DM: *gives players magic items* Player: *uses magic items* DM: "Wait no that's illegal"

@Alfredox314

3 жыл бұрын

I know I am going to regret this, but here, have, now make me suffer.

@MASHo1992

3 жыл бұрын

DM: "You are supposed to never use it because you are waiting for an even more impossible situation to come up and actually need it"

@kevinbarnard355

3 жыл бұрын

@@MASHo1992 Every potion ever!

@mkman9530

3 жыл бұрын

I gave my players some magical things and now hate my life xD all in all they have a blast and keep coming back for more so thats all that really matters

@morpheoss

3 жыл бұрын

@@mkman9530 i gave my players a magic mirror that can trap 1 person in it who looks inside. it "was" suppose to trap the first person who looked it in i "thought" one of the players and they would have to try and get him out. did that happen? nope... they find the mirror wrapped in cloth on a dead guy in a secret room. the one player picked it up and he said he inspects it i was about to tell him how he unwraps the cloth looks into the mirror and gets trapped inside. but as i start he said. no no i dont unwrap it i inspect it, as in i want to know what i am holding, what i think is in the wrap using basic judgment. i was like oh. he rolled a 19... ok you seem to be holding a hand mirror wrapped in cloth. he said hmmm i put it in my backpack. i was like dang.. ok.. soon. 6 or 7 months latter they are fighting a crazy hard boss i set up almost 2 months leading into. he shows up the big bad he starts making his speech. the player with the mirror says i take out the mirror in my bag from that one dead guy and unwrap it facing it to the bad guy. i was like wait what? what mirror? i forgot about the item as it never came back up. i was like omg why. so he faces the mirror at the bad guy making his speech the bad guy sees his reflection and gets trapped. they keep this guy in the mirror with them for almost 3 years after. till we ended with them traveling the world in a flying house. btw the player told me he suspected it was a cursed item from the beginning but didn't think it was really going to work cuz he didn't know if it really was cursed he just thought it might be lol.

“He was stuck in his mouth, what’s a tricky situation to you” genuinely laughed at that

@jonsimpson6240

3 жыл бұрын

I had the exact scenario in question happen to me once, except I had also downed a potion of invulnerability before the fight...

@magistermagus1211

3 жыл бұрын

can he really get inside of a creature? there is no breathable air, only gasses that the body of the creature produces. i think the player would just pass out and die...

@jonsimpson6240

3 жыл бұрын

@@magistermagus1211 crawling down the throat, also characters can hold their breaths for insanely long times.

@rosem.gottschalk9528

3 жыл бұрын

Vore?

@jonsimpson6240

3 жыл бұрын

@@rosem.gottschalk9528 in that area, but without the sexual side that vore usually has.

Me, an intellectual: Uses immovable rods as points to set up my hammock wherever I please.

@25_Cats_in_a_Trenchcoat

3 жыл бұрын

I soverigned glued to my arm

@Lychen_Lyre

3 жыл бұрын

My teifling sorcerer bought two immovable rods for this exact purpose

@GrimmundusRex

3 жыл бұрын

I've got a Tabaxi Ranger who uses a Broom of Flying for that exact purpose... along with a lot of other silliness.

@nickyjay4046

3 жыл бұрын

Genius

@DrZaius3141

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lychen_Lyre Get a few of them and you're essentially buying a stairway to heaven.

Using magic items in interesting ways is just all that I wish my players would do. I would rather not be the DM in a boss battle where it’s just the players hitting the boss 50 times in a row without any ingenuity.

@freepalestine2434

3 жыл бұрын

I rolled a 16. What does that do, DM?

@nekowerewolf9769

3 жыл бұрын

@@freepalestine2434 that gets you a jail sentence.

@supremehare9893

3 жыл бұрын

@@freepalestine2434 bad news is your pregnant, the good news is that you get your own tv show.

@sailorquestion3229

3 жыл бұрын

@@supremehare9893 But it is actually just a insane mage who kidnaps people while trying to make a tv show due to how one of his visions he saw one in the far future.

@sailorquestion3229

3 жыл бұрын

Then you kill him and gets your own tv show. Congratulations!

"I think I'd rather be angry, just out of spite." This phrase explains so much of EVERYTHING.

@slayinderp7501

3 жыл бұрын

Ah, Relentless Rage at it again

@artsunit

3 жыл бұрын

we have all had a player or dm do this at some point lol

@jelte3754

3 жыл бұрын

Can't blame the man

@tangoto1209

3 жыл бұрын

Yea

@KingNedya

3 жыл бұрын

@@artsunit I mean...I haven't. But maybe I'm just lucky. Or inexperienced. That could be it too.

“Exploit” is a funny way to say “use”

@Jacquelinsane

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that’s the joke

@Phelan666

3 жыл бұрын

"I press button." "EXPLOITER!"

@dndbasement2370

3 жыл бұрын

nope.. like every people trying to put a tower int hemouth of a dragon and saying there i killed it... the face they do when i say the tower do not appear. and they are lie why ?!! and then i read them the last part of the tower... which specify that it must be set straight in a 10 foot wide straight area for it to work. reality is.... people who want to ignore the rules of items to make abusve move... thats not on the DM. thats on the players who just try to cheat their way instead of playing the right way ! the saem way most DMs ignore materials for spells and then wonder why they are so abusives.

@nathanschubert3048

3 жыл бұрын

@@dndbasement2370 Personally, I'm much more happy with the dm saying my spells are weaker or I have fewer slots if it means we can all just skip the ridiculous level of bookkeeping and assume my component pouch has every non GP cost component in it. (Still have to buy the incense for find familiar, gems for other spells, etc.) Now when the enemy rogue steals my pouch/focus, that's when I'll finally pull out the tables and chances to find a grasshopper leg (jump), spit in my hand (droplet of water for create or destroy water), have my bat familiar poop (fireball), snag the nearest cobweb (web), and prepare only verbal and somatic spells at the first long rest, etc. But that's still just temporary until i get it back at the end of the fight or buy a new one. Granted I have a good DM and I trust him to handle my spells with the many tools the DM has at his disposal.

@dndbasement2370

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanschubert3048 and honestly, you just described the rules as they are written. which is component pouch or focus are used to cast components spells as along as they dont have a gold cost. they are considered always full with necessary stuff... so yeah, i agreew ith you because you ust litrally played by the rules as written and intended.

"Imagination is a weapon. Those who do not use it are the first to die." - Goblin Slayer

@ferociousmaliciousghost

3 жыл бұрын

That's true unless you are a barbarian.

@Matthias129

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferociousmaliciousghost Nah man, barbarians imagine punching things angrily all the time. They just do it *while* punching things angrily!

@spicyice1012

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferociousmaliciousghost I don’t know, tavern brawler barbarians get pretty creative, which flavor of corpse will I beat this guy up with today?

@CaesarShadowKnight

3 жыл бұрын

@@spicyice1012 variety is the spice of life

@TheHobbyExpert

3 жыл бұрын

The water portal gate scroll tho👌

"I use the immovable rod in the dragon's throat" "the dragon attempts to move, but notices something is off. it stands still, and uses it's breath weapon."

