This video is 15 years old and I'm still listening to the same argument over and over again today.

@danniealexander4131

5 жыл бұрын

Yup. 90%of them say the same things over and over

@MrLILv104

5 жыл бұрын

troy lenz Atheism doesn’t really answer anything. He had lots of word plays but I walked away feeling a sense of ignorance from atheism towards what religious text say. It’s really sad that atheist place judgement on Christianity without even a proper understanding of the text. Or even acknowledging the importance of truth. What moral law objectifies a atheist to tell the truth? Tbh we all love and experience the supernatural expression of meaning. go love your family, love your friends. I can’t tell you to live a good life because I don’t think for the atheism, materialism and naturalism will give you hope for the future or to say stop evil. Life is pointless, existence is an accident. Love is fiction. Makes sense why individuals commit suicide, no has a meaning for life. Violence has become the only absolute in our sector world. Christianity is your only hope for peace and good in this universe. Without it they is nothing. Islam will kill you, atheism will depress you, paganism will fool you, Judaism has denied you, Buddhism has disconnected form you, Hinduism is paganism and the new age is paganism. Your life is pointless, your love is pointless, Justice is made up, no absolutes means no science. Good thing is most would disagree with my are absolutes statements, your life isn’t pointless but only Christianity justifies morality, creation, provides evidence for the claims, is supernatural, gives you peace and will change the world for the better. Plus on top of that you get to be part of a long story of how God has completely transformed the lives of billions today, the past and the days to come. I believe we will all meet our creator. God will honor the choices you make in this life. We are souls with bodies, not bodies with souls. They persecute Christians in the Middle East because of fear Jesus will fix and bring justice, the persecute us in the West because God has morality and they will soon persecute us for loving God and loving our neighbors. Morality in secular morality without God is simply a popularity vote, slavery was legal, so don’t expect your government to listen to you like they always do. Pure morality without God is powerless to individuals who see violence as an absolute. As islam begins to invade our society, with no Christianity to defend it, society will have no rights to overcome. Good thing I believe God has given all Christians the responsibility to be the light of this world, Jesús Christ leading all of humanity towards righteousness and truth. Truly the only light of this world is Jesus, if that’s not the case you were born very unlucky to be born in such a disturbingly violent word. Until atheism disproves the origin of the universe and objective morality it’s going to be a faith of the heartless and people that rebel against the idea of universal justice. The Gospel is about having faith in Jesus Christ, so you don’t have to suffer what is being brought and caused by those that rebel against the good and holy God. No place in heaven or Earth will escape God’s judgement when he destroys all the evil doers. As Christians I can only lead you towards the truth but if you choose to live in rebellion against the alternative love God has given you God will give you what your heart desires. So they is peace, have faith in Jesus so the supernatural spiritual born will take place in your heart. I love you. I wish you the best in this dying world. 16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God." (‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭16-21‬ ESV)

@johnlopperman2161

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrLILv104 So you say. So what?

@Notahacker420

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrLILv104 Why should anyone think what the bible says is true? None of it is demonstrable. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. So on and so forth...

@stephenmurphy9926

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrLILv104 can't answer everything you said in your essay but I think you have 1 thing wrong. You seem intelligent but when you say until atheist prove. Need to stop you there. Atheist don't need to prove anything. Atheist are not making a claim and I can't speak for everyone but I think religion does a lot of good for most people. But you make it sound like atheist is faith based. As if I have faith that God does not exist. It is not this. It's that I don't believe you when you tell me he/she does. Your the person who has faith he does. I don't have faith in supernatural. Not without proof. I'm not saying your wrong I'm just saying I don't think your right. If you could prove it to me I would love that because it would answer a lot about life. But it's ok to say I don't know. I don't know why we are here. I don't know why family members die and get cancer. I still love just like you do. Bible and gospel may be proof to you but for me I don't choose to believe it. I could write a book claiming I am god and in a thousand years time somebody can't read my book and say it is proof that I was. Before you make assumptions I was a Christian most my life. Even use to be a altur boy when I was small. I have read the Bible and studied and did exams on religion in school. And now I'm glad to be free of the fear that if I did I might not go to heaven. I use to question god and be afraid of hell. Now I just want to live a happy loving life without god because I think it's all bullshit. If I'm wrong sure he will forgive me. Or he will burn me in hell whatever doesn't bother me because I don't believe it

"what do you guys use to verify your lack of belief?" Is like asking "what brand of clubs do you use to not play golf?"

