"I have a very big huge imagination and i cannot imagine how the universe could have come into existence without God".... And that's how God was created, by people with a lot of imagination

@sladey21

5 жыл бұрын

Like.

@svendtang5432

5 жыл бұрын

BELSEVUU or rather no imagination because inventing a all powerful being is not imaginative it’s a cop out

@Steef_Lee

5 жыл бұрын

Retweet

@Steef_Lee

5 жыл бұрын

Not to mention it doesn’t take imagination alone to understand how the universe most likely came into existence, it takes intelligence, education and a pretty good grasp of physics. The idea that his imagination would just figure out how reality exists is absolutely absurd.

@omunday1995

5 жыл бұрын

@@svendtang5432 thats why i like early religions so much, all sorts of whacky Gods for all sorts of random shit, Greek mythology was like a soap opera.

Next to Matt, Tracie is the most formidable debater on this show. She's excellent.

@volvoman1096

5 жыл бұрын

I want to take her out to dinner.

@BizzyIzzy87

5 жыл бұрын

Volvo Man 😂

@CFifth

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like Tracies calm, kind and reasonable way of talking was the biggest influence on me thinking about things more rationally

@noel7950

2 жыл бұрын

She's my favourite, she's amazing!

@donmiller2908

2 жыл бұрын

@@noel7950 Too bad they let her leave the show. She has principles and when they refused to acknowledge those principles, she walked. Dam shame.

He starts with an argument from ignorance. That's literally his first statement! The conversation is already over at that point!

@smooth_sundaes5172

4 жыл бұрын

For sure, god of the gaps straight off the bat

@Dr.JustIsWrong

2 жыл бұрын

obviously the conversation wasn't over.. apparently he was able to see his error via the conversation.

@Jprimus

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes Loving that a theist talks about ignorance with no substance to back it up.

@gvelden1

2 жыл бұрын

Or argument from personal incredulity

@robertlewis9132

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dr.JustIsWrong absolutely. He certainly was left with a potential breakthrough at the end, so if the conversation was over that wouldn't have occurred.

Eric broke his brain. I can't stop smiling.

@charleselliott4690

4 жыл бұрын

I heard his brain hit the toaster.

This is the stellar example of Tracie's laser focused discourse, her open ended yet critical analysis, her plain darn sense.

Big imagination, little understanding.

@damianwhite9058

4 жыл бұрын

Like most theists, particularly Christians

@roqsteady5290

4 жыл бұрын

Not very imaginative to buy into someone else's fantasy

@Forscythe80

3 жыл бұрын

You need a big imagination to perceive the concepts that physics and astrophysicists have proposed. Only someone with a small imagination will stop at god as the extent of what their brain can process.

@joelonsdale

3 жыл бұрын

Not even a big imagination. A very limited imagination.

@syndiccalls6993

3 жыл бұрын

He's young. Keep things in perspective people.

Fantastic tactic! Switch roles with the caller, put them in the position where they carry out the investigation, and thus experience the emotional reward from performing deductive reasoning. This caller got swept up in the activity and from it, he took a few steps towards approaching the world logically. And, offering a position to take was a great move: "wouldn't X be more honest?" Great work on this episode!

@Spongebrain97

5 жыл бұрын

I like how he gets frustrated and when she says "that's basically what you're argument is but replace gremlins with god" and he just repeats the same point again lmao

@angellawless7413

5 жыл бұрын

P. B Amygdala Tracie’s specialty

@roqsteady5290

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah Tracy was great in this episode.

@chrism6315

2 жыл бұрын

Socratic method is still the best way to teach people 2000 years later.

Eric seemed to get through to him. "I don't know" is one of the hardest things for most people to process. They try to fill that void with an answer, any answer. That's how religion arose, IMO. Kudos to Eric for getting the caller to pause and say "hmmm". Got him thinking. Good job.

@BigHeretic

4 жыл бұрын

*onepoorguy* You're right, Eric did a good job, but it was a team effort. Eric does this all the time but doesn't always get the other guy to go "hmmm". Well done to Mark too.