@garrettord3304

3 жыл бұрын

This would have been the way to play it. The dragon could potentially destroy the rod that way, but wouldn't be able to aim the breath weapon well with his neck stuck in position. At the very least, he bought the party a turn.

@jlaw131985

2 жыл бұрын

@@garrettord3304 also, honestly 8000 pounds of force spread out over 24-36 inches probably wouldn’t be that terrible to a dragon. Now, if it was point on, rather than length-wise, that could hit like a bullet, but likely not instantly lethal to a dragon.

@Jebu911

2 жыл бұрын

@@jlaw131985 rod actually still has dc 30 strength check so its not impossible to move around. But yeah tarrasque with a nat 20 can move it.

@jlaw131985

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jebu911 The rod can also only hold 8000 pounds of weight or it gives out. A dragon likely weighs more than an elephant, meaning if it got caught on something like bone or scale (rather than just punching through) while the dragon was flying, it would give out. Especially because the pounds per square inch of the surface area wouldn't be enough to break even a lot of human bones, let alone something as tough as dragon bone. Unless its point is facing (mostly) with the vector of motion, at which point it would probably punch through like a small bullet. It could possibly do some major damage, but it's unlikely to kill a dragon, unless you got really lucky.

@manictiger

2 жыл бұрын

@@jlaw131985 [Chucks mass-less potion at dragon]

This mans acting is so intense I can genuinely believe I’m seeing 2 of him

@randymarsh5176

3 жыл бұрын

you mean jakob and his twin brother jacob?

@davion8752

3 жыл бұрын

I legit did not realize it was the same person until you mentioned that

@desechablemia8733

3 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of a Spanish youtuber called mister Jagger that acts as all of his characters and he eventually managed to make a film with all of his characters while playing all of them and after like 1 week in the theatres he uploaded it for free. He is kinda chaotic

@magmat0585

3 жыл бұрын

what, you thought this was acting?

@Marguns21

3 жыл бұрын

We might be drunk...

This implies my players remember what magic items I've given them.

@Voldrim359

3 жыл бұрын

I usually write all down what i got, even the skills and what they do... It's not the player's fault, is the DM who is not tracking well the players

@demonic_myst4503

3 жыл бұрын

Players are responcible f9r yracking their own stats and equipment

@jiiaga5017

3 жыл бұрын

I think this is why our DM never gives us magic items

@CommanderS579

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. I just inundated my players with so many items they forget half of them are there and cant attune to that much.

@Quandry1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Voldrim359 the DM can ask to see the characters sheet at any time to remind themselves what is on it and what they've given them and the exact powers.

Wow. He's angrily arguing with himself in a "chaotic shouting over one another" way. That's a pretty rad trick.

@Almighty_Mage

3 жыл бұрын

Just playing two audio clips at once

@kaldo_kaldo

3 жыл бұрын

You know how he did it? Magic items.

@Ferelcapox7

2 жыл бұрын

@@Almighty_Mage Wow no shit

“The dragon attempts to shift to the side, and the rest of you watch and it pauses, it’s reptilian face awash in something like confusion. It moves again and stops, face contorting in pain and rage. ‘What have you done to me?!’” And the combat encounter has now become a roleplay encounter. Problem I keep seeing is petty DMs treating the game like it’s them vs the players. The fun is in putting obstacles in front of your players and seeing how they overcome them. They aren’t your enemies; they’re rats in your maze. You may occasionally reward them with cheese for cleverly solving a problem you gave them, but sometimes you also electrocute the floor. If all you want is the electrocution the maze is redundant.

@Yawyna124

3 жыл бұрын

It can also shift position, gut presses the button, dragon freed. You don't need to let them have the easy and cliche route out.

@matthewdancz9152

3 жыл бұрын

But it is DM versus the players. Dnd is literally a war game where the players characters combined are one side of the battle and DM's are the other side of the battle. The DM has additional powers that allows them an unfair advantage, but all adversarial war games are comprised of two sides trying to kill each other.

@Yawyna124

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewdancz9152 maybe once-upon-a-time, but it's evolved since then. There's a reason "conjure animals" gets the degree of aggressive eye-rolling from DM's that it does, that being it turns it into a war game, no matter what the situation is.

@VisonsofFalseTruths

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewdancz9152 oh blow off with that shit. D&D hasn’t been a war game since literally ever. It was DERIVED from Chainmail but calling it a war game is like calling DOA:Xtreme a fighting game cuz it’s based on Dead or Alive.

@manUNITED986

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewdancz9152 it's not a war game you Neanderthal, it's a TTRPG. Fun, is what it's about. Not DM vs PC.

It's not abuse if the DM doesn't bother to take into account the items they gave the players

@TheBayzent

3 жыл бұрын

That's the point of the video?

@johnspencer7838

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Give the players less.

@GeneSargentArt

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBayzent yes I know, I saw it lol

@GeneSargentArt

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnspencer7838 or just be more creative as a DM

@Khaons

3 жыл бұрын

​@@williamcurtis2145 The real "problem" as I see in the video, is the players making the rullings for what happens with their actions, not the GM. Cuz u see, the bag of holding can't carry the weight of everyone in the party, so that's a no no. Who says the dragon, a legendary creature by nature, is insta killed by an immovable rod? Not you guys The fortress is a valid use by rules of the cool (not raw nuh uh), but that's it, you lost this item, it's destroyed

Gee, if only you could include a G-Fuel powered villain who had the power of dispelling all magic items, that'd be neat.

@armandomassimini3023

3 жыл бұрын

*Wizard stares at the camera*

@thezerowulf507

3 жыл бұрын

So Mordenkainen and his spell Disjunction?

@ZvelHaj

3 жыл бұрын

I want to upvote, but this comment in particular deserves to stay at 69

@lorekeeper685

3 жыл бұрын

@@thezerowulf507 antimagic shell or guardian's tear work better

@lostkriegsguardsman8615

3 жыл бұрын

That reminds me of a campaign plot i had, feel free to use it as you want: basically we had finished the first part of the adventure that was succesfully trying to stop an archwizard to reach the "point of magical convergence" he basically made a whole disaster in the world as he began to absorb all magic to himself and tried to rule the world with his unlimited spells (the party was around level 8 when they killed him and the spells slots were only until level 3) so the next part of the story was that all the pissed off peasents, some nobles that got everything they own blown up, tried to seal the "magical convergence" so magic wouldnt be a problem ever more and that the world would be that much difficult to conquer, basically making an "anti magic pro science" cult. Obviusly they would come up with special weapons to fight magic againts magic to end magic. Special shackles that prevent use of somatic spells, long range chockers to prevent speaking, even loud explosions to deafen magic users so they wouldnt know if they were saying things right.

Honestly, I love it when players do creative things like this. I gave a player a knife coated in a poison capable of killing anything (but only one thing) and rather than using the knife to kill the BBEG, she made a deal with the BBEG using the knife as a bartering chip. She turned our whole game on its head and honestly, I couldn’t be happier.