@lucofparis4819

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, considering that an awful amount of christians are clearly unable to distinguish between having a crisis of faith, and not believing at all, I kinda get why he asked this question, even though it was a misguided one. It speaks to the degree of doxastic isolation he lives in.

This caller just confirmed the reason why I have no guilt with sleeping in on Sundays.

@paxmule

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly!!

@uncertainty7421

5 жыл бұрын

Lol.😂

@lincthomas7178

4 жыл бұрын

or saturday

@equinoxproject2284

4 жыл бұрын

@@lincthomas7178 holla back Adventists.

@lincthomas7178

4 жыл бұрын

@@equinoxproject2284 what about em? I was one once and then I grew up, Saturday was the original sabbath until Constantine changed it to sunday, anyways, old joke, don't really give a fuck about that stuff anymore

Whenever a christian tries explaining his religion, it always sounds like the same, tired, broken record

There are hundreds of stories about Robin Hood and his merry men. The merry men were willing to die for Robin. Therefore all the stories are true.

@joecoolioness6399

2 жыл бұрын

And my Aunt in Australia has a book with the exact same story, so blammo AHoodists!!

@rikukoskela2791

2 жыл бұрын

Robin Hood doesn't have magical powers. More believable!

@skullduggerysmiles8393

2 жыл бұрын

Robin Hood is a mythical figure, he didn't exist. Remind you of anyone.

@tedgrant2

2 жыл бұрын

@@skullduggerysmiles8393 Popeye is a mirthical figure. He is not histerically true. But I love him all the same !

@skullduggerysmiles8393

2 жыл бұрын

@@tedgrant2 love the word mirthical, I nearly missed that and I'm so glad I didn't. Just off to eat my spinach. Love and peace.

This reminds me of a call Matt took after an E-Mail exchange: “What proof do you have that atheism is true?” “I already told you, your question is nonsensical.” “OK, but what proof do you have that atheism is true?” CLICK

@trishayamada807

5 жыл бұрын

Colin Baker i really hate the superiority of theists when they claim they know I believe I’m just angry at god or some other nonsense. I’m not angry, I don’t believe a god even exists! What makes me angry is you thinking you know what I think and believe. It’s so incredibly arrogant.

@stagweberVMad

4 жыл бұрын

@@trishayamada807 I also get that argument used against Atheism. How can an atheist be angry at something that does not exist. If I were angry at God I would have to be a believer!

@keithpopko2540

4 жыл бұрын

@@stagweberVMad Yup. I'm as mad at God as I am at Lord Voldemort.

@armandoc.3150

4 жыл бұрын

Haha this thread is so mad xD

@stevewebber707

4 жыл бұрын

@@armandoc.3150 Christianity can cause a lot of situations that generate anger. I guess a theist might see an angry atheist and make assumptions on what they're angry about. I know I get a bit angry when I see someone intimidated by threats of hellfire if they don't behave like a good Christian.

This guy is the typical Christian machine gun blabbermouth, talk talk and talk and do not listen to any reply.

@ralfhaggstrom9862

5 жыл бұрын

YEP.

@robsaxepga

4 жыл бұрын

And even crazier, Bertrand Russell talked about these issues in the 30's and 40's. It goes back way further than that.

@robsaxepga

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 it's a good thought. I agree

@armandoc.3150

4 жыл бұрын

Lol morons. I bet no one here can tell the difference between Catholicism and christianity. I bet no one can tell the difference between each sect of christianity and why it's there, yet the people who are christian are ignorant? Lol the poor minds of people being brainwashed and only learning history they deem important rather than considering all of history important. Even if you guys can tell the difference it seems you would all rather live in your ignorance rather than learn it for yourself. You dont need to listen to a preacher or go to church to be christian btw, in case no one knew that.

@armandoc.3150

4 жыл бұрын

@Timothy Mostad Why would they?

I can’ t even imagine how every day life would be for a person like this caller.

@barkYdarkATFB

4 жыл бұрын

I can. Lived it for several decades.

@theletterm1787

4 жыл бұрын

@@barkYdarkATFB do tell

@Stefus87

4 жыл бұрын

I often feel like life would be a whole lot easier if I believed in a Christian god. I don't think the looming existential crisis would hit me so hard, and death would be so much easier since you believe you will see your loved ones again in a perfect setting.

