"The Bible is true because God inspired it. It says so right there in the Bible." How hard is it to see the circular argument here?

@mushroomfat

7 жыл бұрын

Erik it's difficult when they're told to believe something and made to feel "foolish in their heart" for not believing something

@Erik-yw9kj

7 жыл бұрын

mushroomfat Fair point - when you're told that you can't trust your own judgement, and that any doubt you feel is a dire sin - I guess it's easy to train yourself *out* of seeing the flaws. =\

@boscorner

6 жыл бұрын

as a former Christian... very difficult sadly.

@DarkVWolf

6 жыл бұрын

boscorner No it’s not difficult.

@boscorner

6 жыл бұрын

DarkVWolf It's easy to see now of course, but It doesn't seem illogical when you are brainwashed by christianity. Thats why lots of former christians are pretty embarassed.

holy shit Aaron and Matt. epic combo

@bukowski20

6 күн бұрын

Yes. ANYONE calling in will be steamrolled by logic and sound arguments.

I like this AronRa guy. He seems like a pretty genuine dude.

@CorvintusDK

9 жыл бұрын

Jude K You should look him up on youtube. He is quite a cool guy.

@daverobertson623

9 жыл бұрын

Jude K - he is pretty cool and reasonable when debating people, especially stupid people, it seems like patience is his virtue!

@SockerConny80

7 жыл бұрын

his only problem is supporting feminazi dogma.

@FallingGalaxy

7 жыл бұрын

So says another young (or mentally disordered old) dude who's afraid women might actually one day BE treated equally.

@FallingGalaxy

7 жыл бұрын

*Added in here, that's not to say there aren't extremists who have issues of their own and are 'man haters' within feminism, because there are, but the idea of equality for both men and women, and studying the fact that in daily life we tend to give more credence, more respect, more everything, to men, isn't harmful, and can actually help make a better world for all of us. Both men and women are often perpetuating the problem of sexism, which is why it takes us all to resolve it.

Stefan lost this argument when he said, "Hi...."

@yevodee4024

4 жыл бұрын

Don't you know that each and every god-espousing book is true? After all every such book is true because every such book says that it is true.

How love how creationists call in thinking that they're going to convert people with their awesome logic, and then they just say the same thing that's been said hundreds of times before. Usually been debunked as well.

@markmehlhorn2836

2 жыл бұрын

Stefan is a goof nothing more nothing less. 🤪

Cesar (Stefan) is smart enough to call himself by a different name but not smart enough to disguise his voice or change his approach.

@garygalt4146

6 жыл бұрын

Matthew Harrison (

I never understood how Christians can believe god has some great master plan and that our lives are already planned out but also believe in free will. How does that work?

@2l84me8

3 жыл бұрын

It simply can’t.

thank you atheist experience for everything you do, these guys are the reason I became an atheist/agnostic. the atheist experience was the first atheist channel I watched and made me question my faith. you guys are awesome

Faith is believing, when it's beyond the power of reason, to believe.- Voltaire

AronRa is fucking AWESOME!

@MMDelta9

7 жыл бұрын

In retro spec (and since Atheism+) I find myself having to redact this sentiment.

@danielpierik212

7 жыл бұрын

M McQuarrie okay why? why is he not awesome?

@MMDelta9

7 жыл бұрын

He drank the atheism+ kool-aid and fell into the same gender identity politics trap that has since plagued the atheist circles on the internet, kowtowing to the social justice sphere and abandoning all objectivity. In short, he became what he criticized, someone who lets ideologies subvert and dictate what he should believe as opposed to letting the evidence speak for itself.

@danielpierik212

7 жыл бұрын

M McQuarrie i have whatched him for over a year now and the only thing he said to that affect was: i indentify as a feminist. now if that are gender politics i dont fucking know what is what anymore.

@MMDelta9

7 жыл бұрын

Saying you're a "feminist" is one thing. Saying stupid shit like "if you are a feminist, you are a sexist, by definition," is another.

Wow, at 2:35 that is the best definition of religious belief I've heard yet. I'm going to have to write that one down. "You have a belief system that is dependent upon faith. Faith is an assertion of absolute conviction, that is assumed independent of evidence and must be defended against all evidence to it's contrary." Profound

Plot twist: The dude on left is actually Jesus.

