Something I forgot to mention: Divine Ire has great EO uptime, unlike a lot of other ignite skills. Might make it juicier than i thought. Maw of Mischief point still stands.

@CR-un7wl

7 ай бұрын

Really great point about EO dude, there's potential here for ignite

@isaac5216

7 ай бұрын

Is the Crackling Lance in your comparison the newly buffered version?

@introsis

7 ай бұрын

What is EO?

@TheBenjaminlahn

7 ай бұрын

@@introsis elemental overload

@HowdyOaks

7 ай бұрын

Dude I've been wondering for a while now, what do you say at the end of your videos? I can't tell what language it is lol Anyway, thanks for the content! Affliction hype is def building... hope you have a good league start!

3:10 I loved the graph comparison to visualize the buff.

I'd love to see this on a totems build and watch the fireworks show. Looking at Tati's spreadsheet it seems like storm burst and creeping frost have the higher ceiling but divine ire hierophant can still be A+ tier

I kinda want to try a hit based divine ire with a linked penance brand + overcharge support in a shaper helm (as now penance full charges no matter the cast speed or anything) and penance is same scaling as divine ire outside of brand/channeling part its a phys to lightning spell I'm sure you can get 50% shock on bosses with penance overcharge its hard choosing a build tho , warlock of the magi with bloodmagic and flat phys damage from life cost looks nuts for penance , maybe good on divine ire too

DI ignite never had issues with clearing packs using the aoe tendrils and ignite prolif, even with the less dmg during channel. It only had issue with getting full charge and not dying when you need it, which is down to player judgement and skill to find the best opportunity to do so. Was much easier to play as Inquis with Stormfire due to prenerf EE and inherently more tanky. However, this has changed since you can charge it at similar rate compared to before but with more freedom on positioning. You no longer need to be close to the monster to receive the same offensive output thus making elementalist becoming a more viable choice. I can see it work better now on elementalist with cloak of flame being a synergistic and defensive chestpiece that cover main defensive weakness, phys dmg, though I would probably still swap from SoFlame to SoStorm when enough currency is available and slap on Stormfire. As the quality of golems are now increased buff effect, its more efficient to run golem ascendancy for league start to help with dmg, pdr, life regen and cast/atk spd for DI and Shieldcharge. DI doesnt need the increased aoe as much from elementalist as it doesnt affect the beam width, but once going stormfire, one should path towards EE for the synergy -50res with Mastermind of Discord. This will solve the QoL that WoC offer without gear. Along with dual curses, and Eye of malice, one should see a big enough ignite dps. Sure you lose a ring slot running stormfire, but your options for dps should only be polaric or rep emberwake. Losing polaric isnt detrimental as you can apply decent ash debuff with infernal cry. What you gain from shock effect scaling with SoS will outdps SoF and polaric once investment kicks in. Overall, for ignite, this is a welcomed change.

@manbagan

7 ай бұрын

Don't bait me into DI start...

@SuperCatacata

7 ай бұрын

@@manbagan It's never worth it. Always fun to try in theory, but also always ends up being mid at best.

One important note: hit version of divine ire in 3.23 will be WAY less effective in invitations and hard content like simulacrum, because "gain stages from enemy" works with multiple enemies. In 3.22 you can just press it for REALLY short time in every pack, and fire 20 charges beam, oneshoting any rares in it. You can open breach, and turn into basically machine gun. In 3.23... i'm not so sure about hit version. DI is definetely losed it's unique identity imo.

What do you think about the new Warlock ascendancy (the added phys dmg to spells node if you go the blood magic route?) for both DI and WoC?

Nice to see the details. I covered this buff but was too lazy too to the maths.

I was looking at TyTyKillers tier list saw divine ire, checked your channel. Low and behold you blessed me with this banger of a video. Thank you sir!

5:58 this much care with putting the little information we need at the correct time is what makes this youtuber a really good one. Thank you Pals

@PowerfulSkeleton

7 ай бұрын

Did you mean 'this *much* care'?

