I miss Thor when he was noble, just, larger than life and speaking Shakespearean English like his counterpart from Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes animated show.

@cokemaster3710

Жыл бұрын

yeah it really sucks ragnarok ruined his character :(

@JoshuaKevinPerry

Жыл бұрын

@@cokemaster3710 They never did him right. Unworthy, worthy, rinse, repeat.

@jgould30

Жыл бұрын

Yep and I hate that so many people seem to say they dislike the first Thor because it was space Shakespeare. That's why I liked it. It was different.

@velociraptor3313

Жыл бұрын

I love Thor in Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes, he was noble, humble and I also love the way he spoke in the Shakespearean manner. I really don't like what the MCU have done with him. A bumbling goofy idiot with horrible jokes. What a waste.

@SAMagic

Жыл бұрын

He got hit by the red ball 😊😊😊

Kudos to you Drinker having different guests on, even new creators with low sub counts. You have a massive reach and it really helps those newer channels get some exposure.

@DaPhantomThief

Жыл бұрын

do you think the Drinker should start doing timestamps?

@trygveplaustrum4634

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! I'm sure Russell Crowe really appreciates the boost!

Disney is living up to: "With great wokeness comes great irresponsibility." - Uncle Ben, rice pioneer

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

👍👍

@someguy2347

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂"Humpty dumpty sat on the wall. Humpty Dupty had a WOKE fall" -Woke nursery rhymes😂😂😂

@thetruth45678

Жыл бұрын

I prefer, "With great wokeness comes great brokeness." - Aunt Jemima, pancake enthusiast

@JohnSmith-sb2fp

Жыл бұрын

Yeah ,but you forgot uncle ben's pronouns.

@genmaicha.lapsang

Жыл бұрын

How are you always here?

George Lucas might actually be able to buy back Lucasfilm at a significant discount Haim Saban did something similar, when he sold Disney Power Rangers for a huge sum, then bought it back for far less from them, after Disney ran it into the ground. Saban then brought it back to profitability, and sold it to Hasbro for a significant profit.

@thetruth45678

Жыл бұрын

Unless I'm right, and George did not sell it to them by his own free choice.

@robwalsh9843

Жыл бұрын

Ironically, Power Rangers was just lifted footage from a Japanese show.

@cokemaster3710

Жыл бұрын

pure delusion

@charmandyorton006

Жыл бұрын

It's like poetry, sort of, they rhyme

@fatgumthegoat

Жыл бұрын

​@@robwalsh9843 the parts in the suits yes but the rest and the actual plot is pretty different. still can't deny super sentai were the og

I disagree with the assertion that Gwen just switched her motivation on a whim near the end. When she returned to her universe and reconciled with her father, she realized that he would survive because he quit his job as Captain. This only happened because Renaissance Vulture had appeared, and this all happened because of Miles getting bitten. So, in this case, the disruption of a canon event led to a positive outcome. This leads Gwen to the conclusion that it's not universal fact that Miles trying to save his father would lead to a negative ending like Miguel believes.

@thewerepyreking

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, I thought it was pretty straightforward. Also that their fates aren't written completely in stone. However Gwen and Miles kinda come across as naiive for thinking just because the canon event was prevented and they only waited for a few hours and nothing happened that it's fine. Maybe that's the point though, that they are young and not jaded like Miguel

@ab-gail

Жыл бұрын

I wish that had come through better in the movie if that’s actually the reasoning.

@buddermonger2000

Жыл бұрын

​@ab-gail Yeah maybe an extra line of dialogue there could've helped. But you do see her have a realization after she reconciles with her father that way.

@SantosAl

10 ай бұрын

Gwen felt rootless and had no one to confide to, she was utterly depressed. Then the first film happened and she had friends again that fully understood her, only to lose them again. Her only (self perceived) hope of belonging was her father, that betrays her at the start of the film. So as a homeless teen feeling bereft of choices clutches hard on this cool group of people that give her a new home, a place to belong; She literally asks to be adopted by Pregnant Spider-woman, And Miguel as a distant male authority figure is almost functions as a stand-in for a father figure. The group of people she wanted to be a part of abandon her, and the impetus for joining them, the father betraying her is resolved. this leaves her with no reason to toe the line any more, especially since saving Miles - who has been on her side always - from 42 is more important.

George can buy the Star Wars IP back for 10 bucks.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

He can buy it dirt cheap.

@darklordchauncy

Жыл бұрын

Just give Disney the Disney stock they paid him for it.

@THEGM1234

Жыл бұрын

Nah bro. $4.99 and a big Mac

@SgtTraz

Жыл бұрын

sell high buy low

@fatgumthegoat

Жыл бұрын

​@@darklordchauncy those aren't falling in value fast enough I think they're worth more than lucasfilm is

I personally find Miles only works in a universe where the original Spider-Man is dead. Putting him alongside Peter Parker on a regular basis devalues him as a character, making him Spider-Man’s amazing sidekick instead of someone trying to keep up his legacy

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

Жыл бұрын

But Peter Parker (or 3 of them) in first movie kickstarted his development.

@omgazr0

Жыл бұрын

Almost like he doesn't need to exist because he is not really his own thing and having Peter right next to him makes it painfully clear.

@nickmhc

Жыл бұрын

This makes sense. But the point of Miles is literally that the Peter Parker in his run was gone.

@DaPhantomThief

Жыл бұрын

do you think the Drinker should start doing timestamps?

@jlev1028

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-xx6vy9ri8pNot the same thing.

Feel like Peter B returning would’ve been better if he’d showed up without the robe, dressed in the full Spider-Man costume and showed Miles a picture of his kid or something? Also maybe have Jessica direct other spider people from the headquarters since she’s pregnant ?

@DaPhantomThief

Жыл бұрын

do you think the Drinker should start doing timestamps?

@Blu3-Fir3

Жыл бұрын

Or, don't have her be pregnant in the first place.

@alexhayden219

Жыл бұрын

Both solid ideas. I'm okay with Peter bringing May initially, but not getting actively involved in the chase, and definitely not taking her out of the crib to go with him at the end when he joins Gwen, getting ready for war.

@ab-gail

Жыл бұрын

That would have been way better.

In the Miles Morales movie, breaking canon destroys the dimension, in his dimension he was never meant to get bit by that spider so shouldn't that break canon and destroy his dimension?

