Of course a BOBCAT is interested in bloomburrow. It looks like a whole buffet. 😂 (Seems almost too obvious for racoons to be w/b given their color schemes. Otters are def r/u after that companion was shown in Ikoria.)

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

See, some people are saying Racoons are WB, some people are saying it'll be Badgers. I'm thinking I discuss it with them when i have them all over for dinner...

@harutakami1313

4 ай бұрын

Raccoons are probably actually R/G, since the face card of the R/G commander deck is a Raccoon. (The tagline is even "Make Trash | Do Smash")

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Poor old badgers. I hope they get a three colour legendary so I can run every badger in a commander deck

@simplegarak

4 ай бұрын

@harutakami1313 oh duh, you're right! They even told us his name. Squirrels are def b/g from the other deck. One deck had a bird as the commander. Hm.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@@simplegarak I haven't checked the lastest reveals. So... where do birds fits in then? Because the only real leap I made was Cats, but I've been told Squirrels are in there too which means I got two creatures wrong. Is it Foxes? Is Jace the only fox on the plane?

Nobody ever brings up Redwall when talking about the set about a mouse becoming a hero

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

I only just rediscovered it. I think I'm going to have to see if the movie's on Netflix or something, because the only memories I have of it are emotional ones. I must have watched it when I was very young

@themrrental2509

4 ай бұрын

I only refer to this set as "the Redwall set." I'll be crushed if WotC fumbles it because this might as well be my childhood they're dealing with here. Not like there's going to be a Redwall Universes Beyond set. This is it.

@ReikoNova

4 ай бұрын

@@themrrental2509 I completely get that anxiety

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@themrrental2509 Hey, you never know. I wouldn't have assumed they'd do Evil Dead or Princess Bride but they both got something

@Khilkhameth

4 ай бұрын

I dunno, I think Redwall is a LOT less high fantasy - no one was thowing around fireballs in thiose books.

I think cats would be one of the huge scary monsters of this world rather than one of the ten types of small animal heroes.

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

I mean, yeah, but also... come on! Give me cats!

My thoughts on how the set will work on draft: in the panel MARO said it was a "soft typal" set as you said in the video, so I'm thinking there wont actually be that much typal support (I don't think there will be 2 color uncommon lords, though there will probably be a few cards here or there that interact with the type but don't require it to be good) Rather, the types will all share a mechanical identity; like all mice are low drop aggro creatures, all badgers are chunkier beaters for a ramp/midrange deck, etc. Like Maro said, if you draft all the creatures of a certain type, your deck will be functional. I think this would actually be a really elegant design from a new drafter perspective, as even if someone doesn't know what they are doing they can accidentally into a functional deck just by taking cards that share a theme.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I've always been a fan of the typal aspect of MTG and when I build decks I lean into that first, then mechanics after usually so I have high hopes for this set

Actually, in the case of the Jace art specifically, in the article "A first look at Bloomburrow" by Clayton Kroh from Feb 23 on the WotC website, we're told that the Jace art is from a non-canonical bonus sheet titled "Imagine: Curious Critters" that "invites you to envision renowned Planeswalkers and creatures were they to visit the plane of Bloomburrow!" But yes Ral is actually a card in the set. Clearly Planeswalkers become animals when they visit Bloomburrow, but I've also heard theories that propose the inverse as well, and propose that Garruk might have always been a literal bear, that just Planeswalked away from Bloomburrow

@XenithShadow

4 ай бұрын

Make sense considering last we saw jace and vraska they were phrexianised and also crushed under a bunch of rubbles i thinks.

@HastorPrinceInYellow

4 ай бұрын

@@XenithShadow Maybe, but Vraska is back in Thunder Junction, so who knows about Jace

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Dear god. I have so many conflicting emotions about that Garruk theory. Up front, I love the idea. And then I think I hate it. This is all going to be down to how well WotC thread the needle on this one. Because I come away from Bloomburrow feeling let down, and like the whole idea was dumb then they could ruin some beloved Planeswalkers along the way.

@HastorPrinceInYellow

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I see the concern, but consider this: Cute little animal friends in Magic

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Sure. But, cute little animal planeswalkers? ...eegghhhhhh I'm less sure. I'm going to need a solid explanation as to why that happens, because otherwise I'll be asking why Ajani, Tamiyo, and Ugin don't become human when they go places that don't feature Leonin, Moonfolk or Dragons

They actually have established that *certain* planes can affect visitors, but generally don't work the other way around. Segovia is at a 1:100 scale to other planes, and visitors are shrunk while things from there don't grow when taken out, so presumably it works the same way for Bloomburrow

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

Well that was the case with Planeswalkers, but not any more since Omenpaths. See Invasion of Segovia as an example of this

@constantanxietyattacks6878

25 күн бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames True but then again there's so few examples that I'm at least willing to give the benefit of the doubt that some planes have a stronger effect than others, especially since Bloomburrow has a form-shifted dragon, which presumably wasn't a Planeswalker. It'd be a bit of a bend of the pre-established rule, but I'd probably accept either answer. Though I'm pretty sure they'll lean towards that everyone gets changed to keep the "no humans" aesthetic intact.