Definitely a nice boost in most cases. The stage gained on monster hit was actually veery significant for a wormflask pathfinder build I used with Divine ire in 3.21. So whoever else was using that tech loses out. And if anyone wants proof I can link a video and pob. Overall sad to lose that tech, but it opens up the skill for use waaay more.

@arjunratnadev

7 ай бұрын

dude I want totems Divine ire Chieftan or Inquisitor or Champ or anything BUT PATHFINDER, fukk that overused BS

@CR-un7wl

7 ай бұрын

@@arjunratnadev well cool thing is pathfinder wasn't required but the right side of tree is amazing, shadow would work well too.

@theannoyer2953

7 ай бұрын

Wht if you use the ravenous skill from wild ascendancy that make phantasm

Hey @Palsteron what about 2 lines of different colors on the SAME graph. ;)

Iam curious how it compares to shockwave totems though. The spell totem support nerfs on the base stats quite a bit - eats an extra socket unless oyu go with soul mantle etc...

Interesting point, but comparing it to storm burst might be a little off since it's new quality is a huge buff (around 33% more damage). I believe storm burst will be quite insane next league.

@jeffypwnzu

7 ай бұрын

Pal kind of a ward but ya storm burst totems will be amazing

Would love to see your take on a spell totem league starter.

@Palsteron

7 ай бұрын

I'm tempted

@ArnoldMejia

7 ай бұрын

Especially since cold conversion with heatshiver has been nerfed. Made getting giga damage totems affordable.

@noobkaka567

7 ай бұрын

Mmm yeah sit on that big spell totem palsteron

Great video, makes my decision easier and outlook more optimistic for my leaguestarter. I've been playing 1 build per league for 4 leagues straight using different channeling spells in conjunction with CwC-Bodyswap - bodyswap removes so much of clunkiness and sluggishness of self-cast channeling spells and makes mapping a very pleasant experience, so sacrificing some damage is totally worth it in my opinion. Can't stop playing that type of builds cause it's so damn fun and this huge upgrade for building up damage part of Divine Ire makes the decision to finally try it out with CwC-Bodyswap even easier. I doubt I'll have harder time with it than on WO-CwC-Bodyswap Slayer that I still found very successful for my standards - but struggled a bit more early in red maps than incinerate/ltendrils/scorching ray-cwc bodyswap buids I've played aside from it

I saw the changes and I called it - Div Ire Totem was a thing back in Ultimatum but I wouldn't /didn't know how to offset the cast speed malus and get something like prolif combod into one build. Was still one of my fav totem skills tho. So I am happy you are talking about this again.

Keep up the awesome work

Can you please make a video about hexblast and how the loss of mine throwing speed affects the build?

What about using the Stormfire to have the charge circle ignite?

Actually storm burst got buffed a lot with that quality change (+0.4sec for base duration at 20%) - so this Divine Ire change should mostly impact self casters in the end.

Penance brand might be interesting for ignite, because it similarly to divine ire, takes 2 seconds to explode, but you can just leave it and walk away, dealing around similar damage to a wave of conviction, with a big boom

hi !" it works for bosses or ubers?

what about the beam aoe with quality ? With Diala's you can get 90% quality add ashes and your can get to 123% how big is the aoe at that point ?

Hello, interesting video, do you know how the reduced effect duration for divine ire works?

@aryotron7256

7 ай бұрын

Doesnt change anything

@waranddeath6936

7 ай бұрын

Divine Ire is not a duration skill (does not have duration tag)

Which do you think is better for general map clearing / uber bossing and some delving? Divine Ire or Storm Burst totem (with Hierophant) in 3.23?

@SuperCatacata

7 ай бұрын

Both are going to be slow as shit for mapping because totems. But amazing for bossing.