@jameswest8280

6 жыл бұрын

Except Aron is real, and not a douche.

@dikhed1983

6 жыл бұрын

Woah

@tanjavankessel2548

6 жыл бұрын

King Animal 😂😂

@brucebaker810

5 жыл бұрын

Nah. Jesus had long dark hair. Check. Jesus was white. Check. But Jesus didn't have no mustache. I've seen lotsa pitchers.

@andrew_35

5 жыл бұрын

If Jesus was actually wise he would have sounded like Aron

"accepting atheism". By the time I "accepted atheism", the only thing I accepted was the fact that I had been an atheist for days. I became an atheist the instant I stopped believing in God.

@nikolaneberemed

7 жыл бұрын

Actually, we're all atheists at birth. Nobody is born believing in any gods.

@kinganimal3075

7 жыл бұрын

Every single person on this Earth is an atheist in respect to the hundreds of gods that have been created.

@nikolaneberemed

7 жыл бұрын

***** Agnostic and atheist are two different ball games. The former is a claim of knowledge, the other a claim of belief. Agnostics say they don't know or can't know something, gnostics say the opposite. Theists say they believe god/gods exist, atheists lack the belief. You can be an agnostic atheist, saying that you don't know whether there are any gods, and not holding any god beliefs. You can be a gnostic atheist, or anti-theist, claiming that you know no gods exist and holding no god beliefs. If you imagine a Venn diagram with a paper and one circle on it, the people inside the circle are theists and those outside are atheists. Nobody is sitting on the fence, nobody is on the circle. Everyone is either inside the circle, holding a god belief, or outside, holding no god beliefs.

@zemorph42

7 жыл бұрын

***** _+nikolaneberemed, The atheist does not believe in the existence of god and, for him not to believe, first he needs to know what god is._ That is the stupidest sentence I think I have ever read. Creationists don't believe in evolution or cosmology, but rarely have any clue what they really are, which is evident whenever they conflate the two, and all the rest of the sciences under "Evolutionism" as if it was an umbrella term applying to everything that they are too lazy to actually learn anything about. You don't have to know anything about a claim to lack belief in it, and not much more to reject it. _We are all born agnostic, which means that we do not have the knowledge whether to believe or not believe in the existence of God._ If you don't even have the concept, you can not have belief in it. No belief = lack of belief, which is all that is required for atheism.

@Amoth_oth_ras_shash

7 жыл бұрын

no.. you cant acept something thats unproven , if you know what an atheist is...there is no fence ,theres just a group of people on this rock and some of those people walks around talking with invicible friends they demand others should consider real.

I love Matt and Aron-such brilliant people! I hope more and more people really listen to them

I love how they can do this without stepping on each other.

~ Thank you, TAE, Matt, AronRa ~ A decade later and still engaging and truthful. Shame on any commenting here in the negative. Truth wins. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~

"I saw a dragon in the garden!" "That's silly, there's no such thing as dragons." "Yeah there is, I saw one." "Prove it." "You prove they DON'T exist!" "I was in here drinking some coffee or whatever and you come in hear shouting about dragons and expect me to come up with why there wasn't one in the garden? You're grounded."

Aaron's hair looks like he's taking part in a shampoo advert!

@user-hx5xb4ol7i

10 жыл бұрын

he does have damn good looking hair.

@notimportant3914

6 жыл бұрын

He has mentioned in the past, he uses horse shampoo, I've used it also, but it doesn't make my hair look as good as his.😢

Stefan - world champion in dodging questions.

AronRa could make a great Klingon. :D

@BugRod64

8 жыл бұрын

+Wimpoman how do you he is not?

@Wimpoman

8 жыл бұрын

Google.

@stephaniecuellar3192

6 жыл бұрын

Disney villain He mentioned it in one of his vids.

@cy-one

4 жыл бұрын

Nah, he's way too gentle for that :D

@freehling420 The entirety of this show is done on a volunteer basis, and while I've only just started working on the show a few months ago, I'm proud of the work I've done. I'm glad to go help every single week, and while doing this for a paycheck would be great, I'm happy helping out as much as I can now. It's really people like you who keep the show running, and all the support we get from viewers means a lot to everyone on the show.