@ween69

4 жыл бұрын

@@Stefus87 good drugs have the same effect .

@hossamtarek2272

3 жыл бұрын

God’s blessing, mercy, and peace be upon you, my beloved reader 😊. Let me ask some questions as I want to invite you to worship the creator with mental evidence ❤️. Firstly, why the maker of the Holy Quran put the challenge of creating 1 chapter like that in the Quran which has 114 chapters? Also, why there is no one from more than 1400 years ago who could do the challenge? Secondly, why there are more than 40 scientific miracles In the Quran? how can who made the Holy Quran tell us about scientific facts in different fields like the expansion and the origin of the universe? Thirdly, why we are created in the most beautiful shape? Fourthly, why there are about 5000 people convert to Islam every year in Britain only? they have brains like us. Make sure that your explanation contains the answer to the four questions. Ask your creator for guidance. he is the merciful and gracious than you ever thought 🥺.

This is such a valuable video! This particular caller hits on just about every piece of Christian apologetics in such a short time, and his illogic is shown again and again. If you want a "condensed, Reader's Digest" version of what you're likely to hear from Christians, and simple logical rebuttals, this is an excellent place to look!

That’s like saying “how do you know your lack of belief in Bigfoot is true” lol

@TheTruthKiwi

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@ween69

4 жыл бұрын

there is more proof for bigfeet then for a god bigfoot 1 god 0

@TheTruthKiwi

4 жыл бұрын

@@ween69 agree 100%

@bms77

3 жыл бұрын

@@ween69 I agree 100% that there’s more evidence for a bipedal “undiscovered by science” animal in mainly the Pacific Northwest than we have for Christianity being true or there being a god. I totally agree. It’s actually not even that much of a stretch to think there could be an animal like this we just haven’t gotten hard core proof for. No super natural claims needed.. I agree

It takes a long time and lots of patience to de-indoctrinate someone.

@クォーク核ダーク

5 жыл бұрын

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

@arthurhunt642

4 жыл бұрын

YES

@keithpopko2540

4 жыл бұрын

@@クォーク核ダーク I sure do miss Carl.

How Do You Know Atheism is True? Because I am one.

@Sammie551

2 жыл бұрын

Clever

People used to think slavery was ok. Now we don't. That's progress.

@tedgrant2

2 жыл бұрын

@Jit Phachit Excellent additional points.

@bahamutstear1369

2 жыл бұрын

Bible says you should treat your slaves well and not beat them that line alone tells me the whole thing is a lie

@tedgrant2

2 жыл бұрын

@@bahamutstear1369 What really upsets me about slavery in the Bible is the discrimination against female slaves. "If a man sells his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do" You can easily tell from the context that "servant" is the wrong word. The translator, being dishonest, tried to hide the truth. (Exodus 21:7)

@gollumtheartisticnewt1028

2 жыл бұрын

@@bahamutstear1369 The Bible says you can't kill the slave or beat them so badly that they die in under two days. Beating someone who dies 3 days later for my excessively high ethical standards, is abuse.

@FourDeuce01

2 жыл бұрын

@@gollumtheartisticnewt1028 Actually the bible says if your slave dies from your beating, you have to pay a fine.😜

The real miracle here is finding 4 men in the middle east named Mathew, Mark, luke and John.

@HassanMohamoud-lg2xw

5 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@necko2529

5 жыл бұрын

Guy Parris, LoL!

@necko2529

5 жыл бұрын

@@HassanMohamoud-lg2xw poor Rev. Dr. Prof. Dino, ROFL!!!

@tjw9985

5 жыл бұрын

And to find all the Marys. Lemme see... mother of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, Lazarus' sister, the other Mary at the crucifixion... Possibly one more...

@nexxxus6

4 жыл бұрын

I love this! 😊

What difference has atheism made in my life? Well I stopped spreading all the hatred that is spouted by Christianity.

@lightningbrigade4722

4 жыл бұрын

If the whole world was atheists there would still be wars. Athiests hate as much as theists, its human nature.