I look forward to the Bloomburrow/New Capenna crossover where we get to build possum, rat and sewer alligator decks

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

If it's mono black and for commander, you could have Karumonix, the Rat King lead it

Calling it now, lizards are actually black red. Wingless dragons, And yes, the artwork screams black as well, Gonna assume black, with a res pip in the card text to deal damage or get an effect

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

I suspect we'll be getting a lot of cards for commander in this set, so I believe you'll probably be right on many cards having colours in the text

5:15 Bats are probably White/Black. Black due to being the classic bat color and white bats being featured quite a bit in Carverns of Ixalan. Especially since Lifelink is sucha mechanic you would expect bats to have.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Okay, I've heard people mention bats as WB a few times, but this argument in the one that's convinced me best thus far. I suspect you may be correct

@toxicsunshine2277

2 ай бұрын

The mice are trample and haste i think cause Mable

Suspension of disbelief is a really subjective experience but the idea that planeswalkers become animals in bloomburrow fits in really well to me. Segovia is famous as a plane where everything is little and it had been canon for a long time that planeswalkers who traveled there would become small as well but creatures summoned from there would remain their natural size, hence why we see 3/3 leviathans and 1/1 angels. For a plane to enforce that sort of characteristic is consistent with the lore of the blind eternities. That would also explain why we're seeing characters who are still planeswalkers rather than a fourth set about Kellan. The omenpaths subvert this pattern as we saw during March of the machines and the giant phyrexians

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

I didn't think about Segovia. And didn't spot the lore implication from Invasion of Segovia till just now. Now I'm doubly concerned that WotC might screw Bloomburrow up. Because this one way for Planeswalkers, another way for Omen paths rule is going to getting forgotten almost immediately I suspect

@ReikoNova

4 ай бұрын

​@@RedBobcatGamesit's an extremely valid concern. I think the omen paths are gonna spoil a lot of things going forward. But I'm putting my faith in bloomburrow specifically because otherwise I have nothing to look forward to in magic this year

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@@ReikoNovaMy friends and I play our own home brew format named "Incursion". I've been thinking about doing a video on it as it's very lore friendly. If I do, I may add a deck building restirction like some other formats that any set up till Aftermath is legal, and anything after that isn't, expressly so you don't have to deal with Omen paths

@ReikoNova

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I'm excited to hear about that some day!

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@ReikoNova Weirdly, my next video is on my feelings about Alchemy, and it was Alchemy that finally made us throw up our hands an invent a new format lol

Jace isnt part of the main set he's part of a what if style showcase thing like how all the walkers in all will be one had phyrexian alt arts even though they werent all compleated

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

So I've heard, but I didn't know that at time of recording. I would have, if they'd mentioned it in the panel, but they didn't. Also, I understand Ral seems like he is going to be in the set still, and he's an otter so I guess all of my questions still stand. I haven't read it yet, but I hear there's an article out talking about how it will function. I remain concerned

With OTJ's Rambling Possum introducing the creature type, I _really_ hope opossums are at least represented in Bloomburrow. We need more than just one dammit! Also they'd be _perfect_ for graveyard recursion, their whole thing is pretending to be dead

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

What about Varmints? And Snails just got added as a type too I believe

My first thought when I saw the fox Jace and otter Ral was that they are gonna be some kind of "Special Guests" cards, or one of those Collector-Boosters-only reprints like we saw in Fallout. Some kind of non-canon card.

@zachall1573

4 ай бұрын

Man I really hope that's the case. Like they're just bloomburrow-style reprints or something.

@artdog8626

4 ай бұрын

they confirmed that jace is part of some kind of special guests type thing but ral is main set

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@artdog8626 Have they said if that otter artwork of Ral is like the Jace special guest? Or is that image of him from the main set? Cos if he's just a human walking around that m ay be even weirder. Also, I really worry about scale in that scenario. Are these animals human size? I god damn hope not

@zenithquasar9623

Ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames No, obviously he shrinks down to the regular size of whatever animal it becomes on that plane. Obviously not human or human sized. It just is a magical effect that happens on this plane to fit into it I guess. There is nothing weird about it imo.

This channel is amazing, high quality content. Keep up the good work!

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Well thank you very much! I will try haha

I'm going to refute you and say that Bats belong in the Orzhov colors given that we were told in the panel that Zoraline is a cleric. the sort of cunning tricksters that foxes can be is better suited for Dimir, and thus I think we have room for say... birds in White/Blue, an archetype they usually already occupy.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Tbf, as I was putting Foxes there I did look at the chart that says "Flying" and sort of ignor it haha. But I don't think I'm into the Orzhov Bat choice. Or at least not because of the Cleric reasoning. There's loads of blue clerics, and that thunder... I think Flash fits

Maybe this becoming an animal in Bloomburrow is like when you shrink in Segovia... but I don't know if they care about those details anymore.

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm not sure either. It's why I'm concerned. With everything being only a single set, the lore seems to only be skin deep lately. I know we all joked about Thunder Junction, but I honestly think "Hey look, they have a hat on" is a shortcut to avoid having to set up a story proper

As cool as it would be for the watchers from the MOM story to be something new, it’s heavily implied that they were Elspeth and Serra- the story even explicitly says that Serra shows elspeth what is happening all across the planes, so even if it’s not directly said who the watchers are, there is one answer in the same arc that fits too perfectly for it to be a whole other thing, I think.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Awww, but. It's so ominous though. It sounds like a threat! You make a lot of sense, I just really hope it's a new villain