How could Aaron have made it more clear than at 6:30?How can he not understand this?

@johnchambers9836

3 ай бұрын

Wilful ignorance

I love your definition of faith AronRa! I am gonna commit that to memory.

Your inability to grasp the concept does not in any way indicate a creator.

Before one reads the bible, the question should be answered: Who wrote this crap ?

@verticalhorizon4633

9 жыл бұрын

Cary Francis You can't know that something is crap UNTIL you read it. So, your comment was meaningless.

@caryfrancis8030

9 жыл бұрын

Vertical Horizon Um ..... I did read the bible cover to cover. Thats how atheists are made.

@zemorph42

7 жыл бұрын

Not me, I was a devoted Child of God for over seven years after I had finished 2 years of intense study of the Bible(at least, as intense as possible without learning the original languages and limping along with only the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew and Greek dictionaries.). Even learning the truth about the Bible didn't shake my faith in God; I continued to believe in God for another 13 years, though my mental conception of Her changed over the years. I had had a personal experience with the Divine and nobody could convince me otherwise, until I learned what evidence is, and Occam's Razor. Before I could rationalize it away, my faith was gone, _poof_, like a puff of smoke. That was the spring of 2013. The only way I can ever believe again is with *evidence*.

@mushroomfat

7 жыл бұрын

Vertical Horizon I know I read enough of it to gather enough evidence to conclude that it is crap.

@chrishakala528

6 жыл бұрын

Phelan According to the Bible, lepers can be cured with animal sacrifice and a blood ritual. There we go! It's crap!

I like how Matt says "correct"

i agree comepletely with the "I am am not selling anything, i am just not buying from anything else". it is one of my favorate mantra's.

If I may add, I really like the 'you need to KNOW that 3 fingers is the stipulation for identifying' part. Because if I'm reading right, that means that I even have to guess which solution, a.k.a. which number - or which deity - you're talking about, as the other possibilities are also, well, possible. Thanks for admitting it, it's pretty rare :)

Why is there a druid on the pannel today

@davids11131113

10 жыл бұрын

Because he's expert at pwning fundamentalists.

Lol he calls the show and doesnt even have a basic idea of what the word atheist even means.

AronRa nailed it with his definition of faith.

AronRa Is so great at explaining.

That hair is majestic as fuck I'll admit that and I'm a grown man. Much admiration.

If you believe in your god and do not believe in another technically means you are athiest so going with that we are all athiest in one way or another

@Khalkara

9 жыл бұрын

james matteson Your comment gave me a brain tumor, thanks alot.

@1991stratplus

9 жыл бұрын

An atheist doesn't believe in any gods though.

it seems religion acts as a deterrant to logical thinking. The more religious you are the harder it seems you grasp simple arguments. It's because that's how the religious are trained. They are told believe in god it's only logical, and also told don't question god with your logic you are not worthy.

@badgerdog4809

7 жыл бұрын

Anonymous Remember too the the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God, and that God will use foolish things the bring down the wisdom of the world, and rightly so.

@thedivinemrm5832

7 жыл бұрын

Utter drivel, Badger.

@PhrontDoor

7 жыл бұрын

+Badger dog So you are saying that your god is the author of foolishness? I like that.

@mushroomfat

7 жыл бұрын

Badger dog another panacea inserted into a book of lifestyle instructions to keep you confused and conflicted, then to be told you MUST believe it without critical questioning, and that "the fool says in his heart that God doesn't exist" so you also feel like you're stupid in the eyes of your god and must correct that pronto. You're logic is not worthy of god, you're a fool for not believing he exists, and you have to believe that he exists regardless of anything that says otherwise.

@badgerdog4809

7 жыл бұрын

Phront Door Come judgement day we will all learn who are the fools here.

I'm actually written a book on exactly this subject, called "The Road to Paradise", Paradise of course used as a metaphore. Trying to show people that their life has value BECAUSE it's going to end I think is a really important task

Aron Ra and Matt: The Alpha and Omega of hairstyles.

God, if you exist, I challenge you to let us know on this KZread thread. If you ain't got an account, just fuckin sign up for one innit.

