Minister Caller | Atheist Experience 340
The Atheist Experience 340 2004-04-18 with Ashley Perrien and Jeff Dee.
Jeff Dee takes a minister to task for, well, just about everything. There's also come followup details at the end.
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"You speak out of ignorance." Said the preacher who wears ignorance like a badge of honor.
@ArcherMVMaster
2 жыл бұрын
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@richardandis3227
Жыл бұрын
❤❤I ⁵
@guybrush1701
6 ай бұрын
Right?!?! This guy knew Jack shit about the Bible. Should be ASHAMED to call himself a minister.
Jeff dee, still my favorite host. He's got the quickest mind and least patience for bullshit. I wish he would come back on the show as a guest.
@andreafitzgerald4609
3 жыл бұрын
40 Rosemarys?????? :)
@jeffreyp1855
2 жыл бұрын
@@MadMax-gc2vj , why did they quit?
@MadMax-gc2vj
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreyp1855 Had to do with Matt some how ,huge inner fighting.
@cliffc2937
2 жыл бұрын
@@MadMax-gc2vj eh, I thought Jeff quit before that drama?
@lukasrodriguez5864
2 жыл бұрын
@@MadMax-gc2vj I think Jeff move way before that to some other support program similar to FFR
Typical minister, when losing the argument bring out the threat of hell. These hideous so-called preachers shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near children.
@tjw9985
4 жыл бұрын
Or anyone else.
@jessicahope9744
4 жыл бұрын
They groom children like pedophiles.
@veronicats100
4 жыл бұрын
So called preachers? Anyone that calls themselves a preacher is a hideous person. Get real.
@steevrawjers
4 жыл бұрын
August Home I am in 100 percent agreement on that
@steevrawjers
4 жыл бұрын
TJ W lol
God loves you so much, he created hell in case you don't love him back.
I am always amazed when Christians accuse people of being ignorant
@starfishsystems
2 жыл бұрын
What they tend to mean is "read more Bible verses" (and ignore those pesky science texts.) The reasoning seems to be that somehow a larger quantity of nonsense will be more convincing than a representative sample. That's a bit like multiplying a large number of questionable probabilities together in the expectation that the result will converge to p=1.
@seasonedbeefs
2 жыл бұрын
Gas lighting and projection. The art of manipulation.
@trafficjon400
Жыл бұрын
Evidently
@edluckenbill9382
Жыл бұрын
Assignment . Lol.
@drzaius844
6 ай бұрын
Because you forgot the 40 rosemaries.
My grandma forced religion on me since I was little I'm 33 now and am totally traumatized thanks grandma sicko I'm glad I set my self free by watching atheist experience thanks
@_-AB-_
Жыл бұрын
Maybe, she thought that it would help you the best, or maybe, that's all she knew (she too had this shoved in her mind when she was little). Don't be so hard on her, maybe she didn't force religion on you the way it was forced on her. Too many maybes, but I bet you were her little sweetheart.
@michellebrown4903
Жыл бұрын
@@_-AB-_ l bet you don't recognize child abuse . Why do people continually make excuses for these people?
@_-AB-_
Жыл бұрын
@@michellebrown4903 yeah, I don't know how to handle most of issues, I just walk away (although, I do try to ensure that it doesn't affect anyone else other than me). Point I was trying to make is that improvement is not digital, it's analogue. Callie would mess up some stuff as well, it's inevitable. But the messes would be far less severe than those of her grandparents. On average, the quality of life and understanding of reality is improves every generation. I just assume that her grandparents did better than earlier generations.
@pavel9652
Жыл бұрын
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
@_-AB-_
Жыл бұрын
@@pavel9652 Stupidity knows no bound. Edit: my comment is meaningless, just like yours. I wrote it to illustrate it. And I bet that this edit was required to ensure that you get it.
"Revelation describes the modern day" They've been saying that since the 5th century.
@supernovel7514
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's a huge thing that's preventing Christianity and most other religions from being killed off. Whenever you try to disprove them or if your country promotes secular values than they say it's the end times and get even more extreme
@kentonbaird878
5 жыл бұрын
And they will KEEP on saying it until the very natural end of the universe itself, if that day ever comes, if humans are even around to witness it.
@musiqal333
5 жыл бұрын
Yep. Christianity shifts the goalposts all the time. That's why it's still believed today because prophecies are vague as fuck anyway and people can do reinterpretation after x or y fact.
@Shadowchild695
5 жыл бұрын
THE END IS NIGH!!!!!!!! REPENT WHILE YOU CAN FOUL HEATHEN !!111!1!
@zacharyherron7829
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah and they keep moving that goal post to say “well the end of days could be a week or thousands of years, time means nothing to god, blah blah”. Arguing with them gets you nowhere when they can just use magic to grant their position with special rules.