@travisrhodus1362

4 жыл бұрын

@@lightningbrigade4722 It's easier to call you a stupid hate-filled liar 😅 I don't promise that the dolphins & the unicorns will learn to talk. But, I do promise conflicts will continue to be greatly reduced as religiosity particularly in positions of power declines. You equivocate that not thiests necessarily must have the same specific pressures & modes of thought as nasty ass abrahamics-- kinda like how priests act like even 'demons' follow their self-hating anti-human..I mean anti-fornication rules 😂 An abject lack of creativity that only forsaking all reality for a buy bull can bring. Don't take my word for it, look @ all the medieval flatlander homunculus baby Jebus paintings: they are consistently hideous to reflect toxic thought 🤣👍

@lightningbrigade4722

4 жыл бұрын

@@travisrhodus1362 Thanks for the insults and the hateful words. Thanks for making my point.

@travisrhodus1362

4 жыл бұрын

@@lightningbrigade4722 Oh you're w/c 😁 I appreciate your honesty in your desire to purport a false balance. So, what's the great innovation that allows wars to be fought on harsh language? 😅 Harsh for you being any pushback ever.. Theists never have been able to explain nor care about their incongruity of: gawd is definitely loving, gawd is definitely logical, gawd definitely modeled humans after gawd, ergo humans are definitely hateful & can never comprehend gawd. You make little sense, which must be problematic for theists as your 'faith' when applied to your own senses/reason/heart goes as peacefully as if you threw a bar of sodium into the pool 😅 You want to make no sense @all!

@Stefus87

4 жыл бұрын

@@lightningbrigade4722 There would still be wars, because there would still be idiots. But if you talk about morality, you should compare what percentage of the population identify as atheists with the the percentage prison population that identify as atheists. Also, I am yet to see any bombings/murders being made in the name of atheism. "Allah ghyr mawjud!!!". That is not to say no atheists has never killed anyone, but none of them killed because of their religious (or lack thereof) belief.

"You're an atheist because you just wanna SIN!!" Every time the hosts backed the caller into a corner he tried to change the topic and move the goalposts. He obviously didn't know his bible and supporting texts as well as he thought.

They got him really good about the moral absolute of stealing. So funny!

This caller doesn't know that the Gospels are not eyewitness accounts and don't claim to be. He keeps talking about history. The Gospels are not historical anything. The thousands of manuscripts are from the 5th, 8th and 9th century. There is nothing from the 1st century and scraps from the second century. All these "thousands of manuscripts" are just copies of copies. This proves nothing.

@foreveragainOK

5 жыл бұрын

The vast majority of classical scholars would disagree with you. For one intro, I suggest Dr. Craig Evans' 'Fabricating Jesus - How Modern Scholars Distort the Gospels.' This is a refutation of Dr. Bart Ehrman's contention that the NT can't be trusted, for the reasons you mention. Also, read Ehrman's 'When Jesus Became God' his theory that Jesus was made deity by his followers much later and then read Evans' 'When God Became Jesus' theorizing an early Christology, from weeks from Jesus' resurrection. Dr. Richard Bauckham is one of the leading lights in early Christology, also. You can also research Dr. James A. Bloom, physicist on the prophecy of Tyre, which overviews the accuracy of prophecies. One would not say to a Russian speaker (when one didn't know Russian) that he was speaking nonsense. Neither can one use the same methodology in critiquing the Bible. From a scholar's standpoint you have to learn exegesis, for one thing. Otherwise, you''re just shooting from the hip. The vast majority of scholars, again, have long refuted the skeptical charges against the Bible, yet they appear again and again in each generation that hasn't learned history. And, yet, two of the Gospels are direct eye witness accounts. All four have passed all acid tests, far above any other works. Little wonder that Shakespeare's last will and testament: "My Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ." Also, the letters of Paul were written even before the Gospels. In 2 Cor. 15, for example, a creed in use in Christian circles from 2 to 5 years of Jesus' resurrection: Jesus died, rose on the third day, seen by 500, etc. Btw, see Sir Lionel Luckhoo on Jesus' resurrection, or Dr. Gary Habermas. But unless one is sincere enough to actually study the subject, then these brief comments won't be of much help. Just research that the greatest minds in history have been mostly Christians, science, art, music, literature, law, etc. Even Napoleon, hardly a Christian, said (with two witnesses including his closest friend), "Jesus was no mere man. He is above all who have ever lived." (paraphrasing).

