Which of these canceled ships would you like most to have seen built?

@mrsaturngamingandstories

2 жыл бұрын

The oceanic 3

@Loucap_

2 жыл бұрын

The RMMV Oceanic III and the RMS Olympic (planned Oceanic II sistership)

@YellowStarLine

2 жыл бұрын

I think everyone has Oceanic III on their list, no matter if it's at the top or bottom, but I have Oceanic at the top

@chrischeezy7316

2 жыл бұрын

All of them

@IhaveQuit124

2 жыл бұрын

The RMMV Oceanic III. I would love the history it would make

I like how all of these cancelled ships found life in other ways. Gigantic became Oceanic II, Olympic's name became a name for a ship that had a class of her own, Gigantic wasnt even a ship and was just a rumoured alternate name for Britannic, Ceric became the Belgenland, Germanic became the Homeric and the Laurentic II, and the Oceanic III became the Georgic and the Britannic III.

@Loucap_

2 жыл бұрын

Georgic II* they had the first Georgic as a cargo liner to remplace the Lost Naronic.

@AndyHappyGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Loucap_ ok

@volpixrossi3589

Жыл бұрын

Oceanic became the Georgic. Britannic was already far under construction by the time Oceanic was canceled

@AndyHappyGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@volpixrossi3589 ok

@randombelugaman

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyHappyGuy you know i wish ceric was build

From what I remember researching that possible four stacker plan was suppose to be named the "Ceric" and then it was changed to Oceanic, however due to modernization, this plan was scrapped. This plan also surprisingly resembles the profile plans for an unbuilt four stacker liner for the Canadian Pacific line. they surprisingly look nearly identical despite being drawn up a decade apart from each other.

@xxx_mlghaxxor360_xxx9

2 жыл бұрын

Any clue as to where I can find the plans for the “Canadian Pacific” liner? Sounds real interesting.

Very interesting the exposition of the issue about the Gigantic/Britannic that I mentioned in the video about the hospital ships. Thanks for exposing this fact!

What interests me about the name "Gigantic" is that it fits into the following scheme: the "Olympic" is for the gods (who lived on Mount Olympus), the "Titanic" for the titans, and the "Gigantic" would then be for the giants - in other words, these names cover the three superhuman species in ancient Greek mythology. Clearly, educated people of the time were immersed in Greek and Roman mythology - they would all have learned Classical Greek and Latin at school. I wonder whether you have any more information about this?

@AndyHappyGuy

2 жыл бұрын

No. Bruh tonic

@Kaidhicksii

2 жыл бұрын

It would've made sense if White Star went with that name; however, since the evidence points to her name being always intended to be Britannic, my assumption is they went the route of a name symbolizing national pride and the power of the British empire, which would also make sense.

@michaelmacleod7051

2 жыл бұрын

@Astronist I think by now the Gigantic name is unprovable one way or another since there's no records that have survived about the naming scheme from that time. I completely agree with your assessment though, a lot of thought would have gone into naming the lines most ambitious class of ships and picking two related names from antiquity followed by one named for a country just seems incoherent to me. Cunards rivalling trio also had a clear naming structure with Lusitania, Mauretania and Aquitania named for three roman provinces next to each other. What I'm betting that happened is that Cunard as a fully British shipping line had a stronger ties to the UK government who helped fund the Lusitania and Mauretania. Im betting the now American owned White Star Line probably decided to rename the third ship Britannic at some stage as a political gesture to help keep a healthy relationship going with the country. HAPAG did the same thing with the Imperator to cosy up to the German Emperor. 20 years later the Queen Marys construction got bailed out by the UK government during the Great Depression and White Stars Oceanic didn't leading to Cunards eventual absorption of White Star so guess the renaming of the third Olympic ship wasn't enough to make much of a difference in the end.

@Astronist

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmacleod7051 - Sounds good. Maybe there might have been a need for a more national-oriented name in there, too, with the approach of the First World War?