“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” ― Isaac Asimov
@kirklarson4536
3 жыл бұрын
"The road to atheism is littered with bibles that have been read cover to cover." Don't remember who said it, but I like it.
@axelrobb5975
3 жыл бұрын
@@kirklarson4536 It was Andrew L. Seidel
@johnf536
2 жыл бұрын
If you don’t want to read the Bible, listen to The Friendly Atheist read Everything Wrong in the Bible , every Sunday.
@davidsmith7653
Жыл бұрын
As an eight year old reading the bible for the first time it took me less than a page to realise it was all nonsense. I've been an atheist ever since.
@gregjones2217
Жыл бұрын
Science seeks to explain the universe, from the smallest to the largest. Much is still not understood, and misconceptions occur. Science makes adaptations and
The minister's final shot was the threat of the fiery lake. No wonder Jeff got so upset !
@dondavis6293
5 жыл бұрын
Tony D'Arcy... Absolutely! Jeff has even said that’s his favorite hobby-horse... Threats of hell definitely trigger Jeff... He puts believers in their place when the subject is brought up. Miss Jeff a lot... Definitely one of the best and most logical hosts...
@DaviesMartinezBeats
5 жыл бұрын
Yep Tony, it's Jeff's trigger, it's his personal fatwa, he owns that jihad subject of hell fire!
@cannotwaittoseedavanteadam4301
5 жыл бұрын
I got my certificate today!
@AlejandroGarcia-bh3gx
5 жыл бұрын
He got upset when the minister says that he doesn't understand Christianity twice haha
@seanjones2456
5 жыл бұрын
I am so glad jeff dee was on this show! This moron went to threats and Mr Dee wasn't having any of it! Ha ha
Jeff's "How dare you" rants are sorely missed...
@donbacker9883
5 жыл бұрын
Absolutey.
@ericmishima
5 жыл бұрын
Just came by for a Jeff fix ;)
@kentonbaird878
5 жыл бұрын
Sometimes you want a reasoned, clever, even-handed debate. Sometimes you want the ear-candy that is Jeff Dee ripping into some poor, unprepared schmuck.
@denbecr49
4 жыл бұрын
His "How dare you" strikes me as shamelessly stolen from Christopher Hitchens. I cringed at how 'over the top' it felt when Hitchens laid it on a questioner from the audience after a debate. I didn't think his target deserved it in that particular case even though I often agree with his brutal no-holds-barred rebukes.
@alasanoei
4 жыл бұрын
Now I know where Greta got that from...😂
"Science says sleep is a stage of death" No, it doesn't. Stop pretending that what you imagine is science.
@JerryPenna
4 жыл бұрын
Vin Rohm I think he conflating stage of death and stages of consciousness in a biological sense. In physiology we put rats under anesthesia and there are several stages of consciousness. For surgery you are at the stage closest to death. Sleep isn’t close to death.
@myaknirufesco-ryckexgajithov
4 жыл бұрын
I'll accept sleeping is death if life is death also
@kevinsundelin8639
4 жыл бұрын
The only person I've heard say anything even related to that was a friend of mine making a joke saying that "Sleep is the demo version of death." I have possibly heard it in explanations of what death could be like to people who are afraid of dying as in that it will be the same way as before you were born or as if you were having a dreamless night of sleep. But never have I heard any scientist, or anyone else call it a stage of death
@mtnbiker014
4 жыл бұрын
David Pearson Patently false. I’m guessing you believe in flat earth too.
@ralfhaggstrom9862
4 жыл бұрын
@@davidohara7669 LEAST ACTIVE IN RELIGION ! ...............
"HOW DARE YOU!" You gotta love when Jeff get's pissed off.
I was a christian. I read the whole bible....now I'm an agnostic. That bible really helped me a lot.
@24magiccarrot
5 жыл бұрын
@ci rob The people that were Christians and stop believing in God after reading the bible are not dishonest if they then claim to be atheist or agnostic, even if the bible is the only scripture they have ever read. By definiion an atheist is a person that doesn't believe in a God, and an Agnostic is a person that doesn't know there is a God. So if a Christians stops believing in the God of the bible and doesn't accept belief in any other God regardless of what studying they have done that person is without a belief in God, therefore by definition is an Atheist, and if that person also claims that they don't know that there is another God that person is also by definition an Agnostic. Just because an atheist hasn't studied every God claim doesn't make them dishonest, it would take more than one lifetime to read up on every God claim, but as long as you presently don't believe in any of them you are an Atheist. Richard Dawkins put it best when he said that Christians are also Atheist, just people that identify as atheists believe in one God less than you do. You can trasnfer various Gods into the Christian part of that statement, Atheists believe in one God less than Jews, Muslims, Mormons, and about 3million gods less than all Hindus. That being said that doesn't mean that an atheist is claiming that there is no God or Gods, just simply means they don't believe in any God that has been presented to them.
