When modo wins, I expect a 4-part A Cappella rendition of "Clash On".

@brandondrake4609

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, this is great idea

Clash on is a classic example of saying something ironically turning into something you just say normally

Seth: "Transitiooooonnnn" Tomer: *mimics some ESPN stuff* Me: "Perfect"

Crim: draws Richard a million cards Also Crim: how does Richard keep getting away with it???

I wonder when was the last time Tomer had fun in a Commander Clash game

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305

Жыл бұрын

I wonder when he last had fun playing magic. he's always the one to complain the loudest about normal card interactions.

So…why did Tomer take the season off… Watches him get killed first AGAIN… Oh…yeah…thats why.

"How is this working in Crims favor?!" Seth says as he does nothing but enable Crim. "We should go for Tomer" the table colludes as he's locked out of the game. I feel like I've seen this episode...

@anix712

2 жыл бұрын

It's honestly pretty tired. I can understand why Tomer took (most of) the season off.

@MrInithra

2 жыл бұрын

I really want a season with Tomer and Phil. I don't particularly care about the other two players as long as they aren't Crim

@atk9989

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrInithra yea Crim ALWAYS has a hard on for killing Tomer first. Every single game.

@qwormuli77

2 жыл бұрын

@@atk9989 Well, Tomer likes building budget and budget likes green, which Crim can't stand (which is starting to be a bit of a Schrödinger's meme), so there is at least a some sort of reason.

@adamfiliatreault3393

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrInithra This! This is what is really keeping the last few seasons down for me. Crim brings nothing good or fun to the casual pod

The thing is that Seth didn't need to take Crim's side, he said from a beggining that he was going to do it, it wasn't a favor so I don't know maybe Seth became too happy making deals with the guy that would stab you on at the first opportunity.

@Lucarioguild7

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that was the thing that stuck out to me too, Seth said he felt obligated to team up with Crim because he 5-0'd him but there was no discussion or anything Crim just did it so there was nothing for Seth to gain

@Niehm

2 жыл бұрын

More importantly, Crim very clearly said he was doing it to hurt Seth so there was no reason to help him

This is the second episode I've had to just turn off without finishing this season - the first one being where Crim abused the MTGO bug with Gisa a couple episodes back. I definitely feel bad for Tomer and along with him, I was no longer having fun this game. I hope the crew can bounce back to some more casual, light-hearted, janky shenanigans soon

@admanios

2 жыл бұрын

I'm with you. Don't really care to watch the rest of the game after Crim gave Seth a 5-0 split with Fact or Fiction.

@qwormuli77

2 жыл бұрын

We all have our moments of inordinate salt. That doesn't mean I find Crim's illogically insane levels of seethe towards green anything but ridiculous, but admit that we all have those moments. With decks that can't realistically interact with Cyclonic Rift, I'll just suicide bliz any blue decks (that I know run it) to give me _some_ chance of pulling through.

@adamfiliatreault3393

2 жыл бұрын

@@qwormuli77 I just feel like Crim is purely salt in this playgroup without even bringing any interesting decks. He adds nothing to the fun and seems to revel in making sure Tomer in particular doesn't get to play his decks. Really not a great playstyle for a casual group

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305

Жыл бұрын

the more I watch the more I think tomer is a solitaire player. he doesn't seem to like magic. but I think that of most people who harp on about keeping things "casual" when what they mean is they don't want anyone to interact with them and they don't want to see hate cards and they don't want any land destruction or stax or w.e it is they have a stick up their ass about. keeping it casual should mean when you and your no interaction deck get dunked on by MLD that its on you to laugh it off. commander is still magic, if you don't like magic play a different game.

"Crim kinda had a gun to my head with the whole friendship thing" -Seth 2021

Tomer being said hit me in the feels lol. Poor Tomer. All he wanted to do was play his commander.

Every time i watch this show hoping it will be a nice fun thing it turns into Tomer getting bullied and i dont have to wonder why he took this season off and wouldnt be surprised if he only came back as an alternate player after all these times

I don't think Tomer understands he was fired. I'm seeng a lot of him and his plant, maybe you need better security guards at MtgGoldfish HQ.

@tNag556

2 жыл бұрын

CLASH ON!

Tomer did not look amused, and his sad face made me sad.

I love when Tomer gets loud and you hear a faint echo: 30:18

Crims 5-0 split was not a big brain play it was just a desperate play. Then he just ran behind Seth until the opportunity was right to stab him in the back.