@lukesmith8708

Жыл бұрын

Well I think that is maybe the doubt they want to plant in your head, to show that Miguel isn’t 100% knowledgeable of the canon.

@adityaunnava4304

Жыл бұрын

But then the super collider event did happen. They stopped it from going haywire that's it. That event cudve easily been the dimension ending thing. And spot, the new dimension ending threat, is a direct byproduct of that as if it's a back-up plan to set things right if the collider failed.

@nickmhc

Жыл бұрын

Yea that’s why original perfect Peter Parker tasks Miles with stopping the collider before dying.

@DaPhantomThief

Жыл бұрын

do you think the Drinker should start doing timestamps?

@Shockguey

Жыл бұрын

This thread is an example of why Multiverse is stupid. People literally theorizing whether events happen or not.

Spider punk fighting fascism is a reference to how his universe is a world where corporations rule with an iron fist and use armies of armored officers to crush rebellion. He is one of the superheroes of his world that based themselves off the anti establishment, hence the punk aesthetic, in his universe Captain America is a punk rocker as well

@dudeduderson4077

Жыл бұрын

He has the worst line in the film.." It's a metaphor for capitalism"

@Shockguey

Жыл бұрын

​@@zogwort1522 He's an Anarcho-Communist

@alexhayden219

Жыл бұрын

Please stop! I don't want to know anything more about his world, because it'll almost certainly ruin him. With knowing barely anything about where he comes from, I really like him.

Yes! Make Little Platoon a co-host. He fits so well with the rest of you!

@davidcatabui2018

Жыл бұрын

They'll have to redo the theme song

The premise of Across the Spiderverse just doesn’t sit right with me. The idea of every Spider-Man across the multiverse being part of a death cult is just wrong.

@LordEsel88

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the foundation of the narrative is deeply flawed, but the movie has a pretty surface.

@Zepher0987

Жыл бұрын

Death cult is the wrong way to look at it. It's essentially Flashpoint, right? Without the time travel. I just don't buy the premise WITHOUT time travel. I don't care if every other version of me in the multiverse had to watch a loved one bleed out in their arms, there's no way to know that HAS to happen.

@cokemaster3710

Жыл бұрын

@@Zepher0987i mean they found out it does cause spider-man indias universe is starting get erased from existence

@Zepher0987

Жыл бұрын

@@cokemaster3710 For Indian Spider-man, saving his girl and her dad destroyed it. But Miguel, it was living in a different universe with his doppelganger's family. There's no correlation. It happened, but what I'm saying is it makes no sense why. Maybe part 2 will reveal some mastermind bay guy who started it, idk.

@cokemaster3710

Жыл бұрын

@@Zepher0987 you don’t understand why the universe wouldnt accept someone taking over the place of a dead version of themselves? if theyre dead, they cant create anymore history, so when that new person does create new shit it fucks with the timeline

From outside context, Miles Morales is in a very intense game of "Tag! You're It!" with the Spider-Man variants who wanted to meet the newbie and check out what he can do.

@DaPhantomThief

Жыл бұрын

do you think the Drinker should start doing timestamps?

God I love Little Platoon so much. Being this knowledgeable and humble at the same time seems rare

@defs8073

Жыл бұрын

You're really overthinking it.

@Eassstt

Жыл бұрын

@@defs8073 not gay unfortunately

@BootySweat4491

Жыл бұрын

I agree. And he words things very eloquently and is able to express what I’m thinking in a much better way than I’m able to myself lol

@BlackNo1918

Жыл бұрын

He doesn't like to cook. That's the only thing I don't like about this man ...

@paulcarmi8130

Жыл бұрын

@@BlackNo1918I don’t like to cook. HATE ME

Hemsworth is a hair shy of outright saying he hates Thor. But, by Infinity War, he had some pull and should've put his foot down. That laidback-Aussie personality seems to have backfired on him and the Thor franchise.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

You could tell he was giving it his all in first Thor movie in 2011

@DaPhantomThief

Жыл бұрын

do you think the Drinker should start doing timestamps?

@drointhewind480

Жыл бұрын

@@DaPhantomThief Yes! stop asking

@alexhayden219

Жыл бұрын

By Infinity War, he seemed ready to do it as long as they'd have him. Then they made his character a laughing stock.

@theinnerlight8016

Жыл бұрын

As I recall Chris wanted the fat Thor so much, it became a big part of endgame. Bad choice.

Hats off to mauler with pronunciation of that long ass city name also thank you for these videos collaboration and sync shows you guys have a true brotherhood with the humor

I'm just happy to hear that Kathleen Kennedy confirms there will be no season 2 of Obi-Wan Kenobi.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

Man, that show STUNK!

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

The only good things about it was the adorable child actor who played Leia and seeing Hayden Christensen again but even that’s not saying much.

@DaPhantomThief

Жыл бұрын

do you think the Drinker should start doing timestamps?

AZ's mumbled "I'm a bigot" caught me so off-guard. 🤣🤣🤣

As for the baby, I was fine with it when Peter first shows up. I did think the bathrobe was a bit much, but the thing I kept noticing is that he kept subtly undermining Miguel's pomposity. He was pointing out that Miguel (as a spiderman) should have at least some sense of humor. Peter knew how Miguel felt able Miles and was totally trying to defuse the situation. Also, he seemed to be the only one that actually got up near Miguel. Whereas everyone else (including Jessica) kind of respected/feared him and kept their distance, Peter was having none of that and it really seemed to put Miguel off-balance, like he did not know how to handle Peter. Even Spider-punk kept his distance and at one point ducked down, but Peter literally went up and patted him on the back. Now the end scene with taking Mayday into battle, well that I think was a step too far. Mayday may have powers and be tough or whatever, but she is a baby and they have no idea what is about to go down. I get that Peter feels that he gained the bravery to go and have a child because of Miles, but now is the time to be a good father and leave her with MJ. Oh, and by the way, maybe let MJ know your heading out. You are still working on mending the relationship, a bit of respect would go a long way there.