What is your opinion on Penance Brand Ignite Chieftain? Popping Ultimatums/Expeditions etc. with Chieftain Explody, Penance Brand for great DPS(?) and maybe add some Burning Ground or whatever (RF is dead for this kind of scaling now I believe). edit: For Spell Totems, FP/IS Hierophant still going strong for budget single target (maybe with new Destructive Play where you can instakill the boss and still get summoned aid bosses)

the main question i had, was how does divine ire compare with penance brand and WoC.

One of my league start options is Divine Ire Totems

@ThanhLai5

7 ай бұрын

Same here!

@WhiteMyosotis

7 ай бұрын

Same the idea of railgun totems sounds super fun XD

can somebody give a link to starter LS champ or reap champ or LA. if these builds are not dead

Is Divine ire totem Chieftain will be good? With his new totem explosions?

Tl:Dw for the hit-based part: if your beam chargeup area is hitting enemies you now deal ~20% more damage compared to before. If your beam chargeup area is NOT hitting enemies you now deal twice the damage compared to before

Would you be making a totem build with DI?

Something to keep in mind for spell totem, the support gem gives 40% Less Cast Speed, which means the total speed for a totem to fire off the beam is around 3 seconds. This'll lower the dps a lot, and divine ire needs a fairly significant investment into cast speed to solve this issue.

@DrunkGeko

7 ай бұрын

It's not a problem on totems since you don't have to stand still and if the totem dies or is replaced it actually casts the beam with however many charges it managed to get And since the scaling is not exponential or anything you don't lose dps by discharging beams early. The only thing you may care about (but you really don't on totems) would be beam width but that too caps at 5 charges so it's fine Essentially cast speed is just another dps multiplier, you don't need to hit a threshold or anything like that

I usually start my league with Divine Ire totem although it felt more clunky in the past. Glad to see GGG buff the skill.

@Hawkotelli

7 ай бұрын

Do you follow a build or make your own?

Replica Covenant also looks cool for spell totems, has more damage than Soul Mantle on freezing pulse (at least as far as I can tell) and you don't have to build around being cursed (got the ES cost though). Would be curious to see how it compares for DI totems.

@praetorianmk-ii4522

7 ай бұрын

Thats another thing thats good for totems by the way - as any channeling skill, DI has low mana cost per use and that makes spell totems very cheap, so EB should solve ES cost completely, or maybe you'll just go with -x mana cost on the ring(s) to make skill free completely.

@RG32822

7 ай бұрын

Might be a good option for cold-convert shockwave totems too.

Mm, I've played them a few times and I saw the buff and had an interest in doing it again, but my minion side wins this time so it will just go onto the pile of maybe's. When we see the full gem changes I could be swayed if they have some sort of new effect.

Stormburst totems got a duration buff, could be good

This feels extremely similar to scorching ray totem with searing bond...stacking totems. Iv played it three leagues so far and it's not the fastest because you keep having to drop totems but it did do decent DMG. Not sure if this is better

Malachai shield with brotherhood 12 12 charges and you will zoom maps with it. Its not as clunky as people think it is. Herald of ice.

I wonder if there is a transfigured gem, that allows you to release the beam automatically when you reach the max stage

@waranddeath6936

7 ай бұрын

Totems already do that

@wolfie691

7 ай бұрын

I mean you, not your totem@@waranddeath6936

Is Divine Ire SSF-Viable? Its my favorite skill but i want to play SSF this Leauge... :(

Your calculation for the old damage is wrong. The damage didn't change since it took you 20 stages to get to the beam so you would get 283×20×50%=2830 the only thing changed is the time it takes, the dmg is unchanged

i want to see the new Frost Bomb on totems with high cast speed :D

Usually more enemies around = faster charges stacking, not a big deal. They just simplified it to split for new version with usual behavior I guess

Glad this skill is getting some love, always wanted to play it but self cast looked sooo clunky. Sadly Absolution is already waiting for me

Why is it always ignite or totems? Why not just normal hit damage? Is it really that bad, if so, why? 😢

@Gigamegamanperson

7 ай бұрын

Probably because standing still channelling is no bueno in this game. At least with ignite once you have your big damage you can move during the dot effect.