@michaelmacleod7051

2 жыл бұрын

@@Astronist Could definitely see the tensions building in Europe becoming a factor for a more national focused name too around the time of Gigantic/Britannics construction. One other theory I have about the name change is White Star were initially going for three related names from Greek mythology all to do with mythical races known for size and strength, feels like something William Pirrie and Bruce Ismay would have felt fitting when coming up with plans to counter the largest ships in the world, Cunards 35,000 tonne Lusitania and Mauretania with the far larger 45,000 tonne Olympic, Titanic and Gigantic each in turn becoming the largest ships the world had ever seen upon their launches. I wonder if HAPAG in Germany blindsided them a bit though with the Imperator, Vaterland and Bismarck trio coming in at around 55,000 tonnes. Guessing White Star probably only found out about how big HAPAGs chief designer Albert Ballin was going for around 1909. Once White Star realised that the Imperator would hit the water long before the Gigantic would the name wouldn't work nearly as potently as she could never hold the title of being the largest ship in the world. I am pretty confident that in the early planning stages for the Olympic classes the names written down were Olympic, Titanic and Gigantic, they fit perfectly together.

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Take as long as you need. I'm glad to see this video. I like this topic. White Star's history is so fascinating to me; I hadn't heard of many of these, even though I've done plenty of reading!

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I am rather intrigued with plans for both Ceric & Germanic.

On the whole Britannic vs. Gigantic business: It's indeed always useful to consider that the name "Gigantic" was so frequently bandied about in newspapers for several decades prior to 1912 whenever an article was published about a projected big new White Star liner. It was most likely because that name made such appealing copy and helped sell more papers...sort of the clickbait of its time. Upon reviewing all of the (sparse) available literature, fragmentary contemporary news bits and surviving shipyard documents, it would seem likely that Gigantic was initially considered as the name for the third Olympic-Class liner, but the decision to switch to Britannic was already made before the Titanic disaster. That's based on a surviving H&W yard ledger of an order (provided that source is authentic) referring to No. 433 as Gigantic, but that name being crossed out and overwritten with Britannic in early 1912, before Titanic's maiden voyage. This would at least disprove the claim that White Star renamed the third ship of the trio in the wake of Titanic's disaster. The reason most likely was that the first two of the even bigger new HAPAG-trio were by then already under construction, relegating the Olympic Class to secondary size status, thus undermining the impact of the White Star's naming philosophy and rendering the name Gigantic somewhat obsolete. If the competition had not reacted so soon after construction of Olympic began, instead waiting a few more years while evaluating the performance of the Olympic Class before placing orders for their superliners, it seems likely that Olympic, Titanic & Gigantic would indeed have been the names of White Star's trio. That just made the most sense from a naming philosophy point of view.

@michaelmacleod7051

2 жыл бұрын

@Comment Sense Yeah think this is exactly what happened. Imperators arrival denied the third Olympic Class ship the chance to be the largest in the world. White Stars acquisition by IMM as well meant that Cunard had a much closer relationship to the UK government and switching the name to Britannic was a shrewd political move. Had the Titanic and Britannic not sunk and gone on to have long careers I suspect White Stars reputation and financial position leading into the Great Depression would have been a lot better leading to the UK bailing out both the Oceanic and the Queen Mary, possibly leading to no merger and no RMS Queen Elizabeth

Enjoy your vacation! I'll give my thoughts on just a few of them. For the first Gigantic I don't have much to say, except this further validates my theory that Gigantic was little more than a codename used by White Star for some of their upcoming superliners, or just a name that the press really enjoyed throwing around. It does make sense though that this ship is what became the wonderful Oceanic II. For Olympic, I initially asked the question on what would have been if she were built, and if her operating in tandem with Oceanic would have left any reason for the Big Four to be built. However, after hearing that three of those ships were already ordered by White Star, presumably with the fourth being planned, I guess that answers that question and suggests that either nothing would be changed, or at most, only three of what would become the Big Four would be completed. I'll also add that another factor that lead to Olympic's cancellation was the death of Thomas Ismay. For Britannic, or Gigantic, you are 100% right in that she wasn't built as originally intended. However, if you're suggesting she would've been a vastly different ship, then that's not likely. For instance, her width was already planned to be increased before the Titanic disaster, in order to help with stability. Most of the changes made to her were for safety, such as an extra watertight bulkhead, a double hull, and of course the gantry davits. If Titanic never sank, she almost certainly would've looked no different from her sisters, save of course for her enclosed aft well deck and third class deck house. For the final Oceanic, yeah she would've been the ultimate White Star liner, and was also perhaps the most influential liner that was never built. Who knows what would have been if she were, and imo, the only unbuilt ships that come close would be Willy Gibbs' original 1,000-foot design for what would become the United States, and Theodore Ferris' designs for a pair of American superliners, the designs of which would closely mirror that of the Bremen and Europa. It is important to note though that there is no evidence to suggest that her dismantled keel was used to build the Britannic and the Georgic. The former was already under construction beforehand and near ready for launch when Oceanic was cancelled, and while it would make sense that her steel was used to help build Georgic, at the same time, it could have just as easily been recycled or made into a Rolls Royce.

