then compare that with the day you all pretend is Holy. is there Scripture supporting this or is it man made?

@tony1685

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@@thecatechumen you stated: _'Nothing which is believed or practiced is in contradiction to Scripture.'_ - but still haven't shown where the 1st day is sanctified, blessed, made Holy or 'kept' in all the Bible. we can't 'keep' something if it's not be sanctified nor blessed , can we?

​ @alfray1072 *Yes Bible does say Church and leaders have certain authority. But even then ... they still appealed to "what GOd says and said" as doctrines. They did not use "their Own WOrds" or "traditions"* 1. Peter appealed using what God told him: to him rgd his vision of the clean and unclean animals in Acts 10.. That gentiles are accepted. Act 10:13 And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." Act 10:14 But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." Act 10:15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." Act 15:7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: "Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 2. James appealed using the Word of God: Act 15:13 And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, "Men and brethren, listen to me: Act 15:14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. Act 15:15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written: Act 15:16 'AFTER THIS I WILL RETURN AND WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID, WHICH HAS FALLEN DOWN; I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL SET IT UP; Act 15:17 SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, EVEN ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME, SAYS THE LORD WHO DOES ALL THESE THINGS.' Act 15:18 "Known to God from eternity are all His works. Act 15:19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 3. Apostles Barnabas and Paul appealed to the “works of GOD done on the Gentiles”. Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. you said Paul and Barnabas could not settle the issue of circumcision by their own personal interpretation.

La sabiduría de Dios, como don, está contigo.

​ @Sanjiv Jhangiani *Yes according to the tales of R Church. BIble does not say that.* *There are two Greek words for cousin - Anepsios, Sunggenis. If nt authors wanted to mean "cousin" they would have used so.* *Of all the 300+ usages of the word Adelphos in New Testament, they were all translated as brother, brothers, brethren. Not once they were translated as relatives or cousins.* you said Concerning the "brothers" of Jesus Christ. They could be half-brothers if Joseph was a widower and had children with his first wife. Also, in the middle east, it's customary to refer to first cousins as brothers and sisters, because family relationships are tighter than they are for us in the West.

​ @alf ray *YEs i agree. Jesus did not hand out any R ct Bibles. Jesus and Apostles already called "partial Scriptures" Scriptures. So they already had Scriptures. Not Bible.* *And 150+ times Jesus APostles and NT Church appealed to Scriptrues Only for doctrines. Not once they appealed to traditions of Moses or Pharisees. Why is that so?* you said Jesus did not handed out R Ct bibles

I think the early Christians were trying to maintain orthodox doctrines and have unity and they did that with bishops and elevating the bishop of Rome to head of all of Christendom (Jerome explains). So I see what they were doing. Now that we have the bible in all of our hands, we are much more capable of avoiding error now. But things like Mormonism still pops up. You can't force everyone to agree. God is not a God of force. and then whe you put all your eggs in one basket and that basket is humans, you're in real trouble and heresies can develop and take over. That's exactly what happened. When the bible got into the hand of the everyday people with the invention of the printing press, people saw that the Catholic church had really gone off the rails, and the protestant reformation was the result. Get back to the truth!

​ @alf ray *Yes Bible does say Church has certain authority. Bible says even Church apealed to Scriptures Only for doctrines. Why is that so? Acts 15.* *Bible says God's Word is truth. Jn **17:17**.* you said THE CHURCH IS PILLAR AND GROUND OF TRUTH (1 TIM 3:15).

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What if you cannot eat bread, or drink wine for health reasons?

@wojteks.5132

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One thing I know is that Catholics can make a "spiritual communion" in prayer, expressing their desire to receive Christ spiritually when they cannot do so physically in the form of bread and wine.

What’s the music in the introduction?

Why does the bread turn into Jesus in only 4 words when he says he gave thanksgiving at length over it? Protestants don't treat communion like ordinary bread and wine either. We know it represents what Jesus did, and we have respect for Jesus.

​ @alfray1072 *Thank you for your admission. They did not cite any traditions of Moses or Pharisees. APostles cited Scriptures Only. Scripture Alone doctrine stands unchallenged.* you said Why would they cite the Mosaic Law? The Mosaic Law Circumcision is the one in question in ACTS 15! The reason for convening a council is to hear the church decision if it is "binding" or "non binding". Again, you don't understand what really authority, councils is.

Here's the primary source of talking to the average Catholic "Do you go to church?" "No." "What do you know about it?" "uh nothing." "Do you read the bible?" "The mass has verses, right?" etc etc.

