As an A350 pilot myself, I can say that the HUD can be quite mesmerising at times, making you focus solely on the info displayed on it. Also, during night time, the HUD’s light is quite bright, even if you dim it down to minimum brightness. No one can say, yet, that the HUD played a role in this accident, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it did. With that said, let’s wait for the report.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Yes, of course.. That idea suddenly came up on me while I was landing at night.

It's great to have perspective from an airline pilot instead of speculation of totally unqualified news media.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Hi~ Thank you so much for saying it like that. That was just an assumption or speculation.. whatever.. but pretty much likely to happen, I think..

@StephenKarl_Integral

4 ай бұрын

It's also great to have constructive, informative and honest minded discussions with anyone despite not being a pilot or engineer, because pilots or engineers sure know their job well, but can't possibly know everything, lambda enthusiasts may have no say for how an HUD works in depth, but they, unlike pilots, have plenty of time to do researches along the decades and piece everything together from psychological behaviors, investigations findings similarities and differences, cultures, to aircraft types and subtleties... Medias sure are keen to drama type statements, I find some anonymous anyone comments much more valuable than most videos above them, and except some blatant dense stubborn noisy trolls we (real enthusiasts) should intercept and tame, most empty or invaluable comments should be discarded. As per the HUD, I absolutely agree, it did play a (distracting) role, because even without, at night time, while spotting lined up aircraft (especially the smaller ones) in the runway axis from behind, I barely distinguish aircraft lights from airport lights. It's even harder with CAT III approach lights. Add an HUD with greenish stripes and numbers on top, plus the distance and airborne state of an aircraft on final, through windshield (optical flare), atmospheric haze, the fatigue of a 10 hour duty, the visual focus in a vibrating and constantly moving vehicle... If it's difficult for me to outline a lined up ATR on a steady hilltop chilling with my snack and bottle without anything between me and the runway half a mile away, how it is for the pilots? I can't blame the JAL crew for spotting the Dash 8 too late, HUD or not. Does it means the HUD poses a safety threat? Bold answer is YES absolutely, but that's both a trivia and a *stupid* conclusion IMO. We can raise the safety concern, but at the same time, an honest mind must not forget the *purpose* of the HUD and what *threats* its implementation and standardization actually addressed in the first place. By deeming the HUD to be a safety hazard after this sad accident, to, later, try to remove it from onboard systems of every airliner, you reintroduce former safety threats that had been addressed. That's not the solution I believe. HUD is there to reduce reaction time for a sustained stabilized approach, to cross check callouts, and mitigate (false positive) attitude indicator instrument failure (so you don't spend 15 crucial seconds to diagnose which instrument gives incorrect information). The actual error in this accident is *runway incursion,* broadly, space usage conflicts where multiple vehicles use one runway at the same time, or multiple vehicles cross paths (crossing active runways, paths with separation concerns, traffic space boundaries, traffic control on multiple frequencies..) To address those, removing the HUD, or enforcing caution on optical distraction *is not enough,* actual improvements involves much much more, traffic monitoring personnel vigilance, safety systems, better regulations and well thought compromises in edge cases (not all airports are equipped, not all airports have the same rules when there are mixed civil and military operations, etc), meaning training and safety threats magnification wherever applies. Noone should be a slacker and hope for someone else to back him/her off. Finally, this is very similar to the USAir 737-300 and Metro accident, I note several decades in between.. I don't undermine the gravity of this tragedy, but such occurrence doesn't happen every year, meaning the uttermost *caution* before taking a decision that could so easily get biased. I understand the author of the video is not against the HUD (on the contrary, great), but other people voicing their opinion (incl. those who will come up with some changes in the industry) can have their own bias, must understand what's the purpose of every system and threats concerns/corresponding regulations, before making conclusions. We can remind them of that, they do get aware at some point of public opinion as they can't ignore tax payers's concerns and must probe the situation by reading social media. There is no such thing as "HUD is bad", everything is good or bad depending on what one focuses, but to be relevant, one should prioritize *the purpose, what something is used for,* then remind the drawbacks, to finally think of improvements/complementary solutions, if available and realistically applicable : do HUD should include red TCAS type warnings when available, plus a red *caution* reminder when unavailable? Do we need to further enforce clear/exempt of doubts communication for situational awareness upon runway operation/occupancy (we remind in many airports, incoming traffic may enter the frequency as late as a couple minutes before touchdown, and not be aware of initial communication, that an aircraft is lined up and waiting..) In the industry, you don't rely solely on "the rules and the systems", someone breaking/overstepping them happens all the time, a professional comes up with a solution post violation, doesn't waste time and energy blaming the situation til it's too late. I mean, expecting a perfect world is futile, there is no choice but cope live with whatever happens despite everything (systems and qualifications) seemingly already top notch; risk zero and absolute fail safe doesn't exist.

Excellent Review. I am a retired Airline Pilot that flew most of those aircraft depicted. One thing that showed clearly with the video is the Coast Guard plane had their strobes on. So without ADSB they were just cluttered in the runway landing lights. HUD might be a factor, but the Coast Guard plane was totally illuminated with their strobes. Most airlines don’t turn on takeoff lights till cleared for takeoff. The investigation will show what kind of ground conflict radar the tower had with alarms.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Yes.. I'm also looking forward to seeing the investigation report.. and strobe lights are normally flashing 180 degrees to outward from the wing tips, and the tail side of Dash-8 was shown to JAL pilots since they lined up already.. I personally don't think that it was clearly visible 😥

I totally agree with you. There was a greater onus of responsibility on the Coast Guard crew to perform a lookout when entering the runway despite a perceived permission from ATC to go ahead. A quick glance out the right hand window before rolling forward from the hold short line would have shown three brilliant landing lights from the A350. I cannot help but think pilot fatigue (Coast Guard plane) and difficulty with using english language contributed to this accident.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

You could be right.. I personally think that the coast guard pilots must have been in a hurry for some reasons.. That's how they ended up missing important procedure (checking the final before entering the runway)

@Swaggerlot

4 ай бұрын

@@captainjksaviationlife248 They also lined up and sat on the runway for sometime, thus may not have been alerted to the lights of the JAL aircraft. No defence as nothing indicates that they were given permission to enter. CRM should have involved both CG pilots in that action.