@TheNidhogg

2 жыл бұрын

Also makes various small brain plays afterwards to fumble the bag. Pretty much immediately after casting Emrakul he should’ve seen the Recovery for Dusk, and then he is still fine-ish but obviously messes up his blasphemous act turn. And all this after unnecessarily drawing Richard a million cards with skullclamp.

NGL after watching many games, the correct line is target crim, genuinely could not trust him

@anix712

2 жыл бұрын

100%. Honestly, to the point where I think that Tomer and Richard should have focused down Crim, even if that means they let Seth win. Crim really NEEDS to be punished for blatantly manipulative plays like that.

@qwormuli77

2 жыл бұрын

@@anix712 Less about punishment or other overbearing moral retribution (it's only a game), but at this point it's the only logical action with decks that happen to have green.

@thatepicwizardguy

2 жыл бұрын

Idk how Crim doesn’t just get crushed first every game. I’d absolutely gun him down just based on the decks he plays let alone the way he plays and I’m a huge fan of control it’s just not shitty feelsbad kingmaker control

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305

Жыл бұрын

@@thatepicwizardguy sounds like a you problem

never has the clash been more on

That opening was amazing, so glad you all followed through on the idea!

Ganging on Tomer was really sad. This game got me more angry than amused.

I honestly feel bad for Tomer. At this point I'd be surprised if he comes back next season.

Hi Tomer! Have you ever used the rl plants as 0/2 token when sb. played Dowsing Dagger? :-P btw: Could we get a highish resolution picture of your plants to make our own special token? ^^ Honestly I imagine that to be really cool.

@quantumlasagna4669

2 жыл бұрын

If you really want a response try tweeting at him

@ComfyDents

2 жыл бұрын

@@quantumlasagna4669 k ^^ Well I already got a response from time to time.

Thumbs up for the Barbershop Quartet!! Clash on!

You really need to stop acknowleding Crims "second place" as achievement. It is really not hard to play kingmaking, but it does a lot of damage to the overall game structure.

@oliviakhan7824

2 жыл бұрын

big agree

@atk9989

2 жыл бұрын

@@oliviakhan7824 yea I'm starting to get kinda bored of who is Crim going to kimgmake this game and who will he push for killing first. It was kinda fun for awhile where he would just play troll decks and interfere with everyone but have no way to win. But lately he has been turning it into 2v1v1.

@swirlingtoilets

2 жыл бұрын

The game only functions properly if everyone is trying to win. That's a core aspect of MtG. When players no longer care about winning, the game gets thrown completely off the rails

@thatepicwizardguy

2 жыл бұрын

If Crim did this in a game with me I’d annihilate him first to make a point

@theatog

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatepicwizardguy Same. I will go full on king making Seth and just do 3v1 on crim.

Honestly I think I'm saltier than Tomer over the way his game ended.

@atk9989

2 жыл бұрын

Games. This is a pretty long standing trend of Crim doing everything he can to get Tomer out first every game.

@hashbeth

2 жыл бұрын

It's very strange how everyone does seem to gun for Tomer. It always feels like he's considered a threat even when he clearly isn't

@Rogue_Biologist

2 жыл бұрын

@@atk9989 Crim just tends to make games miserable in general…

@thatepicwizardguy

2 жыл бұрын

Anytime Crim does kingmaking garbage would mean I’d 100% put all my resources into killing him even if it would mean I get 3rd.

@michaellester8939

2 жыл бұрын

@@hashbeth How many times has Tomer died first while complaining about not being able to do anything, and then in the wrap up talks about how he might have been able to win the next turn? Tomer plays combos, and this group clearly fears combos because they are playing random decks and don't know what to expect or how to stop it.

Kind of unrelated, but seeing Tomer's Colossification made me realize how good it is in Tahngarth, First Mate.

if i was in this game, i would snap kill crim for that 5-0, that is such a bad call lol. Also rip to tomer, he gets bullied so hard for no reason it feels.

@alexmohrmann8825

2 жыл бұрын

See I dunno... it's a totally scummy move, but it's a really interesting game theory. By giving the person in the lead the most amount of weapons and resources in exchange for not being immediately targeted by them, and forcing your other opponents to focus on a much greater threat or they will lose you can slowly build resources while forcing your opponents to deplete theirs before you actually have to start trying to compete and eventually close out the game. It's not very sporting, but I think it's pretty good gamesmanship.

@liamw.1313

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexmohrmann8825 the issue is that each game is not a played in a vacuum. If I have to focus the player giving 5-0 every game that they do that, that player will learn the giving 5-0s is not the optimal play. While the game theory aspect is interesting, I think Commander players are a particularly bad example of players within a game, because game theory relies on each player attempting to make the optimal play to maximize their own chance of winning. While In commander, players tend to do a very poor job of doing that, on purpose or not.