@EzloMinish

3 жыл бұрын

(Preface: sorry for the random 4-month-later ding, lol) Reading this made me start thinking of possible twists for this sort of item. Like, rather than instant death, what if it did a certain amount of damage per round, with no cure? Lower levelled enemies would die immediately anyway, but depending on how much damage you decided on stronger enemies would have different amounts of time before death. How would they spend that time? Zero self-preservation "I'll take you all with me" attack, or desperately trying to survive with healing? Would the players keep attacking to end the fight as quickly as possible and minimise damage, or hit and run to wait it out? Spells like Sequester could pause the timer, leading to dishonest bargaining ("I know a spell that will stop you from dying, in return..."), or trying to survive until there could be a cure, or just desperately delaying the inevitable. Or what if it killed the target after a minute, as long as the attacker was still alive? What if it was a spell with a long cast time? Or a limited-use upgrade to Power Word: Kill that lets you raise the HP threshold the longer you spend casting... but the target is immediately aware of the magic? Or what if it only worked on certain targets? Like unintelligent creatures with no alignment, or creatures matching the wielder's alignment, encouraging players to try and play enemies against each other? Or a target you truly hold no significant enmity towards, so it's useless for vengeance but perfect for a callous villain for whom this is just another Tuesday. Can you make the BBEG *care* about killing you enough that they can't use the magic kill-everything dagger to do it? This very quickly turned into word vomit directly from my imagination and I am (sort of) sorry. Hopefully some of my nonsense inspires new ideas in someone else.

@victoriavilulf5058

3 жыл бұрын

@@EzloMinish So I play a combination of several White Wolf games in the World of Darkness series. This dagger was given to the player by a god (Loki) who had special interest in this enemy being killed. The player using it in a bargain lead me to some even more unique ideas for story elements. The dagger isn’t the only thing in my game that deals damage to literally any being it’s used against; however, all weapons with this effect have the same drawback. They drain the users hit points in accordance to how you use them. Almost every player has had access to a weapon like this throughout the game but they typically aren’t aware of the drawback until it starts happening.

@ronben-ezer8373

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, my group’s DM gave us the exact same poisoned knife item consept as well! Last session tho one of the players decided to use it to execute an enemy that has already surrendered to the group as punishment for all they’ve done and my oath of redemption paladin had to go through a mini identity crisis lol

@victoriavilulf5058

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronben-ezer8373 I just love players doing things that I don’t expect.

@janys6502

2 жыл бұрын

Whats a BBEG?

"I put them in my bag of holding" "You open the bag and they climb in, but as they do, the water begins flooding the bag, leaving them holding their breath to avoid drowning"

@TripleB87

3 жыл бұрын

Shoulda just opened the bag and drained the room. But, y'know, with his second bag that doesn't have anything in it yet.

@Donut0389

3 жыл бұрын

@@TripleB87 Bag of Holding has finite space inside it. As does the Portable Hole.

@R0GU351GN4L

3 жыл бұрын

There's no air in the bag anyway, so adding water won't make a difference.

@awkwardvulpix3085

3 жыл бұрын

@@R0GU351GN4L There isn't naturally air, but the way I rule it is that opening it lets air flow in. So there's air, but only lasting so long until they breathe too much of it

@Yawyna124

3 жыл бұрын

@@R0GU351GN4L There is, or else how would breathing creatures be able to breath within it? "Breathing creatures inside the bag can survive up to a number of minutes equal to 10 divided by the number of creatures (minimum 1 minute), after which time they begin to suffocate." -Bag of Holding, D&D 5e " If living creatures are placed within the bag, they can survive for up to 10 minutes, after which time they suffocate." -Bag of Holding, D&D 3e, 3.5e Not certain about what it says in AD&D and 4e, but consistently throughout editions, breathing creatures don't need to hold their breath for 10 minutes. If you wanted something to immediately start suffocating in a Bag of Holding in 3e and 5e at the least, then it would need to be filled with water, or else you would need to wait 10 minutes. Though, I am quite curious about how to rule the item interaction with a creature who can hold their breath longer than 10 minutes, such as a lizardfolk or an aquatic mammal or reptile.

Remember though, using a magic item to defeat the villain is like, every fantasy novel ever.

@korvincarry3268

3 жыл бұрын

Legend of zelda too

@Mirekluk

3 жыл бұрын

I mean yeah sure. Let me ask though : Would you expect the novel protagonist to win without it? Because D&D does. It works in novels, because it's impossible task. So hero needs to find an item that will save the day. As an example, in CoS I personally found that having all 3 artefacts and 11th lvl (one player left, so I gave them level instead, 3vStrahd :D ) And just the sunsword is so powerful against him. I don't advocate not to use those, I just think it'd be cool to think about ways that PC's and Monsters are balanced. Without magic items.

@diablo.the.cheater

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mirekluk But with magic items is better, more poetic, makes a better story and what is a role-playing game but a way of collective storytelling? Combat should always be the lowest denominator for when there is not a better way to do it.

@timetraveler_from_2012

3 жыл бұрын

@@diablo.the.cheater "what is a role-playing game but a way of collective storytelling?". A game. And what makes a game fun? Enough challenge to make it engaging without being so difficult that it is frustrating, among other things. By defeating an enemy with little to no difficulty you are not only ruining the combat for yourself by making it too easy but also you are ruining the combat for everyone else who gets to do literally nothing. Like you said, it's collective storytelling. Sure maybe the Fighter is having fun while cutting off the BBEG's head with a vorpal sword but what about what about the Wizard or the Rogue who have now not been able to do anything to contribute to the story? And also, how is it a better story or more poetic to defeat an enemy through, for instance, putting them in a bag of devouring, rather than a battle to the death between a group of adventurers who have trained all this time just to be strong enough to have a chance against a near insurmountable enemy ?

@mrosskne

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mirekluk It's not the player's job to care about what the game expects. Their job is to play their character, and nothing else.

Ripping a dragon apart from the inside with an extending stick sounds like a much more interesting story than “we hit it with swords until it died”.

@Graxil

3 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t extend, it simply stays in place (supposedly relative to the planet?) after the button is pushed. To move it afterwards, the creature that first pushed it must push it again, otherwise it can withstand 8000 pounds or only be moved 10ft (I think) with a DC 30 Str (or Athletics?) check. I’d say a wish spell could unlock it. Maybe even the Knock spell, since although it isn’t a lock, the spell says it “unstucks” things I believe.

@cryw1092

3 жыл бұрын

@@Graxil Honestly, he could have just ruled that the dragon weighs more than 8000 lbs. I mean, that's just 4 tons, so a dragon at a decent size could probably move it without issue.

@bigmanbarry2299

3 жыл бұрын

@@cryw1092 the density is the real problem. Imagine a small rod that required 10lbs of sustained force to move in your stomach.

@cryw1092

3 жыл бұрын

@@bigmanbarry2299 Fair enough. Organs begone!

@hbleblanc205

3 жыл бұрын

* bard songs intensifies *

"No adventure survives contact with the players". - A wise DM.