@mariasoniamoreno3433

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Sad, but true. Also, not a single Protestant is like that. Nominal Protestants don't exist.

Bring up the Book of Common Prayer and the Book of Mormon sometime ?

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

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lol?

​ @alf ray *Bible implies Mary was a sinner:* 1. Mary had to bring Sin Offering. Lev 12:6. Sin Offering is for sins. 2. Mary needed to be purified. Lev 12:6. All impurity in OT is sin. 3. Mary needed atonement for sins. Lev 12:7, 8. Atonement is for sin. Why else she needed atonement? Only sin needed atonement. 4. Which part says Mary was sinless? Chapter verse? *Traditions + BIBLE says Mary was a sinner:* 5. Tradition says Mary died at 60 years of age. But why would a sinless person die a natural death at such a young age ? BIBLE history tells us almost sinless Patriarchs lived to about 900 years old. So it is clear Mary was just a sinner. Her genes were defective. Inherent sin in the human genome produces inherited physical mutations. Over many generations, the human population has experienced myriads of genetic mutations, and these defects have been incorporated into the common human gene pool, affecting every infant ever born. This is why the lifespan of men has declined from 900+ years in the pre-Flood world to 200+ years of Abraham’s contemporaries and ultimately to 70-80 years today. Mary did not live to be 900 years old. She was not martyred at a young age. Her body suffered the ravages of imperfection. She had a defective human genome and died a normal age (approximately 60) for a woman of that time. *6. Romanists claimed Mary was the woman in Rev 12. Why would a sinless person have Birth Pangs? Birth Pangs came from the curse of Sin.* Luk 2:22 Now when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord Luk 2:23 (as it is written in the law of the Lord, "EVERY MALE WHO OPENS THE WOMB SHALL BE CALLED HOLY TO THE LORD" ), Luk 2:24 and to offer a sacrifice according to what is said in the law of the Lord, "A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVES OR TWO YOUNG PIGEONS." Leviticus 12:6-8 (NKJV) 6 'When the days of her purification are fulfilled, whether for a son or a daughter, she shall bring to the priest a lamb of the first year as a burnt offering, and a young pigeon or a turtledove as a sin offering, to the door of the tabernacle of meeting. 7 Then he shall offer it before the LORD, and make atonement for her. And she shall be clean from the flow of her blood. This is the law for her who has borne a male or a female. 8 'And if she is not able to bring a lamb, then she may bring two turtledoves or two young pigeons-one as a burnt offering and the other as a sin offering. So the priest shall make atonement for her, and she will be clean.' Rom 3:10 As it is written: "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE; Lev 14:19 "Then the priest shall offer the sin offering, and make atonement for him who is to be cleansed from his uncleanness. Afterward he shall kill the burnt offering. Lev 15:30 Then the priest shall offer the one as a sin offering and the other as a burnt offering, and the priest shall make atonement for her before the LORD for the discharge of her uncleanness. Lev 16:16 So he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions, for all their sins; and so he shall do for the tabernacle of meeting which remains among them in the midst of their uncleanness.

The more I saw protestants take shots at Catholics the more I studied it and the more curious I became and now Im going to Catholic church

​ @alf ray *Yes you have a problem. Nowhere in 1 Pet **5:13** says Peter was in Rome (or the code name Babylon). It merely said some people in Babylon greeted someone else. Lol* *If you claim babylon = Rome, then you are proving R ct = the Apostate Church in REv 17-18. So this is worse.* you said She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.” (1 Pet. 5:13). Babylon is a code-word for Rome. It is used that way multiple times in works like the Sibylline Oracles (5:159f), the Apocalypse of Baruch (2:1), and 4 Esdras (3:1). Eusebius Pamphilius, in History of the Church, composed between the years 300 and 325 AD, noted that “It is said that Peter’s first epistle, in which he makes mention of Mark, was composed at Rome itself; and that he himself indicates this, referring to the city figuratively as Babylon” (2, 15, 4).

Did you ever explore Lutheranism? Eastern Orthodoxy? Old Catholicism? The Coptic church? Armenian? Etc All these churches believe what the early church believed in these matters too.

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Yep! And perhaps I can do a video on all of these subjects in the future, but sooner or later I was convinced of the papacy, and I see the marks of the church (one, holy, Catholic, apostolic) as fulfilled in the Catholic Church. At the moment, I’m mostly focusing on why I left Protestantism in general (check out my recent video on the reasons why I don’t believe in sola scriptura). However, I am going to make videos on distinctive Catholic doctrines too.