@MnyFrNthng

5 жыл бұрын

@foreveragainOK Do you think you really put some evidence forward about the validity of the bible? :-) Who cares what Shakespeare or Napoleon said or whether the greatest minds in history were Christians? Also, you give passages from the bible to prove that the bible is true. Well, then I will start posting passages from Harry Potter to prove that Harry Potter is real. Seriously? lol

@mr.mcbeavy1443

5 жыл бұрын

@@foreveragainOK Citing the "greatest minds in history" that believe in a god is not convincing evidence when many lived at a time when claiming to not believe in any gods could get you killed. Can you say "inquisition"? "Crusades" ? Forced belief under threat of death is what convinces me that god, if he exists at all, is a dick and he can kiss my ass.

@rgibbs421

5 жыл бұрын

Bad copies

@davidhatcher7016

5 жыл бұрын

John Morris really?

"Don't try to make me make sense while I'm preaching at you!"

15:38. "....photocopy and bring it back." This shows the mental gymnastics the religionist is forced to assume.

@riffhammeron

Жыл бұрын

Like the piece of paper is the valuable thing and not the information.

Wagner is awesome. Miss him on the Atheist Experience.

None of the gospels are eyewitness accounts. Lol.

@brucebaker810

5 жыл бұрын

WE know that. THEY fall for the 3rd century labels.

@tylerkasuboski3366

4 жыл бұрын

WHAT??? So the mass zombie picnic in Matthew never happened???

"You should photo copy it and put it back" absolutely brilliant.

@KCDW83

4 жыл бұрын

Tap dancing its finest.

“Well lemme ask you this.” Still one of the favorite tactics of religious apologists after one of their arguments fails. 😂 “It would be ridiculous for christians to quote somebody who wasn’t a christian.” Trey says after quoting Josephus.😂

The caller does not want to have a discussion, he just wants to preach about one of the 5,000 thousand Christian denominations.

They have much more patience with this caller than I would.

God creates man. God sets a standard that none of his creations can meet. God creates a loophole so humans don't have to meet his impossible standards. Humans call god merciful for creating the loophole to circumvent the rules he made. Seriously?

@joecoolioness6399

2 жыл бұрын

And he supposedly knew this ahead of time but still created us. Yup, that sounds reasonable.

I absolutely LOVE Ashley and Martin's tactic here, and I feel that modern hosts of nowadays like in AXP, Talk Heathen and other popular atheist debaters lack it. This tactic of backing the person into a corner when the person tries to dishonstly dodge and deflect and move to a different point and directly trying to force the person to answer the question or address something that went unaddressed. This is the only right way to combat dishonest debate from theists and apologists.

Christianity: The assertion that a magical invisible genie is trying to save you from a punishment that he's arbitrarily decided to inflict on everyone because he created them unable to meet the impossible standards that he arbitrarily set, with perfect foreknowledge.

@KCDW83

4 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍👍 perfect assessment.

@mbrum3230

2 жыл бұрын

and as Carlin said, he will send you burn and torture until the end of time...but he loves you.

I don't "research" fictions, my plate's been overflowing with reality for more than 86 years & counting.

@jameskelly3745

2 жыл бұрын

❤❤❤❤❤❤

We have a saying in YORKSHIRE. You can't educate pork !!!

@Meansnare

5 жыл бұрын

John Rhodes you sir, have quite obviously never heard of babe, or babe 2: pig in the city 🐖

@eleSDSU

3 жыл бұрын

@@Meansnare You sir are unaware that pork is different from pig, pork is a pig that has been butchered.

~ All these years later, and this video still more interesting and truthful than any one of the 10+ or more DELUSIONAL and harmful religious channels on my cable package today in 2019! Thank you, Martin, Ashley & TAE for TRUTH. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~

"If I keep stealing his stuff, he's going to thump me" and "I don't want to get thumped" Why are those lines so funny to me?

@bigdickpornsuperstar

5 жыл бұрын

Because you have the mental image of the little guy beating down the inverted pyramid sitting next to him.... at least that's what got a snicker out of me.

@jeffwells1255

4 жыл бұрын

Because that's a word that Monty Python used a lot!

I had this debate recently with some work colleagues who spent 2 hours brow beating me that “atheism is a belief system”. It took me two painful hours of repetition that atheism is a position on one single issue and claim and not a belief in anything.

@ChessArmyCommander

Жыл бұрын

You cannot be neutral coherently, about "first principles" regarding the necessary preconditions of human existence. Especially the very first principle of God. The expression of neutrality regarding the preconditions of rationality itself, is absurd upon examination, then of course, we find that the propositional content which constitutes the negation of the principles is even more ridiculous.