@struggler7164

Жыл бұрын

I think it's supposed to be portrayed as a Joke. Even if you did make the argument that Peter wasn't taking Miguel seriously, he does know the gravity of the situation (the Canon events and all the Spot drama). And besides, isn't Peter already known to be the jokey type and Miguel the serious (but occasionally makes jokes) type anyway? If you look at the various portrayals of peter and miguel in the comics, cartoons, and even videogames, Peter is almost always the one making quips and jokes while Miguel is serious, but does make jokes from time-to-time. And, furthermore, it is possible that Peter is close with Miguel in the movie, that's why he's so casual with him and knows that Miguel can handle his personality anyway.

@wav522

11 ай бұрын

Yeah that’s actually fair

@michaelm5542

11 ай бұрын

@@struggler7164 I would agree, but Peter should have been a little more careful to flaunt his kid around somebody who lost the only family he could have had (for all we know it was fairly recent). But mainly, no way would any version of Peter have a baby come around with him on such a dangerous mission, or in fact any mission, superpowers or not.

@SantosAl

10 ай бұрын

@@michaelm5542 Could that be intentional? Miguel seems to be trying to be as stoic and objective as possible, having an innocent child in front of him could have helped with mellowing him out. Like when PeterB tried to have Miles hold Mayday because it will help him, he is trying to do the same to Miguel.

@michaelm5542

10 ай бұрын

@@SantosAl it's just that's his lifetime achievement award, whereas Miguel in a way, just lost his. So it seems very mocking, in an unintentional way. (Or at the very least SUPER inconsiderate)

Knowing disney after Kathleen Kennedy leaves she'll be replaced by Harvey Weinsteins former assistant who is also a feminist who says George Didn't plan ahead in what he was doing with star wars. She also calls the original star wars movies misogynist for some reason.

@DaPhantomThief

Жыл бұрын

do you think the Drinker should start doing timestamps?

@theinnerlight8016

Жыл бұрын

Of course the original trilogy is misogynistic. Leia doesn't shoot as many imperials as the men do. 😂

Don't know what people see in the spider verse

MauLer speaking Welsh is absolutely on my bucket list whilst our society continues to erode.

Unfortunately my experience with the movie was tainted as I was in a screen where the audio mixing was off. Really hard to hear the dialogue during the action scenes, it was like watching Tenet again

Drinker Fixes Fat Thor is canon in my mind. Such a great story line. It's 100% plausible too. It started with Infinity War and the beginning of Endgame. Badass warrior Thor. How they ran his character to the ground is so ridiculous.

The canon events make no sense as a premise because what about the What if universes? On of the first what ifs was “what if Spider-Man saved his uncle Ben” and the 90s show has the spidey that did that and became a worse person for it. Fundamentally the Hollywood need to have all alternate universes be connected by one concept or idea is the exact opposite of the point of alternate dimensions. It’s LIMITLESS POSSIBILITIES, ANYTHING CAN EXIST BECAUSE ITS EVERY POSSIBILITY. want a universe where life never took root? Bam it’s there Want a universe where Spider-Man called himself geckoboy? Bam, that’s there too Want a universe where uncle Ben survived? Obviously that can happen, it’s only one variation off

@nickmhc

Жыл бұрын

Marvel What If’s Dr Strange Supreme literally destroys his universe by altering a nexus event

I really like DarkHour as a guest, hope to see more of him, he really does pick up on a lot and sometimes catches detail that I missed. Solid guest!

@DarkHourYT

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. I pride myself on being detail oriented. When you hang out with the big boys like Mauler and Drinker, you gotta always bring your A game.

1:55 I think Heir to the Empire and Luke's take was the best. Being attacked by the Noghri, first he tries to negotiate, then retreats to avoid a fight with civilians, then non-lethal, then finally cutting them down with the lightsaber once there was no other option

I just want to touch on the point that MauLer was talking about: It's odd that all Spider-Men would go along with this besides Miles Morales. Then he brings up Insomniac Spider-Man and how people were saying there is no way he would go along with that... I mean he already did. He had the antidote to the disease that was killing Aunt May and he let her die so they could synthesize more antidote for the people of New York City. Any Spider-Man would sacrifice a loved one to save everyone else. It might seem odd at first glance but they, I believe, are being manipulated by Spider-Man 2099. I don't know, to me, it just feels like a nitpick to bitch about a good movie.

@Shockguey

Жыл бұрын

Is it a good movie? Only if you have next to no knowledge of Spider-Man. So yeah, it's a good movie for the layperson. 2099 fans got the short end of the stick because his character got essentially butchered for everyone's entertainment.

@sweetbro1642

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it's a nitpick necessarily. I would add to the criticism that Miguel would only be inviting Spidermen that agree with him to the Spider Society, if he was smart. As is, it seems like most of them feel terrible about it and go along begrudgingly.

Kathleen Kennedy still isn't fired despite being the reason why Disney's Star Wars is crap for she has the ultimate job security.

@emperorsean1

Жыл бұрын

Well she is a woman. Women can't get fired.

@thetruth45678

Жыл бұрын

Why would they fire her? She's doing her job better than Disney could have hoped.

@princeeverlove

Жыл бұрын

Like everyone else, their Obamessiah is propping them up to follow his Script...

@JoshuaKevinPerry

Жыл бұрын

It's happened to gaming companies like Bioware. Can't fire em

@michaelfang1393

Жыл бұрын

@@thetruth45678 Nah. Disney trilogy sucked.

Good to see Darkhour making solid contributions - and getting a well deserved bump in subs as a result.

@DarkHourYT

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad to read this. Honestly for me I'm always kind of not sure how I'm doing in these things

Animation wise, it’s so, so visually stunning. The colors are so vibrant. The styles so unique. There wasn’t a boring shot in the whole movie. The music is always attention grabbing and vibrates through your bones in the theater. The humor was tasteful, it didn’t seem to under cut any important and deep emotional moments. I have to agree that (spoilers-----------) I don’t believe the quick change of heart to help miles prevent his father from dying. While I can see how the evidence for messing with a canon event is shaky, being all we know is that Miguel’s universe was destroyed and the Indian Spider-Man’s universe isn’t out of the woods yet- if I personally was shown thousands of other people who are my equivalent experiencing the same loss, I’d feel hopeless. Miles certainly is head strong to see this scenario play out basically indefinitely and still decide he can stop it. Miguel and the other spider people, to me, aren’t wrong by trying to stop Miles. They genuinely believe that stopping this would cause the death of BILLIONS. Which is why I still feel like so many of them suddenly willing to Miles is just a little too convenient for the plot. I personally don’t see how they saw or experienced anything so strongly to make them switch their beliefs to be willing to take this gamble- especially the avatar Spider-Girl who let Miles go in the go home machine. A single positive interaction would make her let him go, when she knows the risks? I’m typing this on my phone, otherwise I’d probably go further in depth with my little issues with the movie. But I really did like this movie, you can totally tell that the people working on it really cared about the animation- which is apparently a rarity these days with how fast these studios want movies out and they cut corners on CGI. Overall like a 7/10 for me personally.