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@@thecatechumen How did you get past Peter becoming bishop of Antioch rather than bishop of Rome if the claim is that Jesus made him pope, bishop of Rome at the rock verse? Jerome confirms.

Have you seen the KZread channel Return to tradition by Anthony Stein

@thecatechumen

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I think I’ve run across it before. Isn’t it very anti-pope Francis? 🤔

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@@thecatechumen He's a bit political. And sometimes uncharitable. To be fair, once you dive deeper into Catholic rites and traditions (to my layman's understanding), the technical and legal side of all that we do matters in spiritual warfare. Because the evil one and his demons, and this is confirmed by priests and laity involved in deliverance ministry, aka excorcism, have revealed their love for all things lax in our faith. Not kneeling while receiving Christ, touching God with unconsecrated hands etc. Traditionalists are affirmed in their zeal by this. Masons hates TLM. It's all there somewhere in church history. The Pope dislikes rigid Catholics, who prefer to revere God the original way, hence, trads disapproval of the pope. I personally love Fr. Jim Blount. His messages and zeal for Christ and our Lady is beautiful. God bless you.

​ @alfray1072 *Bible says Do Not Go Beyond Scriptures. 1 Cor 4:6. So Scripture Alone is true.* *Early writers mentioned Scripture Alone multiple times. So Scripture Alone is true.* *Jesus APostles and NT Church demonstrated Scripture Alone. So Scripture Alone is true.*

​ @alf ray *Jesus Apostles and NT Church demonstrated Scripture Alone 150+ times in NT alone. Demonstrated = doctrine.* Example: UdemonstratedDness. So UrD is a doctrine.* you said There is no declaration of sola scriptura false doctrine by Jesus.

Protestantism is man-made, but the Holy Catholic Church is Christ's Church. I do not know everything about the Scriptures or the doctrines of the Church yet and might never be, but I have faith in Jesus and the Holy Apostolic Church. We are all on a journey towards the essence of Christianity, Jesus' Divine Mercy. Jesus is longing for us. Protestants are still welcome and invited to come back to Christ. They have been misled by no fault of their own. Let us pray for their enlightenment and coming to the Truth. The Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scriptures help us and will lead us all to salvation.

​ @alf ray *Bible does not say "Peter went to Rome to become some bishop of rome". Neither does Bible says "wherever bishop of Rome is, the Church migrates there". Neither "Peter = prime minister or gate keeper" and allthensRctists like you invented".* *You wrote your own Bible?* you said the authority of the church sits in Rome because that is were the Universal Bishop is, The Gatekeeper / Prime Minister of the kingdom,

Been Catholic my whole life. Never wavered. My Church does the Tridentine mass in Latin. There is nothing else like it (they live stream it every week on KZread if you are interested st john cantius KZread channel)

👍👍📿🙏✝️💚🧡❤️💛💜🤍💙 God bless you..

@thecatechumen

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Blessings!

​ @The Catechumen *Totally no answer? Nice theory. Who said bishop of Rome was not just any bishop? Did Jesus say so? Did God say so? Did Apostles say so? Or is R church and fans of R Church who said so?*

😁😁

Jesus could have watered down the truth about the Eucharist, but refused when everyone but his apostles walked away following his "Bread of Life" sermon.

@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr

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Yup, we're saved ONLY through him. And they thought he was a prophet! A very hard saying.... But it's true, he is the bread of life (metaphor!). Only through Jesus are we saved!

You are still young, but our Lord enable you to talk wisely.

@thecatechumen

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Thank you for your kind words!

​ @alfray1072 *WHere in MAt 16 says R Church = the Church or R Church inherited the authority of Peter? If you can prove that i will give you a lollipop. Lolol*

​ @alfray1072 *Why no answer lowwit? ​ Jesus and apostles all appealed to Scriptures only as support for doctrines. They cited "it is written, as the Scriptures say" 150 times in nt alone. Not once they appealed to traditions of Pharisees and Moses as doctrines. Why is that so lowwit? Please answer.* Mat 2:5 So they said to him, "In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus *it is written* by the prophet: Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, " *It is written* , 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE BY BREAD ALONE, BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD.' " Mat 4:6 and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For *it is written* : 'HE SHALL GIVE HIS ANGELS CHARGE OVER YOU,' and, IN THEIR HANDS THEY SHALL BEAR YOU UP, LEST YOU DASH YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.' " Mat 4:7 Jesus said to him, "* It is written* again, 'YOU SHALL NOT TEMPT THE LORD YOUR GOD.' " Mat 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For *it is written* , 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND HIM ONLY YOU SHALL SERVE.' " Mat 11:10 For this is he of whom *it is written* : 'BEHOLD, I SEND MY MESSENGER BEFORE YOUR FACE, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY BEFORE YOU.' Mat 21:13 And He said to them, " *It is written* , 'MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER,' but you have made it a 'DEN OF THIEVES.'" Mat 26:24 The Son of Man indeed goes just as *it is written* of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born."