One amazing skill to have as a DM is being able to pretend you're prepared for your players bs. I occasionally give them the satisfaction of visibly bamboozling me tho just for moral.

@AmberMetallicScorpion

Жыл бұрын

This is unironically true. Last week I had some players that I thought were just gonna go straight to the first area but instead they started by going into the town to enquire about things, and visit the shop. So I had to create multiple maps while the players were talking amongst themselves and I was able to pass it off as though I had those maps already but conveniently forgot to add the character tokens

"Create Water" sucks, I want to cast "Create G-fuel"

@KissedByFire16

3 жыл бұрын

Well sure if you want to break the game

@BigBossTussBall

3 жыл бұрын

Decanter of Endless Gfuel

@tanith117

3 жыл бұрын

@@KissedByFire16 Alchemy jug with G Fuel as a substance.Maybe replace the Mayonnaise with it.

@GodofChaos45

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry bud. That's a 10th level spell.

@BigDickWizard6969

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, same.

"I mean, he was stuck in his mouth. What's a tricky situation to you?" Does a player's sleep deprived, level 20 wizard father going crazy count as a tricky situation?

@CleopatraKing

3 жыл бұрын

fuckimg *Folded*

@TheDangerNoodle

3 жыл бұрын

XD

@gorg6151

3 жыл бұрын

That poor bed

@NintendoNerd7824

3 жыл бұрын

i would like but i can't in good consience becuase of like number

@TheDangerNoodle

3 жыл бұрын

Better scrambleblike an egg for you get folded like an omelet.

dragon: *exists* dude: *attacks with a whole fortress*

@DisKorruptd

2 жыл бұрын

Great, the dragon is dead... Dex save to avoid being crushed by your own fortress

This is literally how these items were meant to be used.

@roberttheguy4974

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah why would the bag of holding detail how much air is in the bag if it no one was ever supposed to go in the bag

@jambothejoyful2966

3 жыл бұрын

@@roberttheguy4974 wait where does it say that?

@thestoopidiot870

2 жыл бұрын

@@jambothejoyful2966 "Breathing creatures inside the bag can survive up to a number of minutes equal to 10 divided by the number of creatures (minimum 1 minute), after which time they begin to suffocate."

@skell6134

2 жыл бұрын

@@jambothejoyful2966 And all of that is actually official description of Bag of holding from wiki tho . ,.

@goldenharl6152

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe not the Daern's instant fortress one, I think that's designed to be a fortress, not a pile of rubble from crashing into a massive red dragon, but otherwise yeah. I mean, if I'm the dm, I would use everything within reason for the creatures power to get out of it, just like, you know, the creature probably would. As for the fortress, I'd probably rule that it can only be activated if placed on the ground, but if you time it right, you could still probably smack a dragon with it, if you're willing to severely damage the fortress from ramming into a several ton creature.

I definitely support using magic items that aren’t just “you have 5 fireballs stored up in this wand yay” mostly because my players are creative and I know they can do it

@TheBayzent

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, I once banished the final boss to the abyss in my turn. But the DM handled it pretty well using the opportunity to buff it for a new encounter in another campaign. I was so proud (I taught the DM to DM)

@brandonhowell5096

3 жыл бұрын

I like when players us magic items like that, however I do home-brew that "living" creatures are not allowed to enter a bag of holding mainly because I had a player who was a rouge who played every encounter from inside one the whole game and it got really annoying after a while.

@zanenevada7327

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandonhowell5096 my dm says that the mouth of the bag of holding is only big enough for regular sized weapons with a few exceptions not to metion that there is no air so people would die due to lack of air

@brandonhowell5096

3 жыл бұрын

@@zanenevada7327 I guess it comes down to how the dm feels then since I was never one to limit what could go in there up until that game.

@cubancavalier3051

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandonhowell5096 yeah I’ve let people sit in the bag but I got rid of the 10min of air in favor of a constitution check to hold their breath. It gives advantage to people who put more stock in their con stat which I personally think is underused. I’ve also run into problems with players looking at Reddit to make a bag of holding cannon which I informed them would cost them their hand that they stick in the bag to summon the materials and then they decided it wasn’t worth it haha

2:31 when Ferb Speaks at the end of the episode

@WellManNerd

3 жыл бұрын

delightful perspective ^_^

I remember finding a magical item that found magical items... It became our downfall.

Tip for all DMs out there, Immovable rods are tiny things to Dragons and simiarly large creatures, just tell the players to roll 8d6 of damage as you describe a hole being ripped when the creature moves

@Noobie2k7

Жыл бұрын

It likely wouldn't even do that much damage. An immovable rod is about the size of a crossbow bolt, depending on the size of the dragon it likely wouldn't even hurt all thay much just letting the rod rip through it.

"I'm going to wild shape into a fish, put everyone into a bag of holding, and find an exit" The amount of creativity there, if I had players do that as a GM, would be rewarded so hard. Shit, I'd give the fucker inspiration just because of how *good* that was.

@Yes-hd5ku

3 жыл бұрын

I like your DMing style

@RoraighPrice

3 жыл бұрын

i could see how as a dm that could get annoying fast if your players did nothing BUT cheese encounters. if you repeatedly had large plot beads that you spent days developing and planned to take hours to finish swept away in 5 minutes how exhausting that would be trying to keep laying out stuff for the players to do when they keep bypassing large parts of it.

@matthewcarroll2533

3 жыл бұрын

@@RoraighPrice That's legit every session. Improvisation is a DM's best skill to know.

@4-0h-44

3 жыл бұрын

only issue with the bag of holding thing is it's a 3x3 area so realistically only one creature could fit in and he would be rather packed in. portable hole, on the other hand, would work perfectly for this scenario

@spacerbreaker

3 жыл бұрын

@@4-0h-44 I thought it was an infinite space in another plane but can only hold up to 500LBs

I must have abused a magic item to get here this early.

@squidsrus2343

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@lasttarrasque6223

3 жыл бұрын

You creatively use them not abused

@squidsrus2343

3 жыл бұрын

@Emiliano Carrillo I kinda of see the similarities, but I'm sure that @Confused Person is not that desperate

@vincentfrick6880

3 жыл бұрын

I have no idea what you mean. If it was not meant to be used why give us a subscribe button and a bell?

@chaflem6333

3 жыл бұрын

Wtf how?

As a DM, my initial reaction would be being upset, but I would give in and have fun because I respect cleverness over “following what I had planned”

@adonutlol1697

3 жыл бұрын

This is why I just write “battle” in my scripts when I’m dm, I don’t plan anything specific, I make stuff up with rolls or whatever my players do.

@chaoticdetectivepeach

Жыл бұрын

​@@adonutlol1697As an extension of this, I don't even do scripts, I have a very sparse road map of a few maybe plot points, over the course of the whole campaign and everything else is improvised. And at the end of every session I always provide 3 possible options for places for the story to go, but ultimately leave it up to the players, because if they wanna do a session of just fuckin helping an old lady run a B&B like that's what they wanna do

Imagine being the guy just watching his buddy yell at himself across the table.