@324wonder
5 жыл бұрын
@ci rob ...did you see what I said ? I grew up with a Methodist family. My father was a minister. He he told me to read the bible. I decided that I would read one chapter in the old testament and the new testament everyday in the morning. It was habitual. I prayed before the reading everyday for wisdom. After the many years I read the bible over and over. Then I got. It was a man made story. And when I started reading about astrotheology...that was the icing on the cake. I did not come up with a quick conclusion about the bible. I looked for truth...and I found it. And now I'm free. Like I said... that bible really helped me a lot.
@scottblack8266
5 жыл бұрын
24magiccarrot Good words but I cwould add that one could be a gnostic theist , gnostic atheist , agnostic theist or agnostic atheist . Two of these examples relate too belief and the others have to do with claims of knowledge . For example I can believe a god exists without claiming to know . Get it ? Thanks
@24magiccarrot
5 жыл бұрын
@@scottblack8266 I didn't want to make my post too long by going into detail of every possible combination, I merely wanted to establish that just because someone stopped believing in one God, doesn't make them dishonest if they identify with the label that most closely reflects their current belief. Regarding Gnostic when it comes to Theist/Atheist I would highlight that this is claimed knowledge rather than any actual demonstrable justifiable knowledge. When I was a Christian I would claim that I knew there was a God, but looking back I now know that I had no cause to be so zealous in my position. And I would never hold the position that I know there is no God.
@scottblack8266
5 жыл бұрын
24magiccarrot That’s fine , I figured you understood the concept I was referencing , but so many people don’t . I was just trying to clarify sub categories . I am agnostic atheist , like you I wouldn’t claim I knew if any gods exist however , I have no reason to think they do .
I whole heartily agree, more people should read the bible! That's how atheists multiply. lol
@TheGrungy1
5 жыл бұрын
@Englebert Humperdink it just means i believe. So you're good
@brethager3265
5 жыл бұрын
I agree, of course without cherry-picking it like they love to do.
@silverwings2493
5 жыл бұрын
When you have twisted atheist thinkers, what do you expect.
@silverwings2493
5 жыл бұрын
@Alfalfa Jones I don't expect that at all. Atheists say there is nothing after this life. It's too bad that those who have departed this life cannot come back here and tell us heaven and hell are real. You are going to tell me none of that is real. I would not want to believe you reject the truth die and find out for myself that you were wrong in the first place. But you can reject all of it because you do have a free will. As I do.
@silverwings2493
5 жыл бұрын
@@brethager3265 straight men normal men do a lot of cherry pickn too.😛😜
I was indoctrinated as a southern Baptist my entire life until I was around 20. The hardest part of researching and finding the truth was I was genuinely terrified of going to hell... I'm 35 now and i can say it took me a long time to get over that. I still deal with it from time to time even though I don't believe in it at all. That is how deeply ingrained in me it was... I will NEVER do that to my children. Teach them to them to think for themselves. Religion is terrible for people and society.
@jerrylanglois7892
Жыл бұрын
Yes, christianity, the most evil, fear based religion in the world.
@AndrewJam-vv9xw
Жыл бұрын
You’re not alone brother!
@SillyChickens222
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. I would never want to teach my child they’re inherently evil and bad
@CronoXpono
9 ай бұрын
@@SillyChickens222My family won’t try me with weird shit because I warned them; if we talk about religion, I’ll go full force. 😂
“But you’re not understanding” “See you’re not understanding” “No, you aren’t understanding” They should have hung up on this child 3 minutes into the call. Minister my ass.
@pidayrocks2235
5 ай бұрын
Why do you find it surprising he’d be a minister? You don’t think ministers are typically this dishonest? They disguise nonsense in flowery language for a living for goodness sake, just going off of what “feels rights” to them and spreading that feeling as though it’s fact coming from an authority. It will never be surprising to me to see a guy like this be a minister.
"You're telling me there's going to be a four-headed dragon rampaging around." "Not a dragon, a beast." LMFAO
@SqwarkParrotSpittingFeathers
3 жыл бұрын
Not a dragon, a Karen.
@waukivorycopse2402
2 жыл бұрын
Well, thank goodness he quantified that.
@JayJay-two
2 жыл бұрын
Mwahahahahaha. Laffed my head off. Wat a moron. 😂😂😂😂
@Frankya92
Жыл бұрын
Not a dragon, a beast 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ well thank you for clarifying. LIKE IT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE
These preachers teach kids WHAT to think. Not HOW to think. Personally it disgusts me too.