@Dr.JustIsWrong

2 жыл бұрын

The caller was also refreshingly impressive to have actually listened and thought.. a rare trait.

@oggyoggy1299

2 жыл бұрын

I think everyone says “I don’t know” to a bunch of stuff.

@Dr.JustIsWrong

2 жыл бұрын

@@oggyoggy1299 unfortunately that is just profoundly not the case..

@oggyoggy1299

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dr.JustIsWrong Fortunately it is. “What do you want for lunch?” I don’t know. “What is the square root of 4789?” I don’t know. “Is there a planet like ours anywhere else?” I don’t know. I think everyone has said “I don’t know” at some point.

Been in hospital recently with a minute tear in part of the stomach. Just found out that it healed all by itself. So glad I’m not a christian or I would be running around saying that god healed my body.

"If I've exhausted every naturalistic possibility to explain a phenomenon, then what is left must be supernatural." Doyle's Fallacy. Thank you Matt Dillahunty for putting a name to this line of fallacious reasoning.

I love you Traci. She's so good at exposing the problem with Christian claims

@emeraldkat2167

5 жыл бұрын

Traci is my fav host. She's just wonderful.

@ryanp8518

5 жыл бұрын

She is beautiful lady

@og4372

5 жыл бұрын

She turned his argument on its head. Still he wants to resort to any unreasonable argument. This boy would keep burning toast, lol. He would probably be afraid to replace the toaster for fear the new one would just burn toast because the geimlin is still at work.

@cocatfan

4 жыл бұрын

Yes but Eric shut the guy down.

@jackdaniels9179

4 жыл бұрын

@@simplesimonsayssimplesayings you're not.

Tracy makes the best arguments, and her temperament is perfect for a meaningful debate.

Well, if *Mark* has “racked” his imagination and can’t work out how the universe was created, what chance do the rest of us mere mortals have?

@Involent

4 жыл бұрын

wracked*

@thetruthandnothingbutthetr6484

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@martytdd1606

4 жыл бұрын

@@Involent That's what thay say in Belfast lol

@adamtzsch

4 жыл бұрын

Rjörke Wrack and ruin, or bladderwrack. Thanks anyway. Be sure, next time.

@adamtzsch

4 жыл бұрын

Bosco Brindle I hope that’s a joke.

Wow. This guy knows how universes are created, and he learned it in juvy. Get this guy a Nobel Prize stat!

@iancastor69

3 жыл бұрын

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

@Superman679

2 жыл бұрын

Get ready to have your mind blown if you think that was something !!!! Juvy, Jail and Jesus all start with "J" (Put's hands to temples and mimes mind being blow).....lol

@fyimediaworld

2 жыл бұрын

@@Superman679 - now I have to run out into traffic.

Absolutely perfect! That's the key. Get the theist to approach the mystery (since it is a mystery) by saying "I don't know," which is honest, as opposed to approaching it saying "it must be a god because I can't think of any other way." The reason this is good is that typically theists begin with the conclusion, because that is exactly how they have been trained. To accept without question or doubt. That is not how you get to truth.

Astounding ... that people have such a hard time to accept what Richard Feynman once said ... "I can live with doubt and uncertainty. I think it is much more interesting to live NOT knowing than to have answers, which might be wrong!" ...

"Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world." Arthur Schopenhauer

@alvarogoenaga3965

5 жыл бұрын

Didn't he say also "I'll be back" ? Sorry, that was Arnold.

@joelonsdale

3 жыл бұрын

That's brilliant...

@joelonsdale

3 жыл бұрын

@@alvarogoenaga3965 And so is this!!

0:42 "What evidence would you expect to see that you don't see?" **crickets chirping**

@anthonymeyer6764

5 жыл бұрын

And yet you know it's the crickets simply because you saw them

@k1ln1k37

3 жыл бұрын

🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗

Tracie keeps getting better looking, holy hell. She's so intelligent and well spoken and really helps paint pictures without disrespecting people...usually. I hope I meet her and matt when I go to the ae filming.

@iancastor69

3 жыл бұрын

Yes she does. Always been a beautiful woman and her personality and intelligence, more importantly, make her simply amazing!!