If you've never thrown a Daern's Instant Fortress down a monster's throat, you don't know how to use magic items ; )

@rhuziel5531

3 жыл бұрын

what about spawning one in the stomach of a Terrasque

@ShiroNekoDen

3 жыл бұрын

I threw it on a hydra once lol

@pv1612

3 жыл бұрын

Probably wouldn’t work

@AzraelThanatos

3 жыл бұрын

I remember the feather tokens being used in much the same way in 3.5...though often it being used inside a monster or other ways to deal with things. I'd actually used that myself at one point when the DM had an arena event...which was his excuse for having the party face off with a half-black dragon war troll that had who knows what else tacked onto it

@Blayze

3 жыл бұрын

I once pissed off the D&D subreddit by asking if I could use Create or Destroy Water to drown someone by conjuring the water inside their throat.

I think you mean "using magic items as intended". Using items like that is how you survived in Gygax and Arneson campaigns.

@leviangel97

3 жыл бұрын

The end blip agrees

@ShiroNekoDen

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but d &d now days is just for casuals, they tried it with tomb of horrors but failed to remember it's supposed to be difficult and nerfed it

@feilkate5892

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShiroNekoDen Instakill≠balanced

@voidstrider801

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShiroNekoDen Not everyone is a hateful masochist who enjoys CBT in everything they play. Dark Souls Syndrome or Gygax Syndrome is what this should be referred to as.

@curnott6051

3 жыл бұрын

@@feilkate5892 To be fair, Tomb of Horror's isn't supposed to be "balanced". It's supposed to be an unfair death trap that grinds up and spits out even the strongest of PC's if they're not super careful or creative. In any other instance, I'd agree with you, but the Tomb of Horror's was literally made by Gary Gygax to be as cruel and unfair as possible in the very essence for AD&D bullshit. The Tomb of Horror's shouldn't be one of those things you look to play all the time, but it should be one of those things everyone says "You gotta try at least once", simply because it is, at least now-a-days, a fairly unique experience you don't get to often, something that you might not enjoy in the moment, but you'll look back semi-fondly and be glad you did, a feeling which the 5e Tomb of Horror's doesn't really have.

My dad was the master of exploits in his old campaigns. One of his favorites was when he used Tenser's floating disk to drop lots of items - more specifically Greek fire - on unsuspecting enemies to instantly do tons of damage. It's so simply yet so effective.

@thomasfplm

2 жыл бұрын

In my party we built a wheel-less fortified carriage that I lifted with the disc and we used as a traveling method.

@alexmiller1800

Жыл бұрын

Another cool thing I’ve considered is using Rope Trick as a diversion. Fill up the extradimensional space with loud, heavy items like weapons or loose armor pieces. Then walk away. Wait the hour until the spell ends or end it early. Everything you bring into the Extradimesional space is then ejected at the point you created the portal to the space, so several hundred pounds of heavy metal armor and weapons fall from 60ft and make a huge racket and draw away all the guards.

@almitrahopkins1873

Жыл бұрын

A Druid with the feats to craft magic items is a very dangerous opponent for any DM’s encounter.

@JarieSuicune

Жыл бұрын

@@almitrahopkins1873 I like allowing all my players crafting options for their characters. That's why I got Witch+Craft (by Astrolago Press), for the much more interesting crafting system they use! So far, they've had a fair bit of fun using this crafting system, though they haven't yet attempted any magic items.

We've decapitated an enemy with the bag of holding, so there's that.

@tears_of_asariel3198

3 жыл бұрын

you dont even need a bag of holding.. just find/make a box, cut a hole in the bottom, then cut it in 1/2.. slap both sides of the box on somethings head, then cast mend on it

@Tinmann_77

2 жыл бұрын

@@tears_of_asariel3198 it wouldn't fill the hole, it would just mend the two sides together.

Imagine getting mad that you got outsmarted by your players

@some_goomba

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, I’d probably be mad too.

@jirobuster976

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely got mad, but also was like: "I'm proud of you but I hate it"

@OverlordZephyros

3 жыл бұрын

My DM who likes epic situations would probably love these moments

@ZerrickkMTG

3 жыл бұрын

Tbf. Two of my old dms have been furious and tried to homebrew rules and make the items useless.

@ServantofBaal

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine being so petty that you take offense at players creating innovative ways to dispatch incredibly powerful opponents rather than congratulating them on a job well done...

"wait, my players are using the things i gave to them to win the game that i want them to win?!?! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"

@zetram01

3 жыл бұрын

"win" the game...

@boxofgreed

3 жыл бұрын

HARK! The call of the mighty octopus!

@finchwaddledog5026

3 жыл бұрын

Who says my entire railroad was to make this easy on you? Who told you these tracks stop where your victory begins?! NAY! You are fools. I AM the BBEG.

"Using magic items in a stupid way." aka, clever and unexpected way. I'm currently helping breeze through a dungeon crawler game in pathfinder because i have a phantom that can turn incorporeal and just bypass like half the shit we want to bypass, or just look into the mechanisms of traps.

@Yawyna124

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not huge on considering "make big thing swallow immovable rod" or "install secret hazards along routes to make suggestion spells dangerous" particularly unexpected at this point, nor necessarily clever due to how engrained they are in the memetic of D&D.

@boianko

3 жыл бұрын

@@Yawyna124 The immovable rod swallowing at least has risk involved (you need to get inside the belly of the monster and push the button), with the fortress it really is just super cheap to have a spammable instakill projectile. It's not clever, it's cheesy.

@DisKorruptd

2 жыл бұрын

@@boianko I'd make the player use Int/Wis for timing the power word, depending on creature size, and depending on location, you can even make the player roll Dex to not get crushed by their own fortress... if you really feel it's necessary, you can even put a Str/Dex for the throw prior to the timing roll

This, a thousand times this. As a DM I LOVE it when the players at my tables have their characters find creative and innovative ways to beat a dungeon. I also like a hard fought combat, but if my players are capable of figuring a new and innovative way to go at the game, I thoroughly enjoy hearing their ideas. I had a bard at one of my tables that beat the BBEG of a rather low level campaign simply by convincing him that their actions were wrong and to be what they always wanted to be. Needless to say a persuasion check was needed, but 2 weeks later the BBEG became the town's new alchemist and a couple months later discovered a cure to the Lycanthropy that plagued the lands, and at an affordable cost. I rather enjoyed that more than simply hacking and slashing. Of course the players received all of the loot they normally would have, they did clear the encounter, and they were given the same XP as would have been provided for beating the guy.

"I throw my Daern's Instant Fortress at him and say the command word." Thank you, Spencer.

@MaverickMyth

3 жыл бұрын

Never had an instant fortress, but I onced killed an enemy with my foldable boat in pretty much the exact same way 😅

@cristiaolson7327

2 жыл бұрын

@@MaverickMyth I did that once too. Having been that player, I think very hard about the magic items I give my players. I do want them to be creative; I just don't necessarily want them to throw boats or small buildings to murderate all the enemies.