@channelsixtyeight068_

4 ай бұрын

Agreed, fatigue seems to be the most likely explanation of why the pilot of JA722A ended up where he did.

@Coops777

4 ай бұрын

@@Swaggerlot I agree completely. Knowing it was a very busy time, extra care should have been taken before entering a dual purpose (landing AND takeoff) runway

@yo2trader539

2 ай бұрын

Fatigue is no excuse for this accident, at least according to what's being reported in Japanese media. Japan Coast Guard plane was waiting on the runway for 40 seconds before the crash. Last radio communication was 2 minutes before the crash. Based on post-accident interviews of the sole surviving Coast Guard pilot, he believed that his plane was given clearance to enter the runway. (They were basically just waiting on the runway to take off. Next thing he noticed was fire/explosion, and he crawled out.) All Japanese airports no longer use "Number 1" after this accident, because they fear it may have inadvertently contributed to the miscommunication. While the blame of initial communication error and runway incursion can be attributed to the Coast Guard pilot, Haneda's controllers didn't realize a runway incursion for 40 seconds despite having indications on their screens. (It occurred during New Years Holiday, everybody may had a skeleton crew.) The JAL pilots have said in their interviews with investigators that they didn't see the JGC plane on the runway. They're not completely faultless either.

You are totally right. In the 787, it happened to me not to be able to spot an aircraft 200 meters ahead on a taxiway at night because of the hud

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Yepp! It's briliant device but sometimes.. so especially on the ground I tend to dim it all the way down to min.

One possible explanation. But also night time at a busy airport is full of lights. Also, as we get closer to the runway, we look towards the end of the runway to get the necessary perspective for judging the height to initiate flare. So our focus is no longer on the touchdown zone making it easier to miss seeing the aircraft in the TDZ area. A terrible accident. Caused most likely by a breakdown in communication somewhere.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I thought and said in my previous video. 100% agreed!!

Excellent analysis. It does appear that the HUD imagery on the left side could have completely covered over the coast guard plane and made it invisible-especially if the pilots failed to dim the HUD sufficiently to be able to have sen the other aircraft. May all those who perished in this terrible runway mishap all R.I.P.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment one of possible speculations but as a pilot who has been using it.. very much likely to not see the plane at the touchdown.. R.I.P!!

If the airline requires always using the HUD landing maybe. I think by the time of becoming an airline pilot you should already always have stabilized approaches not needing the HUD. Conditions weren't bad from what I heard.

기장님! 1월 16일 LAX 공항 Terminal B에서 다른 조종사분들과 함께 지나가시는거 봤던 한 구독자 입니다! ㅎㅎ 인사드릴려고 했으나 순식간이였기에 인사를 못 드렸네요.. 그래도 실제로 뵐 수 있어서 영광이였습니다 ㅎㅎ 이번 영상도 감사드리고 have a safe flight!

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

아 ㅎㅎㅎ 그러셨군요.. 아는 척 해 주셨으면 저도 인사 한번 드리는건데.. 아쉽습니다~ 늘 감사드리고.. 혹시나 또 보신다면 꼭 아는 척 해 주셔요^^ 좋은 하루 되십쇼 😄

오늘 너무 많은 공부가 되었던 귀한 영상 감사합니다 기장님 늘 오가시는 취항지까지 안전비행하세요~🙇‍♀️🛫✈️

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

너무 감사한 댓글.. 고맙습니다!! 😊

Very nice video and narration. I am retired after 30 years and 20 in the 757 767. I have to agree with you about HUD could have made it harder to see the aircraft in the touchdown zone. It will be interesting to see what the investigation shows.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Thanks 😊 why don't we wait and see until the official report is released

I've commented about this on a few channels. One other factor is this HUD doesn't seem to be focused to infinity.

You have a good point, Captain ! Happy Landings !

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for commenting! Have a great day, sir 😄👍🏻

Has there been a statement that the JAL pilot didn't see anything until after they hit? It would have been hard enough to see, but even if they had, from 100 feet altitude or less, they couldn't have changed anything. It's clear from the recordings, that they were to go to the hold point, not onto the runway. That's all that matters.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Yes, I heard the interview from JAL pilots saying that they didn't know they hit an airplane.. In all the accidents, it does not happen with only one issue.. It's a shame that it went all the way through the holes of slices of cheese 😥

Have seen many comments from a350 pilots confirming that the HUD makes it difficult to see things on the runway. Have also seen comments that the dash 8 red beacon on its tail is unusually dim. And have seen comments that airline practice differs vis a vis turning on landing lights for takeoff, some do it when rolling onto the runway, others only when actually starting the takeoff roll

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

As I saw the crash video.. it was really hard to identify DASH-8 even I was staring exactly the spot!!

787 captain here to concur with your point 😊

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Thank you 😊

Great points! Excellent comparison of a night approach to landing on a large and well lite runway. Due to natural limitations of our eyes we can only focus on one object and not multiple and focusing on the symbology of the HUD then one could miss a plane like a Dash-8 mixed into all the runway lights.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Thanks and I can't agree more to your comment! 👍

100% spot on. 787 driver..

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Thanks!! 😄👍🏻

There were multiple things that contributed to the accident. No one person was at fault. The HUD may have been a factor but I don’t think it played a major part. Most major airports would have a system to detect possible conflicts and warn the controller. It doesn’t look as though Haneda has this.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

As far as I can tell.. Haneda has that system but it didn't work properly. That's what I heard..