@stefanwlb

7 ай бұрын

​@@Gigamegamanpersonah fair point thank you for response.

POB?

Im thinking of Chietain Divine Ire ignite totems for leaguestart (planning to swap to something else -that i was sure that would get nerfed in this patch, but wasnt-, but still ignite based, later). The change for Chieftain explode that now also triggers by totems seems good enough to me to try it. Also since 10 stages is max, will be way faster than before for totems and not as much cast speed required.

@loobkoob

7 ай бұрын

Totems are just strictly worse for ignite builds than self-casting. They have a 40% LESS damage multiplier, which is really bad. And you don't really benefit from the skill casting lots of times because you can only have one ignite at a time. Plus ignite has great coverage anyway with prolif. You either do hit-based with totems OR you do ignite as self-cast. Unless you just want to play it for the flavour, of course! Just know that totem ignites are much weaker.

@captainfeish6028

7 ай бұрын

@@loobkoobwith the exception of EA totems that’s mostly true.

@peterlusstig2680

7 ай бұрын

@@loobkoob i might be missing something, but wouldnt you in case of chieftain mainly play around the hinekora explosion to proc huge ignites that are not effected by the totem malus?! so basicly u would scale ignite, but not realy to do big ignite with your totems but rather use the totems to trigger a huge ignite with hinekora and prolif that shit all over the place. so the totems are just the initiator and your ascandency is your "main dps skill".

@loobkoob

7 ай бұрын

@@peterlusstig2680 the thing is, your clear is really good already with ignite. The area it's generally lacking is single-target, and in single-target situations, explosions are going to be far less reliable. There are a couple of ways to use the explosions for single-target damage: Vaal Breach, and potentially that new Mark skill from the Warlock ascendancy that spawns phantasms (depending on the phantasms' health and how quickly they spawn - we don't know that yet). Neither of those things is necessarily reliable for every situation where you need single-target damage. There's also just no real advantage to using totems. Typically, the advantages are: * better coverage - you put down totems that spew out skills everywhere and target enemies for you rather than trying to cover everything yourself - this isn't relevant with ignite because you already have great coverage via prolif * better single-target damage - having 4 or 5 totems doing 60% of your damage means you're doing 240-300% of the damage you'd do if you self-cast - this isn't relevant with ignite because you can only have a single ignite stack, so you'll only do 60% of your self-cast damage * safe single-target - you can put your totems down and just focus on dodging while they deal damage - this isn't nearly as relevant with ignite because you only have to hit the enemy once and then you can focus on dodging for the next ~5 seconds anyway. Basically, none of the typical advantages of totems are beneficial for a totem ignite build, and it comes with a huge DPS disadvantage. Like @captainfeish6028 said, Explosive Arrow totems are the only real exception because they DO get a lot of extra damage due to how the skill works with stacking arrows. Pretty much every other skill is better to go self-cast for ignite.

divine ire of desintegration totems??? will be nice to try

I have gone divine ire several times and never, ever, not regretted it.

Falling zombies with montregul and ignite is probably the way. Also DD ignite has like 5 times the dps of DI, without having to invest in damage at all

For Clunky ignite I rather go flame blast because it also has vaal version and you could switch to flame dash for mapping. But damn, DI just looks awesome

@oataoast4873

7 ай бұрын

dont think so, 20 stage down to 10 stage that pretyy fast.

divine ire self cast bad?

Doesnt it ramp up to 10 stages quicker than it ramped to 20?

@waranddeath6936

7 ай бұрын

It lost the "Gains an additional Stage when Hitting a Rare or Unique Enemy" form before, but yeah, should never be slower than before

All i want is to see is someone getting max gem quality possible and doing a fat chonky beam. By my calculations the maximum is Dialla + Ashes + Enhance + 23% base = 139% quality. Would be fun running around with Divine Ire that has 139% increased beam width.