@MaverickMyth

2 жыл бұрын

@@cristiaolson7327 Murderate 😂

@BarrakDraconis

2 жыл бұрын

I had a player do this... while in the sewer tunnels under a large city. Many surface-level shops abruptly became 3rd-story penthouses, before dropping to sub-basement level.

@seigeengine

2 жыл бұрын

@@cristiaolson7327 I think a key trick is A) knowing the rules (instant fortress can't be used that way), and B) "Okay, but..." For example, a foldable boat might be used in this way to crush someone, but.... maybe the boat/magic item gets damaged in the process from suddenly dropping a good distance onto something solid. I'd probably be lenient the first time they did it, and err on the boat remaining intact, but after that...

"Fine, just keep using magic items in a stupid way that breaks the game." Me: *Glances at my Wand of Smiles*

@Technotoadnotafrog

3 жыл бұрын

Wand: glances back Wand: 🙂

@TAGfrost

3 жыл бұрын

Jester vs the Orc is my Favorite Usage of that Wand.

@KingNedya

3 жыл бұрын

@@TAGfrost I've never watch Critical Roll, so I am unfamiliar with that.

@mathybrain8

3 жыл бұрын

I'll just assume you use it to prevent enemy spellcasters from using spells with verbal components.

@KingNedya

3 жыл бұрын

@@mathybrain8 Well unfortunately, the campaign I had it in was abandoned before I ever got a chance to use it. But, I did preemptively come up with a list of ways I could make it useful to a somewhat overpowered degree if the time ever arose (mostly because my DM explicitly told me that she had no idea how I could use it in a useful manner, whereas some of the other party members received very obviously useful magic items ; most notably, one player got both a Grey Bag of Tricks and an Ebony Fly, which were both used to a great degree, albeit extraordinarily irresponsibly). But interrupting verbal spells was actually not on that list, surprisingly. I don't know how I didn't think of that. I actually sent the list to my DM when I came up with it in Discord, so I could see what I had on there, because I don't remember all of it. I mainly remember that one of them involved another powerful exploit I had come up with.

I love it, the best line. “I think I’d rather be angry just out of spite.”

Broke: getting pissy that players "ruined" the encounter you set up Woke: being proud of and congratulating your players for finding unique and creative solutions to the problems you set before them

@Yawyna124

3 жыл бұрын

You can also be a creative DM and, depending on the creature, have it work its way out of that problem, or, you know, guts squeeze against the button and turn it off as the creature attempts to swallow or regurgitate whatever is causing it pain in the current position. Also, making something swallow an immovable rod is neither unique nor creative at this point, unless you're a rare person who hasn't heard of that trick which is widespread in the memetic of D&D, in which case it is creative but not unique because it's just as widespread as casting fireball or installing unseen hazards to make suggestion spells dangerous, to the point that suggesting someone do anything but take a surprise dangerous route is more unique than otherwise.

@jambothejoyful2966

3 жыл бұрын

Totally unrelated, woke is usually associated with being irritable and pissy lol

@stakefr0mjatefarmvods534

2 жыл бұрын

None of the solutions offered in this video are creative or unique.

@Tinmann_77

2 жыл бұрын

@@stakefr0mjatefarmvods534 which just makes the "dm" even less creative for not having thought of common place uses for the items he gave out

@Riflery

Жыл бұрын

"and then reusing it in another campaign until someone does it the way you intended"

If magic wasn't ment to be abused it wouldn't mess with reality its like saying you can't bully a bully

The DM gave me some paper birds once, meant to be used to keep in touch with an NPC. One of the party members got kidnapped to another plane and we followed, to a maze like place with lots of paths. So I used a paper bird and sent a message to the kidnapped party member and it showed us the right path.

@MusicPigeon

3 жыл бұрын

Wow! Nice!

This week I had a fun idea: I played an entire campaign where the party was tracking down a rogue with tons of magic items. They first thought of him as a sorcerer cause of a fireball he detonated, but then slowly figured out his tricks and it was so fun! Plus, I made an actual character sheet for him to make sure I never broke any rule with attunement and stuff!

My best use of a magic weapon is what our party dubbed "the burlap sack of holding" where I cast enlarge on the bag and then the stronger party members force the enemies in the bag, where we could then attack them from a distance, or seal the bag shut one way or another and wait for them to suffocate.

Isn’t that he point of D&D to be creative tho...

@BigDickWizard6969

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. It is all about being creative with the things you have at your disposal. And also Fireball.

@TheBayzent

3 жыл бұрын

It is. Jacob is obviously mocking the DMs who get pissy for players playing the game right.

@nadirwoodson9321

3 жыл бұрын

yes just not that creative

@juannessabal-limos9311

3 жыл бұрын

shhh...

@maker0824

3 жыл бұрын

That’s the point

players creatively doing things: DM: "StOp ThAtS iLlEg...aL.... uh.. crap."

@JormungandrGaming

3 жыл бұрын

I wish that was less common that it is. I'm currently playing a campaign with a DM who changed my Divine Smite Damage type to Necrotic from Radiant in a campaign mostly filled with Undead and Fiends, due to my pact with Orcus, the caveat was that I was allowed to take a homebrew feat that let me treat Necrotic immunity as resistance and ignore necrotic resistance. He then, also, let me multi-class into UA Undead Warlock, but never realized how much sheer Necrotic damage I could put out. Now he arbitrarily decides when the feat works. Basically, if my attack was crit, my feat suddenly doesn't work.

@Michael-fd1gx

3 жыл бұрын

@@JormungandrGaming That is a bad DM.

@jelte3754

3 жыл бұрын

@@JormungandrGaming I mean, paladin crits are an insane damage pump. It's not like it can miss or your friends can get caught in the blast. No other class can single target-nuke like the paladin at medium levels. Hold Person became the go-to spell in my party for that reason. I've asked if we could nerf it, but my players didn't want to.. So we didn't. Honestly, you still deserve to stick with radiant. It's how the class is written. Your DM could have banned the class but that is something else entirely.

@JormungandrGaming

3 жыл бұрын

@@jelte3754 The problem isn't that the Paladin Crits miss, it's that the Undead subclass let's me change the base damage type to Necrotic and add an additional damage die to the roll, and then add smite. Basically, if I crit with a longsword I can do 4d10 Necrotic + about 6D8 Necrotic Damage from the smite. Even if the target is immune to Necrotic Damage, I can treat it as resistance and still do about half of the resulting damage roll, due to the homebrew feat. The problem is that he will arbitrarily decide which creatures are affected by my feat and which aren't, so sometimes the entire hit is completely wasted because the target will retain its immunity. However, the next monster over who has the same stat-block as the one I hit, won't retain its immunity when I hit. I always write it off as DMs ruling is set in stone, but he makes it painfully clear that he is making the monsters' stat blocks up as the encounters progress.

@celestialtree8602

3 жыл бұрын

@@JormungandrGaming I mean it's not even making the statblocks up as the encounters progress that's the issue; I do that all the time. Inconsistency is just bad in every case, and that sounds horribly inconsistent.