@Shockguey

Жыл бұрын

INFINITY All arguments about what is supposed to be what are invalidated by one word. INFINITY

@alexhayden219

Жыл бұрын

It's truly a masterpiece in visuals. And Miles and Gwen both have great personal segments with their families. Overall storywise... aaaaaarrrrrggggoddddd. The more I think about it, the more painful it is. The first one is a much more solid film.

@Apopcyp

Жыл бұрын

@@alexhayden219 I think the people creating this story are primarily artists. They weren’t necessarily writers. But they still manage to write better than the rest of the current marvel catalog by leaps and bounds Every interview I’ve seen stresses on the animation, which it absolutely should god it’s insane, which is why I this is the case

Well done DarkHour. You made a great guest to the bar with valuable input and opinions. Hope to see you make more appearances and gain more traction on YT. 👍

I feel like the Little Platoon is really sitting there IRL with a merlot and a cigarette. His accent and articulation of speech is too complex not to include that visual.

George, if hes still alive, should publicly uncanonized the disney storyline

Unfortunately, there is one, maybe a few more idk, scenes that really go against the whole "Cannon Event" thing...either 2099 is lying about it, which wouldn't make any sense for his character cause he isn't a bad guy, he's pretty nasty and brutal but he is ultimately one of the greatest spider-men and is the one who would know the most about multiversal anomalies and multiverses in general. So the scene in Universe India, is very flawed. One, the very event that is supposed to be a cannon one was caused because three interlopers from different universes caused a building to fall. [The three being, Miles, Gwen and The Spot] that instantly means that Cannon Events can occur abruptly due to outside inputs from other universal entities, unless the spider-man part of it cancels out, but that doesn't stop the spot being apart of that issue. Unless the whole growth of that world ending spot in the ground was actually caused by all of them fucking around in another universe, which unfortunately wasn't touched on other than a throw away line from 2099 saying it was their fault, with the blame mainly being thrown at Miles for intervening. 2099 could possibly be withholding information about how these things work as well? Which I feel like could only be something that would be revealed and explained in the next film? Multiverse shit is starting to get on my damn nerves, because you have to set your own damn laws for it and stick to them, you have to be careful with how you do things otherwise you could throw out the very rules you just made up for the thing you created. Or create major plotholes that ruin the story. This second part is starting to worry me, especially when it comes to their handling of complex ideas and the bizzare use of activism hidden away in scenes like something straight out of those brainwashing propaganda films that have subtle but effective messaging that makes you think a certain way. The use of that damn "Rest in Power" thing is absolutely atrocious, I can only assume it was Miles who made it, but given the context of it, that statement is only supposed to be used in a way that respects those that died due to hate crimes and is only ever used with activism in mind.

I personally like how Peter B is portrayed in Across the Spiderverse. He's still the same bumbling spider man he's always been, but thanks to his involvement with Miles he's a Peter who is living a great life and who's kinda broken out of the spiderman paradigm, being able to be that husband and father Peter wants to be but he can't because sales always drop in comics when that happens. He's living his best now.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

👍👍👍💯

@jonnywaldis8275

Жыл бұрын

More or less agree, I have no problem with him taking his daughter to the office, especially since he wanted Miles to meet her. Hell I can even excuse his getup. Taking her along into an actual fight however is the hight of irresponsibility and showing up in slippers is plain stupid. I get that they want the kid around for zany moments in part 3, that however could have been accomplished by her webshooting thought the portal, after Peter left her behind, right as it closes. This way she can have funny scenes with Punk-Rock without portraying Peter as a bad father

@BENR8108

Жыл бұрын

I personally dislike how he’s protrayed as your stereotype of a bumbling idiot father. Every single time Peter is in a scene he’s either being a doofus dad OR being called incompetent by others. The writers know that Peter is the more compelling character and they are effectively retreading new ground with every non Peter character. So they have to bash him and sideline him to make Miles appear more competent. It’s written well so that’s not so blatant; but it’s there. It just reeks of activism that the sole, white straight white make is derided by others and protrayed like a doofus.

@mostevil1082

Жыл бұрын

I always assumed he was just a slightly different guy, the others are all different Peters.

@samgeary6825

Жыл бұрын

​@@jonnywaldis8275 😅😊

Az's laugh at Disney's pain is so infectious

Kingdom of the crystal skull was Spielbergs idea not George Lucas'. Ok it was GL property but spielberg was the one who wanted to bring indiana johnes back.

What if the reason for the Peter B. Parker carrying around the baby is that in the 3rd film Miles has to choose between saving his dad or Peter B.? On one hand he can save his father by sacrificing his friend, making Peter's son live without a father from an early age. On the other hand, he sacrifices his father in order to save Peter B. to ensure he is able to raise his child, becoming a true hero. Is that wishing for too much? I feel like that would be an amazing culmination.

44:53 “they need to ditch that fuckn baby..” Drinker🤣 I totally agree. We need Peter back!

Disney did the same thing with marvel comics they tossed the comic stories aside to make the movies they wanted to make they didnt faithfully adapt stories from the comics and disney tossed aside the star wars eu books to make the sequel trilogy. Then KK comes out with her bs saying "oh there are no books".

Across the Spider-Verse is very good, though very overhyped and kinda overrated. It’s not deserving of a 9 on IMDB or to be the highest rated film on Letterbox. And it’s not better than the first. There are a some significant issues. Peter B. Parker’s abhorrent mishandling for starters. And the fact that a lot of problems in the second half could have been prevented if a certain exposition dump didn’t occur. And the fact that somehow Miles is better than all the other Spider-People. Yeah, no. They should have easily caught him.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

Regarding the “Miles being better than all the other Spider-People” shouldn’t they be equally balanced in terms of abilities. THEYRE SPIDER PEOPLE!