@notapplicable6985
4 жыл бұрын
@j l What god do you believe? And what convinced you?
@notapplicable6985
4 жыл бұрын
@j l Then what made the creator?
@notapplicable6985
4 жыл бұрын
@j l Ok, I mistook you for a YEC when you mentioned 6,000 years, my bad.
@Joullele9
4 жыл бұрын
@j l Since you base your belief in the fact that nothing could just spit out a creator. Is there a creator of a creator of a creator since I don't see an end when I think about it in the way that no thing could come out of nothing. Just out of curiosity
@birdmeister5976
4 жыл бұрын
Haven Thompson You, sir, are absolutely pathetic. Even your first name belies your parents’ belief in a ridiculous fairy tale. You grew up in a household where your fairy tale trumped the findings of science and of of common sense. I pity you Heaven, er.. I mean Haven, of course.
I wonder how this person would feel if they were accused of a crime and the prosecutor said to the judge, “I have no evidence but I really believe he did it.” And the judge goes, “That’s good enough for me. Guilty!”
@lightbeforethetunnel
5 ай бұрын
That's the rationale that atheists use, as for why they affirm any particular non-theistic worldview is true. Christians, on the other hand, have a deductive justification / proof that the Christian worldview is necessarily true. It's called Presuppositionalism
"Speaking out of ignorance" Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. Faith, a belief that is strongly held without the benefit of knowledge of facts and evidence, is the very definition of ignorance.
@rockysandman5489
4 жыл бұрын
Inaccurate. Faith isn't so much a definition of ignorance, it is rather instead a *result* of ignorance.
@jeremias-serus
4 жыл бұрын
@@rockysandman5489 You are mistaken. OP did not say that faith was a synonym of ignorance, he said that if you hold faith in something you are ignorant. Which is true.
@rockysandman5489
4 жыл бұрын
@@jeremias-serus Direct quote from the OP's comment: "Faith, a belief that is strongly held without the benefit of knowledge of facts and evidence, is the very definition of ignorance." I didn't argue that it's not a synonym of ignorance, I argued that it's not so much a definition of ignorance, which is what the OP said. I continued by saying that it is a result of ignorance, rather than the definition of it. Learn to read, ffs.
@dylanjones268
4 жыл бұрын
@@jeremias-serus So, I really hate your name.. made me think my video card was fucked up.
@seasonedbeefs
2 жыл бұрын
Faith, a piss poor excuse for evidence
Oh my...that was painful!...and he's teaching, not only adults, but kids of his congregation...so scary!!
@JamesRichardWiley
5 жыл бұрын
America is circling the drain. Our only hope is KZread atheist videos.
@JamesRichardWiley
5 жыл бұрын
Jeff needs to let the caller finish his sentences before blasting him with "the facts". Too much aggression.
@kentonbaird878
5 жыл бұрын
And remember: those children and adults will soon vote :D
@ralfhaggstrom9862
4 жыл бұрын
Helt enkelt SVINAKTIGT ! ..........................
@theric66
4 жыл бұрын
Viva us fucking of a.
Lol I just love how Jeff Dee doesn’t let nonsense slide for a second 🤣‼️
@nathanielyates6347
2 жыл бұрын
@@arachnipope God is great
@canwelook
2 жыл бұрын
Jeff was on fire!!!
@JB-zd8gv
Жыл бұрын
@@nathanielyates6347great how?
Really digging into the Bible was the beginning of my transition to atheism. Truth for a LOT of former believers.
23:13 "You're telling me there's gonna be a four-headed dragon rampaging around the world?" "No, no, no, I did not say that." "Oh, sorry, was that the other guy?" "No, that was me, I said that." Lmao "Goodbye" 😂 *click* ☎️
@tp230
3 жыл бұрын
Give him a break, will you, it’s a four-headed beast, not a four-headed dragon, two different things completely.
This 'minister' keeps saying: "No, no, you don't understand what I'm saying." The problem is the hosts understand perfectly well what he's saying - which is more than he does. Finally he says: "No, no, the problem is you are speaking out of ignorance." Which is pretty good from someone who keeps referring to 'the Barble', while simultaneously demonstrating that he barely knows the first thing about it.
Listening to a man ( minister ) arguing for his job. Any organised religion is a business.
@geraldodonnell2595
5 жыл бұрын
Ya, a "business" that does NOT pay taxes.
@nfrick1
3 жыл бұрын
A business that sell a product that does not exist, do not deliver and blame the consumer. And do not pay taxes.
@katyungodly
3 жыл бұрын
It's a scam and a pyramid scheme.