​ @alfray1072 *Where in Isaiah 22 says its Peter Ulowwit? Where is Sola Rct lowwit? WHere is Sola papa lowwit?* you said The kingdom of Israel had a Prime Minister, they are the gatekeeper, no sola scriptura. Shebna was the royal steward (`asher `al ha-bayith, "he who is over the house"; the chief or prime minister of state) in the reign of king Hezekiah of Judah, according to the Hebrew Bible. The OT is the foreshadowing of the NT. The Prime Minister holds the keys to the kingdom old and new covenant. During the lifetime of the prophet Isaiah, a man named Shebna was the ’asher ‘al-habayith of the kingdom. But he prepared a tomb for himself in the special place reserved for the royal sons of David. Like Denethor, he confused his role with that of the king and was no longer worthy of his office. So God sent Isaiah to Shebna with news that he would be replaced by a more righteous man, Eliakim the son of Hilkiah: Thus says the LORD to Shebna, master of the palace: “I will thrust you from your office and pull you down from your station. In that day I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah; I will clothe him with your robe, and gird him with your girdle, and give over to him your authority. He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. I will place on Eliakim’s shoulder the key of the House of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut and none shall open. I will fix him like a peg in a sure spot, to be a throne of honor to his father’s house” (ISAIAH 22:19-23). Although this royal steward is mentioned elsewhere in Scripture (e.g. 1 Kings 4:1-6; 18:3; 2 Kings 15:5; 18:18, 37; 19:2), here we learn so much about this unique office. Notice, for example, that the symbol of the prime minister’s authority was a key, as he had the power to open doors as well as to close doors to those who sought the king’s presence. He wore special robes of honor and a girdle, a traditional priestly garment (Lev. 8:7). His office did not cease with his death: it was a chair to be filled by one man succeeding another. He was “a father” to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. He was someone who you can hang a lot of weight on, like a peg in a sure spot. (CATHOLIC ANSWERS)

​ @alfray1072 *We do not need exact words to prove a doctrine. Trinity is a good example.* *Jesus APostles and NT Church demonstrated Scripture Alone doctrine. They "cited Scriptures Only 150+ times in NT alone + they did not cite from traditions of Moses or Pharisees = Scripture Alone doctrine is true".* *Demonstrated = doctrine.* *Example:* You demonstrated Dness. Therefore URD is a doctrine.* you said Unless you show me the verse saying Jesus declaring "sola scriptura"

​ @alfray1072 *TOo bad Acts 15 shows even Church appealed to "what God says and said" for doctrines. And it was done by APostles and elders. Acts 16:4. Not Peter alone which R Catholics claimed.* *Even nt Church of the Bible (Apostles and elders) appealed to the Word of God for determination of doctrines in Acts 15. The council did not decide based on their own words; neither on traditions of Pharisees or Moses. They based their decisions on "WHAT GOD SAID". Yes they met at Jerusalem council Acts 15 to discuss. But they appeal to what God says. Using God's word to decide what to do!* *Bible says decision was made by Apostles and elders. Not single leader Peter!! (let alone pope). Acts 15:6, 16:4.* Act 15:6 Now the *apostles and elders* came together to consider this matter. Act 16:4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered to them the decrees to keep, which were *determined by the apostles and elders* at Jerusalem. *1. Peter appealed using what God told him:* to him rgd his vision of the clean and unclean animals in Acts 10.. That gentiles are accepted. Act 10:13 And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." Act 10:14 But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." Act 10:15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." Act 15:7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: "Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. *2. James appealed using the Word of God:* Act 15:13 And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, "Men and brethren, listen to me: Act 15:14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. Act 15:15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written: Act 15:16 'AFTER THIS I WILL RETURN AND WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID, WHICH HAS FALLEN DOWN; I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL SET IT UP; Act 15:17 SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, EVEN ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME, SAYS THE LORD WHO DOES ALL THESE THINGS.' Act 15:18 "Known to God from eternity are all His works. Act 15:19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, *3. Apostles Barnabas and Paul appealed to the “works of GOD done on the Gentiles”.* Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. you said The apostles appealed to the authority of the church by convening The Council of Jerusalem in ACTS 15

If the Didache is what God wants, then why don't they do it that way anymore?