So based on comments from his podcast Rosewaters statement about "looking at what we've printed recently" seems to primarily apply to standard legal sets. Because the main concern he has when talking about it is wanting to make sure that Bloomburrow standard is back compatible with the other sets they've done recently. With that in mind and speaking with the benefit of knowledge you didn't have at time of recording here's what I think of the pairs: Knowing that the fox Jace is on the bonus sheet I'm not convinced that "Fox" will necessarily be one of the animal typal themes for the set. If they are the idea that they're white blue isn't supported by recent trends which have given us 1 card each in Black Green and White. Lizards are probably Black Red seeing as all 4 lizards in OoTJ were red and the sole multi colored one, Laughing Jasper Flint, was Black Red. As I've seen others point out Black White makes the most sense for Bats given recent printings but lightning powers aren't typically associated with those colors so it'll be interesting to see if that's their pairing. With Lizards taking Black Red I'd wager Raccoons are probably Green Red. Both for theme reasons and because of recent printings. The only badger we've gotten in the last 5 sets was Green so that narrows it down. With Green White taken I'd guess Green Black. There's no question what color rabbits are in. There's been exactly 1 black cat and 9 white one's printed since MOM so this pair seems reasonable although idk if Cats fit with the woodland critters vibe the set is aiming for. No idea what the other type could be in its place. Bria, Riptide Rogue tells us that Otter's are definitely a tribe in the set and that they're Blue Red. Mable also confirms the Red White tribe. Leaving frogs for either Blue Green or White Blue. The art we've been shown suggests green but with the knightly vibe the dude gives off i think it could go either way. Although there are more recent frogs in green and blue with the exceptions being two versions of the Gitrog Monster so Idk if he should be counted.

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

This "and speaking with the benefit of knowledge you didn't have at time" is really refreshing to read, and I deeply appriciated it. I like the rest of your predictions too, plus I think I've started to come around to the idea that cats won't fit the theme as well. Which is a shame, because I would like them in there

Since they have 6 animals teamed up to defend the realm in the main artwork, ima guess that those r the 2 colour combos that don't have black. So if mice r RW, ima guess that frogs r GU, bats r UR, rabbits r GW, badgers r RG, n lizards r WU. As for wut animals r using the BX combinations, iunno, ima have to continue the video n see if they gave u any more hints. Ok, seeing the abilities, I'd like to change the lizards as the likely don't have lots of flying. So maybe they r UR n the bats r WU? But birds would be more likely to be WU so now iunno 🤔 They only planeswalker that should've been made for this set is Greist as she is simply an insect who leads a swarm she amasses anew on each plane she visits. This should've been the story of how she realized that she had become a monster n gain the self-awareness to change n become the character they explained to us when they released her card.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Oh my god! That's a magnificent idea! Why do they never do anything with Greist?! This would have been the perfect place to flesh out a story there

I think the idea is that a fox is the size of a fox, when Jace travels to Bloomburrow he changes both species and size - he is shrunk down ‘to scale’ although I thought at first that he might be using shapeshifing magic to integrate himself Avatar style

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

I imagine you're probably right. I think at this moment my biggest concern is when we see the Bloomburrow natives on another plane, I hope they're still tiny like mice, otherwise the charm will be lost for me

@richardharrison4762

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I dunno, wasn’t there that My Little Pony program where they jumped to a different dimension and took on human form? Wizards could rake in some of the sweet sweet Brony money! 😋

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@@richardharrison4762 They already do! Those MLP Secret Lairs cost a bomb if you look them up!

@richardharrison4762

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames Of course, those cards are very rare…ity *puts on sunglasses. The Who - Don’t Get Fooled Again plays*

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@@richardharrison4762Haha, do you own them? I'm jealous if so. I'm weirdly a fan of all the Hasbro crossover cards. I'd be down for a Transformers, MLP, D&D Magic set. I think it's because they're all sort of the same company as WotC which makes it less egregious than most other Universe Beyond IPs in my opinion

Good video

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Good comment!

You're putting more thought into this than the designers.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, 100%

very much agree. I even go as far as saying planeswalkers as a concept are a mistake for mtg. I want the theme to be about the world visited, be it Kaldheim, Kaladesh or Bloomburrow, I do not want Chandra, Nissa or Jace there to dilute the set.... my predictions of animals: bluewhite: owls (cunning and wise) blueblack: bats, blackred: lizards, redgreen: badgers, (large and brutal) greenwhite: rabbits, whiteblack: hedgehogs (defensive, some kind of slowly drain you away ability with a thousand little sticks) bluered: otters, blackgreen: moles (living underground) redwhite: mice, greenblue: frogs

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

I like the idea of planeswalkers cards, and I think their execution was done well enough. I'd agree about their place in sets and dominence in the story. I happy we have Planeswalkers, but would like to have seen them restricted to only showing up in non-themed sets. Like old yearly Core-Sets for instance

In accordance with the leaks I am here to offer you a fish. 🐟

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

Ooh, there's been a leak?!

@hugmonger

Ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames Two cards got leaked on reddit. One has you offering your opponent a fish cuz apparently gift giving is a set mechanic

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

Oh that's quite cool actually. Yeah, I'm a fan

I too feel a issue with suspension of disbelief concerning the jace addition. But it's ultimately negligible since Planeswalkers don't usually see much play. Rakdos Raccoons makes sense.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

I'm reading in the comments that they've said Jace is from a bonus sheet, but Ral is part of the main set. I'm yet to confirm

I'm pretty curious about the changelings. Wonder if they will be vanilla or have some cool abilities.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

If they're in the set at all of course. It's only a prediction, and I've been wrong plenty before lol

12:07 bigger mouse just means it is easier to hug.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

See, I wish that was my instinct. I think I'd die of a heart attack

i can´t be the only one who see the fox jace and freak out thinking the other animals are planeswalkers

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

People are saying Garruk may be a bear...

After Outlaws of Thunder Junction, we know that Jace is now a sort of villain plotting to destroy and remake the multiverse in a way that he thinks is better. So Jace might be on Bloomburrow working on a villainous scheme.