@JayJay-two
2 жыл бұрын
A con business. 😄😄😄
He starts the call with I’m a minister/preacher, admits he’s not an expert/experienced in biblical lore, admits most atheists he interacts with know HIS material better than he does AS A LEADER, then devolves into alternating states of pleadingly exclaiming they just haven’t had his personal experience (which he admits he personally has never had) and condescending insults that THEY haven’t done enough research into his mythology, all the while insisting with zero research his beliefs make the MOST nonsense...yup, this is the basic-off-the-assembly-line Christian...Jesus Christ 🥁
@ps123fan
Жыл бұрын
well i wont lie to you i thought i saw a vision of jesus once, he even spoke to me, no lie and i was an atheist and am an atheist back then, maybe it was just a hallucination though
Ashley was an underrated host. and Jeff Dee was amazing of course. Jeff is now on "The Non-Prophets" show, I just found out. Thought I'd share for those of you that miss Jeff (i know there are many).
good for jeff dee. this guy really needed to be put in his place. called him out for his smugness and nonsense.
@JamesRichardWiley
5 жыл бұрын
Condescension: an attitude of patronizing superiority; disdain. Its a mistake to try this on Jeff. He will happily walk all over you and laugh while doing it. Its his favorite game.
@JamesRichardWiley
5 жыл бұрын
The caller is superior because he has "faith" and Jeff and Ashley only have critical thinking which is human, and therefore not of God.
@WHIRLWOLF
3 жыл бұрын
@@JamesRichardWiley Nopes
I laughed out loud at 31:00 when the guy said "you see, I have this thing called faith."
@0x777
5 жыл бұрын
Antibiotics should be able to take care of it, though.
@spocksvulcanbrain
3 жыл бұрын
Cue Matt Dillahunty's rant about faith.... 3, 2, 1....
He thinks the Big Bang was a literal ‘explosion’. At that point I would have hung up.
I was raised Catholic. I still remember the catechism class when I was blown away that EVERYONE else in the room, including the adults, thought we were reading history. I was positive, from the very beginning, that these were parables or allegorical stories, not too dissimilar from Aesop's Fables.
@Frankya92
Жыл бұрын
I had a similar realization too when I once told my dad that our Catholicism wasn’t the only Christian religion. His reaction was pure outrage. I was like, of course there’s other Christian sub-religions, how do you not acknowledge this? Religion is toxic poison
A minister who has never heard of Pascal's Wager? Yeah right.
@MrMZaccone
5 жыл бұрын
It takes zero education to be a minister ... zero.
@flashgordon6670
5 жыл бұрын
@@MrMZaccone That must be why there are degrees in theology then.
@flashgordon6670
5 жыл бұрын
@@MrMZacconeJesus wasn't educated beyond carpentry and he was a minister. But he educated himself by reading the scriptures. The underpinning of the whole of western civilisation. It says in the Bible, that God uses the lowly things of this world to shame the great.
@MrMZaccone
5 жыл бұрын
@@flashgordon6670 There are degrees in everything you can name, including "liberal arts". That doesn't mean they're remotely useful. What percentage of employers are looking to hire graduates in theology? That would be basically nobody.
@flashgordon6670
5 жыл бұрын
@@MrMZaccone "What percentage of employers are looking to hire graduates in theology? That would be basically nobody." - basically nobody? By that you mean not nobody and that isn't a percentage. So you failed to answer, or even understand, your own idiot question. Well done for unwittingly defeating yourself and showing, what an incompetent schmuck you are. For the whole world to laugh at. I rest my case, Check mate primate, have a banana. Jesus 1 :0 Satan, read em weep sucker! Hallelujah! Amen.
40 rosemaries... I just don't have the thyme! :^D
@bluedragonfly8139
5 жыл бұрын
I've got some thyme in a bottle!
@voicemaestro
5 жыл бұрын
My vote for winning comment, MrKErocks!
@zaodedong9935
5 жыл бұрын
🏆
@docsavage30
5 жыл бұрын
..And 5 our fritters.
@kentonbaird878
5 жыл бұрын
Sage advice.
“Faith is something that you believe that nobody in his right mind would believe." ~~Archie Bunker
A minister and he hasn’t heard of Pascal’s wager? Ok
I've learned southern "Biiible" accent by watching your videos, and I'm Polish. My family freaks out hearing me.
@grimsoncrow
5 жыл бұрын
I've learned the weird baby- talk english from these videos..."Te Baibbbull"
@kenhammscousin4716
5 жыл бұрын
I too am polish.
@BaristaKofiMensah
5 жыл бұрын
De buybull
@thomasluczak2868
5 жыл бұрын
I love what you said......Biiiible.....im polish /american. my grandparents were from Warsaw. nice talking to you ! by the way, Bet you formally were catholic ? me too.
