What are your thoughts about Early Christianity, Heresy and the Death Penalty? Check out the links above for more information on the awesome ''History of the Papacy Podcast!''

@zoetropo1

4 жыл бұрын

The Study of Antiquity and the Middle Ages: well, I’m opposed to the death penalty and to cruelty. Everyone is a heretic but hardly anyone admits it. Early Christians were much too pernickety and combative about debatable matters. Rather than arguing endlessly about “things of heaven” which they knew nothing of, they should have spent their time usefully. “Act justly, love mercy and walk humbly ...” form a good OT guide to right conduct and attitude.

@zoetropo1

4 жыл бұрын

The Study of Antiquity and the Middle Ages: what’s your view on that other high-profile, eccentric religious figure of Avila, St Theresa?

I'm here because of Edward Gibbon's "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire." Priscillian has a cursory mention in the beginning of Vol II during the end of the short reign of Gratian. I wanted more information and found this to be very informative. Job well done.

The council of Laodicea in 336 removed completely the book of Enoch from the possibility of canonization even though early church fathers held it in high regard. Priscillian may have been the first to die a labeled heretic because he still held to the teaching of some non-canonical book as legitimate or as teaching texts. Henry Hayman D.D. of Aldingham England holds to this possibility from his book, THE BOOK OF ENOCH IN REFERENCE TO THE NEW TESTAMENT AND EARLY CHRISTIAN ANTIQUITY. By killing anyone who still possessed and taught from books like Enoch, it further gives reasons why so few copies or fragments remain of certain texts today. Nobody wants to get caught with a book that could possibly get you killed by either church or civil authorities.

Magnus Maximus is especially interesting historically, despite his brief five-year reign (383-388), because he founded British military colonies across northern Gaul and in his native Gallaecia which survived for centuries after his execution - indeed, some outlived the Byzantine empire. They and their branches include Brittany, Maine, Ponthieu, Blois, Berry, Britonia and the Albret dynasty. Several of those colonies contributed to the successful defence of Gaul from Attila and to Galicia’s defeat of the Moors. The kingdoms of Spain and Portugal were created and those of England and France were transformed by the expansionist efforts of the leaders of those colonies. An accidental creation was the House of Anjou (Plantagenets) who were descendants of one of Gratian’s soldiers who, according to their own account, was sent into exile out of Lower Brittany in 383 on Magnus’s orders.

@thebrocialist8300

4 жыл бұрын

It was the Kingdom of Asturies that was the first independent Christian Kingdom in Iberia and the one to initiate the Reconquista of the peninsula. Galicia was already a vassal of the caliphate at this time - having been pacified by Moorish troops. (Galicia had been one of the wealthiest provinces in Northern Hispania since the Roman period and was thus prioritized by the caliphate as its overextended military forces began to consolidate the vast territories they had annexed.) It was only after Pelayo’s victory at Covadonga (in the Astur-Cantabrian highlands) and the ascent of the monarchal houses of Asturias that Galicia would be liberated and integrated into the Reconquista.

@zoetropo1

4 жыл бұрын

The Brocialist: Hats off to Asturias. However, I’ve not seen any evidence that the Moors occupied Galicia. Coimbra, yes, until the Galicians booted them out and liberated northern Portugal.

At the council of Saragossa, "[s]ome Priscillianist propositions were condemned but not Priscillian himself" (W.H.C. Frend, The Rise of Christianity, p. 712).

Hey guys i need some help, I have to do some writing on Priscillian. Until now i have Sulpicius Severus, translated from Richard Goodrich and Hieronymus, transl. from Claudia Barthold on my literature list. I will also read Henry Chadwick, the Occult and the Charismatic in the Early Church, as you said in the video. Do you guys have some more books for me, so i can dive a little bit deeper into the subject. My interests are focused on the court process of Priscillian. I can only use English and German literature, my Spanish is unfortanetly not good enough. Any information is very welcome! Thanks.

There’s no New Testament basis for persecution of heresy. Ephesians chapter 4 says the opposite.

Thanx so much📚very informative 🤗💛

thnx so much Steve! And Antonio!

11:10 - You're right, but when I first heard "Christian heretic" put to death I thought of Jesus . . . 🖐🇵🇹 Appreciate your work

If you want an “almost radical” character, try Alan Rufus, who subverted the feudal hierarchy by instituting Parliament in 1089. He was so imposing a figure that when he invaded Normandy in 1091, Pope Urban II came to him.

@jaylopes8489

4 жыл бұрын

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@zoetropo1

4 жыл бұрын

Jay Lopes: Alan Rufus was a Breton: they were warriors, but first they were merchants. He obtained a royal agreement to give all his tenants and employees free passage (no tolls or other charges) to trade throughout England. He also built the great medieval port of Boston from scratch, and made its market open to everyone, locals and foreigners alike. He also reduced his tenants’ rents and got them tax reductions. He made most of his money from the wealth this generated, because he was trading with everyone. Very smart guy.

@zoetropo1

4 жыл бұрын

Jay Lopes: you should check out Olivier de Clisson, another Breton. While Constable of France, he raked in the money: by 1400, he was earning 500 million francs a year. His estate in 1407 was estimated to be worth 6 tons of gold and 60 tons of silver. His mother Jeanne de Belleville, the Lioness of Brittany, was pretty amazing in a different way.

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“Evil material world”: also sprach Mary Baker Eddy.

@RawOlympia

4 жыл бұрын

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Wasnt Benedict not Martin the founder of Western monasticism.

A lot of this just sounds like Plato's philosophy

Maybe i missed it but were did priscillians family come from? Could he have been jewish, hebrew? Christian jews who knew to flee Jerusalem just prior to 70ce? Because jesus had told them to.

@zoetropo1

4 жыл бұрын

Gregory Rollins: Christians did flee Jerusalem when the first siege ended. The surviving nonchristian Jews recalled that event. Priscillian, like many scholars of his era, had a pagan education. I don’t know of any Jewish background to his family.

@gregoryrollins59

4 жыл бұрын

@@zoetropo1 thanks thats good to know, he learn christianity later in life. I guesss the question is who and what he learn from. More then likely either directly or indirectly through irenaeus who spread greek orthodoxy into Lyons. Valentius and Marcus spread Gnostic teachings. Irenaeus chased marcus out of Lyons. Said he was of satan to his face. Did nestorius saying anything about him?

@zoetropo1

4 жыл бұрын

Gregory Rollins: I haven’t looked hard, so I can’t say whether Nestorian expressed any opinion about Priscillian. I get the impression that whereas other church officials objected to Priscillian’s practices, it was Nestorius’s theological notions that they anathematised. Personally, I think the conflicts were storms in a teacup, motivated by power politics. Priscillian wanted the bishopric held by his superior, so of course they fought. Nestorius wanted to make the church ‘more orthodox’ which in practice must lead to a power struggle.

@gregoryrollins59

4 жыл бұрын

@@zoetropo1 agreed, political power was a big motivation for eastern (Plato) christianity. Whats your thoughts on the Nicene creed? Is Jesus subordinate to God almighty Jehovah as spoken about though the prophets of Israel or is he god himself?

@zoetropo1

4 жыл бұрын

Gregory Rollins: Jesus is an exemplar for how humans should treat each other: humbly. This is Islam’s ‘secret’ 100th characteristic of God, paradoxically said to be known only by the camel: humility.

What a mess. Sad

Gnostic dualism? What is that? The Gnostics were early christian monks and nuns (before the monastic movement took off in a big way). The exemplar they looked up to was Saint Paul. You cannot get more orthodox than that.