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

UGH! It's very hard not to type this in all caps, because there's a very good chance you are right and I'm mad about it! Because, I thought the whole point of the Omen paths was to get away from telling stories about Jace and his mates! AHHH!

I guess the simpler solution is that while a certain tribe synergizes with itself, they are more generally useful so others might want to use them too rather than just caring about one creature type

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Probably, but I would really like an answer to who those Gribbles were

We got a Red Green card that cares about Hamsters in Minsc and Boo. Yes, I am aware that this makes the Hamster token to sacrifice, Its Sacrifica Ability refers to any Hamster, not just Boo. So, I want to have Hamsters in this Set!

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

See, looking at the overall aesthetic I think hamsters would be a better fit than lizards

Based on Gev's artwork and title, I'm assuming he'd have something to do with Red / X as a colour combo. There's no way that you'd have a "Scaled Scorch" + Lizard creature type be Golgari over Gruul or Rakdos. Also, We had a few Lizards (RIP Viashino) in Thunder Junction just drop in the Rakdos pairing, as well as having Bramble Familiar in Green, which lead's me to believe that Racoons would probably be Golgari, and Lizards in Rakdos. Just seems to make more sense from my end. With regards to a few other pairing choices, I believe that Foxes would be more akin to Dimir, as it fits their cunning nature more so than Bats, as well as there being tons of support for bats in Black/White from Ixalan. Perhaps we have those Orzhov Bats, Dimir Foxes, and some sort of Bird species at the helm for Azorius. I was going to go for Owls, but it looks like one of the calamity beasts already fills that role, so i'm not too sure anymore.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

I'm still not 100% what animals we'll be getting tbh. I know that Jace is showing up as a fox on the bonus sheet, but are there other foxes on the plane confirmed? I don't know yet

To quote Daria Morgendorffer, "It'll be stupid, and we're already doing something stupid." Also, 7:15 Holy crap, is Mark Rosewater really saying everyone getting what they want is a problem? That's the objective, Mark! In Magic and in life. If you see that as a problem, we're not living in the same reality.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I didn't stop to question that. I suppose he means it's bad because you wouldn't feel challenged? But then, also I suspect that would lead to you not feeling like you want to play the set over and over, which would certainly be easier on the wallet

@JervisGermane

4 ай бұрын

​@@RedBobcatGames His explanation is that they want different players to want the same card, otherwise every time they play the set, it's the same deck because they always get the same cards. That sure sounds like he thinks everyone getting what they want and always having a good time is a bad thing. He wants game variety over player satisfaction.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@@JervisGermane Unless he thinks variety equals player satisfaction. Or at least combats play repetition, which could become boring over time. I'm sort of 50/50 on this one. Because, if he were toally right, I'd never build a deck and would only ever draft

Great video! I agree with most of these pairings. I'd like Squirrelfolk to make an appearance, but I'm not sure what colour pair would be best for them. Also no mention of Redwall as a source of inspiration? For shame!

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

I googled Redwall and have no knowledge or recollection of it. Then I looked at the images for it, and seeing the artwork for the movie gave me butterflies. I still don't remember it, but I obviously have some sort of sense memory about it haha

@Triceratopping

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames it falls into the weird category of being very successful (it's a big series and sold really well back in the day) but also relatively unknown.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@Triceratopping is it good?

@Triceratopping

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I love the series. Even 30 years later I go back for the occasional re-read as they're just nice solid adventure stories, and despite the cutesy woodland folk there's actually tons of fairly graphic violence: not many kids' books have multiple decapitations.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@@Triceratopping Only the best ones haha

Whatever you think of the cards, the artwork is awesome! 🤩

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Ultimatley that's all that matters. If you like the cards, who cares what anyone else thinks

The Watcher thing was Elspeth's travels after dying/reincarnating in the blind eternities, no? I would personally bet that badgers and lizards will swap colour pairs from your guesses, but not going on much other than vibes for that.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

So, are you saying you think one of the Watchers was Elspeth? Or all of them somehow? As far as I'm aware, it's not been confirmed what was going on there yet. Or even hinted at any more than what I read out, but I am fully prepared to be corrected on that cos I would like to know what was going on. It was very strange, and I'd be interested to learn about the big new bad (as long as they're actually genuinely distinct from previous villains)

@TheMangakid1995

2 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames The speaker asking what they're seeing is Elspeth. The one who answers is Sera, or whatever lingering ghost of Sera Elspeth found in the blind eternities. So far as I can recall the "others", the except makes it clear that its not just Elspeth and Sera, are not explicitly elaborated upon but the role Sera played in the story seems to suggest that what ever force or group her spirit represents aren't actively malicious.

With all the white bats from Ixalan and the lifelink on Deepcavern Bat tells me that bats are white and black

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

I certainly hope that's true! I do love an Orzhov bat deck!

They're probably going to be doing the same thing Ixalan did where the creature types have a few supports and there is more of a focus on mechanical subthemes (like +1/+1 counters and merfolk)

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

I hope so. That will be cleaner to draft certainly. Though I would really love to see a new villain introduced as I think it would make sense narratively

Raccoons and squirrels are also confirmed colored creatures in the set because the revealed commander decks, raccoons are gruul and squirrels are golgari!

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, that is somewhat the issue with being cartoon. These videos take me a while to get out, so am a little behind on reveals

They confirmed that naives of Bloomsborrow remain animals. Planeswalkers becomes animals and shrink down to size when they go there. Unknown if omenpath adventurers do. Ral also isn't the main character, Mabel the mouse is with Ral being told as more of a side character. They said going forward they are gonna make less new planeswalkers character and instead refocus on the existing ones meaning new planes will likely not have the native planeswalker character we tend to get. IMO characters like Annie and Mabel would have been planeswalkers.