@TheNewPatsyBailey
4 жыл бұрын
'My family freaks out hearing me' That's because you say things in your wonderful southern accent like 'God Almighty Jesus Lord Savior All Is Faith Creator Faith Gotta Have Faith Pray Pray But Science But Faith' Etc. ;) ;)
I miss Jeff Dee.
@staceylikesthelogicalthing8042
5 жыл бұрын
IKR? Whatever happened to him?
@IONAPINKMOXIE
5 жыл бұрын
me too! :(
@TheJimtanker
5 жыл бұрын
I do too. I like the new generation from Talk Heathen though too.
@24magiccarrot
5 жыл бұрын
I agree, He left to go work on other projects, not sure what those projects were but Jeff Dee was brilliant at keeping the caller on one topic until the caller admitted they were wrong rather than jump around 3-4 different topics everytime the callers position was proven false.
@buckeyebeezy829
5 жыл бұрын
Me too, but he's not good for theist calls. He's super entertaining and he is also not wrong, but he isn't a good person for the purpose of AXP. Jeff Dee would be the best choice on Earth for a show called "Theist Slayer", but not AXP.
This minister hasn't heard of Pascal's Wager but he claims to have studied all religions to the conclusion that Christianity was the only "logical" one. Me thinks he prevaricates a bit.
@starfishsystems
2 жыл бұрын
Not only hadn't he heard of it - when it must surely be a mainstay of theological education - but he seemed unable to grasp the obvious problem of wagering on the right god. Perhaps there was so much deflection and muddled thinking that the point was lost. The caller seemed completely ready to believe that HIS choice was the only right one, because why exactly? Long on claims, conspicuously short on evidence.
@nixxyhasthoughts
2 жыл бұрын
He really claims he can assess all his claims to demonstrate Christianity is true. Bull shit.
@nixxyhasthoughts
2 жыл бұрын
@@starfishsystems oh but everyone was else was just ignorant and must not have read the Bible the right way.
He's proud to be a minister, he's proud of telling lies for a living?
@Rob-fc9wg
2 жыл бұрын
Just like every other minister, pastor, priest, he's fleecing his flock. If they're stupid enough to follow such 🐂💩, then they deserve to be conned, fleeced and ripped off. Phark 'em!
"God only reveals himself to blessed people". Gee did you ever stop to think that these certain blessed people might be pulling your leg? Mike Pence and Ben Carson come to mind.
@joecoolioness6399
4 жыл бұрын
So once again, his god has chosen not to bless me, and not to reveal himself to me either, and now my soul gets to go to a place of eternal torture that his god created. Thank gob our justice system is NOT based on this kind of fairness and justice.
@madamvaudelune3298
4 жыл бұрын
Steven Read Don't confuse self-delusion with insincerity, most literalist Christians are very sincere,. I just don't understand how, in the absence of all reason, they can believe what they believe. Two college educated gentlemen, for sure, the only answer I can give is that this type of knowledge is compartmentalized. And we all do this to a certain extent, we don't see the faults in our loved ones or points of view many times because well, we just don't. Cognitive dissonance and compartmentalization are two different things, both dangerousl
@_Somsnosa_
3 жыл бұрын
I guess all the people killed and tortured in nazi concentration camps didn't pray hard enough or prayed to the wrong god.
I love it! This one conversation showcases about 90% of all the talking points that continue to be rehashed over and over today in the online atheist communities. Yet at the same time, these two gentlemen are such a breath of fresh air.
"If you don't agree with me then you don't understand!" 🤣
@jimw5955
3 жыл бұрын
I understand...I think
@spocksvulcanbrain
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. that's a really common fall back position when they have no response to the point.
This one did have a lot of shouting, but I get that because I think Jeff's anger was totally justified in this one lol
I love the classic, "HOW DARE YOU..." from ole trusty Jeff Deeze nuts
I wouldn’t be surprised if Jeff had a tattoo that said *”How dare you?!?!”*
There are NO winnable arguments that start with the words "The Bible says..."
I've always found the bible to be very accurate, especially if thrown at close range.
@AtheistAndMythology
10 ай бұрын
LOL
@waukivorycopse2402
9 ай бұрын
I measured the margins and spacing of verses on the bible pages, all within 40 thousandths of an inch of each other, amazing accracy.
Sleep is a stage of death? Someone is completely misunderstanding science at a fundamental level.
@toddcott9510
5 жыл бұрын
They must be on better pills than I use.
@SnuffitLabs
5 жыл бұрын
He, the caller, horribly misunderstood the claim. On several hospice and medical websites it is claimed that sleep becomes more common as someone who is terminally ill is dying. Even these websites do not actually make the claim that sleep is a stage of death.