​ @alf ray *So where in the Bible says Mary was sinless? If you can prove that i will give you a lollipop.*

That's interesting how you took docetism and interpreted that line from Ignatius. Is the strange thing that Jesus didn't have a physical body or that the bread isn't literally Jesus? I feel like you wouldn't want to represent Jesus in a physical way if you didn't think he was physical. It's interesting that you think this proves transubstantiation. Why would they stop praying and helping people? I feel like people all innately have a hard time believing that the bread is literally Jesus. That's a hard one. But only defined in 1200 because only then did people really have a hard time with it?

​ @alfray1072 *Scriptures, Jesus, APostles, Nt Church, early writers all demonstrated Scripture Alone doctrine. So its not an opinion. Yours is an opinion.* you said Just personal opinion

​ @alf ray *Jesus Apostles and NT Church all appealed to Scriptures Only for doctrines. Not once they appealed to traditions of Moses or Pharisees for doctrines. 150+ times they cited Written Word/Scriptures. Why is that so?* *R ct doctrines came from m m traditions. Mat 15, Mat 23. Bible does not condone that. Bible only accepts traditions of Jesus and Apostles. 2 Thes **2:15**. 95% of r ct doctrines did not come from them or Scriptures.* you said not sola scriptura protestant cults or sects found in Amerika LOL

​ @The Catechumen *You just admitted to: 'None of the verses says “enter the Church through Baptism.“'. You have proven how you tws the Word of God to fit your m m doctrines.* you said The Bible says that we enter the Church through Baptism (Acts 2:38-41, Romans 6) The equivocation of "Church = believers" is absolutely unsubstantiated. you said Romans 6 says that we enter Christ by Baptism. Acts 2 says that we are baptized for the forgiveness of sins and to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. When the converts were Baptized, they were added to the Church.

You are making justifications for using other writings and traditions equal to the Scriptures. It is very difficult for me to accept the dogmas of the Magisterium to be on the same level as the inspired Word of God, especially when they are diametrically opposed to each other. Do you not see that the Biblical Jesus give eternal life whereas the Catholic Jesus gives conditional life?

@alfray1072

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The Holy bible is a declared CANON of the Catholic Church in the 4th century. Without the Catholic Church there is no Canon of Scriptures / holy bible

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I think Jesus gives conditional eternal life too - we must repent and follow him. The devils also believe. So I guess what does it mean to follow him is the question? The bible says true religion is visiting the widows and the orphans. Repenting.

​ @alf ray *Bible describes both visible and invisible Church. Just not R Catholic Church. Where in the Bible says its R Church and not other churches?* *Bible says Church refers to all churches + all believers. Not some R church.* you said What does MAT 16:18-19 say? THE CHURCH IS PILLAR AND GROUND OF TRUTH (1 TIM 3:15). Stop talking to your invisible protestant friend

The only Church founded by Jesus Christ.

​ @matthieuhordynski5384 *Yes the usual tales of R ctists. Bible does not say so. So where is your proof R ct = the Church CHrist founded or the Universal Church?* you said only Church instituted by Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, the Catholic Church

It sounds more like you are having a knee jerk reaction because you felt like Catholicism was unfairly attacked. Going all the way to superstitious magic medalions already?

​ @The Catechumen *Scripture Alone = appealing to Scriptures only + not appealing traditions of Moses or Pharisees or men, Mat 15,23..* *R Church appealed to its own m m traditions. Mat 15,23. Anything apart from traditions of Jesus and Apostles = traditions of men. 95% of r church doctrines were not from traditions of Jesus or Apostles or Scriptures.*

I really have enjoyed your videos and the steps in your faith journey. I am surprised you were never introduced to Foxe’s Book of the Martyrs as a Protestant. It was written in the 1500s and includes many Protestants martyred for their faith during the Reformation. I know nothing of the Baptist tradition, but am surprised it did not educate those being raised in the tradition the history of the Protestant church especially its beginnings. A fascinating time in human history.