@Zepher0987

Жыл бұрын

@@chasehedges6775 If they're all given the same boost, surely someone who was stronger to start would stay that way? Even if it's comparatively not as much.

@chrisb7831

Жыл бұрын

Not better than all. He had the benefit of actually having a plan and the majority of the other Spider-Man's not really knowing what was going on. Also, naturally Miles would be better than some of them since some are just joke characters to begin with. Peter B Parker actually figured it out and cornered Miles pretty easily since he would be considered one of the "better" ones.

@sdbzfan1

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisb7831 right there's hundreds of them that have to makeshift working together, vs Miles who just has to avoid everyone else thats why I love Peter saying he's not a bad teacher after all since its thanks to him Miles is getting away from everyone

@tomgu2285

Жыл бұрын

Why should he get caught? Most spidermans didn't even know who he is and he is experienced.

Mild Mehrales

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

Accurate

@tyronedasher5408

Жыл бұрын

JosephineKatyPerry

@JoshuaKevinPerry

Жыл бұрын

@@tyronedasher5408 Reported for hate speech

When it comes to Spider-Man, I'm always going to say the 1997 cartoon was the best version outside of the original comics and more faithful to who Peter Parker, Mary Jane, Aunt May, Flash Thompson, Felicia Hardy and the Kingpin than anything since...however the original Spider-Man trilogy movies nailed John Joana Jameson!

@DaPhantomThief

Жыл бұрын

do you think the Drinker should start doing timestamps?

@IRMentat

Жыл бұрын

That cartoon ruined Spider-Man for me forever. It set him up as a near adult with responsibilities and an emotional yet considered approach to escalating issues. Then I tried the comics and he got retconned and he got retconned and he got retconned and he got retconned and he got retconned and then he got rebooted.

@Shockguey

Жыл бұрын

​@@IRMentat Same here. I thought the game was a serious attempt at doing an Adult Peter Parker but instead it's a retread under new context.

@Mowglibaloo2

Жыл бұрын

I agree. He was a university student which worked better I think.

@randywhite3947

Жыл бұрын

1994 not 97

Maybe it's just me, but I don't find Miles to be a likeable character. Nothing to do with his race, it's purely his attitude and apparent inability to shut up and listen for half a second. But from what I've read online, no one else seems to have a problem with that

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

Good point.

@_ripVanWinkle_

Жыл бұрын

Probably cause he's 15

@equu497

Жыл бұрын

​​@@_ripVanWinkle_ it's hard to believe this kid who doesn't seem to care about anything also cares so much about saving his city/doing good for the community. It's a failure of the writers to draw a connection between the hero and the man under the mask. Not to mention how hilariously overpowered he is despite his level of experience

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

Жыл бұрын

That's how all Spidermen act.

@hiyaitsiya1005

Жыл бұрын

Do you hate Peter too then lol

37:16 that was the reaction when I saw fellowship of the ring way back in the day. I didn't know it was a trilogy. But I'm glad they did it that way cuz it got me to read the books and I fell in love with it.

I just played through both for the first time and I noticed that TTYD used the paper aesthetic better. It used curses instead of adding extra partners. PM had too many followers and some of them were just essentially ways to ungate areas.

Idk if it was brought up in the stream, but there is precedent for the possible Lucas buyback. Saban sold the Power Rangers to Disney and later ended up buying the IP back (at a MASSIVE discount).

1:56:55 those were clearly defensive aerial bombardments. An aggressive move would have been to level the entire coliseum but maintain the arena.

Good job @DarkHour! Awesome to see someone from our community on the big stage!!

@Moscoe...

Жыл бұрын

What community?

I want them to make a Rey movie just to see how badly it will tank

Open Bar 53 already? It feels like yesterday that you had the 50 anniversary. Time flies so fast. Scary

@Mr_Smith618

Жыл бұрын

53 wild years of open bars 🥳

I think they missed the mark on Peter's characterization in this film. Aside from the whole bringing a baby into battle at the end of the film, which is pretty absurd, everything else feels very surface level in terms of criticism. This a Peter who, in the previous film, suffered from depression and emotional trauma. At the end of the film he is inspired to go back due to Miles' encouragement. In this one, it is clear how much he has achieved in the last year. He recovered his relationship with MJ, had a daughter, and has matured in emotional growth. He has become a proud, relaxed dad. Yes, he isn't as serious as the first film, but that's because he has changed. His experiences have shaped him to be a much happier person. He has a pink bath robe on....I don't understand the problem with that. I don't see how that embarrasses his character. Nor do I see it as assassination. Newsflash, being a parent is fucking hard. Especially when your baby is superhuman. Look at Jack-Jack and how much of a pain it was to raise him. The guy is wearing a bathrobe, he's fucking earned it. He wants to be comfortable. Spider HQ isn't exactly the danger zone, and he has an instant universe device on his wrist, if he feels the situation is dire enough, he'll take it seriously. It's bizarre to me how we can collectively hold that film has treated dad's like shit over the last decade, yet now when we are given a dad who is not only a good dad but a proud one, we call him weak or emasculated. And yes, I know he's wearing the bathrobe at the end of the movie. As if he can't suit up in 5 seconds with the mask and gloves. I can not only guarantee he'll suit up in the next film, but that he'll be badass. Keep your receipts and come back next year.

@vharuv4651

Жыл бұрын

Tonal deafness is a huge issue with this franchise. The bath robe shit plays into it.

@jcore0981

Жыл бұрын

@VHaruV So you just didn't read anything I wrote...cool.

@jonnywaldis8275

Жыл бұрын

I mostly agree with your interpretation of Peter's portrayal in this film, I didn't see him as weak or emasculated just relaxed father bathing in his new found Bliss. I fear however that he will still be the same in part 3 whereas he should get serious at this point. While I hope you're correct in your expectations for the next movie his deliberate choice to take the baby along and not to suit up before going, seem like clear signs of what to expect of him in the future. Since they wanted the baby in part 3 they could have simply let it tag along via the webshooters, which Peter forgot to take off while hastily tugging her in, at the last minute. Imo an easy fix. As for why they're critique seemed off to you, I believe it's hard for them to view a movie without contemplating the meta and drawing conclusions on the motivation of the makers. Az viving Peters portrayal solely as an attempt to elevate miles in comparison certainly seems like such a case. But while this approach doesn't seem ideal the problem is that movies do get made with the meta in mind. The directors of this movie stated the want to push back against people who don't view miles as simply another Spider-Man. So what's a poor critic to do?