I have seen the heads-up display on cars and it would very distracting. I have a hard enough time with reflections on the wind shield. The heads up display as demonstrated seems to block anything one would want to see on the runway. I don't think that the heads-up display is safer than a clear wind screen.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

It is like love, hate relationship. Once one got used to it, it's magically awesome but like you said.. it is true that it can be disruptive as well

Excellent point. Also why didn’t the JAL crew see the traffic on the ND traffic display? I understand the Coast Guard plane did not have ADSB, but it still should’ve had a transponder which would display on the ND

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Hello~ hi! Thanks for the comment.. Unless I'm mistaken, traffic on the ground is not displayed on the ND to the planes that are still in the air. Not 100% sure but I don't think I've seen any traffic on the ground at my ND while I was on approach.

@bkailua1224

4 ай бұрын

@@captainjksaviationlife248 Airliner transponders have an air ground switch so when they are on the ground the transponder is in the ground mode and air mode in the air. Ground mode is so they do not show up and give airborne traffic false warnings.

Good video. My comment to your last comment is that the Japan Airlines pilots most likely , almost certainly didn't expect an aircraft on the runway

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Hi.. yes, that's my guess. "IF" they had had some doubt.. like.. there could be any traffic lined up on the runway.. it might have been more likely to find it

영상들 빠짐없이 둘러보았습니다 매번 댓글을 달아주시는게 인상깊네요

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

대단치 않은 영상들 시청해 주시는걸로도 고마운데 댓글까지.. 너무 감사한 일이죠 😅

조종사에게 더 안전한 환경을 제공해주려는 장치들이 불행을 만들었다는게 참 안타까운 사건인거 같습니다…

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

일단 사고 조사 보고서가 정식으로 나와봐야 정확한 얘기가 나오겠죠. 일단 착륙하는 조종사들이 충돌때까지도 보지 못했던 건 분명 이유가 있으리라 생각해서 개인적으로 추론한 이야기입니다~

5000 hr instructor here. Aircraft on a runway with new LED type strobes are impossible to see by an aircraft on short final at night.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

1000 % agreed! New types of strobe lights with LED look just pretty but they are way less likely to be seen for this kind of moment..

@beyondEV

4 ай бұрын

@@captainjksaviationlife248 Would not be the slightest issue for a camera based recognition system. it's so important to understand, what humans are good at and what software is good at. and then design with this in mind.

다시는 이런 사고가 일어나지 않길 바라며...😢 오늘도 귀한 영상 감사합니다!

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

늘 고맙습니다! 사고 나지 말아야죠 ㅠㅠ

Missing most important aspect, human error, fatigue, complacency, distress time after earthquake

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

You're right! 👍

@StephenKarl_Integral

4 ай бұрын

You're right. Though, I watched (listened to) the video again. Author didn't claim HUD was the culprit, just explained why JAL pilots were 90% unable to do their part of the job to avoid the collision, and if HUD was in use, how can one blame them on that failed last line of defense? (implicit question prompting the search of threat mitigation/system and procedures improvements.. It's like taking the time to go deep analyzing and trying to come up with something better about the HUD concern, among - albeit not mentioned - many others, some obviously more serious. Just to clarify 🙂

The question as to why the JAL pilots did not see the Coastguard Dash 8 must be asked. Not to blame them but to find out why. I’ve never flown with a HUD but even without one it is difficult to see aircraft in the touchdown zone at night. I know from experience. We must also bear in mind that the only stationary area on the windshield is the touchdown zone. Everything dissipates away from this spot (textural flow). Anything static in this zone will have no relative movement making it less obvious and harder to see and recognise.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

can't agree more with your comment sir!

Hi and good video but to me the view seems clearer with no HUD? Just my opin.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

You're right, the view without HUD is way cleaner than with it!

HUD가 없으니까 빛이 분산되서 보이네요 오늘 또 하나 배워갑니다❤❤❤

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

실제 보이는 모습은 화면에서 보이는 것보다 더 HUD가 크고 강조되어 보입니다. 이번 사고로 좀더 세밀한 주의가 필요할것 같아요. 오늘도 댓글 감사합니다~!!

개연성 있는 지적이라고 생각합니다. 20년전에 BMW 5시리즈에 HUD가 처음 장착되었을때, 일부 사용자들은 끄고 다니기도 했습니다. 시야를 방해한다는 이유였고요, 적응하는데에 시간이 좀 필요하기도 했죠. 실제 사용해보면 시야를 계기반으로 내릴 필요도 없고, 촛점을 크게 변경할 필요도 없습니다. 정보가 앞유리에 반사되는 것이지만.. 체감상으로는 차앞 도로 전방 2~3미터 쯤에 떠 있는 것으로 보입니다. 자동차의 경우보다 비행기는 시야가 몇 백미터로 더 길고 정보도 휠씬더 많다보니 시야를 가릴 수도 있겠다 싶습니다만.. HUD 사용 경험이 많은 조종사가.. 그것도 두명이 동시에 보지 못했다는 점은 여전히 의문이 듭니다.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

안녕하세요, 댓글 감사드립니다! 자동차의 HUD는 전방 시야의 일부를.. 그것도 다소 아랫쪽에 깔려 본넷 바로 상단만을 가리게 되지만, 비행기의 그것은 광범위한 범위에 걸쳐 각종 정보들이 위치합니다. 조종사들은 HUD에 촛점을 맞추고, 필요에 따라 촛점을 활주로로 이동시키는 데 불편함을 느끼진 않습니다. 물론 적응 기간이 지났을 때 얘기지만요... 하지만 문제는.. 그렇다 하더라도, 여전히 중요한 가운데의 큐심볼은 정확히 접지하는 touchdown zone에 위치를 하고 있기 때문에 뭔가 다른 불빛을 가릴 여지는 충분하다고 보여집니다. 차라리 보안청 항공기가 미리 들어와 있지 않고, 들어오고 있는 중이었다면 발견되었을 소지가 크지 않았나 싶은 아쉬움도 있습니다.