2:58 Hey, at least he's honest.

I absolutely LOVE how the players thought their way around each problem in ingenious ways with the stuff they had on them!!!! That’s so awesome!!!! As a DM of two groups I love this behavior!!!!

I completely agree with non Jacob at the end

@SylvanSon

3 жыл бұрын

Non Jacob was my favourite character

@tepigisawesome

3 жыл бұрын

@@SylvanSon I definitely liked Non Jacob. But Jacob was good too using his magic items in a smart way. I wasn't too big on Jacob though

2:47 don't think you can hide that editing cut from me! My Passive perception is too damn high

@sirken2

3 жыл бұрын

yes the multiple edits

This DM just has his heart set on a fuckin party wipe. That first method with the rod would've been so fucking cool

"I think id rather be angry, just out of spite" please stop summing up my life in single sentences :^)

That sponsor ad was smooth

"I'd rather be angry just out of spite." Idk why but this hit home for me... Am I a bad dm? Lol

@thekenyonsquad5672

3 жыл бұрын

we all make situations that we want to be an epic battle or an escape scene with lots of tension and it's natural to feel angry when a player does one thing that solves the entire issue in a matter-of-fact non-dramatic way. it doesn't make you a bad DM.

@hugofontes5708

3 жыл бұрын

Only if you are a jerk to your players because you are angry. Otherwise, maybe review your players sheets once in a while?

@WellManNerd

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Yes, you are. :P

@murkyhydra6351

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like it

@skullsquad900

3 жыл бұрын

When I notice I'm angry at my players for utilizing their abilities and items creatively, I now I've succeeded as a DM!

When he said the goldfish solution, I was like “damn you that would work”. I love/hate/love players that are creative like this with their items: I’ll allow most of the stuff

“You know what? I think I’d rather be angry just out of spite.” -every DM when a player does something out of line with the campaign

DM: *Carefully introduces magic items, thinking them through and anticipating how the players might use them, to create the best possible balance of fun and utility* Artificer: Well hello...

DM: "you can only survive 10 minutes inside the bag of holding before running out of air to breathe" Me, a lizardfolk barbarian with 20 con: you mean.... 31 minutes :)

@zaifir8119

3 жыл бұрын

Me, a Warforged: No

@goncalocarneiro3043

3 жыл бұрын

As they say... The Bag will always have 10 minutes of air if you just hold your breath the whole time.

@ANDELE3025

3 жыл бұрын

Technically the 15+conmod extra minutes every time you breathe in and out, so much more.

@matthewlane

3 жыл бұрын

Me, the guy with the bottle of air: "Free air for everyone!"

@themagescorner

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't there a limit on size of things to enter bag of holding?

"You know what, i'd rather stay angry just out of spite" lmfao totally not expecting that

Once a player of mine stuck the lips of a lich with unsolvable glue so he couldn't cast spells

I lost it at “the dragon’s TWIN BROTHER swoops down” lol

me:*sees thumbnail* Spencer -_-

DM: Uses variant encumberance to stop players from hoarding Also DM: Gives party bag of holding at level 2

in my first campaign ever, i joined right before a big boss battle against a dragon. we were all level three and fours. two main badguys were sitting on his neck, with a baseball sized pearl controlling the beast. battle starts. we win initiative. the dwarf says: i through my axe at the pearl (that's 75 meters away). rolls 20. big blast, everyone dies, next session we find out that we were teleported 450 years to the past by a lesser god.

Something to consider: How big is the opening to the player's bag of holding - what person could possibly fit through a satchel opening save for a halfling-sized person

@Tinmann_77

2 жыл бұрын

Plot twist, the party is entirely mad e up of haflings and gnomes except for the wild shifter with the bag of holding.

@m0rtez713

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, halflings might generally have the same or larger diameter as humans when you think about it... A flat chested (elven) female would have the best chance. The bard would also probably fit. When we include the more exotic races, Goblins and Kobolds especially should have no problem. Tabaxi are cats and cats were scientifically proven to be liquid.

@williamnixon3994

2 жыл бұрын

The bag opens up to roughly 2 feet in width at the mouth. Manhole covers are a little bit smaller than that If you can reasonably argue you can squeeze through a manhole cover, you can climb into the bag

@m0rtez713

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamnixon3994 Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

@williamnixon3994

2 жыл бұрын

@@m0rtez713 Look up "Break D&D with the Bag of holding!" by Throb-Goblin, he explains it, and even gave me a couple of ideas not shown in the video on how to use/abuse Bags of Holding as an Artificer

Great stuff guys!!! My players used the immovable rod in a creative way too. An aspect of Tiamat appeared through a portal, two of the players ended up misty stepping onto her back and put the immovable rod between her wing muscles. I loved how creative they were with it so I went ahead and ruled she couldn’t take off without ripping the rod into her even more deeply. But she still has legendary actions which was also neutered because the monk that was on her back has evasion at those levels. Her breath weapons never hit him. They did, however, hit another player who didn’t have evasion and almost died.

I'm glad you had that ending, the whole time I was thinking this should jsut be titals "when DM's have a tantrum" otherwise. This comes from a DM who loves it when my players do something cool.

"I'd rather be angry, just out of spite."

Cough, iron bands of binding, and metamagic adept to quicken Heat metal as a bonus action... just saying

@CleopatraKing

3 жыл бұрын

It takes one minutes to doff plate armor soo *Cook and Book* Edit: got doff time wrong

@BrenTenkage

3 жыл бұрын

its called heat metal...not detect peircings

Jacob arguing with himself with an onlooker is amazing

Not a magic item, but a weird use for a magic spell happened back when I played 3.0. The group was surrounded by about 20 guards on the third story of a wooden building, so our Dwarven cleric cast Righteous Might. The subsequent weight increase destroyed the floor and everybody fell two stories, killing the guards. The party was hurt, but survived.

Pretty sure you would use the rules for cutting your way out of a stomach for the immovable rod, which according to creatures that can swallow whole, isn't particularly lethal. Though assuming of course that they're still holding onto the rod when said rupture occurs, they could be pulled free by it's movement.

I accidentally watched this at 1.5 speed and I fully support doing that.

@rileydurrer2497

3 жыл бұрын

Haha

@Jam_Squared

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@malthungaming3466

3 жыл бұрын

Actually did this . . . totally worth it.

@ramblingrook1438

3 жыл бұрын

Totally worth it

@mr.potato2223

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for showing the world this beauty

I get overjoyed when my players find really creative ways to get out of the trouble I get them into. This is why hero points exist. Also, insta fortress was one of my first "ace in the hole" items since I was playing a charismatic rogue and needed a way to keep up with the tanks we were facing.

Dunno about magic items but I got a cool exploit: Combining reversible spells. Example: You cast flesh to stone on a creature, then you cast rock to mud. Then wait for however long you want for gravity to take its toll on the literal mud-statue or maybe draw on it with your finger or twist its hands around or whatever your fiendish heart desires and then cast mud to rock and finally stone to flesh. If however you get a DM who wants to use semantics against you by saying something like "Uhhh well akshually, the spell isn't called rock to flesh, it's stone to flesh so it wouldn't work", then simply let him find his own ride home.