@vharuv4651

Жыл бұрын

@@jcore0981 I read your full post. It doesn't really change the fact that PBP is mostly used for comic relief but that's not really a PBP specific issue so much as it is a symptom of writing where the comedy elements are randomly and haphazard strewn all over. And it does take away from immersion. Character assassination? No. Lame version of Peter Parker? Yes. The primary issue is that the tone of these movies is all over the place and they're very clumsy when it comes to balancing humour alongside serious moments. It's a very common issue nowadays.

@Biostar96

Жыл бұрын

It's being triggered on the opposite side. Any humorous element is automatically seen as emasculating.

I'm 35, got my papers asked a while back when buying beer, it's not impossible, especially with make-up and CGI. Not to mention, every 90's movie had 30-year-old high schoolers

Having lived across the river from Metroplis, IL, I think Az would be surprised. It’s not very big. But the play into the whole Home of Superman thing. There’s a statue of him in the town square.

In regards to the Big Lebowski reference in Endgame, Cap is given a list of movies that includes Star Wars. What happened when he saw Windu?

@TOONYBOY

Жыл бұрын

Realistically they'd just pass it off as a lookalike. People have very close lookalikes in real life

@alexhayden219

Жыл бұрын

Probably the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing from his chair meme.

@shaecouture7480

Жыл бұрын

@@TOONYBOY I actually got sent a photo of 3 guys who looked exactly like me and 2 of my friends. Down to body language, clothing and everything.

1:30:00 It's so sad to see. For the entire first ten years of the MCU, regardless of what you think of the quality of the movies, there seemed to be a real camaraderie among the casts, for the most part. Everyone seemed to really get along and seemed like best friends in interviews and acted like heroes in their personal lives for the most part, trying to be inspiring, doing occasional public outreach, visiting kids in costume, being engaging and sincere with fans, talking about how they all had an Avengers group text chat and talked every week or two just to catch up. As far as I can tell, the appearance seems to be that those bonds are still going, some stronger than others, but the heroes of the first ten years seemed to just be generally decent people (setting aside any politics) that enjoyed each other and believed in the brand. And, if they didn't like certain segments of fans, they were very diplomatic in addressing it. I think that may have started cracking with bringing Brie Larson in. I'm not blaming the entirety of what's happened since on her by any means. It's more a statement of how things started changing from the top, down. I can't know how the casts felt about her for sure, but she was immediately controversial to the public. In joint interviews, it may be a false perception, but there often seemed to be some masked animosity between her and some other cast members. Since then, we've gotten a series of people in starring roles that are actively antagonist to segments of the public, we have two villains that seem to possibly be villains in real life, there's nothing I've seen about current casts being besties or having group friend chats or visiting each other for support, we have heroes acting like villains on film that we're told within the film/series are in the right, actors and characters both come across as self-righteous narcissists... it's all just shit. And now, the only (possibly) remaining original Avenger (because Ruffalo seems to be sidelined and was always the least agreeable of the bunch, anyway) is calling out the recent films for being vapid. It's just sad to see. They tried so hard and got so far, but in the end it doesn't even matter. They decided to very proudly shit themselves.

Gwen changing her side was clearly showed... Because his dad quit and didnt become captain and didnt die.

@christiandouyon9739

Жыл бұрын

Thankyou . They keep saying its not believable and nothing explains it lol but there's literaly a scene that make her doubt Miguel's plan and it's that one.

@Shockguey

Жыл бұрын

"He's not actually a captain, he's a sergeant, so he can't die. Take that death!" This is literally Final Destination character logic. I'm going to call it out for being dumb.

@dualwieldroxas358

Жыл бұрын

Tbh, i think this is pointing towards Miles the Anomaly having a net positive result on the multiverse. He breaks canon wherever he goes, but for the most part, it works itself out (Pavitr is in Gwen's team at the end, so i think that inplies the canon disruption was stabilized). I think the next movie will revolve around how Miles can change the destiny of future Spiderpeople, and end the need for a tragedy to create/strengthen Spiderman.

I actually laughed out loud when they first showed the dead uncle bens lined up, then realized they wanted it to be a serious moment. Not two minutes later, they make a joke about uncle Ben dying. Make up your mind 😂 It was kinda funny to me that they made it so that canonically Peter has to suffer to be Spider-Man. Hitop would approve.

Miles Morales is Miles Morales and Peter Parker is Spiderman!

@virtualrealityfitness283

Жыл бұрын

👍

@tomgu2285

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. And miles morales is spiderman to and Gwen and Miguel and Jessica. They all are spiderman.

@wav522

Жыл бұрын

Miles Morales is Spider-Man and Peter Parker is Peter Parker!

@tomgu2285

Жыл бұрын

​@@wav522 based

@equu497

Жыл бұрын

Nothing "based" about eating up the lazy writing of 21st century comics

I think AZ's criticisms of Miles Morales pretty much comes from 12 years ago when the Ultimate Line of marvel comics was being written. And that really isn't the fault of even this series being based off of previously created marvel characters. On top of that, the ultimate marvel series of comics is from its own self-contained story with variations of characters not exactly the same as the normal universe, and if he would've watched the first movie, i think he wouldn't have had this criticism as much given there's not even normal Doctor Ock (hell she's a woman) or Green Goblin. Separately, Miles Morales ended up getting a lot of popularity among comics fans and even started to make his way into animated series decently often and ended up in places like the normal marvel universe due to multiversal stupidity comics likes to do every once in a while. Which is why he's ended up in the place he is today in this second movie. Overall it's not really a criticism toward even this movie, but basically the decision of some writers over a decade ago who decided to make their own universe with its own story using the names of classic characters (which are a dime a dozen for Marvel and DC), and the fact that the character got popular. I don't think this is even anyone's fault at this point and really can't be brought as a criticism toward anything we have in the modern day cultural crisis.