The HUD certainly didn't help. HUD is an amazing tool during IFR approaches (we are certified to Cat3a minimas, hand flown landings, with a HUD on the DHC8-400) but in visual conditions at night I find it's hard to get the correct HUD brightness VS the runway lights. HUD too bright and the runway lights get masked, or HUD too dim (or runway lights too bright) and now the HUD is washed out. But despite this the HUD is a fantastic tool. Like many aircrafts the DHC8 is not a highly visible aircraft at night as seen from the rear, even with the strobes and beacon on. Even if the pilots knew there was a plane at the threshold and specifically looking for it they may not even have been able to see it.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

I absolutely agree with your opinion.. I believe lots of pilots including me have been struggling to set the proper brightness of the HUD at night. Even it's awesome to use but sometimes I wish I didn't have it at all..

@beyondEV

4 ай бұрын

@@captainjksaviationlife248 The trouble my less be the HUD and more a distinct lack of functionality. Picture recognition software may not be the best a pickup up and deciphering the hole picture. but it is absolutely superior to humans in picking up the distinct frequency of a airplanes storbo lights. and highlight them, especially on a HUD. without that, it could still trigger a warning. would require to tune the aircraft lights on a different strobo freq. than any other strobos present on a airport. (warning is triggered, when any strobos with the correct freq. are detected in the path of the airplane.) think this is one of the weaknesses of the air industry, to properly analyse where to use automation as a support and how to train pilots to work with and not against their technical aids. of course, commercial pressure has and will be a major factor to keep upgrades to both to a minimum.

@carlveilleux5744

4 ай бұрын

Love/hate relationship! Sometimes I'm like "get this thing out of my view" but when I don't have it (MEL) I'm missing something! :-) First real Cat2 I've done with it was at night: dim HUD, all is good. Then we break out at minimums, with about a thousand runway lights at full intensity shining right at us.Completely washed out, the HUD is now useless when I need it to flare and no time to crank up the brightness. Oh well. Lesson learned!@@captainjksaviationlife248

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

@@carlveilleux5744 That's exactly what I'd like to say.. "Love/hate relationship" 😂😂

Do pilots see the landing zone when in the flare and mains on ground while nose still in the air? This combined with HUD would certainly add to loss of sight of the runway touchdown zone.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Yes, at the moment they touches down the angle of the plane is normally 3~4 degrees.. which means nose gear is still in the air

Your video on the differences between Boeing and Airbus was so good that I subscribed and here, is another great video with information that I hardly come by. There is a journalist in you, again thank you! I am now wiser.

@captainjksaviationlife248

3 ай бұрын

hahaha.. your comment means a lot to me! 😊

Two factors: 1. The brightness of the HUD decreases the eye's ability to see dark objects 2. HUD symbology at the projected touchdown spot washed out the CG aircraft.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Agreed~!!

The only chance the pilots had to see the coast guard plane would be because it blocked the view of several runway lights. In the 777 landing there were several lights on the right hand side not illuminated, so maybe pilots are used to that and could have seen some lights which were blocked by the coast guard plane but assumed they were just defective. How many lights would the coast guard plane have blocked view of? It would be interesting to do a simulated landing approach with both planes to see what the JAL cockpit view would have been.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

HI~ In the video of 777, the lights that were not be visible were due to taxiway linked to the runway.. and it's not Hanada Tokyo. Like you said, it's maybe helpful to simulate the same situation in the simulator but it can only go so far since it's quite different in the view that is seen to pilots In reality, the runway lights tend to be seen brighter than simulators.

Were both pilots HUDs in the down position? Maybe SOP should be only one at a time. These incursions are happening during daylight hours as well. The HUD could have been a contributing factor but not the underlying one. At some point I believe we will see some sort of detection equipment for aircraft on the ground. Installed in both aircraft but also in the tower. It should be feasible & affordable.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Yes, all the airlines have the same policy that both pilots have to have them down all the time so far. But I believe that some kind of a change in that SOP would be happening from this accident. I've been told that our company is considering to introduce new SOP, like only pilot flying use HUD during approach and landing which I think is safer and more understandable.

Some new unusual situations are happening and humans learn the hard way.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Exactly sir!!

Nice video pilot!

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for your comment! 😄

안녕하세요 기장님. 영상 잘 보고 있습니다. HUD가 위험요인이 될 수 있다는 것은 정말 생각하기 쉽지 않은 부분인 것 같은데, 라인에서 HUD달린 787을 타시며 밥먹듯 이것을 사용하시는 분으로서, 그럴 수 있다는 가능성을 제기하시는 것이 참 적절하고도 날카로운 지적이라고 생각됩니다. 부디 사고조사관들이 이런 점도 충분히 고려할 수 있길 바라게 되네요... 그나저나 개인적으로 궁금한 게 생깁니다. 라인에서 실제 운항하시면서, 야간에 HUD 프로젝션을 얼마 정도로 디밍해야 한다는 구체적인 프로시져나 레퍼런스를 갖고 운용하시게 돠어 있나요? 아님 파일럿 각자의 재량에 맡겨져 있는 건가요? 늘 좋은 영상 감사합니다 😊

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

안녕하세요~ 결과론적 얘기는 아니고 어디까지 개인적인 추론입니다. 조사 결과 보고서에 상세히 나오리라 생각합니다. HUD는 각자 개인의 취향대로 디밍을 합니다. 개인적으로 저는 낮에도 좀 희미하게 보는 편이라 밤에는 보이는듯 마는 듯 세팅을 하고 비행해요. 원래 330을 오래 탔던지라, 737NG 에서 3년 정도 추가로 HUD 경험이 있지만 어떤 때는 없는 게 편하기도 합니다. 너무 편하게 해 놓은 장비라서요^^;

@jpk7730

4 ай бұрын

@@captainjksaviationlife248 아하 그렇군요 감사합니다! 문득 생각해본 건데, 자동차도 보면 보통 전조등 켰을 때 계기판 등 모든 실내 광원들이 주간보다는 디밍되도록 강제적으로 셋팅되어 있기도 하고, 비행기도 칵핏은 물론이거나와 캐빈도 이착륙 시에는 암순응으로 외부에 더 집중하고 유사시 도움이 되도록 실내를 디밍하잖아요. 제가 저번에 737 허드를 볼 기회가 있었는데 실물이 엄청 두껍더라고요. 그렇게 허드라는 두꺼운 유리장 한 겹을 더 마주하고 바깥을 보게 하는 건, 마치 자동차에 짙은 틴팅한 것 같은 효과를 줄 수 있겠구나 지금 생각이 드는데, 거기에 더해 제법 쎈 강도의 그린 라이트를 반사시켜서 보기까지 한다면, 어느모로든 그것만으로도 시야에 상당한 제한을 줄 수 있겠다는 생각이 드네요. 최종 보고서 나오기까지 기다려야겠지만, 만일 이런 점이 지적된다면 무언가 개선점이 생기지 않을까 생각도 됩니다. 항상 안전운항하시길 기원합니다!