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, we'll have to see. Wizards don't have a great track record of following through with things like that. I'm hopeful, but concerned for the set

you deserve so many more than 3,5K subs! (So here's a comment to appease the algorythm :D)

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

Why thank you very much! It's really appriciated

I'm excited for the set

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Me too, just a bit worried

I know this topic's kind of done to death, but it really just hit me a little while after watching this how ridiculous the Magic news cycle is. Thunder Junction isn't even out yet!! I don't need to know all this about something so far away!! Give me a moment to recover after swooning at Oko in a cowboy hat!!

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

NO! THE PERPETUAL HYPE TRAIN IS FUELLED BY YOUR ATTENTION! JOIN US NEXT WEEK WHERE WE LOOK AT WHAT'S COMING IN 2027!

Raccoons are clearly Gruul, considering the Commander deck, and it fits the cards they've gotten in Standard. Same with Birds and Blue/White. Lizards seem to be Rakdos, honestly.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, quite probably. I wrote this before the commander decks had been announced. Didn't even know birds were in it yet. Shame about the lack of cats really

All told 5/10 isn’t bad You got half the pairings right.

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

50% is my middle name!

i think other sub types are going to help draft soldier or cleric

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Oooh, that's a fun idea. I hadn't considered there might be a class focus on the set. Would fit thematically potentially

My predictions: Mice-WR Frogs-UG Lizards-BR Badgers-BG Rabbits-WG Bats-UB Otters-UR Foxes-WU/WB Raccoon-RG ???-WU/WB I have foxes as not necessarily blue because they are often known to be tricksters and so they might just be wearing a Jace costume. If cats are the tenth then they are definitely WB, but if it’s some small bird, which I expect they would be WU so it really could go either way to me.

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

As time goes on I'm starting to think cats have less and less of a chance to make it in. I guess we'll see soon enough

@Vearru

Ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames Another option that I hadn’t thought about yesterday when writing that comment was Squirrels! Which honestly just seems super obvious for a tiny critters plane, since they are mtg’s most iconic tiny critter creature type.

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

Oh yeah. In fact, have we not seen Squirrels yet? That feels like a no brainer

@Vearru

Ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames If it is squirrels though there’s no way they aren’t green so Raccoons would have to be WB or WU, and I don’t think they’d be WU, so I guess WB Raccoons could be the combo, which I’d love tbh. I do hope they actually make this plane as fun and exciting as the concept should be, it really feels like the perfect opportunity to get back into the game with the same feelings of nostalgia as I have for some of the first sets I’ve play with.

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

That's my main concern. Looking at Karlov Manor and Thunder Junction, they seem to be taking a very skin deep approach lately with set design and that will be a big mistake

I would make some shuffling in your guesses. First, I think that birds are WU. We've seen some bird art, and WU birds is already an established color/type pairing. I also think the BG will be squirrels. We're definitely getting Squirrels in the set, and they are traditionally BG. That means we have to move Badgers and Lizards (and resultingly, Racoons). I think Lizards goes to BR, Raccoons go to RG, and Badgers go to WB (this is a very loose fit because of the art and their literal colors haha). This cuts out Foxes (who don't fly, so its hard to imagine them as UW), and cats (which feel like a better mechanical fit for WB than my guess, admittedly).

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

So where do cats go? Don't break my heart here. They're still in... right?

@kkpratt

4 ай бұрын

This is an unfortunate casualty of my theory. As I said though, Cats make more sense in WB outside of feeling like I have to put Badgers somewhere. I could unfortunately see small cats being cut simply because they aren't traditionally "wild" animals. Same with dogs. Cats are often used in small animal fantasy as the oversized monsters, rather than the anthropomorphized heroes. (thinking about The Secrets of Nimh, for instance). Perhaps the white Calamity Beast is a Big Cat? Though the magic Wiki suggests that it's a Fox.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@@kkpratt Do we know what Red is? Because if that's a cat I will stop complaining haha

@kkpratt

4 ай бұрын

My guess is that red is the fiery wolf we have art of the Mouse facing off against. Though if that's the case then I'd be surprised if White is a Fox.@@RedBobcatGames

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@@kkpratt I would assume the Wolf is a seperate thing like the owl? Probably red, but I think it will be mono red

So it's been said anyone who travels to Bloomburrow becomes a small animal, but if a creature from Bloomburrow goes to another plane they don't change. This is similar to Segovia.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

But to confirm, there's no size changing going on. All these cute little animals are actually life size photo-realistic disneyworld mascots?

@GamerGeek527

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGamesThey are the sizeof their animals. So a mouse is mouse sized, bat is bat sized, so on. The threats on Bloomburrow are just...Wolf. Bear, so on. But say Mabel uses an Omenpath and ends up on Ixalan, she'd be regular mouse sized on Ixalan.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@@GamerGeek527 Dear lord I hope so

I dont mind that planeswalkers change when they travel there, it reminds me of levels in kingdom hearts where the party are changed to fit the world essentially acting as a glamour so they don't stand out. Also as a big fan of games like Sly with anthropomorphic characters I'm incredibly hyped for this set

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

That's fair. How do you feel about the idea that these animals may be the same scale as a human who's been glamoured? They're more photo-realistic than most anthropomorphic disney characters. Does that make a difference?