I don't believe in any gods. How do I know it's true ? I don't pray, I don't donate to any religious organisation and I think God is fiction. That pretty much shows that I don't believe in any gods.

@whitegoose2017

5 жыл бұрын

Some of them might say, "You just say that because you hate GAWD!" What utter nonsense.

@tedgrant2

5 жыл бұрын

@@whitegoose2017 Not quite right. I love and admire the character Guard in story books, although I prefer Popeye.

@rgibbs421

5 жыл бұрын

Yup pretty easy to prove that one.

@tedgrant2

5 жыл бұрын

@@rgibbs421 Which one ?

@rgibbs421

5 жыл бұрын

Easy to prove when one does not believe in God.

If we built a time machine and sent David Blaine back two thousand years ago, there would be a religion based on his life.

@KCDW83

4 жыл бұрын

😆😆😆😆😆😆😆👍 Do you mind me "stealing" that one?😉

The caller says that the differences between the accounts in the gospels count to prove they are accurate. Then he says the fact that manuscripts around the world being (supposedly) identical prove they are accurate. Seems like anything and everything is used for evidence when you are a presuppositionalist.

@CuongNguyen-le5ic

5 жыл бұрын

Many comic about SpiderMan exists, in 1000 years after World War III or something, we'll have people dig up and finally conclude SpiderMan did exist and was a SuperHeroes since many editions only differ a little on so many countries all around the world and New York city is in ruin. So with this guy logic, SpiderMan and every superheroes must exist just like comic show or LIght Novel. Maybe we should name a city Metropolis and Gotham to show future religious people that Superman and Batman also exist.

@CuongNguyen-le5ic

5 жыл бұрын

Not to mention many Chinese Deity, Fairies were all HISTORICAL figures, but they all got pass down to present as more than humans. That is easiest to prove there since China's history goes back to 5000 years. Only one few things I like about China, they tried to get rid of religions, but they use religion's strategy to brainwash and CONTROL people the same which I often said religions and China's government share many similarity.

The manuscripts the caller is referring to are copies, he even says so. But copies of a story (if the story is Fictitious) do not lend credibility to the story. I have a copy of The Hobbit, and there are 100,000,000's of copies of The Hobbit, and they are word for word the same. I guess that makes it a true story at least according to the caller.

@whitegoose2017

5 жыл бұрын

There's exactly the same evidence for believing in Tolkien's fictional fantasy world as true as believing in the Bible. You can take it all on faith and believe that we actually live in the Middle-Earth. Maybe Middle-East is Mordor? Heh.

@whitegoose2017

5 жыл бұрын

​@@hellawaits867 Tolkien also found great inspiration in Kalevala, an epic finnic tale. Deity Eru in Tolkien's world sung everything into existence.

@CuongNguyen-le5ic

5 жыл бұрын

I don't remember who make this example, but 1000 years in the future, New York is in ruin and there are comic, Light Novel and everything about Peter Parker all over the world, some of them conflict from each others and some of them with different editions, but they all talk the same, Peter Parker is a Spider Man, a superhero who protected New York city. Since New York City is ruined, but there are plenty of evident it exists and fit almost perfectly to the comic, does that mean Peter Parker aka Spider Man exist?

@jeffwells1255

4 жыл бұрын

You mean it's NOT?!

If gods were real we would not be having these rediculous conversations!

@jameskelly3745

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly 💯

I just love Martin, what a classy man. Ashley was such a good host!

This is one of those questions that are just wrong. "How do you know atheism is accurate and correct?" "Do you follow the teachings of Charles Darwin?" "If humans come from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?"

@whitegoose2017

5 жыл бұрын

He didn't know what atheism means before this conversation and it begs the question did he really learn what it meant on this conversation?

@ecocentrichomestead6783

5 жыл бұрын

"If humans come from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?" - that question is proof positive that the person knows almost nothing about evolution.

@nosfrattirek5690

5 жыл бұрын

@@JarlGrimmToys If beef comes from cows, why are there still cows?

@stevenbryant4718

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Tirek, did your parents die when you were born?

@joecoolioness6399

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevenbryant4718 I think he was pointing out the absurdity of the questions. I hope anyway.

"Verify your lack of belief..." I think they missed on opportunity here to just ask "how would you do that?"