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

@@jpk7730 말씀 너무 감사드리구요.. 처음 기장 교육을 하던 737에서 대부분 HUD 경험이 전무하던 기장 교육생들이 참 고생이 많았습니다. 아무것도 없던 내 시야에 그런 장비가 끼어드니 답답하기 그지 없었고, 둥실둥실 떠 다니는 초록색 정보들이 도움될 때까지 시간도 꽤 걸렸죠 ㅎㅎ 적응되고 나니 얼마나 편하고 좋던지요.. 암튼 기장 교육 패스하려면 HUD를 뚫어야 한다는 말이 잇었는데, 그 말은 즉, 허드를 보되 착륙할 때는 촛점을 자연스레 활주로로 옮길 수 있어야 한다.. 뭐 그런 의미였습니다^^

Very interesting. It is a theory I had not considered. Thank you. Something else I noticed on the HUD display. The lack of TCAS threat symbols. I have never used a HUD before. Do you know if TCAS symbols are displayed on the HUD? I don't know. I assume the Coast Guard plane had its transponder on once it entered the runway, so they should have appeared the JAL's navigation displays. That is a big assumption on my part. Excellent video. Safe travels. Cheers.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!! As far as I can tell.. TCAS never displays ground traffic to the plane in the air. And when RA triggered, HUD will show the pilot either to climb or descend

@yhird

4 ай бұрын

@@captainjksaviationlife248 Thank you.

Good point

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Thanks!!

Because focusing on the HUD, they did not LOOK at the runway incursion as it would harder to see thru the HUD screen. Great JOB JK!

@ae747sp5

4 ай бұрын

I have the same problem in my car driving at night.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Hello~ thanks! Most of the pilots are able to see things coming back and forth through the HUD combiner but the problem is still there. Even they are seeing the runway environment through it, the symbols on the HUD are still blocking some of the touchdown zone.

익숙해서 대충대충 하는 습관이 드는 참이었는데 비행은 항상 더블 체크도 부족함을 다시 느끼고 갑니다!

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

안녕하세요, 맞습니다 늘 더블첵을 해야합니다!

Retired airline pilot here. I agree with this conjecture here that the HUD was definitely a disruptive visibility contributor in assessing the touchdown area in a night landing. The anti-collision light should have set off some sort of "something not right here" warnings/feelings in the cockpit though. These are just my own opinions only. Maybe the pilot flying should be the only one utilizing the HUD while the non-flying pilot becomes the situation awareness pilot. Just MHO. I never had the option of a HUD. Just basic instruments only so I'm having a hard time trying to justify (in my mind) why the JAL pilots didn't notice something amiss in the landing area.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Hello captain.. sir! Never be justified but as you might expect even without HUD, it is not easy to see something stationary at the touchdown zone at night 😰 Maybe better SOP should be revised soon after the official report saying the HUD was one of the contributors.. like one pilot should be monitoring without HUD.

Even if the pilots of JA13XJ did see JA722A on the runway, wouldn't there have been insufficient time to do anything anyway? From the article I read, JA13XJ was only seconds from touching down, with no time at all to abort the landing. It was a tragic accident on the part of the unfortunate pilot of JA722A. I'm sure under more normal circumstances, he would not have placed his aircraft in that position.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

To be able to do a safe go around, they must see the plane early enough.. Pilots in a hurry made this tragic accident I guess.

역시 실질적인 포인트를 짚어주시네요. 플레어기동시 제한되는 Line of sight에다가 hud상 격자정도면 정말 쉽진 않겠다는 생각이 듭니다. 물론 반짝이는 스트롭 라이트가 있지만 사람들은 거기에 비행기가 있을거라 초집중하지 않는게 어찌보면 더 자연스러우니까요. 특히 하네다를 적어도 한달에 수십번은 들락날락할 jal 조종사들이라면 더 그렇겠어요

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

지식 수준이 높아 보이세요.. 조종사로서 참 안타깝고 너무 놀란 사고라서 아직도 기분이 묘합니다 ㅠㅠ

@RacerYun

4 ай бұрын

기장님께서 칭찬해주시니 몸둘바를 모르겠습니다. 다소 먼지는 끼었지만 cpl 트레이닝 당시 배운 것들을 토대로 기장님 비디오 보고 생각한 내용들에 불과합니다.

@RacerYun

4 ай бұрын

조사결과가 나와봐야겠지만 최근 사고중 가장 어쩔 수 없는 human error가 두드러져 보여 더 묘하고 안타까운것 같습니다.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

@@RacerYun 그러게 말입니다 ㅠㅠ 인간이면 실수라는 걸 피할 수는 없는데.. 그래도 아쉬운 부분들이 보여서 저도 안타까운 맘이 너무 크네요.

The coat guard plane was not broadcasting ADSB out. SO the airliner go no TCAS resolution indicating there was an imminent collision

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Hello~ Thanks for comment.. Almost all the airlines have ADS-B now but it doesn't mean that pilots can see the traffic on any instrument of the airplane in the air. TCAS has several modes to set. Traffic on the ground sets it to the one that only air traffic controllers could identify. Pilots in the air can only see the traffic in the air.. ground traffic never show on the TCAS or ND. So like.. there would not have been any warning to JAL pilots in the first place

@briancooney9952

4 ай бұрын

@@captainjksaviationlife248 It was reported early on that the coast guard plane was not broadcasting adsb. Had they been, tower would've seen them, and other aircraft could've. When i fly, i see aircraft on the runway. Aircraft on the runway are supposed to be broadcasting. The only time they aren't, is in non movement areas.