I disagree on the hit based version being too clunky. You only need 5 stacks to reach the old damage value, and with the removal of the 50% dmg debuff while channeling, you will still be doing appreciable damage to normal/magic packs. If you get enough cast speed you'll be able to fire off 5 dmg stacked ires with little issue, that being said I do thing that totems are the better option. I think with the Hinekora change, that makes your totems also make things go boom, could be really interesting. You set the totem, it taunts, it charges and fires and very little will be standing afterwards.

your ignite math is ignoring the hit scaling per stage?

Has anyone ever told you that you remind me of Rodney McKay? from SG1?

Ive played DI ignite a few times, and its definitely near the top of my list for affliction, but at the end of the day the problem most people have with divine ire still stands--standing still. Trying to do things like ultimatums in red maps will be a rude awakening for people who usually play the standard zoomer league starter builds. You have to change the way you approach the game.

@Sarkoidosis1

7 ай бұрын

Would you recommend chieftain or elementalist for league start and if anything, do you have a pob ?

I was hyped to make a dovine ire starter. I tought it was max 10 stack, like now i see it was 20 i already looking for something else. Its a buff yea but not what i am looking for

@AimTechZGaming

7 ай бұрын

It's max 10 stack when the changes go through right now its 20

Figures theyd buff someyhing ppl used to like and it still not be viable. Would really love to see winterorb and soulrend get some love to being viable. Like they want player variety, they make cool skills people like then nerf them into the ground 2 leagues later. Its fuckin dumb. Maybe do half the nerf that they wanna do so they can still be playable.

@dommyshan

7 ай бұрын

Yeah. I got the cool Soulrend cats MTX and can't do anything else with them besides self casting. No totem or traps or mines. I want to flood the screen with the cats but it's always DoT so it's never a good idea to have rapid multiple projectiles. I hope they have some neat transfigure gem for Soulrend that supports rapid fire dps somehow. I doubt it, but I can always hope. :)

@mattb6646

7 ай бұрын

@dommyshan yeah I got that mtx when it came out too, hopefully your wish will come true, I wouldn't mind doing that either. That's part of what makes the skill satisfying

@dommyshan

7 ай бұрын

@@mattb6646 Well, the 2nd list of transfigure gems came out and still no sign of Soulrend. There's Forbidden Rite though, which also have a cat mtx. I don't have that though. If it turns out they won't make one for Soulrend, I'll have to buy the FR cat mtx :P

returning, didn't played for few leagues... is still thinking what to play, wondering if I should try this clunky skill 🤣🤣😄😄😂😂

He did not call vegeta's signature move "final flash" a kamehameha.

meanwhile Mathil did a ignite divine Ire with chifetain this league. Hitting every wrong category.. looks amazing though

Flash forward 1 week .. yes plz!

this is going to be a 5Head league. I can already see you salivating over it Pal.

hierophant divine ire totems was a league start a long time ago. nice bossing but yep slow in maps

Chieftain totems will be great this league and I am going divine ire since the hinekora will clear

I rather much go full on divine ire and if it is possible please post it! I want to take this to the moon!

might be the time to revisit my breach league lazordisco character. was a scorching ray BM hiero back then. and my god was it clunky and bad compared to my modern standards...

Divine ire totems. Hinekoras effects totems now too. 🤷🏽‍♀️ Can you talk about penance I’m trying to wrap my head around it’s #’s

supa saiyajin gudto

I feel like someone good at the game will be able to make a flicker-like build with divine ire+cwc+body swap and RF but it won't be me.

Same a Kaioken!!

The new DI base damage is... OVER 9000!!!!

Divine Ire is still easier to proc Elemental Overload and it is the coolest spell in the game imo. Cmon, who doesnt want to burn the flesh off the enemies while doing a Kamehameha?