@camael4209

2 жыл бұрын

I mean I wouldn't call it for no reason or bullying. He was open for attacks and had a scary boardstate. He also is known to have the stronger decks on commander clash with great synergies. If you looked at the cards he had in hand (especially portrazer and colossification), next turn, he could actually easily get a winning boardstate. If he got another turn he could cast portrazer and make it unblockable, then get 3 extra combat phases and untap all creatures including the mana dorks, this gives enough mana to cast colossification and free equip belt of giant strength. This doesn't pump his beatle though so he can't get the 1/1's. He can also just cast collosification make his commander a 31/31 gitve 31 counters to beatle making 31 insects and just pass. Tomer is playing it down a lot saying how weak his board is while he has a lot of tricks up his sleeve

@KrikrTriwas

2 жыл бұрын

@@liamw.1313 If you want to focus a player who gave someone else a 5-0, you're being a spoil sport. Just scoop. You know you intend to lose from that point on, and you want the other person to lose too. So just scoop. This like "I will punish them until they learn their lesson" mentality is childish and stupid.

@TheNidhogg

2 жыл бұрын

@@KrikrTriwas you can’t do that when you’re making content. In game actions should have in game consequences. Realistically you’re asking for the group to stop the game immediately and discuss whether Crim’s play was appropriate. How else can you discourage this type of play if you think it’s fundamentally bad for the game and your content?

The newish smash bros type intro is such a good addition. I love it every time!

For those thinking they were wrong targeting Tomer, If you look at his hand, he could almost win next turn. He could cast portrazer with haste thanks to rhythm of the wild, make it unblockable getting a total of 4 combat steps giving his commanders buff 4 times (he could give his beatle 20 counters for example). Then he could untap his mana dorks generating enough mana for colossification, cast it on his commander and free equip belt. This makes his commander 31 power total. He could also just cast collosification and free equip belt, making his commander a 31/31 and giving the beatle 31 counters which gives him 31 1/1's. Tomer has very synergistic decks and is always a threat. He also tends to play it down, say his boardstate is weak while he has a win in hand. That's why, in this instance it was right to focus him I think.

@kingfuzzy2

2 жыл бұрын

What a relief

@Icarus_789

2 жыл бұрын

thats true but they didn't know that. They just tend to target him very early on even if he is way behind

@Spaced92

2 жыл бұрын

Tomer even convinces himself he's not a threat sometimes, which he feels gets justified when someone else pulls ahead. Such is the way of playing out super obvious threats.

@ryanjordan8646

2 жыл бұрын

Except that nobody knew his hand and was doing nothing relatively to the board on his turns

@camael4209

2 жыл бұрын

@@Icarus_789 he had beatle and belt on board, an obvious combo with his commander, also he is known for playing the stronger more synergistic and explosive decks.

I disagree with Tomer's opinion on how the game played out. I think by not playing out his commander to potentially get mana drained, Seth basically counters the spell without using resources. I think the play would have to been run it out. If Seth counters then it is out of his hand opening others to wrath the board and getting the counter out. if he doesn't use it no harm, no foul. Tomer also said earlier in the game gotta make the control player have it/use it and then doesn't follow that same sage advice.

I love the energy, you guys are awesome! Great content

Delightful from the start, as always

I just noticed that Seth's threat assessment strategy is to let everyone else try to deal with immediate threats (whats on board) and he deal with whatever/whomever dealt with the original threat. Like countering a counter and then being surprised that the original threat still exists

If this is the same artist I'm glad they found more room for their art in the thumbnail.

Richards deck this week looks really sweet! I kinda wanna build that :)

Most definitely earned a sub from that intro. 10/10 Clash on!

I think having a player (Seth) being in a winning position, and having another player (Crim) target a player in a losing position (Tomer) doesn’t make a fun game. The whole idea of the “points” system incentivizes trying to get first. If the players are only seeking to avoid last for Clash On, they are incentivized to simply hit the player in the worst position. Its sometimes funny to see desperate plays to avoid last, but not where the player in the worst position just gets targeted

@raleighpentecost7684

2 жыл бұрын

Agree with this statement as right now they're rewarding punishing a single player which Tomer mentioned. The Clash on needs to be reworked as Crim will play edgelord to kill one player either directly or indirectly constantly, which makes sense he doesn't want to say "clash on". The new rule while fun should be looked at again.

That clash on was amazing

8:20 that barber shop quartet clash on was beautiful.

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard Crim say "it's not that bad," I would have enough nickels to throw a handful of them at the next person who casts his spells against me.