@charlieread7097

4 ай бұрын

@RedBobcatGames my assumption would be that they are in proportion to actual animals rather than being human sized, and the planswalkers are shrunk down

@zachariahmerry2396

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I don't think we have any reason to think their size hasn't been changed, there's even some precedent: canonically if you planeswalk to Segovia you shrink down to 1/100th of your size to match with the size of that plane (though it didn't apply if you get to the plane via some other means).

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@zachariahmerry2396 Yeah, we saw that in the planes invasion card. But see, I sort of hate that then if they're normal human size. I hope that Oman Path travellers are as scaled like the Nightmare Beasts (or whatever they were called) and are huge, but planeswalkers can be small I guess. I want these to be cute little guys that we're dealing with. I don't want them to be as big as me. That really robs them of charm.

Bloomburrow has a feeling of fairy tales. So, feels like it is embedded inside Eldraine to me. It is one of the thematically stronger sets in the recent years!

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

Well. Yes, currently. But looking at what's happened with the lore of MKM and OTJ I'm still worried. Time will tell!

Bloomburrow was the only upcoming set I feel anything for, but I can't help but fear that trying to do a single set with 10 subfactions is doomed to failure from the start. As you bring up in the video, Lorwyn needed changelings to make its factions work, Ravnica needed a full three set block to build up the guilds (and then had to revisit the plane to actually cement Rakdos and Azorius). Bloomburrow being a one and done set, like Kaldhiem isn’t going to have the cards or the time to properly identify the factions. Does anyone actually have a clue what the ten realms and the factions in them are? They are: Istfell (W/U) Spirits. Karfell (U/B) Draugr. Immerstrum (B/R) Demons. Gnottvold (R/G) Trolls. Bretagard (G/W) Humans. Starnheim (W/B) Valkyries. Surtland (U/R) Giants. Skemfar (B/G) Elves. Axguard (R/W) Dwarves. Littjara (U/G) Shapeshifters. On average factions got only about 10 cards each. There are only 4 trolls and 9 on colour humans (despite being thematically tied to Bretagard humans were printed in all five colours).

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

It may be able to work if there's no faction idenity between the races? If they're all just one people culturally perhaps? But yeah, I think it's far more likely you're right and it will be a bit of a mess (unless they go with my suggestion and do colourless changling types)

Jace I have so many questions like are you still robot and how if you r nor not and why aren't you with vraska. Oddly enough I'm fine with Ral its jace and his baggage from previous arcs that digs at my thoughts that and wotc saying one planswalker per set and not we got 2 blue aligned planswalkers in the same set. still gonna buy Bloomburrow I'm super excited but still

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

So I'm reading in the comments of this video that Jace is on a bonus sheet, and not part of the main set. Am yet to confirm. Secondly, oh god. Oh no. I didn't even think about that. I sort of pushed the "Nissa has her hair back" and "Nahiri has regrown her arms" aspects of that story totally to the back of my mind. Dear lord, they're not going to explain how anything works at all are they?

@Itachi45481

4 ай бұрын

I have a bad feeling they wont which sucks considering how Nissa got her hair back when Melira sacrificed herself I need answers@@RedBobcatGames

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

I don't think they care enough to explain it, so I'm just doing my best to pretend it didn't happen

This is Wizards of the Cost looking at the Board Game Root (and therefore Redwall) and salivating with a lack of creativity and imagination..

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Does Redwall have a board game? I've seen in the comments a lot of people talking about the books

Feel like racoons are gonna be gruul as gruul has become the defacto treasure colors and racoons are all about taking trash and turning it into treasure, mabey sacing artifacts to create treasures?

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Oh that's a fun idea, I like that!

Also: As for what Ral is *Doing* on Bloomburrow, Story 1 for Thunder Junction dropped today, and it turns out Niv-Mizzet has Ral going around building communication relay towers on other planes via the Omenpaths to create essentially an interplanar phone network. As long as there's an open Omenpath on the plane, and it connects to another plane with relay towers, the planes can communicate. It's the plan that was being discussed in MKM chapter 11 that Proft wanted in on, turnin Ravnica into the central hub of interplanar commerce/travel/information.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

You remember those last few seasons of Game of Thrones? Where the scale of the world stopped mattering, and a journey that would have taken all season earlier is now done in one scene? The more I hear about Omen Paths the more I'm reminded of that

@harutakami1313

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I haven't actually, I've thankfully never watched GoT. And if anything, the Omenpaths are just reverting the status-quo to pre-mending times where interplanar travel was the norm. Folks should remember that it's only been about 60-70 years in-universe since the mending, meaning there are characters alive in-universe who would remember a time before the planes being locked off from each other.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@@harutakami1313 Yeah, you are right. I'd argue the Omenpaths mean that anyone can now travel between planes and that's hardly the old status-quo. But also it doesn't change the point you're making, and I agree with you. I suspect you've just reframed the way I view the game to be more like comic books. Pre-mending was Magic's Golden Age, Post-mending Silver Age. And now with Omenpaths we're into something new. Fingers crossed it's for the best

As a furry who has a softer spot for things like Redwall, Mouse Guard, Secret of NIMH, and Watership Down, I'm all for this set, and I can push my suspension of disbelief away *hard* if it means I can get enough rabbits to build an edh deck. No Kwain or 'drixes though.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

I'd be amazed if the commander decks for this set aren't themed around a different animal each. It's basically the main selling point of the set, so I think you'll be in luck

I don't think badgers are red/green I think badgers are green/black based off the legendary background. Also side note I'm tired of 10 draft archetypes per set

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

I sort of hope not. I've weirdly become invested in mtg badgers since I started this channel. Have made a few references to them, so would quite like a commander for a Badger deck that I could just put every badger into. That's totally my jam. But, in commander. I also am getting a bit ground down by how wide design is going with recent sets

Surely, badgers must be black/white!