This is what sadly happens when children are not exposed or taught about real history and correct science. Education and critical thinking skills are vital for a society to grow and progress.

"If you showed me a time machine I'd believe you created the universe" Okay, so where is your evidence of that caliber for your god "Oh, it's all personal experience, you can't prove him empirically" *Head explodes from contradictory overload*

I absolutely love Tracie, but Eric handled this perfectly!

@braydynniewiadomski5454

2 жыл бұрын

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

@camcam8995

Жыл бұрын

@@braydynniewiadomski5454 bro he didn’t sacrifice anything Jesus came to earth god and left earth god that’s not sacrificing shit. He came in god, he came out god

If Mark had his way every scientific discovery that had a counterintuitive explanation would be labeled ‘supernatural’ and we’d stop looking for answers.

The problem is that he's just making his argument backward in an attempt to dodge the burden of proof, instead of taking his approach backward by using Deductive Reasoning instead of Inductive Reasoning.

One more person who probably realized he was living in a dream world. Great explanation from Eric.

I love how every time a caller get trapped in a logical box they start with this whole "bwhuh huh-huh-huh" hyperventilation mode trying to cling to their belief while thinking of some kind of rebuttal.

Thanks for all the work that you do. I am an avid watcher of your videos and appreciate them. I'm tremendously grateful. Thanks.

He was so close... suggesting testing the toaster but then defaults to argument from ignorance.

I used to be an atheist until I watched this show. Now I worship the Almighty.... .....Gremlins. Please do not burn my toast!

@MrKErocks

5 жыл бұрын

So, father, son and the holy toast?

@happymaskedguy1943

5 жыл бұрын

This made me smile. Thanks.

@honestlyna

5 жыл бұрын

They don’t like burnt toast. They like hot socks fresh from the dryer 😂

@davidstorrs

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrKErocks Ow. That was awful, and you should be ashamed. :> (Okay, not really. I'm not sure why people are supposed to be ashamed of puns, and that was a good one.)

@rybobz

5 жыл бұрын

blasphamy there are universe farting pixies it's all in the book of Eric PRAISE ERIC!

I think you can hear him lose his faith. The dread in his voice is kind of sad. But I'm sure he'll come out a better person.

@joelscull

3 жыл бұрын

Tell that to all the people in Africa with aids because of religion.

Eric picked the conversation up brilliantly. What a great conversation, guys!

This call is a good example of how the absence of evidence for one hypothesis doesn't automatically make another hypothesis true.

Mark - Toronto: Hi, may I please shift the burden of proof?

"If I go through any possible way that I can imagine..." I've had a friend who denied continental drift. He has an inquiring mind and a vibrant imagination and used to say that imagination is more important than knowledge - apparently quoting Einstein. One day I've just pointed out that one may deny that the shapes of the continents are a good evidence for the drift, but there are also magnetic anomalies that provide a much more tangible proof. Neither he, nor I could have imagined magnetic anomalies, but here they were, disproving the improbability claim. Reality is much more fascinating than any imagination.

@donaldcook2484

2 жыл бұрын

Religion and their delusional nonsense is beyond redidulous 🤣😭😂

@starfishsystems

Жыл бұрын

Remember that the brain doing all the imagining is about the size of a cantaloupe. It's trying to imagine the detailed workings of something the size of a universe. It will probably not be able to keep up on imagination alone.

Can I just get this straight, that's Sigourney Weaver right?

@jonathanconnor7920

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing!

Lot's of credit to this guy. I mean he clearly had no idea what he was talking about but in the end he did pause to consider what was being said and that is way more than most others have done.

I really enjoy it when Tracy is on with someone other than Matt because we actually get to hear more than one or two words from her. I guess that goes for anyone who is on with Matt.

Doctor" we've run every test and we don't know what is causing your illness." Caller "Well, it HAS to be supernatural then."

Tracie, once again tearing apart ridiculous arguments. Simply using logic. I love how the whole time Eric is going "You go girl".

“My imagination is so keen, I can’t imagine what a life without a god would be like...and I was a criminal”

This show is the only reason I'm still sane. Long live the ACA!