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

i think what he meant by Britannic being a vastly different ship was its intended ocean liner interiors. deck plans, when compared to Olympic and Titanic’s, show incredibly different internal layouts for many portions of the ship, especially the passenger accommodations (B deck being a good example, with two additional promenades, a completely different suite on the starboard side, vastly different cabin and stateroom layouts, the relocated barbershop and additional ladies’ hairdresser, the starkly different aft staircase landing, and the A Lá Carte restaurant expansion replacing the Café Parisian, just to name a few differences. B deck also had an additional mailing desk and telephone booths by the elevators).

@commodorezero

Жыл бұрын

With the Olympics, Gigantic just makes thematic sense cause Olympians, Titans and Giants. There's no documented proof for it but sources did tell the New York times that was the name. Who were those sources? Who knows but it makes sense. WhiteStar also has a history of changing names due to tragedies and outside factors. For example the Oceanic class was supposed to be based on the Collins ships, but all the Collins ships that sank didn't have their names used. Furthermore the Big 4 which was supposed to have the Oceanic names didn't end up using Atlantic because it sank.

@randomuser9883

Жыл бұрын

Yeah britannic was already under construction when oceanic was laid down

belgenland was already obtained by red star line while still building, and she was launched as "belgenland" with antwerp as port of registry, as you can see on that picture, however when WWI broke out and most of Belgium (and antwerp) occupied she was assigned to the white star line as the troop ship "belgic" for the duration of the war, after the war she was completed as a liner and renamed Belgenland, but her port of registry remained Liverpool.

Very well done and very interesting. So much that I did not know!

Oceanic would've been epic

Good to see your face my brother! Enjoy your time off, thanks for the videos! I’m a massive steamship fan and I look forward to every video, your touch is unique and personable! Appreciate the videos

Enjoy your break. Great to see you. !!!

Interesting topic! Good content and editing. Thanks for posting!

Very interesting! I wonder if it was common among shipping lines to have so many planned or considered but never built liners. I may be the odd one out but I'm glad the 1920's Oceanic was never built. I think the ship would have been ugly. Too someone else made the observation that had the Oceanic been built we would never have had the Queen Elizabeth, a far better-looking liner in my opinion.

@Kaidhicksii

2 жыл бұрын

If she were built with a boxy profile, then yes you're right. If she were to end up having curves and a more streamlined design on the other hand (as it sounds was being planned), then no she would've been a looker. XD

@jerrycallender9927

2 жыл бұрын

RMS Queen Elizabeth? I've always thought RMS Queen Elizabeth 2 tied with SS United States for THE best ocean liners ever to sail.

Britanic was the best of her class, by far. If we hadn't lost Titanic, I would say that Britanic would be the one we would all remember today.

@michaelmacleod7051

2 жыл бұрын

@Brent Fairlie Agreed, the three ships would have been much more similar to each other too. Titanic improved on Olympic by enclosing the forward promenade and adding an extra restaurant. Reckon if Titanic had survived the Gigantic or Britannic would have been very similar but probably would have still enclosed the rear well deck and installed the pipe organ as those just seem like incremental improvements and not massive safety changes like gantry davits, different expansion joints and improved compartmentalization

@ErikAnkan73

2 жыл бұрын

Titanic would either be scraped in 1935 as Olympic, or sank at WWI

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Thanks for this video!

I know the original Olympic design was a work of a journalist, but the three funnels and four masts are very interesting.

“Great Passenger Ships That Never Were: Damned By Destiny” by Williams and Kerbrech is a great read on this subject.

Thank you for the video!

I'm sorry, but you are so adorable in your little sweaters lol. anyway. I'd like to see the germanic bc what ended up being made instead looked cool and bigger one of those would be nice to see.

Intresting video on the ships that was never made but planed. wonder if they white star used some of the design elements from the drawings from those ships that never made as fully constructed ships. i like your vidoes. Keep up the good work. ✨✨✨👍👍👍✨✨✨🇸🇪🇸🇪

Did Harland and Wolff have a dry dock large enough at the time for the oceanic 3 to fit in? Which slipway was the keel laid down on as the Arrol gantry would not have been long enough either?