@Stabsnipers

9 жыл бұрын

It is I, the LORD your God, my child. Bow to me and send me money. Or I shall smite thee and send thee to a place of eternal torment. I accept cash only. No checks, no money orders, no credit cards.

@dr.atheist4146

9 жыл бұрын

I'd do what he says, he seems legit.

@Stabsnipers

9 жыл бұрын

Dr. Atheist Thanks, doc. I grant thee eternal paradise. After you send me money, of course.

@dr.atheist4146

9 жыл бұрын

Stabsnipers What address shall I send my tithing, my lord?

@Stabsnipers

9 жыл бұрын

Dr. Atheist P.O Box: Heaven.

The last two people I would ever want try and win an argument with. Aron and Mat you guys rock!!

I love how these guys are really careful with their use of language because they know that one of the ways that religious people try to attack atheists is through their use of language. Words like faith, belief and generalist statements are avoided and clarified when used. I find it quite entertaining to watch.

5:33 K, I'm done watching. This caller isn't getting it.

How does one accept non-acceptance of a belief?

@verticalhorizon4633

9 жыл бұрын

***** Your question is nonsensical. A non-belief is not a belief; it is a rejection of a belief.

@MrPianoJames I certainly agree that initial position should be neutral. Bias is detrimental to uncovering truth. But after examination starts taking place, some ideas start rapidly losing value. I also apologize for any misunderstanding!

Attention callers. Listening does not mean "thinking of what to say next".

The only "meaning" and/or "purpose" anyone's life has is the "meaning" and "purpose" they give it. In that, we are all the same, atheist and theist.

@5:37 “poop indicates evidence.”

Agreed I misspoke I should have used the term "statement" as an affirmation is: "the assertion that something exists or is true."

I highly enjoyed the subtle pwnage of shock.

@shagoosty concisely put. When someone already have made their minds up, they try to rationalise their belief, and adhere to anything they here that sounds good, ignoring any analsys if the claimed reason is actually true.

Theists; That argument the pastor gave you to call in with, has already been refuted for several years.

@BrentonSteinhilber Thank you Brenton, I am glad to see there are some decent,honest intellectuals left. sometimes people are just so frustrating and just not very understanding.

I can't understand what the caller is saying...

@willmeariver7079

6 жыл бұрын

Pick any rambling idiot off the street and listen. That's about it.

Questions in order: 1- I have no particular wish to challenge a person's belief in God (the reason I said "if") However if I was told that "My God exists" I would ask how they knew that. 2- I would want to see evidence as it would be an expansion of my own knowledge, this is why I would ask "why" in any situation. 3- I am not sure I understand this question, can you expand on this? Did you mean what are my reasons for wanting evidence? 4- again this would be an expansion of my knowledge.

Hey, guys. Great show (you've got the knowledge of phylosophical argumentation and such. Impressive!). Just gotta say: The picture on my screen, the two of you sitting next to eachother,... FUNNY! (keep up the good work!) ;-)

AronRa + Matt Dillahunty = the best combo ever.

Aronra is so eloquent in his ass kicking.

6:55....WOW that was a stunning subject-changequake, even for a Christian!

Poor kid. He's a bit slow and so passionate about his belief. It is so kind of these guys to patiently take time to try to explain their position to him.

Great minds at work.

great upload

tu quoque red herring based on a complete misunderstanding.

My TV fell over, all the hairs on the left of the screen.

The lack of any evidence is good enough proof to me

I will try and help you perceive your lack of understanding, burden of proof, or reasons for non belief (if you must). Two statements. 1)Bob says "There are fairies riding pink unicorns in my garden." 2)John says "I don't believe there are pink fairies riding unicorns in your garden." Who must provide evidence (reasons if you must), Bob , or John ? In advance if you can't reason this out we won't be discussing this any further.

AronRa is fantastic!

What is your evidence for not accepting the tooth fairy, unicorns, the loch ness monster or bigfoot?

@Fortune2point0 its not the definitions Im concerned about. Its the structure of your claim. Whats the difference between "I dont believe x exists" and "I believe x doesnt exist"? Thats the semantics issue I have. These both claims deal with belief. Or to be more precise, the absence of the belief. They essentially mean the same, so how do you distinguish between the two and even give them neutral and negative properties?

