You showing up and doing what you say you're going to do, even when you don't want to. But keeping to that commitment shows massive character on your part. And this is one of the big reasons I've been following you for so long.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

I very much appreciate that Brad, thank you so much! One of the hardest things for me being on the west coast has been the different way of life for the folks out here. Most don't have any concept of respecting time or keeping their word, and it's a constant struggle for me. I don't allow it to change who I am, and I stay true to my roots, but I've unfortunately had to find ways to cope with the reality of life out here, because in the beginning I found myself very upset and frustrated often.

@brad_in_yyc

8 ай бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife I know there is one person out here near Banff, Alberta that does sunrise landscape shoots. He charges anyone that wants to attend a $100 fully refundable fee to attend. Once they attend, he returns the money. So, essentially it's free, but it "reserves" their spot. If they don't show, then the money is his for the time wasted. Maybe look at something like that?

I feel like I'm monopolizing your comments. lol. This is a subject that is near and dear. I do have to say your lighting and composition setup for this series is on point!

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

Trust me G, I get it! LOL! You are not alone. Maybe we need to start a nationwide support group where we can come together and tell our stories hahahahaha. Thank you for the kind words on the lighting/composition, much appreciated!

Theres a reason why the Phrase "Im a MAN of my word" has stand the test of time!!!😅

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

So what you're saying is the world is full of too many boys and not enough men. LOLOL!

I had a model text me 15 min before the start of the shoot that she can't make it because her other shoot is running over time, and could I reschedule with her. Um, nope. If my time isn't important enough for you to manage your time, there's no way I'm making the same mistake twice. Had another, I'm on my way out the door, I text her to confirm location as it was outdoors. She texts back, "can't, sorry". You get one time to waste my time. I can't tell you how many cars have broken down on the way to shoots... As if Lyft and Uber don't operate in Chicago.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

I know photographers at all levels and they've ALL told me similar stories. I just want mutual respect, simple as that. If we treated models the way they treat us, there would be social media campaigns telling the world why they shouldn't work with us.

Really, when i get the "ok" they usually showup. In my sales career I've learned that the followup calls/messages can blow a deal. For instance nearly every time you ask "Are you still down for tomorrow?" It subconsciously gives them a "no cost" out by giving them another choice after the agreement has already been made. On the other hand, a statement like "I'll be downtown at 8am setting up." Makes the other party more likely to acquiesce. My flakes usually try to reschedule but my biggest issue is tardiness which can be costly when you've scheduled studio time. For outdoor tfp shoots I usually pick an area close to home and loosely scheduled the time (morning noon or evening) and tell them to let me know when they're getting ready, in hopes to build a relationship to plan something more complex in the future.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

Being that I do photography full time, I very much agree that when you give someone an easy out, they're more likely to take it. It's the reason you make it more difficult for someone to say 'no' (asking "is now a good time?" can easily be met with a 'no' but asking "I'm going to use two minutes of your time, is that fair?", it's much harder for people to say 'no' because sub-consciously they know they have two minutes to spare.) In my experiences, however, the delivery hasn't really mattered. If a model is going to bail, they're going to bail regardless of what or how you present something to them. And for me, I'd rather know you're bailing before I leave my house instead of being at the location and get a text 15 minutes after you were supposed to be there, telling me she can't make it. I tend to shoot at locations that are closer to the model out of courtesy since it's a collab and gas isn't cheap out here on the west coast. I don't know where you're based, but I didn't have this big of an issue when I was in Columbus, OH. In LA and Vegas though, it's been horrendous.

@droe90

8 ай бұрын

@AnthonyToglife facts, id love to hear more about when you decided to go full time. And how you would approach it these days. I started out with hopes of going pro. But quickly learned that there is so much more to it than pushing buttons. I ended up becoming obsessed with the practice and learning. When do you know your actually ready to go full time?