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

You could say the same for raccoons too tbf

I really hope you're wrong about where raccoons are, they're *literally* black and white

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

I mean, so are Badgers to be fair...

Seriously, no rats?

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

They may get rolled in with mice?

We know why Jace turns into a fox. It's furry bait. If Bloomburrow was just a plane full of human sized animals I don't think most people would really care. But having human characters turn into animals is just that little extra push that makes it go from just a new plane to feeling like somebody's excuse to shoehorn fursonas into magic.

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, the fact that planeswalkers turn into the animals does make me raise an eyebrow. Again, I thought the whole point of the Omenpaths was so that we could get away from telling stories the only feature the Gatewatch. This feels like such a weird choice

i want the happy tree friends secret lair

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

There's rumours Bloomburrow's going to be pretty dark so... in a way you might get your wish

Okay, so this comment might turn out to be a bit of a novel, but I think all of this is worth saying. First of all, I think you're misusing the term "suspension of disbelief" in a subtle way. The more complete term as it was originally used by philosopher Samuel Taylor Coleridge is "willing suspension of disbelief," and it describes the way we as audience members willingly set aside our need for things to make sense in order to take a fictional setting at face value. Because of this, it's a misrepresentation to say that the designers' job is to make us believe in every new fictional plane that comes out in a Magic set. Rather, it's their job to provide us with a framework through which to understand that new plane and a consistent internal logic that explains why things work the way they do on this plane. Considering the fact that the set won't come out for months, I don't think it's fair to say that they've failed to accomplish that yet. Next, I'd like to address each of the questions you ask around 11:00 and explain why they aren't very reasonable. 1) Why are Jace and Ral there, and how does that tie into the greater story? Like I said above, we only just got our first previews of this set, and it won't actually be released for quite some time. It's kind of unreasonable to suggest that we should immediately understand exactly why these characters are here or what Bloomburrow's role in the larger MtG narrative will be. Until we see more cards and lore from the set, I don't think we can really comment on these kinds of questions. There's also no reason for Jace or Ral traveling to Bloomburrow to be any harder to believe than them traveling to any other plane in the multiverse. If you can easily accept that Jace has been to Zendikar and Innistrad, you should be able to accept that he's been to Bloomburrow. 2) Why have we never heard of this plane before? I respond to this question with another question: why are you holding Bloomburrow to a different standard than other planes? Did you have a problem with the fact that we had never heard of Arcavios, a plane that supposedly contains the foremost magic school in the multiverse and a library of all the knowledge in the multiverse, until Wizards R&D decided to make a set about it? If not, I don't see what's so weird about us never hearing about anthropomorphic animal world. I think part of the appeal of Magic is that we continue to get more glimpses into just how many wild different planes the multiverse contains. I would prefer for the worldbuilding team to keep making up new, weird worlds for us to enjoy than for them to just stop creating new planes and only visit the ones we've already seen. 3) Doesn't Bloomburrow have planeswalkers of its own, and if so, why weren't they in War of the Spark? First, there's no rule saying every plane must have planeswalkers. Being a planeswalker is relatively rare after all, especially since lots of former planeswalkers just got desparked. Second, even if Bloomburrow does have native planeswalkers, why should they have been in War of the Spark? The real-world answer is obviously that Bloomburrow hadn't been invented yet when that set came out, so I know you're not asking from a practical perspective. And from a narrative perspective, we were told rather clearly in the War of the Spark story that there were unnamed planeswalkers on Ravnica from other planes we hadn't heard of who didn't get cards in the set. The set could only contain so many planeswalkers (esp. brand new ones), so they couldn't possibly show off every planeswalker who might one day exist in a future setting.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

So, going through your points as I read them. Yes, everything you said in that first section is true. However, if I were to have elaborated I'd have made the point that I feel recently the designers have been failing in their job to provide us a solid framework to understand their work. I’m willing to put the work in to suspend my disbelief. But when we get to a point that I’m having to write my own head cannon to make their world make sense, they’ve asked too much. I have a whole video on Battlecards making that exact point, and I am concerned that this will be an issue here on Bloomburrow too. Oh, and also I didn't say they've failed to accomplish that yet. As I say, these are only concerns I have for what might be a potential issue I foresee. 1: So, again I think you misunderstand that, yes these are questions I have now about what I’ve been shown, but no I’m not expecting the answer now because the set isn’t out yet. I’m saying that by looking at what I’m shown, I instinctively have questions and if they aren’t answered I will be unsatisfied with the set. This may not come to pass, but I am worried it might, which is why it’s in my “concerns” section. 2: I did have that same question about Arcavios. I dislike the Omen paths concept, but in a way I’m glad that’s finally pushed WotC to (seemingly) start doing sets that aren’t just a backdrop for the latest episode in the Gatewatch saga. When planes aren’t worlds, but just the next set dressing for one long Planeswalker story it makes me consider the multiverse as a whole. And when one location in that whole setting is a Wizard school so famous it’s known across the multiverse, yes I ask why we’ve never heard of it before. To what you said earlier, this is not on me. This is the framework that the designers are creating and how they ask us to view their world. And it’s an issue that will get worse as time moves on because now with the omen paths open, everything is connected all of the time. 3: Yes, of course. But again, my point here is not that I want answers to these questions, but that I don’t want to be asking them in the first place. The developers have made narrative choices that by extension make me ask questions. It may not be an issue, it’s just a concern. I’m not really looking for answers. I’m using these questions to highlight how I worry I’m not going to be able to fill the blanks in if they make the holes in the plot too large. This was my main issue with Battlecards, but why I’m okay with Sagas for example. I feel with Battle cards, the developers are asking for too much work my end to suspend my disbelief

I’d be so disappointed if there are no rats in this set

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

I suspect they'll be like "We've got mice, close enough"

Do people actually care about MTG lore?? The cards look cool and adorable, I'm buying them. I seriously can't begin to give a miniscule of a fuck about MTG lore 🙄 the game is fun, that's all it needs to be

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

Depends. Do I count as "people"?