Very interesting information and I could see how the HUD might have made the coast guard plane unnoticeable. Such a tragic incident.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Yes, indeed.. thanks for comment~!

Lets be fair, you couldn't even see the Dash8 in the CCTV footage until Impact, The plane wasn't moving, just sitting there. Its LAX1997 all over again. At night and in weather, and even during the day - See and Avoid is a MYTH. In all collissions by the time the other is seen, its too late. - Espcially in midair crashes. Most runway crashes occur at night or in poor weather when visability is reuced. Now perhaps if they had Thermal cameras they might have been able to spot it, but that's about it. Had this happened during the day the A350 would have gone around

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

It's still a question.. I guess.. Most of the pilots have never expected something was standing there. Like you said here,, if Dash8 had been coming into the runway at the moment 350 was about to cross the threshold.. it might have been different, I think.. they could have seen it somehow..

@zeusmultirotor8479

4 ай бұрын

I agree, probably would have been seen by the 350 if not sitting there. Human eye sight is optimized to detected movement, especially where its unexpected@@captainjksaviationlife248

Thanks Captain for sharing your point of views regarding the incident . I was wondering what’s the duty of Co-pilot? Do they helping the pilot screening the runway?

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Copilot's duty is to monitor captain's flying if he or she makes proper actions required for the phase of flight. Also, the copilot is watching the same thing as captain does.. and of course he talks to air traffic controllers.

아직 정확한 발표를 봐야겠지만, 인전을 위한 HUD가 오히려 안전에 방해가 됐을가능성도 있군요.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

네 정식 조사보고서가 나와봐야 정확한 원인이 나오겠죠! 늘 그렇지만 이번 사고도 아숴운 부분이 많습니다 ㅜㅜ

크루들과 디스커션 으로 이번사고는 복합적인 요인일 거라는 생각을 해봤습니다만 HUD 로 인한 휴먼에러 요인 을 생각지도 못했습니다..! ! 오늘도 영상 감사합니다..!

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

기장님이시군요.. 안녕하세요! 저도 처음엔 조금 의아했습니다. 야간 비행이고 라이트들 때문에 발견하기 힘들었을 것이다.. 라고만 생각했지만.. 첫 영상 올리고 비행하는 데 눈에 걸리는 HUD의 center queue가 딱 걸리더군요 ㅠㅠ 그 큐는 꽤 크고 마치 PFD의 FD center 처럼 조종사가 이용하는 것이고 착륙 때까지 정확하게 터치다운존에 자리를 하거든요. 조사 결과가 나와봐야 알겠지만, 만일 해당 350에 HUD 옵션이 있었다면 아마도.. 그럴 확률이 커 보입니다. 댓글 감사드립니다~!!

저런경우는 조종사에게 어떠한 징계가 내려지나요? 350이 한두푼 하는게 아닐텐데요ㅠ

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

사고 조사 결과가 나와봐야 알겠지요.. 과실의 비율 등을 따져서 조종사나 관제사에게 주어지는 것이라서.. 비행기는 3천억이 훌쩍 넘지만 보험사에서 부담을 하겠고, 보험료가 많이 올라가지 않을까 생각합니다

The same thing happened at LAX some years ago. Tower had cleared a commuter for a displaced take off. Forgot and cleared a 737 to land. No HUD involved.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

That really happened... Some kind of warning system should be introduced that enables either pilot can recognize any other plane on the runway

@jayreiter268

4 ай бұрын

​@@captainjksaviationlife248 Yes it did. On 24L. The 737 slid down the runway across the taxiway and struck a fire station. That was the north east corner of the TWA wash rack I

If this speculation is correct, one solution would be to add an icon/mark/box on top of detected traffic (considering how the TCAS system is very accurate) on the HUD. You know, just like a target tracking box on fighter jet HUD.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

That might be a brilliant idea. Maybe in the near future, pilots might have the system like that! I hope...

One would think onlY the Flying pilot would have the HUD drown and on? Or is it standard procedure for both the flying and supervising pilot to have the HUD down and on?

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Hello~!! If HUD is installed on both sides, they all are supposed to put it down and use 🙂

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Oh..... you just have given me an insight to properly use HUD during landing. They both don't actually have to use HUD. PM, Pilot Flying can monitor PF, Pilot Flying without HUD. Maybe new procedure from Haneda accident may come out! PF HUD down.. PM HUD UP!!! 👍

@camf7522

4 ай бұрын

@@captainjksaviationlife248. That is my thought. My thoughts are that the investigators may consider recommending: ^ * only one pilot using the HUD on approach, or *once the pilots are visual with the runway, the HUD of the flying pilot is folded away. As they are no longer flying on instruments, and the supervising pilot is monitoring engines, radios etc and has his eyes often inside.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

@@camf7522 Good insight! But it's a bit of a shame that quite many pilots are using HUD all the way down to touch down.. since it gives pilots a flare guidance. I personally don't see it below 100 feet.. This magical device is like a love-hate realtionship I guess.. Let's wait and see what's gonna be changed after official report.

As a 20k hour professional ATP, I never used HUD, but can imagine how it could have been an additional disrupter of the clear vision of the landing runway. I’m guessing pilots can become very dependent upon it, and reluctant to dispose of it even when completely visual. We may be in the process of proving that pilots need to hone visual acuity and awareness in just the same way as manual dexterity in handling skills by dispensing with the autopilot when appropriate. I have to say that although aircraft on the runway at night are not the easiest thing to spot, they are normally visible on the runway, even in moderate visibility, and a pilot would normally check the runway to confirm it was clear prior to landing. Let’s hope these fancy new HUDs are not too distracting from this common sense airmanship.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for comment, sir.. It calls to mind that I first used HUD in 737 about 15years ago. I remember I had to come up with an idea to get used to it because it was mandatory by the company policy. It took some time to get used to it but once I got the hang of it.. it was just awesome! Everything was there in front of my eyes.. no need to look down the instruments For about 4years or so, I've been flying 787 with HUD and it's pretty much identical. Now I sometimes try to fly with minimum brightness of HUD. No idea yet what the investigation would say about it but I suppose that there might be a new procedure like.. one of the pilots should be flying without it or minimum brightness..