Disney's failure of a sequel trilogy isn't just a wound they've let fester for 6 years. It's a festering wound that they keep taking a rusty knife every couple months and gouging into it to reopen the wound so it cannot hope to heal.

Dark hour looks like joe rogan mixed with elon musk and i can never unsee this

With the Across the Spiderverse showing had the same in the cinema I went to as in hardly anyone there, there are cinemas that do these unlimited passes and think people book seats and don't turn up.

2:14:06 really glad my superchat got through and Darkhour deserves all the praise he's getting. Glad he passed 1k and got monetized. I am very fortunate to call him a friend

Agree with Mauler, Revenge of the Sith is the best Star Wars soundtrack - but overall, I’d take Howard Shore’s work on LOTR.

@Klickor

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't be surprised at all if the sound track to LotR is ever beaten in my lifetime. Some people might not like certain things in the movies but I have never seen anything but praise for the sound track. They are still doing orchestra viewings of the movie 20 years later and will probably continue to do that for decades. You don't even need to rewatch the movies to get the feeling of them. Can just close your eyes and have the music paint the scenes for you. Closest thing in art I can rate as a perfect 10/10. This from someone who have a hard time with even noticing and remembering sounds and music from movies. But I notice and remember every track from LotR without ever being taken out of it. Just sinks me deeper.

Spider-Man 2099 (Miguel O’Hara) has been my favorite since his introduction in 1992!

I thought Uncle Aaron's death in the first film was that moment for Miles

@samjohnstonemusic6328

Жыл бұрын

They explain that there’s several canon moments. 1) someone close to Spider-Man will die. (Aaron Davis.) 2) a police captain will die (George Stacy, Jefferson Davis.)

I actually really liked the opening of this movie more than the entirety of the movie itself. Spider Gwen/Ghost Spider is interesting enough within her own universe without all of this dimensional travel guff. It worked for a fun stand alone movie but it's a bit of a reach to make a trilogy out of it. I also find her shipping with Miles extremely forced. What, because they're both spider teens, they both have to have the hots for each other too? Feels hammy. The movie has some great bits but it's also oddly paced, and it's too long. The weird cliffhanger ending left me feeling like I'd been slapped with a wet fish.

@Shockguey

Жыл бұрын

Brian Michael Bendis is known for shoving his fetish into the comics he writes. That's why Miles and Gwen are a thing.

@alexhayden219

Жыл бұрын

The opening bit where it was just Gwen's backstory for a good 20 minutes was probably my favorite part. He reconnecting with her dad was also a highlight. I find the pairing of Miles and Gwen to be forced because they're both spider teens, but also because Gwen was Peter's major love interest and canon event, and now she's just passed onto the next Spider-man, too.

@poopoo7705

Жыл бұрын

Bendis has weird fetishes centered around interracial relationships

SPOILER ALERT: The thing is, Uncle Ben died due to Peter's in action when you could have easily stopped the thief. Spot potentially killing Miles dad is nothing at all like that. Even his uncle dying was not due to inaction.

So I just watched this last night and there was a line delivered by Lyla when they were doing the intervention on miles. She says “well… according to the model” So the writers clearly want to display a tension as to whether this is all necessary, and based on how Gwen’s father revoked his position as captain, saving his life WITHOUT her having to step in and save him we are swimming in unknown territory and O’Hara’s dogma is being called into question.

Heels is talking out his ass about Peter B. Parker. Not seeing the first film completely misses the entire point of that version of Peter. He is not the ideal version of Spiderman, he is the broken mentor who could not juggle everything and let it overtake him. The whole first movie is him both teaching Miles and regaining his confidence to become the hero he once was once more. Him marrying MJ and having a kid is a huge part in that development, as it shows he grew as a person and it is thanks to his mentorship of Miles that he was able to do so

I live in Ontario, fortunately the air isn't orange although the quality has dropped significantly and it smells constantly of barbecue, fortunately weve had some rain. Although i did get sick right before all this started so that didn't help.

Eeeyy, thanks for the shout-out to Fairbanks, Alaska, Mauler! Unfortunately it's only night nonstop in the winter. Right now, it's actually non-stop daytime.

Who let Babyface critique a sequel without watching the first film?

@anyaabusable9888

Жыл бұрын

Or understand the core of a character...

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

Idk, why are movies so meh/mediocre nowadays.

@harrydubois6619

Жыл бұрын

Who lets Babyface critique anything?

@dudeduderson4077

Жыл бұрын

Hate when he's on here and Nerdrotic because of how cringe he is.

@cirjaonisim1113

11 ай бұрын

Because a movie shouldn't be entirely dependent on having watched its sequels prior to watching it. A movie should have its own story and arcs for the characters. But this movie has no self contained story nor completed arcs for its characters. So HeelsvsBabyface reviewing it it's totally fine.🤷🏻‍♂️

As to star wars force philosophy, Darth Plagueis novel and Bane trilogy really go into it.

Good for heelz keep it up. Definitely made progress.

Wasn't there a Superman or Batman comic where the villain strapped a bunch of babies to himself so that the hero couldn't attack him as it would harm the babies.

I think the comment about the Flash not being able to be race-swapped had to do with Barry's dad being in prison. 2:35:00 - This, right here, is what ticks me off so much about the Blu-ray release that has a "NO" dubbed in for Vader. Completely unnecessary addition when the musical score tells you all that you need to know.

1:40:00 I have no idea of this and am just asking the question, but are theaters everywhere back to FULL full occupancy? Granted, 8 people (if not an exaggeration) isn't very many people for a theater, but it's generally a policy to call a theater sold out when there's still about 10% of seats left. Additionally, there was reduced occupancy because of Covid. That's largely faded out, but I wonder if there's still some restrictions across the board or if certain chains still have their own heightened restrictions and call a theater sold out when it's closer to 25% of seats emptey or something like that. just wondering. Personally, the shows I've gone to haven't been very full, but they also aren't said to be sold out. If you look at actual number of seats sold, you'll easily see that the record breakers of today that are forming the top grossers of all time are actually selling about 3/4 the number of tickets that comparable movies did ten years ago. Movie theaters are STILL dying, but slowly. They're just charging a lot more per ticket. just as we're constantly wondering about the secret numbers for streaming, Hollywood doesn't highlight the number of tickets sold. Sure, financially, they care how much money they're making. But culturally and for longevity, the actual number of tickets sold is really more important. Just looking at James Cameron, while Avatar made more and still holds the record for box office, Titanic is still his most successful picture, selling approaching 60 million more tickets (out of 383 million tickets total) than Avatar. But Avatar is sitting at $650 million more than Titanic. Avatar 2 seats sold numbers seem to be harder to nail down, as far as I can find, but I'm seeing estimates that, while it is sitting at $600 million less (about 80% of Avatar's total), it may have sold just over half the number of tickets (final number pending, as I couldn't find a concrete number, though it did see that the opening weekend seats sold was about 60% of Avatar's). To conclude, I'm just wondering if "sold out" officially means less sold out than "sold out" used to mean.