The family emergency excuses gets me every time. Once i was waiting at the location for the model and she text me her grandmother died. SMFH. Traveled 1.5 hrs for nothing.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

And that's exactly what I'm talking about, had it been the other way around and you did that to the model, I can almost guarantee she would have posted something to her social media telling people how unprofessional you are and that they shouldn't work with you. Yet, if we do the same thing, it's being petty and we're bullying. The lack of respect and common courtesy is at an all-time low.

This video alone makes me want to come to Klantucky for your workshop. But I don't fool with cold weather states anymore from Jan-Mar.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

Klantucky, lololol. I'll pretty much only go to Louisville or Lexington, outside of that, I know my place haha.

Had to make sure i commented on both my accounts. Great work brother

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

My mans got the burner accounts out here LOLOL.

Thank you for putting this series together. As a model its great to get the perspective of the photographer. One of my key factors is to communicate from start to finish if you want to have a great working relationship. I know photographers invest not just time and money into the shoot as well and they need to be shown the respect and credit for that. I also liked the part you spoke on regarding charging for your worth. Please keep up the great content it's a great lesson for both parties involved in creating art.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

It’s wonderful to hear from a model! I had another model respond and she seemed quite offended, which wasn’t my intent of course. I’ve worked with some amazing models over the years so not every model fits into what I talked about in the video, but I’ve had countless conversations with photographers at all levels and we all feel like things have gotten significantly worse over the past few years. And honestly, we just want to fix it so that all parties are valued, respected, and benefit from the work being put in. Again, thank you for commenting, I value your perspective.

@lizbuck7378

8 ай бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife You're welcome. There will always be someone who is quick to be offended or to judge before doing their full research on matters. The lack of communication and knowledge is a huge reason I feel things have gotten to where they are now in this industry. Another key factor to me as to why it has gotten like this is because of the maturity level of some, I only say this because I'm a model nearly in her 50's but look far from it lol. Hopefully by continuing sharing your perspective others will become educated on how it all ties together for a great working relationship between creators,

I touched on this subject a little in my year end video for 2022 and I was thinking about what I will talk about in my 2023 year end video and planned to touch on it again (my channel is waaay smaller than yours so probably no one saw it when I talked about it lol) as I've had some different experiences etc. but I completely agree with what you say here, I see the same things and have the same thoughts and it is discouraging sometime. I've had to harden myself, cut people off, and limit who I work with to try to help and the problems that you speak about still happen. I'm at a point where I like to keep shooting the same models over and over because they are good people, loyal, and keep their word

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

I can tell you for sure - when you find a good, reliable model, take care of her, and keep her on your team! Because a lot of my collab shoots are just to stay creative, I don’t care as much about shooting with a vast variety of models, I more so want to experiment, try new lighting and compositional techniques, that sort of thing. So I value my repeat models, which are hard to come by. Even they, after some time, will fall off, especially if they’re not that into modeling. I’ve even had ones that I offered to pay to keep them around and they declined, because they just didn’t have interest in doing shoots anymore and they respected me enough to not take my money and then half-ass the shoot. It’s hard out here, and I get discouraged often, but I process it, move on, and keep looking forward. Above all, I do not quit!

In my experience, many "models" are amateurs and don't treat it like a job. If you go through an agency instead of dealing with the model directly, yes, you tend to pay more, but, in my experience, it tends to be a lot more reliable, and more importantly, professional, and even more importantly, they generally know what to do.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

That’s a very valid point, and I don’t disagree. But don’t you think this extends beyond what is deemed professional? Should one human to another respect someone’s time and effort? If I tell you I’m going to meet you at 7p for drinks, and I show up at 8p, and I don’t give you any heads up, that’s not due to a lack of professionalism, it’s due to me not feeling like I owe you the courtesy and respect.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

I also feel like the models with agencies are only more professional because they have to be. If they're hired by the agency, that's like a job situation, and if they don't show up to shoots on time and conduct themselves professionally, they're out of job. And if you have the pleasure of being signed to an agency, you kind of get to just sit back and let the jobs come to you (i.e. they don't have to necessarily be active in finding work), so they're more motivated to keep that. I would imagine those same models may not be as professional if they were doing it all on their own.