Does the FDR record the video outputs from the onboard cameras that the passengers can watch during the flight? The camera on the tail would be interesting to watch of the landing and impact. Some of the passenger's must have been watching it too.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

well.. I don't think that the video is recorded. I suppose that only cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder can only have the data regarding the accident

정말 그러네요...hud없으니 너무잘보입니다...

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

정식 결과는 아니지만.. 다른 데 보며 착륙하는 조종사는 단 1명도 없는데.. 그 자리에 서 있던 다른 비행기를 못 봤다면 그럴 가능성이 높아 보입니다 ㅠㅠ

Succinct, thank you!

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Thank you 😊

On a perfectly sunny day, why didn't the Asiana 777 pilots see that they were too low as they approached SFO and ended up crashing at the end of the runway? Could it be because they didn't have HUD in their cockpit?

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Hello.. that 777 accident is completely different case where pilots didn't fully understand the aircraft system and made critical mistakes.. Miss use of control mode led the speed to drop.. even they were unstabilized at 500feet which was the final gate to make a decision.. they just continued the approach, ended up in stall. They tried to go around a few seconds prior to impact, it was too late...

@FirstLastOne

4 ай бұрын

@@captainjksaviationlife248 There was a little bit of sarcasm in what I said that if they had been looking up and through the windscreen, they would have known they were too low but they had their heads buried in the screens and missed all the signs hence my 'heads up' display jib.

00:46 “ … as an airline pilot … “ You know perfectly well that by the time you spot an obstruction on the runway almost at touchdown you have absolutely no time to avoid collision. So yes, let’s wait for the official report, shall we?

생각지도 못했던 HUD 네요 JK기장님 의견들으니 그럴수도있겠어요 이번사건은 명백한 인재인데 해가 조금만 더 떠있었더라면 사고가안났을수도 있지 않았을까 c-2 에서 있었다면 사고없이 해프닝으로 끝날수 있지 않았을까 하는 생각이에요 😢

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

맞아요 ㅠㅠ 참 아쉬움이 많은 사고예요..

기장님 영상 감사합니다! 에어라인에 오래 종사하셔서 이런 추론을 할 수 있는 것만으로도 대단하신것같아요!!

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

아닙니다.. 아마 HUD 경험이 있는 기장님들은 모두 공감하시지 않을까 생각합니다. 시청, 댓글 감사드려요! 😊

아직 오토랜딩이 활주로에 항공기를 식별하고 고어라운드를 하거나, 혹은 활주로에 라인업 되어있는 항공기를 식별 후 경고를 주지는 않나요? 자동차의 주행보조장치처럼요

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

미래엔 그런 기능도 탑재가 되었으면 좋겠네요. 지금은 전혀 그런 장비는 없습니다 ㅜㅜ

Totally see a difference, Whilst the investigation continues, rumors are the coast guard aircraft made a wrong turn. Not uncommon pilots to misunderstand the instructions from the tower. Perhaps a traffic light or sensors might be developed to warn aircraft that the runway is live

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

As far as I can tell, there is the red stop bar installed short of the runway.. which prevent any plane entering the runway when there's a traffic taking off or landing. But... it was not working on that day..

A standard HUD by itself would have had zero difference. Unless the HUD is IR equipped it is more distracting than helpful.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Is it so? didn't know that..

They probably did see it at the last minute but sink rate can't be reversed that quickly and engines need time e to spool up for go around

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

At first I thought it like that.. but in the interview, JAL pilots said that they didn't see it and didn't even know they hit an airplane. So I guess even at the very last moment, they didn't seem that they saw the plane.

저도 맨처음 생각한게 활주로등 때문에 항법등을 보지못했나 이런생각이 들더라고요

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

활주로 터치다운 존은 라이팅이 꽤나 밝고 많죠.. 거기에 조종사의 눈과 활주로 사이에는 HUD라는 장비가 여러가지 정보를 띄우고 있습니다. HUD는 너무나 편리하고 안전에 도움이 되는 장비이지만, 이번 사고에서는 분명 작은 비행기의 불빛을 보는 데 방해가 되지 않았나 싶네요 ㅜㅜ

beacon light ..... 야간에 비행하는 항공기 아랫부분에서 붉은색으로 깜박이더군요... 787 (김포로 가는 ANA 또는 상하이항공 ...) 이 다른 비행기보다 유독 밝은 듯 합니다...

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

보잉은 777 후기형부터 787은 전부.. LED로 되어 있습니다. 맞게 보신겁니다.. 에어버스도 330 후기형부터 시작해서 350은 전부 LED 라이트입니다~

I hear the same sort of comments about car/truck drivers not seeing motorcycles. When you look in a rear view mirror for traffic you are, at least subconsciously, looking for a car or truck since the great majority of vehicles are cars or trucks. You are much less likely to notice a motorcycle beside you, especially if they are close to one side or other in the lane. Same thing applies to pilots, they are concentrating on the rate of descent, airspeed, runway centerline and such since they almost never see anything lined up stationary on the runway. Maybe in their recurrent simulator training showing unusual visual situations would help?? Much more important to see something on the runway than landing exactly on the centerline.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

HI.. we could have the same experience in the simulator but I don't think it shows the same environment as it really happened. Today's SIM can be as realistic as it could but.. still quite far from real scenes

This was researched thirty years ago. HUD creates a cognitive reality that takes effort to LOOK THROUGH. Shout if you want the reference.

300ER 기종은 흔하나요? 300ER 타봤더니 승차감 괜찮아요 . 혹시 옛날에 대한항공 시절 300ER 조종실 타봤어요?