Any kind of spell is buffed. Palsteron: TOTEMS? IGNITE? AYOOOOOOOOOOO

It has way bigger AoE than WoC if you actually consider the aoe part that is getting doubled damage and was already enough to kill the normal/magic monsters and spreads ignite etc etc. The clear will be fine but if a full channel isn't way more damage than other skills it's still not worth it. Crack lance got 1 of the biggest buffs tho, 10% more damage per intensity, that's 40% more damage with just 20% qual. Slap on an inpulsa and clear is fine and then go machine gun selfcasting.

Screw totems, I'm going selfcast inquisitor

@ivonbeton4725

7 ай бұрын

Me too. Probably will be rage rerolling after a few days, but fuck it.

I like your arguments, and would like to play dragonball totems, but I looked at poe ninja and even with those buffs even the best hierophant divine ire totem right now wouldnt get to 2 million damage

now do shockwave totem and flicker strike =)

Will Divine Ire totems build viable?

Divine Ire ignite sounds juicy

i will play it just because i like to shoot a big kamehameha beam ^^

Still sad they gutted every channeling node from the tree and just left it that way forever

for ignite DI is mehhh but self crit cast is ok , not that op like it was in + -3.15, but now its a lot option to play it. Tanky ? nahh, big happy damage ? YES sirrr . But its not bow build when you run map in 1 min :( if you here and think about play DI by crit self cast YES YOU CAN PLAY IT , This gonna to be good not tier s or tier 1 ,but still nice to play

After watched your video: its still the same, nothing change for totem, only selfcast thing

Arc Totem

Couldn't it become the spell EA Champ ?

Man im so tired of cool spells only being league start viable with damn totems or ballistas. So annoying.

…because of the totem IMPLICATION

What's also relevant is getting 20% beam width which helps a great deal with clearing efficiently. Still, Storm Burst getting 33% more base duration from quality is insane and you'd be crazy to not play it

Divine Eier

As a math teacher, your function which gives one x value infinite y values, makes me very sad

Penance brand video please 😅

@waranddeath6936

7 ай бұрын

There are some people cooking it... but without PoB is actually really hard to calculate Penance Brand damage

Dude, I thought I was the only one who picked up on the insane damage buff to Divine Ire!

Waiting for your opinion in EA ballista 😂

@minhocho5487

7 ай бұрын

Did it not get did it not just get a 10% dmg buff if you have the attack speed?

@abonasr9920

7 ай бұрын

@minhocho5487 I don't know how much dmg it get buffed exactly And is the 8 fuses now will make cleare speed slower as we cant get attack speed fast on league start

@madhatten5123

7 ай бұрын

EA Elementalist good. Your welcome

@alex7435

7 ай бұрын

Will still be a top tier league starter, completely fine. Might be worth running a quill rain rather than storm cloud to hit the new higher aspd cap, but will still be really good.

@minhocho5487

7 ай бұрын

@abonasr9920 nothing changed early and you now just have a higher dps ceiling. It is nothing but a buff to the build.

not very excited about Divine ire tbh, it's not a dmg buff is just QoL, which was needed but will not put it on par with other competitive options. btw you forgot to compare divine ire to Lightning Conduit when doing the lightning skills comparison

@waranddeath6936

7 ай бұрын

Lightning Conduit needs the quality investments to be competitive, and he wanted to do the comparisson on easier numbers

@sdfwegwewr2455

7 ай бұрын

5 stages would make the skill usable, 10 is still too much

Divine ire is almost the same guys. Nothing special

@ZXbolterZX

7 ай бұрын

Yeah basically the same. Still clunky. Though the extra girth might help it alot for clear who knows.

@JTD472

7 ай бұрын

@@ZXbolterZXshe told me the girth helps a LOT

@lukeclarke267

7 ай бұрын

​@JTD472 then again less stages means a shorter time to the shot... so while extra girth is nice I don't think she'd appreciate the shorter time.

@lukeclarke267

7 ай бұрын

@@amondberzal6195 I'm not sure if this is a whoosh moment. I feel like it is. So, I'll go with my instincts... WHOOSH

@IamNinjaOfNinja

7 ай бұрын

like seriously guys, you're better off with playing cleave or reave