@JohnMorris-ge6hq
5 жыл бұрын
David Hixon REM sleep there is brain activity. When you are dead there is no brain activity
@blondeybeeetch
5 жыл бұрын
That caught my attention! I thought 'well shit... i've been napping an awful lot recently. Better get that bucket list completed! Haha
@andrewharper1609
5 жыл бұрын
The French call it the petit Mort.
"Why does God need a starship?" - Captain James T. Kirk.
LOL... the "You're going to hell" line always sets Jeff off big time.... (and I don't blame him).
I was wondering when the torture of hell was coming the famous threat that keeps Christians Believing
@joecoolioness6399
3 жыл бұрын
Or pretending to believe. I would bet the number of atheists is woefully under the true number because many don't want to admit they don't believe because of the way xians and other cults tend to treat non believers.
@jerrylanglois7892
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, take away '' hell '' and where's christianity ?
27:11 "I don't knock things until I have full understanding of it" while at the same time has never even heard of pascals wager let alone its counter arguments! LOL
@starfishsystems
2 жыл бұрын
Such a claim is a bit of manipulation as well, trying to preemptively take the moral high ground. But it's not a very effective strategy with skeptics, because we assume that all understanding is provisional, never complete. When he implies that his own understanding CAN be complete, he's already moved to a level of presumption that bears close scrutiny. It's not surprising that he later pulls the faith card.
I am not surprised that a minister talks in circles with vapid statements. I miss Jeff calling people out for their BS.
For a minister, it almost sounds like this is the first time he had thought about these problems. Very surprising he would be unfamiliar with pascal's wager.
Christian's internal dialogue:"I'm losing this debate!?"...blurts out: "your going to hell!"
Jeff was on fire in this one. He is sorely missed.
@norswil8763
4 жыл бұрын
Matt Hampel, his arguments were always pin point and palatable and delivered with good wit. Missed
@Frankya92
Жыл бұрын
Looking back, he’s very underrated. He used to get on my nerves, but old clips like these make me rethink. He had a lot of moments of justified outrage.
The driving force that made me an atheist is called the truth. When my parents sent me to Sunday School, I was kicked out because I kept wanting the truth. They told me to just have faith and faith isn't a path that leads to truth. That was over sixty years ago and I still haven't heard the truth from any church.
@stevenhogenson4880
2 жыл бұрын
The "just have faith" is the Christian equivalent of a con man's "trust me...." We all know how that turns out.
@jerrylanglois7892
Жыл бұрын
All religions have the '' truth ''.
This caller”s mindset is one of the reasons why the transatlantic slavery was permitted in the US for 400 years. It’s disgusting.
@jerrylanglois7892
Жыл бұрын
Nah, it was really about money, and lots of it.
Fear of the unknown is loud and clear.
If he's a minister I'm a four-headed dragon. "40 Rosemaries"?
@davewilliams5102
4 жыл бұрын
Ken....Great comment. Still laughing.
@JerryInGeorgia
4 жыл бұрын
I know what the hell was that?
@madamvaudelune3298
4 жыл бұрын
@ Jerome walker I think he meant 'forty hail Marys on a Rosary,' not sure but I think.
@davids11131113
4 жыл бұрын
Jesus was a great Italian chef.
Every once in a while, I come here to see how my atheist and religious brothers are doing with their debates. Things don't seem to change much, though sometimes the religious brothers can really create some unrealistic and thoughtless challenges. I love ALL of them. They are precious.
Claims to be knowledgeable then says “If I were a catholic and told you to say 40 Rosemaries” 😂
@Authenticallyathena
Жыл бұрын
Right?!?! Never been Catholic at all and I even knew that was wrong. Idiot.
I miss Jeff's "How DARE you" on the show, LOL
A full historical investigation into the origins of the bible produces evidence to justify dismissing it outright.
@joecoolioness6399
4 жыл бұрын
So does reading the 2 accounts of creation, and realizing that would be the one area a real god would inspire his minions to be consistent.
@steevrawjers
4 жыл бұрын
Ralph Johnson lol true
@joshuaspector8182
4 жыл бұрын
It's a book of claims being made without evidence. You can rationally dismiss it outright without any evidence
Here's a lesson for the minister, it's called the "Book of Revelation" not "Revelations" it's the revelation of Jesus Christ. This is why I do not trust "ministers"
@JerryInGeorgia
5 жыл бұрын
@Robert - Nailed it, Robert.
@bennymuellsbeats3307
4 жыл бұрын
@@JerryInGeorgia Haha... Nailed it... Jesus got nailed.Funny
@JerryInGeorgia
4 жыл бұрын
@@bennymuellsbeats3307 Ouch! That one really stuck!