The omenpaths are because they want to distance themselves from the mainstream dying off of the superhero genre. Ultimately what I see happening is them trying this for 4-5 years until they make everything muddied flavor like Thunder Junktion and then have the Eldrazi wipe this nonsense clean of the multiverse's ass. (Thus Ulalek being introduced as a panic button in MH3.) Jace is here because they've sunk so much money into him being the face of Magic over a 20 year period to the point of him not being A main character, but THE main character. Where it's almost weird if they have a set without his involvement. Even non-Magic people with light exposure to the brand recognize him as being Magic related IP and abandoning that, would be foolhardy on WoTC's part. Don't break what's worked, right?

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

I mean, sure. But honestly... is this Magic when it's working? Eessh

Bloom borough is literally just going to be a ripoff of Redwall, like literally down to the main character being a warrior mouse with a name that starts with m and a magical sword, don't tell me there's also pirate rats and Badgers are essentially ogres. I'm not saying it's bad I'm just saying it's not as unique as some people people might think

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Redwall has pirate rats? That sounds sick. The more I hear about it the more I want to read it myself. I would LOVE a rat pirate deck

@nikolibarastov4487

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames my brother in nerddom, please do yourself the pleasure of reading redwall and the books for Lord of the Rings, because in Reading tolkien's work you get to see how much it has been bastardized, and how many other things it inspired, I would also recommend if you find time Conan the Barbarian the old 1930s Howardian Collection, and even as much as I'm not a huge fan of the man as a person, Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion cycle, and as a cherry on top Solomon Kane

@nikolibarastov4487

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames if Bloomburrow does not have pirates rats, I will be severely disappointed

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

I've seen the Schwarzenegger movies? Does that count? (I'll assume no haha)

@nikolibarastov4487

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames The fist one is pretty representative of the Howard Stories, and the second one is more like Marvel Sword of Conan, but the old stories are pretty fantastic, and again they are not nearly as verbose as Lord of the Rings.

Bunnie

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

I hope that's the creature type on the rabbit cards

Yeah, they shouldn't have put old characters in this set for no reason

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

I thought the point of the omen paths was to get away from reusing old characters, you know?

@oscarguzman3017

Ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames it could've been magical like the first eldraine, but they blew it!

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

Right?

🤮 Whatever happened to a world of MAGIC? My Little Pony, Autobots, Cowboys, now the Secret of Nimh?!! 🤮

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

Don't forget Detectives on Ravnica. SO. MANY. DETECTIVES!

"ral is an otter" is that is that a gay joke ???

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

If it is, I'm not the one that made it. (Have you seen the reason why his planeswalker spark ignited? I feel like this is the start of a new fan theory)

FURRY SETTTTTTTTTT

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

I suspect a lot of people are going to be very pleased with it haha

@callumbyrne4263

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames ME, I'm going to be pleased with it. The head of the Izzet is an Otter now! An Otter Bobcat!

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@@callumbyrne4263Haha, okay. Well now I'm hyped too. I hope you comment more often. I need this level of enthusiasm in my life.

The thing about this set and honestly most of fiction trying to depict a species other than humans is that it just feels like humans but reskinned. This set specifically feels particularly human despite having no humans in it because all the animals will behave like humans and are anthropomorphised. It's basically just furries...

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Well, maybe. But again look at those birds in the background. They don't seem anthropomorphised I think. Or at least from what I can see they're not wearing clothes. Yeah, I dunno. I'm apprehensive about this sets direction and the implication of becoming an animal / an animal becoming human has a lot of potential to just be really uncomfortable. And this is coming from me, a cartoon bobcat

@Dimitar_Tsanev

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames Yeah, I guess not all animals will be anthropomorphic which certainly contributes to the Goofy and Pluto situation you referred to. What I'm trying to say is that most of us will probably have an extremely hard time suspending our disbelief with this set because all the characters being 'animals' does nothing due to them essentially just being humans...

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I suppose so. But also I think that's weirdly the point? Though now you mention it, I actually do think it would be cool to do an entire animal set. Or like, a non-sentinent set. Just a wild post-apocalyptic plane set in the ruins of a long lost society, inhabited by whatever robotic machines of war still function and the giant wild beasts able to survive their onslaught. It would have to be very creature heavy, but would also make for an interesting plane for a few characters to get lost in and need to survive. Have we seen anything like that from Magic before?

@Dimitar_Tsanev

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I think Ikoria is really close to what you've described. I didn't play with the set myself while it was relevant but I own and have seen some cards from it and the creatures there definitely feel like wild animals.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

@@Dimitar_Tsanev Yeah, I suppose. But that really focused in on the humans of that world, and how they build bonds with the animals. I think it would be interesting to have a set purely just instinct driven creatures without any people at all. Maybe it could be where Etali, Primal Storm is from

cats seem overpowered vs everyone else

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Is it narcissistic if I agree?