1:16:04 someone help me I'm on my phone. How'd tomer go from 38 to -2?

@freya002YT

2 жыл бұрын

Seth attacked him for 40

*Clash On* ! *Thanks for the Content* !

That intro was amazing!

Why did Seth, the man who can never blind-flip a Delver, decide to play the even pickier Delver?

I liked the video as soon as I heard the barbershop quartet rendition of "Clash on"

That intro was so sick!

Richard knows he can just run a Wood Elves, right?

@bcoble121691

2 жыл бұрын

Came here looking for this card

@MTGGoldfishCommander

2 жыл бұрын

@@bcoble121691 (Richard) I may have forgotten about Wood Elves, but who can give up an excuse to run Cartographer's Hawk!

Love the Smash intro 👍

some truly uh... inspired plays this episode

best thing that happened to me the whole week

9:10 There's one F-word per season, fitting it would go to the 'guest'.

I'm 10 seconds into this video but I love Tomer's excitement about his deck :)

@rosavanopheusden5211

2 жыл бұрын

man, they really messed my poor boy up

CLASH ON!!

The Best Clash On

I'm really curious about why the Ocean Man Music Video has been added into the Commander Clash playlist back part way in season 2.

Sitting through Crim controlling Richards turn and looking for wrath while he had a Bal Ged Recovery in had and Dusk in the graveyard was 😫it was such a relief when he finally saw it.

Richard not casting the craterhoof for lethal broke my heart a little bit

What's that song they use for their intro?

@ringoderbar1522

2 жыл бұрын

You mean where you see their faces and their decks? Thats the Super Smash Bros Brawl Title theme Link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rJl_p5KHeLjahdo.html&ab_channel=Meowth

@midnightmonty

2 жыл бұрын

@@ringoderbar1522 thanks!

i just played against runo and olivia in the same game last night at my LGS....it was pretty fun...runo did alot of fun cool things with lEV,and KRAKs,and what not... pretty cool.

"add some creatures!!" Crim continues to kill Tomer's creatures ad nauseum.....

I think Richards approach to this episode is appropriate. He respects the play. Tomer suffers from something I do which is at time not liking the way other people threat assess and play. You have to play your game and not get stuck on how others play. Like if you think you have to pay for Rhystic, you have to pay for sentinel, or your playing wrong then play that way but don’t complain that others don’t play the way you want them to. That commentary doesn’t help and adds a level of feel bads to the whole play group

@shayneweyker

2 жыл бұрын

Never paying for Study is like playing the game theory game of Chicken and always choosing not to turn away/cooperate. It abuses other players' desire not to have the worst outcome for both players of Chicken (here, a pre-determined non game of magic via overwhelming card advantage if nobody paysfor the Study player). I think Seth does this in order to get a better chance of winning the magic game (or at least doing better than players who pay the Study tax) because other non-Rhystic Study players pay the tax in fear of a miserable non-game. While Seth either 1) doesn't care if any games are predetermined due to card advantage, or 2) he's sure he can coerce the other non-Study players into paying tax and gaining a mana advantage because he knows they care more about avoiding the worst outcome than he does. If Seth's opponents without the Study think it's the latter, they could all stop paying for study when he doesn't (tit-for-tat strategy) and see if that changes his attitude after they all play several predetermined-by-card-advantage games where the study Player always wins. Or they could just house-ban Rhystic Study. Which would avoid the Goldfish crew and/or fans having to sit through long non-games. Or arguments about paying for Study. Which may be fun for Seth who likes trolling opponennts, but isn't fun for fans (except for the ones who like to see Tomer in pain).

@Spaced92

2 жыл бұрын

Getting upset at other peoples threat assessment gets rough when there's 4 people with very different styles of playing, especially when it's pretty obvious Seth, Crim and Tomer all have their own personal crusades at this point (Paying the 1, Green, feeling targeted).

@atk9989

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spaced92 though it's not just that Tomer "feels " targeted, they proved in last sessions stats episode that he is.

@LzyBn1987

2 жыл бұрын

@@shayneweyker let’s say you’re 100% correct and the person with Rhystic always wins if one player isn’t paying for it. At that point your argument seems to be “let me play your deck for you cause I’ll play it better/ correct.” At that point you should play by yourself or find another play group because it is certainly not in keeping with the multiplayer aspect of the game which is to let others play the way they’re going to play - which again I think is what Richard does here

@shayneweyker

2 жыл бұрын

@@LzyBn1987 I said if *nobody* pays for it then it leads to so much card advantage the Study player is likely to win. If only one player doesn't pay, then that's only 1/3 the card advantage of nobody paying, and the card advantage isn't nearly as game outcome determining. Of course if the Study gets removed or disabled that's an exception. But enchantments are pretty durable.