@AdrianBacon

8 ай бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife There's a reason why it's called being a "man of your word" and not a "woman of your word". Females operate by a different standard and have done so since the beginning of time. Yes, it's a double standard, yes, it sucks, but that's the way it's been, and it's not likely to change any time soon. Expecting a woman to operate by a standard a man is expected to is a nice to have, but not really realistic. The best you can do is understand the nature of it and adapt things to mitigate it as much as you can, like book more than one model for the same time slot. Multiple models actually showing up is one of the best kind of problems to have.

@AdrianBacon

8 ай бұрын

@@AnthonyToglife this is true. The reason they went with an agency is because they just want to work and either don't know how to market themselves, or don't want to be the one to put that effort in, which is totally fine. If it works for them and we can get what we need, then it's all good. For me, at the end of the day, I'm paying talent to show up on time, be professional, and do their job. If the do that, I don't care how or what they do to get the job.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

@@AdrianBacon I don't think asking a woman to respect someone's time and effort is under the same creed that "man of your word" materialized. I know many women whom, in their day-to-day lives, showcase this respect on a daily basis. I haven't found this to be a woman problem, I've found it to be a model/photoshoot problem. That's just my personal experience, of course everyone else's can be different.

It's probably unrealistic to expect amateur dabblers to be as reliable and conscientious as professionals. Reliability and conscientiousness are part of the definition of "professional."

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

I don't touch on it in this series, but I've experienced the same with "professionals", even models I was going to pay for the shoot. So it's not an amateur vs professional problem, it's a people problem.

A lack of respect is a sad sign of our times. Especially visible in the younger generation.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

You're absolutely right about that Sebastian!

@Itgyrl909

8 ай бұрын

💯% Agree!!!

@jimmyhinAK

8 ай бұрын

Yeah but let’s be real those of us who are older raised them I take my share of responsibility for that.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

@@jimmyhinAK it’s tough to contend with the influence of social media, regardless of how good a parent you are. I was raised extremely well but I still did a lot of dumb things as a kid, and I didn’t have social media (or phones, for that matter) to contend with.

Awesome video!

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

Thank you Agnetha!

I knew the game was messed up when a "model" hit me up with a concept, date, & time, then cancelled the morning of smh. Usually them hitting you up with details & specifics passes the vetting process and makes you feel more comfortable, but naw you still aren't safe until they show up, and that's if they show up on time lol.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

Sheeesh, you're definitely right, usually in a situation like that you could feel pretty good it's gonna be green. I know that some models do you have legitimate reasons/causes to have to cancel, but I don't think I'll ever be okay with canceling on me the day of. At that point my day has been planned and likely can't be readjusted to account for the cancellation. I know sometimes it's unavoidable but it's like the saying "one bad apple can ruin the whole bunch", that's what a lot of these models have done. The good ones unfortunately can't be differentiated from the bad ones.

Excellent series so far brother. Keep it up 💪🏾

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

Much appreciated my dawg! This has been a lot of fun!

It's flat out a lack of respect. It's unfortunate that it's these "models" who aren't really models don't really get what photographers do to prepare for a shoot. So many of these IG models are so used to shooting with any Tom, Dick and Harry with a camera just to get content for themselves that they don't comprehend what goes down to prep for a real shoot. There's a local photographer that I taught me some things when I started that when a model wants to collab, she charges them a retainer that they get back when they show up because he's got so sick of being flaked on.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

I do like that idea of charging the retainer! I imagine that would only work well for models reaching out to do collabs. It would be a tough “sell” to be a photographer reaching out to a model, then saying “pay this retainer so I know you’re serious”, although I dunno, maybe it would work better than I’m imagining it would.