@captainjksaviationlife248

16 күн бұрын

777-300ER은 전세계 널리 퍼져 있는 기종이예요.. 승차감 좋을겁니다 ㅎㅎ 저는 대한항공 때 777을 타지는 않았습니다. 하지만 조종실은 들어가 봤어요~

I think you are right it looks like a device that would reduce the view of the runway, my brother recently retired from Cathey Pacific, he flew the B-777 and many other Jets.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment! Yes.. addition to that, the main queue simbol located in the center of HUD remains exactly on the touchdown zone. It makes even harder for pilots to identify the plane lined up in the touch down zone. It's really a shame...

Shouldn’t ADSB have been alerted Ground controllers and the crew of the landing aircraft that the runway is occupied as the intrusion was not made at the crash moment but quite some time before. I think of something similar TCAS should have called a go around in this scenario. Even though the private operated ADSB receives we are able to get a pretty decent picture from ground movement at airports. FR24, FlightAware, Planefinder, RadarBox, OpenADSB and many others collect and share the data of this community and the industry is unable to install a few receivers to make a difference??

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Hello~ ADS-B has lots of information of the airplanes.. so it's being used mostly in the remote spaces where radar cannot reach.. I believe that some kind of study combining TCAS and ADS-B has been taken place to give better signal to pilots for flight safety. I hope those kinds of warning system would come out soon

2:17 that sound made me look to the bottom right of my screen

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

understood but it wasn't the video taken in the JAL cockpit 😥

미국 항공모함 함재기 조종사들이 HUD가 있는 장비로 이착륙을 한다고 합니다. 다만 Final 단계에서 이미 활주로를 육안으로 확실히 유지하는 상황에서는 오히려 복잡하지 않을까 생각합니다. 물론 이건 개인마다 다양하고 정답은 없을지도요

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

제 생각도 그러하며, 말씀하신대로 개개인이 느끼는 점도 조금씩 다릅니다~

It's not the first time this has happened. The landing USAir Flight 1493 hit SkyWest Airlines Flight 5569 that was sitting on the runway at LAX, February 1, 1991. Let's hope this is the last one .

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Yes, I also hope so.. thanks for comment

Jk님 그린란드같은 극지방은 비행 해보셨나요 빙하위에서보면 정말 환산적일것같아요

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

뉴욕에서 서울 들어올때 그쪽을 통과합니다. 참 예쁜 곳 중 하나지요~

FedEx has FLIR on all their HUD, works great..it’s ridiculous that 787 and A350 don’t have them…

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Hi.. FLIR, never heard of that. If it is to help pilots find any traffic on the runway, that should be mandatory to have in all airlines.. like TCAS

@pete6849

4 ай бұрын

@@captainjksaviationlife248 infared camera, see everything. Crews says not perfect in clouds

HUD의 가능성도 있겠군요 ... CUE죽어라 맞추다보면 ... 그래서 HUD파냐 눈ㄲ파하고 교육중에 많이 이야기했던 기억이 있는데 ... 가끔 양파도 나오고 ...

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

안녕하세요 기장님~ 허드는 참 요물같아요. 너무 좋지만 양날의 검 아닌가 싶습니다. FD도 그렇지만 특히 HUD의 CUE는 더욱이 기존의 조종사 스캔능력을 떨어뜨리는 게 아닌가 싶구요. 그렇게 편하게? 다니다가 HUD가 고장나면 당황해하는 기장님도 꽤 있었습니다. 예전 K사 737은 기장석에만 있던 허드가 가끔 고장났었거든요.

My 7X has evs wouldn't that have helped Gulfstream pioneer Ed

Had they seen the coast guard plane 10 seconds before could they had avoided it without crashing it seems inevitable, RIP to the lost.

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

Personally.. it's negative.. If they had had to go around, it should have been much earlier than that. Otherwise, this result is ironically rather safer for passengers to survive. If they had hit the Dash-8 while go around, it would have been much much worse

@alberta1st

4 ай бұрын

@@captainjksaviationlife248 Thank you!

근데.... 83년 5월 대한항공 007편 격추 당시... 소련군 조종사는 분명히 beacon light 를 봤을 텐데.... 의문이네요...

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

의도를 가지고 보느냐 아니냐가 관건 아닐까요.. 하네다 사고는 대부분의 조종사가 예견하지 못했을 듯 해요..

사람이 습관이 중요한데 평상시에 착륙하면서 활주로 앞단을 깨려보는 비행사가 몇이나 될까요?,,,기계조작하고 통신하고 아니면 늘 하던거니까 습관적으로 멍때렸을수도 있구요,,,기계장치가 해줄수있는게 없다는거 사람실수라는거 볼려고 안하니까 안보였다는거,,,

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

수십년 항공 사고의 역사에서 늘 이런 과오가 새로운 절차와 시야를 만들어 왔습니다. 정말 일어날 확률이 너무나 낮은 사고라 할 수 있어서 ㅜㅜ 안타까운 마음입니다. 관제사나 조종사나 늘 타성에 젖는 그런 일이 없기를 바랄 뿐입니다... 저를 포함 모두가 노력해야겠죠..

HUD의 치명적인 단점이 ...... 그래도 발견해야만 했지 않았을까 합니다....ㅠ

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

정말 매직같은 소중한 장비이지만 저런 단점이 있으리라 아무도 생각치 못했겠죠.. 내리는 저 위치에 다른 비행기가 있을 수도 있다는 생각을 했다면 아마 보지 않았을까 싶습니다 ㅜㅜ

@kimslife777

4 ай бұрын

@@captainjksaviationlife248 네.. C5를 보니.. 딱 TDZ 위고, 등화 때문에 스트로브 조차 잘 보이지 않았을 수도 있었겠지만.. 그래도 자세히 봤다면...ㅠㅠ 정말 안타깝습니다.

역쉬~ 베테랑은 틀리세요 ~

@captainjksaviationlife248

4 ай бұрын

아 ㅎㅎ 아닙니다.. 그래도 댓글 감사드립니다 😉👍🏻