On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" will Crim bring everything back to life with his vampire bride or will Tomer and his rangers shoot the vampires from the skies? Tune in to find out!

@nCedric1

2 жыл бұрын

I will always love these comments

Why don't you use spelltable?

CLASH ON!

Clash on!

Clash on! x4!!

Crim literally told Seth (around 1:11:15 ) if I draw a land it won't kill you. Proceeds to kill Seth using Richard's turn. That was really dirty and I would not make deals with Crim in the future because he broke his deal. If I was in Seth's place I would be very very salty. Seth literally could have killed him and spared him just to be killed. That was so stupid. I also feel bad for Tomer because he literally couldn't do anything, and then was just killed. (he should have cast his commander into mana drain imo but that's a separate point. ) This game had stupid politics and it made it kinda unfun to watch tbh. The way Crim behaved in this game was pretty awful and I really don't like it.

@qwormuli77

2 жыл бұрын

Dunno about Seth having to be salty. Many groups play with unreliable deals and game theory munchkinry can be really fun. But it's also IMO a stupid reason to ever open up your back to Crim, as we've seen for how little he stabs it for on every ocasion. And while I agree that Ganging on Tomer for nonsensical reasons is a really weird trend on Commander Clash, I'd still appreciate being put out of my misery, instead of being kept around as a token while also being hated out of the game. Those games are always pure torture to me, especially with lower power decks without real 0-100 comeback potential.

"They were roommates" is one of my favourite memes. Hnggg

Clash On!!!!

I hope everyone’s happy I thought the quartet was great don’t worry tomer First time watching, think I’ll keep up, thank you

Clash On!

OMG clash on people, clash on!!

I don't know If crim got a hair cut or if I've just never seen him with his hair down before, but I really dig the look this week!

In the turn with crim control the other Player why he didn't used toski and shamanic Revelation to get way more cards? I mean i might even get the Player milled out

Probably the greatest clash on of all time lmao

What a beautiful shatterskull smashing lol

You guys get a comment for that barbershop clash on.

Killing seth (accidentally?) was wrong.. and a major feelsbad for your 5-0 split buddy! But i still like you Crim. Do keep bringing the chaos that you do.

"Clash On!!!!"

this week Tomer is MLM and WLW solidarity

I've never been a fan of the addition of Crim to the crew, but this is one of the most BM games I've seen him play. That fact or fiction was just an ass-kiss until he could backstab and if I'm Tomer I have a hard time playing with him since he seems to have a hard-on for focusing him out first.

I saw 3 guys having fun and a Tomer

Subscribe or the plants are gonna get it is probably the best Tomer quote in clash history. Clash on!

I agree with Tomer. Just dunking on one person is not fun commander

Was hoping for a household v household episode

So many heels in this pod. xD

Tomer threatening to torture the plant with waterboarding.

Yay tomer is here!

I feel bad to comment on this sort of thing (again), but every second comment here is calling out that Crim spoils these games for viewers (and also, often, for Tomer I guess?) and I fully agree. I miss Tom and Jennifer!

LMAOOOOO the clash on ahahahahahahahaha

Captain Planet coming to make tomer into a tree to protect the planets

1:03:49 Enjoy 1 minute of Seth doing math with his fingers while the rest of the crew keeps talking. You are welcome.

@kingfuzzy2

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you ( :

This is my least favorite game by far, what tomer said was true. It felt really bad to watch him being dunked on as ive been in that situation and it makes you not want to play with those people again :( I dont blame him for taking a season off as this is a bit of a pattern for the group and towards the end of the last season it was clear he wasnt having fun playing for that reason. Anyone can justify anything and if they didnt profess to prioritize fun game play to some degree I wouldnt have minded crim's play as it was technically deece but like richard said just like stax and OG vorinclex all work they feel really bad but the person with them still raises there chances of winning. I also found the fact seth kept favoring crim despite him being entirely blatant about the motivation of his "favor" he rewarded him beyond handsomely to the degree he didnt even bog his graveyard which for a re-animator deck is insane regardless of the "favor" that has been done was also salt inducing even from the spectator position.

The MTG Bella's, clash oooooooooooon

I’m the Tomer of my playgroup 😭

I love the intro with smash bros brawl song

Crim please, it's not "Crim's bride" it's "Crim's own bride" you gotta own it Crim, you gotta own it.

What's the plural of Clash On :O

imo the fof split wasn't that big of a deal but it screw tomer bc he was right before seth in turn order

What happened with the transition music? I'm dying lol