That’s why I home brewed a magic tent. It’s like a bag of holding, a little bigger, you can sleep in it, but it takes over a minute to set up enough to open

"I didn't care to think about the items I gave you or your characters' abilities when building my encounters. This is your fault!" ~The DM who probably shouldn't be.

@slb797

3 жыл бұрын

U do realize there r different lvls of gms, including the 1s forced to be because no one else stepped up? And when ur trying to move the story along, u cannot remember every single detail. If u wish to comment on gms, please be a gm 1st or remember the early days of gming

@connordarvall8482

3 жыл бұрын

@@slb797 Is it really too hard to write down magic items the players found?

@Quandry1

3 жыл бұрын

All of the items used in this video lose all of their instant win potential through various means if the item description is looked at. Many of which are in details about the items that they did not list as part of this video. Almost like this stuff has been tried many times in the past nd DM's have thought of ways around it.

@Quandry1

3 жыл бұрын

@WhiteTowerGuard the immovable rod? you can go through all kinds of threads here and find all kinds of ways. It's a button press so it's possible it could end up pressed when the dragon is thrashing or moving around to get itself free. The dragon with it's strength could rip itself free since the Strength check is only for removing the rod not for the dragon ripping itself free. You could have the dragon heal once it's free. Or flee the battle wounded depending on the setup. You could have it lash out or seriously harm the person in it's mouth though Dragon's don't usually swallow enemies in D&D. it's more a chomp them up and spit them out kind of thing (bite attack). You could even rule that all it's done has limited the dragon's movement. A dragon can do a heck of a lot of damage without moving a single square because of hteir size and damage capabilities. And being stuck in that particular square doesn't mean it can't turn around should you try shenanigans like get behind it. Also besides healing itself if the dragon has spell casting ability it could use powers such as misty step or other teleportation spells to free itself because that is not moving the rod. Also. Magic items can suffer from issues like begin disenchanted or broken though that's not heavily represented in 5e for the disenchantment side and breaking them is usually only found in specific item descriptions. This is something that the Vox Machina Group actually tried on a chromatic dragon that was going to retreat to it's layer in the first campaign and Matt chose to have it simply do a few d6 worth of damage after the dragon made a certain DC strength check (it was like 20 or 25 i think) and then it flew off.

I mean, with the immovable rod in it's throat, couldn't it just move back around it, so that it effectively unswallows the rod? In the meantime, possibly crushing the impertinent mortal that dared try to kill it so easily

Side note... my favorite trap I ever planted as a GM... dungeon corridor, kobold jumps out (ambush round) throws his spear, manages, between surprise and initiative to get back around the corner before the PCs can respond, so they run down to the corner. They get their just in time to see the kobold run through what is obviously an illusionary wall (good useful spell- L4, permanent until dispelled). They sprint down the wall discover that well, the bottom half of the wall is pure illusion the top half is very much a real stone wall. I don't remember what rule I used for damage but a couple of them were knocked out. The kobolds had a chance to throw some more spears and basically they could throw their spears and run away and the players wouldn't break into hot pursuit. They were paranoid the rest of the dungeon.

I have another one for you. Just about every time there are monsters on the other side of a door with any visible cracks that I can see through (like a speakeasy or a barred gate), I cast summon lessor or greater demon on the other side. The DM looks up what gets summoned, compares it to what he had planned on the other side (usually of a lower CR), and says "huh. Well everything on the other side of the door dies."

Nah man ive played and am playing in a game where my character would be dead or the whole party would be dead if we didnt use magic items creatively

One mistake: Daern's Instant Fortress must be on the ground to be activated. Probably just so that you can't chuck it at a boss for 10d10 damage

@if7723

3 жыл бұрын

What defines ground in this instance and how big a piece of dirt do you need to throw with it?

@Khaons

3 жыл бұрын

@@if7723 What defines ground? Common sense and the GM.

@Khaons

3 жыл бұрын

I would let then throw it, but the Item would be permanently destroyed in the process. Without properly setting it's foundation on the ground, what was supposed to be a tower just becomes a bunch of building materials that goes flying straight to the dragon, or maybe it's like a grenade, it goes flying everywhere.

@if7723

3 жыл бұрын

@@Khaons That's a good built in consequence. I can't imagine too many towers that will come out of that intact.

@Khaons

3 жыл бұрын

@@if7723 that's right RPG is all about choices and it's consequences, without it the game's not the same

The only reason in our games something like this could be annoying, is if you try to use an item like this with low INT. We're very into stats factoring in to what we WOULD/COULD do in character.

Reminds me when a player took a Bag of Holding and escaped inevitable TPK from the classic "rock falls everyone dies" situation. Player opened the bag of holding and let everyone inside before casting Misty Leap (better Misty Step) to tp out of the hole they were in.

the "Then Perish" look at the end, excellent

I've done this, and my DM wasn't mad. He was more disappointed in himself that he didn't account for the fact I'd actually _use_ the shit he gave me lmao

One of my players did this with the folding boat ship command word to crush a skeleton knight I had made, ludicrous amounts of damage but it was cool. Honestly love when my players use a cool way to use a magic item.

This reminds me of how I've recently been given an instant fortress item and my first thought with it is how it can be used in combat. If we're in an area that's open enough we could either use the fortress to hide behind 3/4 cover while blasting the enemies with ranged attacks. Or if the enemy doesn't have any siege weapons or magic, then they wouldn't be able to enter, thus meaning the party could take a short/long rest in it to become more efficient. In this regard it works much like leominds tiny hut, but arguably much better. The only real downside is that if the enemy does have a way to damage the fortress then only the wish spell can repair damages

"I think I'd rather be angry, just out of spite." If you aren't, are you really a DM?

Me: *clicks new upload* Like 7 other people: FFFIIIIRRSSSTTT!!!!!!!

My favorite thing to do is to take “harmless/boring” items and try to make them useful. It’s so much fun. My favorite character to play by far was a “klepto rogue” who only stole common items like cutlery, bottles, and bedsheets. When facing against a large monster, instead of attacking I would cover its eyes with the bedsheet, or distract it by smashing bottles right behind it. We fought a black ooze and we were able to trap some of it in a glass bottle, where we were then able to use it on a cage later on. Who needs magic items when you’ve got a random assortment of bullshit

On the subject of the instant fortress, the fortress extends from the door, located on the piece. But if they throw it, they can't decide which side the doors on, so it can easily backfire

Do not give me power if you do not intend for me to wield it.

I agree with usage like this when I am dm cause it creates more memorable moments

reminds me of a post i read about this one guy having a ring of dispelling and would dispell any magic within a few inches of it. So he askes the Wizard to shrink down some cannon balls, and fixes the ring at the end of his flint-lock pistol. So when the cannon balls fly through it they become normal size. Effectually making his pistol a easy portal cannon

Oh man, my party escaped from SO MANY SITUATIONS by putting everyone in Bag of Holding and using Dimension Door...