Fire series! I won't say what I really want to say about this topic lol But I also wonder if female photographers have this issue. I only really hear male photographers dealing with this (that's just in my circle) I wonder if that plays a factor? Especially with the way the social climate has been lately. I 100% agree we need to push back but there are some robots in disguise that are hurting our cause because they just want to shoot pretty girls and don't really care to grow beyond that. Bridges get burnt every day B! lol

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

From conversations I've had with female photographers, this doesn't seem to be as big of an issue, and I can definitely say I feel 100% that female models are ten times more likely to not only respond to a DM from a female photographer, but actually keep up their end of the bargain. Which presents an issue in and of itself. But to your last point, I touch on that in part four dropping tomorrow, lol.

@kirkdarling4120

8 ай бұрын

Good question. But are there as many women photographers doing so-called "model photography" (what was called "pin-up photography" back in my day)? Anthony mentions that there are lots of guys with cameras who just want to take pictures of cute girls. That non-professionalism distorts the environment. That's a factor in there being so many cute girls whose heads aren't about business...because a lot of guys' heads aren't really about business. I wouldn't think there were very many women photographers who just want to take pictures of cute girls.

@ozarksdigitalcreations9254

8 ай бұрын

There's a lot of female photographers that post about this issue as well. It's def not a gender thing, it's a huge lack of respect thing. It does happen less when the photographer is paying models, but even they flaky as Tony the Tiger. The problem there is IG, FB and Kavyar are full of amateurs who have done 2-3 shoots and think they are a pro and deserve that $150 an hour and set there looking constipated not even knowing how to pose.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

@@kirkdarling4120 very good points!

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

@@ozarksdigitalcreations9254 very good points as well!

So i was sent this video and my question, as a professional, are you dealing with professional models or just randoms on Instagram? I ask because i don't have these issues because I'm of the belief that because there is no such genre in photography called model photographer, shooting a model is a means towards an end which is shooting an actual genre of photography. So if professional agency represented model. Then that's a problem. If randoms on Instagram, that's like me complaining about the shade tree mechanic messing up my transmission.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

I’ll be honest, I couldn’t fully understand what you’re saying/asking here, but are you saying that only models signed to agencies can be deemed professional? And that all freelance models are akin to “shade tree mechanics”?

@blubravery

8 ай бұрын

@AnthonyToglife not saying all but I'm wondering with this video are you dealing with professionals or randoms on social media claiming to be pros. I brought up agency models because agency representation comes with guarantees of replacements if a model doesn't show up. So I'm wondering where these thoughts come from to the point of making a video like this.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

@@blubravery this video is a culmination of years of discussions with photographers at all levels and my own experiences. Professional models I was paying for shoots have been this way as well. So while it’s great you don’t experience this, a lot of photographers do.

@blubravery

8 ай бұрын

@AnthonyToglife so independents... just needed the clarification. Thank you.

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

@@blubravery nope, independents and agencies. But if you’re looking for some sort of validation, roll with it.

I feel like you need to hire better models because I would never

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion.

You’re generalizing a LOT of models and it’s odd. Where or how are you booking these people? Are you paying them? Or do you keep booking models to do shoots for “exposure”? Are you opening up castings and letting people know it’s a paid gig? I’ve been published in Canadian, French, and American magazines, I’ve walked NY, LA, ATL fashion week shows and I’m walking Paris Fashion week in February…you know how many photographers hit me and ask me to come and do a shoot for them and the payment is exposure. I have to pay for my transportation and lodging in whatever city you’re in and you’re getting my time and my image for free. It’s unbalanced. A lot of people in the fashion industry are USING people and then saying they aren’t real models without taking accountability for the fact that you aren’t gonna pay for any part of your model being a part of the shoot but you want to be upset when they have to work. Modeling is work, it is expensive on the part of the model, and it’s very time consuming. We should fist discuss how you’re compensating people for doing this before calling them unprofessional or not real models. If they aren’t real models then why are they on your set in the first place. A receptionist is gonna act like a receptionist so if you’re hiring a receptionist to do a models job then you’re getting what you paid for…or didn’t pay for 😂

@AnthonyToglife

8 ай бұрын

I'm happy to hear you're a successful, published model. Perhaps you should consider watching part one and part two, that may answer some of your questions. If you don't want to do that, that's perfectly fine, thanks for commenting.