If the RMMV Oceanic 3 would have been completed then the great depression would not have started yet and I think she would serve all the way to the 70s and become a hotel just like queen Mary

@Edward-sq9tt

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not so sure. RMMV Oceanic can just be converted by Cunard in to a Cruise ship after the end of Ocean liners in the 60s or Cunard will just use her as a running mate to QE2 or even Cunard might just sell her.

@mrsaturngamingandstories

2 жыл бұрын

That's right fancy mate

@ralphkerr6809

2 жыл бұрын

one lienr wouldnt destroy a whole depression. people could barely sail at the time.

@mrsaturngamingandstories

2 жыл бұрын

Nope

Hey great quick move nice vids

i want your sweater......lololo...thank you for your sweet video's!!!

Got a Queston: Why were so many White Star ocean liners given names that ended in "IC" and Cunard had a thing for names ending with "IA," although there were a few exceptions with each. I have heard a few different views, but what's your opinion. Love the flag on the wall behind you. Thanks

@scurly0792

2 жыл бұрын

It's called a naming system, most lines had them (e.g. Isle of Man Steam Packet Company had ships named after Manx islands and places (e.g. Mona's Isle, Douglas)

@jetsons101

2 жыл бұрын

@@scurly0792 Thanks.....

@davidwright7193

2 жыл бұрын

Up until the merger with White Star the Cunard liners were all named for Roman provinces hence the “ia” endings. The white star policy was to use adjectives hence “ic” endings it was also good branding as passengers could tell who owned the ship from the name. This is why the rumour that Queen Mary was to be named Victoria is so persistent as Victoria fits with the Cunard standard “ia” ending of a Latin feminine proper noun. However the Queens were named only after the merger and a name that followed neither convention was politic for the lines new flag ships.

Imagine if they had built another olympic class ship, the RMS Enormic.

Wat about the Frantic, Manic, and Spastic?

Gigantic Gigantic a big big boat!

I'm pretty sure you're right HMHS Britannic would've just been named RMS Britannic, either if WW1 never started or if she survived after the war

Any other information on cyric?

3:55: IS it just me or does the look and font on that book remind you of the "Choose your own Adventure" books that existed back in the 80s?

The "was _Britannic_ ever considered to be named _Gigantic?"_ question is a fun one, because the answer seems to be, "Maybe?" Noah Hingley's, who was commissioned to construct the _Olympic_ class anchors, does have a listing that posit hull no.433 as _Gigantic_ (as recovered from the Dudley Archives,) but the surviving H&W documents don't name hull no.433 as anything other than _Britannic._ Winston Churchill, interestingly, was supposed to visit the keel of the _Britannic_ on February 8th, 1912, but the Home Rule Crisis had him send a representative along instead. Said representative reported that the ship was to be called _Gigantic,_ but we don't know who told him that.

"We just had a war with Germany and the public won't approve of us naming our new ship after our enemy. We need a new name for the Germanic, something more.. homely." "I've got it!"

I recommend documenting the RMS Tyrannic

@xhwa6699

Жыл бұрын

not that ugly ass fictional ship

@Hailiqou

8 ай бұрын

RMS Tyrannic is a fictional ship, from a satirical illustration of a parody of the RMS Titanic by Bruce McCall.

We make multiple copies of a ship now a days.

Wasn't there actual White Star Line promotional material with the third ship in the Olympic line literally called Gigantic on the documentation itself? Anyway I would have loved there to be another ship called the Cymric since I'm Welsh and always liked the name for giant ship of it's time such as the Olympic or the Oceanic etc.

thanks for this video. At least you got to talking about CERIC. Eaton and Haas's "Falling Down" is a great resource. CERICS'S dimensions were supposed to be over 1,000 feet. Just like GIGANTIC'S planned dimensions but with a name change. BRITANNIC was merely a replacement for TITANIC and naturally the White Star wanted whatever the third ship was to be called to be bigger. White Star stayed consistent with the 1,000 foot concept whether it was GIGANTIC, CERIC or OCEANIC. Disruptions were caused by the World War and later the lack of funds. I found that many 1911 newspapers exalt OLYMPIC as she was the first of the class. TITANIC is mentioned but many writers gloss past TITANIC and start anticipating GIGANTIC. TITANIC became immortal only after her loss.