When he kept saying receptacle I could tell he was having a melt down and trying to grasp the fact that there is no god

The conclusion on this video is killer. Such a good finish to a well developed argument.

I'm just glad I find this channel, it's everything into one.

"I can't even imagine how the universe could have come into existence without a creator god. Therefore my creator god exists."

@starfishsystems

Жыл бұрын

It's a classic Argument from Incredulity fallacy.

"Not Enough Evidence Universe Did Not Need a Creator | Mark - Toronto" So Mark agrees that the universe was created by Odin.

@charleselliott4690

4 жыл бұрын

created by Odin and GE, we make things come alive....

"...then I would say you would have evidence of something supernatural. OR there is something wrong with that outlet." Yes, that's the most logical order of things to check out. "Hey, my toaster's on the fritz. I guess I should call the Ghostbusters first. And then if they don't find anything I guess I could call an electrician."

This was a great episode. Thank you guys! Thanks Mark :D

guys there's not enough evidence that the universe wasn't created by a potato

We all know the universe was created by Unicorns so why is this fact ignored!!

@donbacker9883

5 жыл бұрын

Robert H Stardust = unicorn farts

@JohnMorris-ge6hq

5 жыл бұрын

Robert Preston Incorrect! We all know it was a green bird with a purple tail that created the universe. The unicorn was just the Great Bird's helper.

@banishedfromthedwarfplanet530

4 жыл бұрын

Wrong. the universe was created by MY unicorn, no one else's.

I like watching these while waiting for the Big Show. Eight hours to go!

Call over at the 1 minute mark. Tracie is stellar

1 minute in already Argument from incredulity.

@TheGkmasta

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's the difference between Mat and Tracie tho. Matt would just say "this is your fallacy" and move on. Tracie lets people play out the logical conclusion of their claim so they can recognize the logical fallacy on their own.

The rise of Christianity proves there's a deity creating universes. Right.

Tracy is incredibly polite and patirent. I admire that.

Gremlins caught Mark off-guard. 😂 "I don't know" is so frustrating to these people it is like silver to werewolves.😂

I'm gonna use that "The Gremlins did it".

Eric didn't say anything til the end and then he owned the shit out of him haha. Closer Eric in the clutch

It looks like Tracie has some problems with the wiring in her house. I suggest she checks the amperage and voltage of her outlets. Maybe that's what's making the toaster malfunction. Or maybe it's that one Gremlin in the 2nd movie that got turned into electricity being mischievous.

@Puchuchi747

5 жыл бұрын

I loved GREMLINS 2! Such a crappy movie, bit comical! Lol kudos from Florida!

She does so well explaining her views and debating ideologies!

Darn Gremlins keep burning my toast.

Mark thought he was very intelligent. I think he questions that thought after this but I am sure he will talk himself back into that again.

Well done the pair of you. Cheers Mike

I am happy for my atheist perspective, that let's me see the beauty in the universe and truthfully face the difficult parts of life.

My goodness Tracie has massively impressive round perfect arguments...

@BigHeretic

4 жыл бұрын

*Paul Lalouette* Yes she does ...........she does. Impressively round. Perfect.....

@jeanbrodeur9667

4 жыл бұрын

Well put

@roberttee8426

3 жыл бұрын

Settle down hillbilly

Sadly , Buddhists - at least in Myanmar, have blown their reputation as pacifists...

@_-AB-_

4 жыл бұрын

Have your homes raided for almost a century, little girls being abducted and forcefully converted. Anyway, it was *one* buddhist and it happened when rohingya had audacity to attack army as well. Edit: basically army did it. And that too when police consistently failed to take any action.

i can actually respect this guy. he sounds slightly willing to change his mind and is very honest

He can't imagine it, therefore magic. He obviously can imagine invisible magical beings.

SO MANY RECEPTACLES

I have a wristwatch that acts as a lion deterrent. Of course it works, how many lions have you seen around here? Is essentially the guy's argument.

His entire argument is an appeal to personal incredulity.

The Dunning Kruger effect at its finest !!!😂😂

Traci could tell me absolutely anything and I'd believe it... especially when she's wearing that top... sweet merciful Jesus.