@richiejohnson
2 жыл бұрын
So who is St John the Divine ?
It's actually a great red Dragon with seven heads and ten horns. Some time ago this somehow matched reality because there were ten countries in the European Union. So there was supposed to be a war between Russia and the EU. It didn't happen and the book is now out of print !
33:50 "...say forty Rosemarys and you're forgiven." Wow.
@JJ_SDWR
3 жыл бұрын
Mr Christian minister everyone... yikes
@twig8523
3 жыл бұрын
Did he get it wrong out of mockery of Catholicism, as a protestant/evangelical American... Or was his supposed "research" of all the other religions & denominations just that badly done?
@JJ_SDWR
3 жыл бұрын
@@twig8523 he sounded genuine to me but who knows.
Wow..."The only difference is, I've recognized it for what it is." The strongest part of that statement is...the Period!
Jeff Dee, works illustrating fantasy monsters. Meets a guy who claims there will be a literal four-headed dragon. Gets kid at Christmas excited. Love it.
Jeff Dee is metal af
Never heard of Pascal's wager. Calls himself a minister. LMAO!
I miss Jeff Dee he was great on this show.
I miss Jeff. ❤️
When you have the facts, you argue the facts. When you have the logic, you argue the logic. When you have neither, you attack your opponents by threatening magical torture.
@Rob-fc9wg
2 жыл бұрын
I'm gunna use that. Cheers from Oz🇦🇺
This guy is a minister? I fear for his followers. Intellectually dishonest comes to mind.
@ummmno3871
2 жыл бұрын
That’s literally every single one of them
This guy is full on indoctrinated mode......
Why do people think if you don't agree, that you didn't understand? They think if you understand it, you'd fall for it.
The bible is ..... ((Get THIS!!)) ... *"LOGICAL"!!??* I burst out laughing so hard when he pulled that one out of his ass I blew my Gray Goose out MY nose!
I’ve always loved Ashley’s “Myep”. 🤣🤣🤣
I missed Jeff Dee's eyebrow
@robertbennett6728
5 жыл бұрын
That Romulan bastard was always fun to listen to.
23:20-23:26 Caller " not a dragon a beast" hahaha
@REDPotriats757
5 жыл бұрын
Alejandro Garcia 🤣 that was hilarious
@0x777
5 жыл бұрын
Well, if you put it THAT way, of course it makes a lot more sense...
I love how chill the caller is. '4 headed dragon? what about it?'
Sleep is a stage of death? What? Lol
Man do I miss Jeff's rants!
@Dr.vonKrankenhausen
5 жыл бұрын
Only love, lol
He’s also assuming with Pascal’s wager that we can just choose to believe something we aren’t convinced is true n the first place lol
@davide123
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, even if I concluded that it is safer to believe (which I haven't), that still doesn't increase the believability of the story at all.
It's 2023, I'm still waiting for the four-headed dragon
Q: Who created the universe? A: The _God Of The Gaps._
Jeff Dee is the best. HOWWW DAREE YOU!!!
I had no idea how funny Jeff Dee was 🤣🤣 The 4headed jackleman 😂😂🤪🤪
Get Him, Jeff! lol
Did anyone else see the hypocrisy in the minister’s last recommendation?
I've heard this episode a number of times and it still makes me laugh. Jeff is on fire. Or he will be ...
@tedgrant2
5 жыл бұрын
@Anthony Miller Indeed.
@reesetorwad8346
5 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@brucebaker810
5 жыл бұрын
tedgrant2 "HOW DARE YOU!?"
@tedgrant2
5 жыл бұрын
@Skyler Janosek It's the Chistians who are gleefully anticipating the fire and 500 years ago they couldn't wait for God to do it, so they did it for him, in public. By the way, the reason for burning wasn't to hurt the heretic, it was to stop him or her being resurrected. They thought that God would not be able to reassemble a person if they've been burned. Basically, underestimating the power of God.
@k.m.3286
4 жыл бұрын
It makes me giggle to.
I love when Jeff Dee gets worked up.
What sort of minister never heard of pascal's wager?
I went to church for 50 years. The more I became involved the more I become less enchanted. The Bible is just a book written by priests not God or whom ever. The injustices in there couldn’t possibly be written by any smart being. Keep up good work.
Jeff rules lol love this guy
All things about Christianity proves that If there is somebody to SellBull, there will always be somebody to BuyBull. It is just HolyBull!!!
@billfranklin9443
5 жыл бұрын
Ha, ha, The greatest Being of all, God, always needs money. George Carlin.
“ No I didn’t say 4 headed dragon, I said beast”. Oh, well that makes sense now. 😂
I love Jeff! He owned that Pastor! 🙌🏾😂