2:13:00 - DeNiro was in 2005's "Limitless" opposite Bradley Cooper. One of the best science fiction movies *ever*! (The one season we got of the TV series was also great.)

Obi wan could’ve been fucking awesome. As I was watching it I was just completely in shock how bad it actually was. That said, fallen order and Jedi survivor was fucking incredible. I’m praying they don’t stick cal in any of the bs live action shows. Cal kestis’s story as it is with no changes would be an incredible trilogy.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

Such a waste of such a good story.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

Жыл бұрын

Survivor is still a broken game.

@MrJabbothehut

Жыл бұрын

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p yeah calling it incredible is a stretch. First one was fantastically solid but the second really didt hit the same.

@Seacai150

Жыл бұрын

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p the only issue I’ve had so far is figuring out how to do the bounties. I’m on Xbox series x btw.

I'm just surprised ATSV portrayed not one, but TWO cops as good people! In this day and age.

@DaPhantomThief

Жыл бұрын

do you think the Drinker should start doing timestamps?

@harrydubois6619

Жыл бұрын

Depends on your definition of good. Gwen’s dad wore the troon flag on his shirt.

@alexhayden219

Жыл бұрын

"The only good cop is a dead cop." - Canon Events, probably

I strongly feel like that the pacing problems in this film were because they clearly broke this movie into two parts and they padded out the plot to fill time.

@Zepher0987

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say padded, necessarily. I bet once we have both parts, percentage-wise, things will line up fine.

@eespinola

Жыл бұрын

@@Zepher0987 I'm not trying to say the scenes were really bad or anything, but there's a lot of scenes (especially in the first half) that moved surprisingly slow (not boring, just with lots of vibes and unessential details and scenes)... That is until the "to be continued" showed up.

@dualwieldroxas358

Жыл бұрын

Rumor has it this was because Spider Gwen was supposed to have her own special that tied directly into Spiderverse, but the projecf was too expensive, so they had to merge it with Spiderverse

Bro Denis Villanueva got the dystopian future completely photo accurate

Az had the PERFECT Hollywood Squares reaction to being introduced. 10/10

Is it just me, or does Miguel O’Hara awfully looks like Gypsy Crusader?

@imperius88

Жыл бұрын

Gypsy is my boy 😂

@harrydubois6619

Жыл бұрын

I knew Miguel was my favorite Spider-Man for a reason

Watched the first one a few nights ago and walked away just feeling "meh." Looks beautiful, but wasn't entirely engaged by it.

@drumsandroses22

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I have to watch it again.

I couldn’t help but feel that the character of Peter was race swapped to Miles. Also, was it just me or does Miles work better as Prowler?

@whateverkat8122

Жыл бұрын

In the comics sure lol

I could listen to The Little Platoon talk about anything. He has an angelic accent. I was slightly disappointed to hear him say he couldn’t even finish Spider-Verse. I am pretty critical, but I adore that movie. It was dripping with style and the most fun I’ve had watching a movie in theaters in a very long time.

As regards Platoon's complaint about spider-punk's "fighting fascists" line (~35:00): That got an eyebrow raise and a grimace out of me at first, but by the end of the movie I felt spider-punk was quite fittingly an anarchist to the core and from first principles, such that he would label ANY hierarchical institution as fascist. The line seeming to come from his first principles makes it more universal, since an anarchist in any place at any time would throw it at basically any government (or government institution). Looking back it almost feels hackneyed or redundant from his position. I'm inclined to chuckled at it now in the same way as the exchange from The Last of Us TV series: "The government are fascists!" "They are now, but they weren't then!"

@Arander92

9 ай бұрын

Spider-Punk’s universe is literally ruled by fascist corporations. That’s really all it is

1:37:00 I've been on the Miles Morales movie and they had the trailer of the blue beatle or scarab or something, back to back with the flash trailer. And then in the beatle trailer they have that line that Batman is a fascist. Then almost immediately after there was Keaton asking me if I wanna go nuts... I fucking laughed out loud which doesn't happen often for me in cinema. I was fucking wheezing after that and I wasn't alone. Some people even just said of fuck off...

it's a bit weird for Heelz to comment on the character of Peter B Parker if he hasn't seen the first film. Sure the bathrobe didn't need to be pink but the dude spends the first film walking around with his stomach hanging out over dirty sweatpants. Dignity wasn't part of his character, except when he was being spiderman. The characters entire arc is the mirror of Miles, who needs to learn to be spiderman, B Parker needed to learn to be Peter Parker again. tbh B Parker should have been a cameo or a Dagobah kinda interlude where he sides with Miles against the others

@Shockguey

Жыл бұрын

"Except when he was being Spider-Man" So is he Spider-Man or not? Because if what you're saying is true that might have been intentional.

I am glad that Az finally found his True father after all these years.

1:47:35 MauLer tries to pronounce that one city in Wales with the longest name. I think there's a video of a weatherman doing it too on air.

Be nice to see Reaper on the after hours as well

The flaw with this movie. Is that miles is the only one who fights against this idea. Because truly spiderman(og) would never agree to this. Miles did tbe most spiderman thing but it's weird he's the only one.

Henry still blowing his own trumpet. That was 20 years ago….time for a new legend. Captain Jack is here!

In my theater for spider verse a mom dropped off her kids so she could go watch the little mermaid, half way through she returned and watched the rest of spider verse instead of finishing the little mermaid

They are saying that Miles is the one spider-man version where a death leads a negative character development. So everyone will be motivated to save his father in the next movie.