God = the most prolific serial killer in history he kills whole planets what the hell.

@ishmaelkelly6686

5 жыл бұрын

I somewhat agree with you except for one fact , and that is there is no God to destroy any planets

@jonathanconnor7920

4 жыл бұрын

@@ishmaelkelly6686 Yahweh did, with a global flood.

@ArKritz84

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanconnor7920 Too bad no contemporary civilizations/cultures around the world seem to remember anything about being drowned.

@tarilasofiyea724

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArKritz84 wouldn’t that make sense because they were all wiped out?

@ArKritz84

3 жыл бұрын

@@tarilasofiyea724 it would, if all the historical evidence of their existence was from after the time the flood was supposed to have taken place. This is not the case. Nor is there any geological evidence of a global flood. And there would be. Whether or not there was a global flood ~4500 years ago makes no difference to scientists.

This show is used to wake people up, it sure did me

I now believe in the all-mighty, universe creating Eric!!!

Mark tried every possible way to get a car without paying for one and it took tax payers much money to try the easy method most drivers procure their first car.... get dad to buy one for you. Geez, what a maroon. give him a coconut!

Tracie... You are amazing. Kudos!

Incredible. He didn't listen to a word you said and just immediately switched back to his original story.

Those demonstrable toaster metaphysics get me every time...

Man, this guy was so close to getting it, he just seems to find it hard to overcome the concept of starting from his own conclusion

One giant steaming argument from ignorance.

I have an incredibly hard time trying to wrap my head around how the universe began, like how there was nothing and then suddenly there was something. But despite the fact that I can’t understand it, I’d say “I don’t know” before believing that a magical sky fairy created everything.

As soon as they mention jail the alarm bells started ringing. When these people come to their senses that what they’ve been doing is wrong, they fall into christianity knowing they are going to be forgiven. I have personally met a few of these types and they’re all the same. When their conscience kick in, they have to find a way to live with themselves,

Yet you can imagine a being more infinite than the universe coming into being without a creator...

In every rain drop is a universe. A creation without a creator

you can almost hear the gears working in the amazingly imaginative mind (?) of this dude ...

This toaster story is hundred times more convincing of something supernatural than every religion. At least you have something you can't explain and when you test it you repeatedly have the same outcome.

The caller sounded familiar to me & then it hit me 🤣 He sounds like the kid from "Ownage Pranks" that Tyrone called to get the golden cat back. The kid was dumped and his ex-gf's new bf calls him. It's hilarious!

Celestial Droppings! It took this guy about 16 minutes to realize that "I don't know" is the most honest answer, if you really don't know!

The difference between me and people like Mark, is that I really don't mind not knowing. If the evidence should present itself, fantastic. But I'm much more interested in living in the here & now and enjoying the experience as it happens and not fretting about the cause of it. And I'm certainly not interested in clinging to fantasies like pieces of driftwood because I'm afraid I'll go crazy if I believe in nothing. Admitting you don't know something is not the same as believing in nothing. Pretending you do know something when you don't is much closer to believing in nothing because when you make assumption & presumptions or come up with falsehoods, the truth has no way in.

He's got experience of the universe being created beautiful Eric .

"Interesting" at that moment he knew he fukd up. Tracie knew it too. 🤣🤣

He does understand 'position from personal experience' as he was apologising for using that as a first point.

Absolutely perfect. Religious people need to be honest, and learn to say "I dont know" instead of saying something it cannot be demonstrated.

"I can't even wrack my imagination and imagine how the universe could have come into existence without an higher intelligent creative being that brought itnunto existence. I just can't see how that could be possible." So...the fallacious argument from incredulity. Cool story, bro

Lucky for the caller there are no wirelessly powered technology toasters yet, otherwise we may have to resort to magic as an explanation if there are no receptacles to troubleshoot. :P But this was a good session and the thought process really churned for the caller.

I don't understand...Therefore god. A PERFECT example of the argument from incredulity fallacy.

super love Tracie's Wild being.

Not the Impossible Faith by Richard Carrier soundly refutes the claim that Christianity required anything special to begin. No different than any other religion.