I believe that The White Star Line did plan to build a replacement ship for the lost Atlantic in 1873 but never built idk if that's true

@tinypoolmodelshipyard

2 жыл бұрын

No they already had the Brittanic class in the works. The Brittanic 1 and its sisters where worthy replacements as they were an upgrade to the Oceanic class

@mrsaturngamingandstories

2 жыл бұрын

So the Britannic and Germanic were Atlantics replacement

@tinypoolmodelshipyard

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrsaturngamingandstories yes an no. They were already planned and i believe the Brittanic 1 was already launched or close to launch when the Atlantic disaster occured.

@mrsaturngamingandstories

2 жыл бұрын

So that make sense

@tinypoolmodelshipyard

2 жыл бұрын

I stand slightly corrected as i heavily focus on 1900 and beyond. Per further research seems construction didnt begin until the beginning of 1874. Seems like they could be considered more replacemnets. Evn though the class would improve upon most of the elements from the Oceanic class. Seems the Atlantic disaster (one of the main reasons) was the fire in the pants that got this class of ships built.

What about story of SS Naronic?

Unbuilt you say? Hm. Could this be the result of the Titanic Curse?

The Harland & Wolff order book lists Britannic as the name for Hull #433 from 1911.

like the french line the uinitedstates lines or the Cunard line

I think Oceanic’s sister would have been very interesting. What would the Olympic class have been called?

@michaelmacleod7051

2 жыл бұрын

@RMS Tuetonic Tried to think of some unused names; the Prolific, the Idyllic and the Meteoric

@rmsteutonic3686

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmacleod7051 maybe Britannic class?

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You should make on-camera appearances more often. You have a great voice, and not bad lookin' either. ;)

its too bad not one of the early 2 stackers survived into preservation

I didn’t even know until this year that Oceanic was intended to have a sister named Olympic.

I would like to See the oceanuc because maybe if it was built White star would still be here today

The Wikipedia says White Star Line went out of business in 1934. But that’s not true. It was 1950.

Did you forget about the Britannic 3

@TheGreatBigMove

Жыл бұрын

The third Britannic was MV Britannic of 1929.

@pdog2121

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGreatBigMove oh ok I forgot what it was called

Great big move or Great quick move?

@TheGreatBigMove

2 жыл бұрын

Great Quick Move is the name of the Patreon-exclusive series (it's just a play on words of my channel name).

Auu waited for 2 min, just to see another 2min count down lol

@TheGreatBigMove

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I wish the premier could be set up so that the countdown ended at the designated time.

@johnathanjoy2143

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video it was very amazing and awesome

Running a bit low on the idea bucket with this one?

@TheGreatBigMove

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, just taking a break for the month of April. I will be back with a regular video on May 1st.

@justabasslover4404

2 жыл бұрын

Luke Walker trying something different topic does not mean a content creator has run out of ideas about what topic would he choose

Dont make me Angry the Britannic never was Gigantic

Okay but how is this man so handsome 🥹

Rms Olympic 1899 is technically the Celtic so yea

Why white star line is unfinish for what?

i think if the white star line was still in sevirce even after the great dippreasson the white star line would still fail to compete with Cunard or French line, because the plan for oceanicIII was later turnes in ti the goregicII so if white star line was still in sevirce the white star line will go bankrupt in the years 1950-1958 with olympic being turned in to a hotel and majestic being scarped

Such a pity that they were unable to complete Oceanic. Just compare her design to that of the Queen Mary, Oceanic was far more advanced and modern. Queen Mary was just an improved Aquitania.

U called me?

I hope white star line will be back in 2025

Britannic's "Gigantic" name was actually never planned. The reason why this rumour exists because they just made up that name because britannic was the "giant" of the olympic class. I am not taking it hard but i'm just saying the truth

and if the white star line was to still extist it needs to be bought by an other company

Would it be weird if I said what if there was some lucky and ambitious multi-millionaire (not Clive Palmer) who wanted to build the Oceanic III in today’s modern world? Use the blueprints for the ship (if there’s any available) but modernizing it with the latest technology and making it safe (I’m not asking for something like Titanic II)

U forget ss balatic in 1887

Ships in heaven Gigantic: How you die Oceanic Oceanic: Never Built Gigantic: Ok almost same

Bad kind of cancel culture