@MrCoolUS emm, I agree. There might have been a miscommunication. I was merely defining the position of a reply. Just like your analogy suggests, "I dont know" is the neutral reply (no matter the likelihood of such reply). "I believe" would be a positive reply and "I dont believe" would be a negative one. That was my only argument. I agree with the rest you say!

@maxergud You are correct iff you define Atheism as: belief a god does not exist when a deductive argument this god is available, and no opinion on any god there is no deductive argument against.

Got the ACA mug, and brought it with me to class at university. I'm scandinavian, mind you. This guy who had actually been living in texas for a while came up to me and said "Its a joke, right? That mug? Surely here cant be such thing as an atheist society in Austin Texas, heartland of christian fundamentalism? Who'd make a jug like that, is it some type of satiric tourist bling, like a funny T-shirt?". "Never mind the Holy Lance, Pick of Destiny", I thought "I gots me the ACA Mug of Irony"

The definition of "God of the Bible" is "The god described in the bible" which I am talking about. But if it's just "God", then you are completely right.

I'm an atheist because I have a book that says atheism is true. The book is proof because it says right in the book: "this book is proof."

@ScientificBob My mistake, It would appear that scientific terminology has been watered down. Micro-evlution is a fact because it can be observed under laboaratory prodecures. Macro evolution cannot be observed much less the effect of such an occurence. So technically macro evolution would actually be a hypothesis.

@eleminatus Precisely. If I say "I don't know", then I do not believe it's possible, nor do I believe it is not possible.

@Drathora YES! I've said the same thing many times about many people, including Matt D. Some of the people they're talking to just don't understand them. There were times when I wished I could tell Matt to just dumb it down a bit so the caller could grasp what he's saying.

Undertaker and Kane, The Brothers Of Destruction 💀😭😭😂

@krishpatel3156

2 жыл бұрын

😭😂

@MrJoaquin1978 "Abiogenesis is the study of how biological life arises from inorganic matter through natural processes, and the method by which life on Earth arose. Most amino acids, often called "the building blocks of life", can form via natural chemical reactions unrelated to life, as demonstrated in the Miller-Urey experiment and similar experiments that involved simulating some of the hypothetical conditions of the early Earth in a laboratory."

Theist: I'm going to keep replying to your questions with my own questions that you can answer, where as I cannot​; therefore demonstrating without admission what I don't know, but continue to believe I still know because of faith.

Well, the questions were re - summerized in the post you just responded to without answering again .I have acknowledged that one may disbelieve any assertion (fairy tales and such) however you have failed to acknowledge the inability to (or LACK of) ability to disbelieve something out side of ones awareness. You may not know if there IS a god, but you do know if you are AWARE of a god, which was the 1 question you sort of tried to answer.

I'm late to this one, but I would offer the definition of faith is simply a suspension of disbelief

@TheAtheistExperience Do you guys manage to "convert" someone? Do they actually end up challenging their beliefs or is it mostly people sitting on the fence that really listen to what you have to say? I just know people to retreat to phrases like "it doesn't have to make sense," so how does one overcome that?

My previous comments against this assertion were on one of the other "atheist experience" videos. Unfortunately, they were disliked by the voters-deleted. I'll reiterate the reasons why the entity must be timeless, space-less, immaterial, and personal, as I discuss the causal principle, later today. There is a clear progression to the idea of a personal creator on Kalam. Other theistic arguments are necessary to reach the conclusion that the Christian God...

@Fortune2point0 So here is how I see it - positive position, is the one, where you accept the existence of god; negative is the one, where you dont accept the existence of god (whether its theistic or gnostic approach). Neutral position, is the one that does not take any side - belief or disbelief. So the question is, what kind of position is truly neutral? In my opinion its "I dont know". It does not take sides and it deals with both, belief and knowledge.

TO ALL ON THIS CHANNEL: tell me?did you ever feel guilty when you did something wrong to your loved ones?do you ever feel like you should do the right thing sometimes when you know you can get away with it?do you feel someone did something wrong to you sometime in the past? what is that based on? how do you know that right is right and wrong is wrong? can you distinguish between doing right and wrong?.answer me this and ill tell you where is God?