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​ @darrylclark563 *R catholics love to demonstrate they do not read the Bible. James 5 says nothing about confessing to r ct priests. It merely said confess to fellow believers if you read it in context. Fellow believers cannot forgive your sins or "absolve" any sins (btw this word absolve is unbiblical and absent from Scriptures).* *The rest were misquotes too. Mat 16 says nothing of R ct inheriting any authority of Peter or R church = the Church Christ founded. R Catholics really love pretending its there.* *James is a misquote too. Leave it for later.* you said Regarding Peter: Mathew 16:18 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; regarding confession: James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another; regarding faith and works read the passage of James 2:14-26. Thankyou for the opportunity to contribute to the conversation.

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@@jediv9910 Christ gave authority to the church to forgive sins. Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter and the authority to BIND AND LOOSE to his church in MAT 16:18-19 ; MAT 18:18 meanign Peter / Cephas is the chief among the apostles. In JOHN 20:21-23, Our Lord gave us the sacrament of confession and reconciliation; St. Paul expanded on it in 2 CORINTHIANS 2: 10; telling the elders at Corinth that when they forgive.....it is in the person of Christ. Jesus' ministry was all about reconciling us with the Father. for one, St. Paul describes his ministry as an apostle as a “priestly” ministry in Romans 15:16. That seems pretty plain to me. In fact, the apostles and elders of the New Testament clearly forgive sins, which is a function of a priest as well in John 20:23; James 5:14. And this is just to scratch the surface. So in answer to your point, the apostles and elders of the New Covenant are revealed to be priests in Christ after the order of Melchizadek. That is why we call them “priests.” They are priests. Jesus gives his power to forgive sins to His priests. John 20:22 If you forgive anyone's sins, they are forgiven; if you retain anyone's sins, they are retained. John 20:23 After saying this he breathed on them and said: Receive the Holy Spirit. (Recall Genesis 2:7) 2 Corinthians 5:17-20 "God ... has reconciled us to himself ... given us the ministry of reconciliation." James 5:14-15 "Presbyters of the church ... pray over him ... he will be forgiven." (Prayer of presbyters forgives sin.) Matthew 16:19 Jesus gives the Apostles the power to bind and loose sins. Matthew 18:18 Whatever you bind and loose on earth, so it is in Heaven. See also: Luke 22:29-30, James 5:16 After forgiveness, the need for reparation can remain. 2 Samuel 12:13-14 "The LORD ... has forgiven your sin ... but ... child born to you must surely die." Luke 19:8-9 Jesus praises Zacchaeus for his promise of reparation.

@jediv9910

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​@@alfray1072 *Yes Bible says Church has certain authority. Bible just does not say R Church = the Church.* *Bible says even Church appealed to Scriptures Only for doctrines. Acts 15. Why is that so?* *Jesus APostles and NT CHurch all appealed to Scriptures Only. 150+ times they did that. Not once they appealed to traditions of Moses or Pharisees. Why is that so?* you said Christ gave authority to the church to forgive sins. Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to Peter and the authority to BIND AND LOOSE to his church in MAT 16:18-19 ; MAT 18:18 meanign Peter / Cephas is the chief among the apostles. In JOHN 20:21-23, Our Lord gave us the sacrament of confession and reconciliation; St. Paul expanded on it in 2 CORINTHIANS 2: 10; telling the elders at Corinth that when they forgive.....it is in the person of Christ. Jesus' ministry was all about reconciling us with the Father. for one, St. Paul describes his ministry as an apostle as a “priestly” ministry in Romans 15:16. That seems pretty plain to me. In fact, the apostles and elders of the New Testament clearly forgive sins, which is a function of a priest as well in John 20:23; James 5:14. And this is just to scratch the surface. So in answer to your point, the apostles and elders of the New Covenant are revealed to be priests in Christ after the order of Melchizadek. That is why we call them “priests.” They are priests. Jesus gives his power to forgive sins to His priests. John 20:22 If you forgive anyone's sins, they are forgiven; if you retain anyone's sins, they are retained. John 20:23 After saying this he breathed on them and said: Receive the Holy Spirit. (Recall Genesis 2:7) 2 Corinthians 5:17-20 "God ... has reconciled us to himself ... given us the ministry of reconciliation." James 5:14-15 "Presbyters of the church ... pray over him ... he will be forgiven." (Prayer of presbyters forgives sin.) Matthew 16:19 Jesus gives the Apostles the power to bind and loose sins. Matthew 18:18 Whatever you bind and loose on earth, so it is in Heaven. See also: Luke 22:29-30, James 5:16 After forgiveness, the need for reparation can remain. 2 Samuel 12:13-14 "The LORD ... has forgiven your sin ... but ... child born to you must surely die." Luke 19:8-9 Jesus praises Zacchaeus for his promise of reparation.