@whocares3591

2 жыл бұрын

He would just say the Bible...and I have faith

I thoroughly enjoyed this Martin has always been my first favorite! So full of relevant knowledge

I do love being an atheist though I never been happier since I gave up the nonsense of believing in Christianity :-) I don't sit around and worrying about going to the Jesus forever torment of hell! Yes I'm very much happier as an atheist.

@jameskelly3745

2 жыл бұрын

Meeeee 2👍👍👍👍👍

@JB-zd8gv

2 жыл бұрын

I feel a little opposite. When I was religious my faith always helped me calm down everytime is was nervous or worrying. It helped me alot during my hard childhood And I miss also when I believed there would be a afterlife where i could meet my dead relatives again But I am an atheist today because my religious faith was wishful thinking

May as well argue bigfoots shoe size

@ninjabluefyre3815

3 жыл бұрын

"Big"

Damn and I thought flat earthers were stubborn.

15:07 “aaat aat No weaseling!!” 😂😂 that made my day

Every time I hear "thousands of manuscripts" I laugh a manuscript can be a discarded piece of torn packing patchment with just a dozen or less words on it.

Matt Dillahunty chiming in at 11:00 "At least a hundred years after Jesus!" Guy couldnt wait to host it himself, lol!

Buy into my Christian cult or you're finished.

@chadrasmussen6127

3 жыл бұрын

Lol ok

It's difficult to win an argument with a genius. It's impossible to win one against an idiot.

Goddamn. Why is it so hard for someone to wrap their head that we atheist just simply do not believe

This guy just called in to preach his immoral belief system, called Christinsanity,

“The human race has suffered for centuries and is still suffering from the mental disorder known as religion, and atheism is the only physician that will be able to effect a permanent cure.” (Joseph Lewis)

Q: What difference has atheism made in your life? That's like asking what difference has not believing in astrology made in your life. What difference has a non belief in Bigfoot made in your life? What difference has not speaking Chinese made in your life? What difference has not learning to play guitar made in your life? Nonsensical questions..

Omg listening to this caller Makes me wanna gauge my eyes out!!

@techtipsuk

5 жыл бұрын

or ears

@aaronrosman7556

5 жыл бұрын

Vegan Nurse Traveler America

@Longtack55

5 жыл бұрын

Put the gouge down nurse.

There's a point unaddressed in the "CIA stealing plans for terror attack" scenario. The point of your action is not merely to get the plans, it's to *deprive the enemy* of the plans. Trey's idea of making a copy goes only half way, & leaves the potential victims still hugely at risk. Doing the *other* half measure he might have mooted (destroying the plans) is equally silly: there might be multiple copies, and we still don't know who, how or where. Further point: Trey seems to say you, the CIA spook, should rate your own post-mortem bliss higher than the victims' lives. Is *that* moral?

@KCDW83

4 жыл бұрын

Don't ask trey to logic, he's obviously no good at it.

Imagine how wonderful the world would be if we all believed in each other and not in some mystical old man in the sky?

@Beamshipcaptain

4 жыл бұрын

Bubber Cakes And a caucasian European old man at that!

@joecoolioness6399

2 жыл бұрын

And how much fucking money would be available to boost our economies.

@_Somsnosa_

2 жыл бұрын

So much time, money, resources and energy wasted on religious nonsense.

Go Martin! This is an old ep but I love his articulation here

My brain hurts listening to this caller lmfao!

How does Trey know his lack of belief in Zeus is true?

There are no moral absolutes. The world is complicated and sometimes the ends justify the means.

Excellent post - Thanks!

He went from one bad argument to another, and basically covered all of the worst apologetics arguments in one call.

I'm so thankful for Trey, he's partially responsible for helping me leave Christianity.

@BrianGay57

4 жыл бұрын

My fellow Christians got online and helped me loose my Christianity (if not all of my belief in god) pretty fast.

@shookreeseeree4

4 жыл бұрын

And I'm thankful for people like this caller who made me think critically about my Muslim faith..religion is so outdated..

The caller says all have sinned and no one can keep the commands of God. Who does he think (according to Christianity) is the one that designed the system to work that way? Who created a universe in which "all would sin" and "No one can keep Gods command"? Who created and designed that? Oh yeah, that would be his God!

Hands down the best earliest episode

*Confirmation Bias*

This dude is a ranting lunatic.