@mrworms3d I didn't use the word 'fake' or 'lies'. I just asked for proof, which you evidently cannot supply, because there isn't any, otherwise you would tell me.

where is the second half? the annotations are busted (I can't get them to work for the life of me) and I can't find a single link to what I can guess is the second half of this conversation

Sure. What constitutes evidence for one may be considered trivial to another. I think a cumulative case can be made for theism utilizing philosophical arguments. These arguments include the Kalam and the Leibnizian cosmological arguments, along with the teleological, ontological, and moral arguments.There really isn't space to list all the evidence(s) here--or arguments for that matter. Suffice it to say, there are at least a dozen good arguments for theism. Thanks for the dialogue, Ernest

1. Many not all, religious people simply believe something because it's written in a book, they feel good from believing, tradition, hundreds of people can't be wrong about miracles, revelation, etc 2. We look at evidence. Reasons for not believing isn't the same as burden of proof. Read an article on logic. Any claim that is brought out as being true or new, has to come with evidence. I can read what "god" has claimed to be "his" law in "his" bible. I didn't enough space to state my reasons.

Matt’s cohost is well spoken

@brucebaker810

5 жыл бұрын

Matt's co-host is Aron Ra. He is an eminent counter apologist. Big KZread skeptic. Has run for Texas Senate (or something). Ran, I think, against Kinky Friedman (author and musician), but I may be wrong about that. But yes, well spoken. And has become semi-prominent partially as a result of that.

Weird. It really seems that Matt and Aronra could be twins if either Aronra shave his head or Matt grew his hair like that. Their faces and physiques and even some of their nuances are so similar! (And they're both awesome)

@sharkjack We observe the "process" of pluto's orbit around the sun, we don't observe the entire revolution. We apply observations of other revolutions to that of pluto's orbit. The trajectory of it's path can be concluded by examining the distance of pluto from the sun, and the speed at which pluto travels in conjunction with the gravitational pull from the sun. The process of micro evolution has also been observed. The process of macro evolution on the other hand, has never been observed.

@MrJoaquin1978 The point is that order with complexity does occur without intelligent intervention. The inability of a single process to alone produce life doesn't say anything about how life actually developed. But it's certainly time to stop invoking order as evidence for intelligent design.

@Fortune2point0 Have you heard the piece of logic that goes: Speculation void of evidence equals an infinitly small amount on a scale of probability. ? This can be shown by way of proving the opposite (Speculation void of evidence equals any finite amount on the scale of probability) is impossible.

I was trying to mention how you missed the conclusion (I am a snark-machine at times). Regarding the question you raise: I cannot prove he is deluded, but in the case you put forward I do not have the burden of proof as I have not made the positive claim "Zeus is real." if I said that "Zeus does not exist" rather than "I do not accept any god without evidence" then I would have a heavy burden of proof (especially as this deals in the supernatural).

@Tiptoetherat I posed a question not an answer. And I am not talking about common ancestry. I am talking about the evolutionists position that A) We are one of the "Great Apes" and B) that we vocally communicate in a complex manner and that C) we achieved both of those through a process of random mutations known as evolution and natural selection. Therefore, if you are an evolutionist you believe in talking apes. It is not somehting i came up with; it is a truth. Now there may be more depth to..

@camy011 The point i was trying to make is that you misunderstand atheism if you think it requires faith. Atheism is the opposite of a faith based belief. I believe that the universe somehow came about without a supreme being. And no, i don't know how, and frankly, i don't care.

@eleminatus They are asserting their lack of belief, they are not asserting that a god does or does not exist. Claiming "I believe a god exists" or "I believe a god does not exist" is different than the null, default position of "I do not believe a god exists".

I'm not twisting it. When I say/mean universe, I mean all possible universe(s)/plane(s). I equate it to a state. Yes our state has boundaries(the "known universe") but it also may exists with other universes, other states, together in existence, a country. Think more about someone's response.

Since I made no mistake, I anxiously await you pointing it out! :-\ You are apparently without a clue, but I will be interested to hear what crap you come up with.

cool background bros