The caller is just machine gunning the show with nonsense. It doesn’t matter if you refute an argument because 5 seconds later there will be some new nonsense to replace it.

Moral absolutes are like a zero tolerance policy. Both are cowardly ways to defer the responsibility to make one's own judgments.

The caller doesn't listen. He hears, but doesn't listen.

The stories are all different, thereby ''proving'' them accurate. (just like math) Christian logic.

@SHAKA-NEU-LU

4 жыл бұрын

JOHN L OPPERMAN right. They complement each other. That guy had a good answer 👎🏾. Lol

This one was a hard core believer old School \m/ 😂

It's such a pleasure to listen to a mind disappearing down rabbit holes.

“What would you do in that situation” “Let me tell you about Christianity” Lmao

There are millions of books about Harry Potter and they all say exactly the same things. Therefore Harry Potter exists and magic tricks are real.

@chadrasmussen6127

4 жыл бұрын

Lol dude I love Harry Potter

So frustrating that this caller thinks his assertions are valid arguments for a God!

I swear, every time I watch these, I go from agnostic atheist to positive atheist. And I’m convinced that Martin exists.

This guy isn't listening to anything that is being said, he just wants to hear his own voice

@KCDW83

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely obvious.

"Of course there's a god. Look at the trees....."

@brucebaker810

5 жыл бұрын

WHERE??? DAMMIT. Looked too late. Musta missed them. I'll wait. Maybe they'll come back.

@jameskelly3745

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Having 4 conflicting stories is proof that it's true? lol

14:29 This segment was brill, Martin 👍

Game set and match What an pick!

Christianity steals your mind

Trey doesn't understand what historicity is and how it's used to back up historical claims. He also doesn't seem to understand that morality seems to have evolved as humans began to live in groups larger than families or tribes.

@joecoolioness6399

2 жыл бұрын

Morality is the act of behaving the way society expects. So, yeah, it changes. Slavery was moral at the time it was accepted by society. People alive today thinking they would never have owned a slave cannot possibly know that. What if 2000 years from now owning an animal as a pet is deemed immoral. Those people would be sitting there saying, If I was alive in 2021 I would never have owned a dog. Bullshit.

What a thick headed caller unwilling to confront truths and evidence! He ducts all questions.

That Christian's brain is squeaky clean.

The caller complains that atheists just want to do whatever they want... and then explains that HE can do whatever he wants, so long he asks for forgiveness...

@KCDW83

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. 👍

That guy is sickly deluded.

That's why I sin constantly. I know I will be forgiven for everything I do. It's great taking my savior for granted constantly. He totally doesn't mind

0:05 That synchronicity was uncanny 👀

@ericmishima

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

If we can never obey the commandments themselves, then why have any and what would be wrong with everyone having their own morality anyway?

Next time they throw the believe thing in your face again tell them we believe they have no evidence for the existence of their god.

@Sharingan1666

5 жыл бұрын

Belief is a matter of faith, though. We know they can't provide any (real) evidence, so there's nothing to believe. At least in that context.

James Bond 007: No Time to steal, Time to find a Scanner

The hosts didn’t direct this conversation well. They let it drift out of control.

So basically, atheists have no morals because they don't believe that one specific god's alleged rules are accurate. But christians are moral because they are allowed to break all of those rules, since they are already forgiven for it. Got it. Makes perfect sense now.

@ericmishima

3 жыл бұрын

IKR?! [Edit] like the apistivist pic

Caller: "We are all born sinners, but there's a way out of it ...." AXP: "yes, there's a way out of it and its reason and Atheism" Mic Drop moment.

@dmclegg66

2 жыл бұрын

If there is no god there are no sins.

@krishnav5122

2 жыл бұрын

@@dmclegg66 There ARE NO SINS. we, humans define what is good and what is bad - always have.

@dmclegg66

2 жыл бұрын

@@krishnav5122 yeah but that's not what sin means,sin is a wrong agenst God not what's right or wrong so no God means no sin.

@krishnav5122

2 жыл бұрын

@@dmclegg66 i literally said there are no sins - because there is no god. I didnt say sin is bad moral stuff. I am clarifying good and bad. Yes, I am clarifying because some religious have no distinction between sin and morality because God dictates for them.

Holy fuck look how synchronized they are at 0:04. That's the Devil's work right there.

Round and round we go, I'm dizzy.