CO native on the Western slope. Regardless where this lands, I will say we had super healthy herds 1980-2000. Elk and deer hung each year and we had food. 2000-2010 was good, I’d see elk out in the wild, all over a ridge on a hunt and stalking. 2010-2015, saw some here and there, but no longer on a ridge or stalking. 2015-2023, nope, only tracks of them moving through during the night. Same area over 40 years. What’s up? I do think CPW pulled in a lot for hunting. The folks on the ground are good people, but not sure things have been managed well since 2000. Money went up, herd went down. Where did the money go and the herd.

@scottleggejr

27 күн бұрын

The tags are gone so polis' boyfriend has food for his wolf packs to get big and strong. 😂 These actions like reestablished wolf population have costs to real people.

@rogerramjet7567

25 күн бұрын

I would have to say, you haven’t seen anything yet. Just wait until the wolves get established and limit the calf recruitment to 2 percent as has happened in All the other states. You ain’t seen nothing yet. 😢👎👎

It's going to cost everyone one way or another. But as a resident of Colorado I've felt over run for years. And not only that, they're starting to take away OTC units which concentrates more hunters into a smaller space! If they don't deal with a proper ratio they will still be over crowded. Kudos to these guys for hashing this out in a calm even handed manner.

Those high numbers from 2014 to 19 are all due hunters watching KZread They made Western hunting very popular.

@zaynemikita6897

29 күн бұрын

100% but you won't see randy talk about it because you can't bite the hand the feeds you.

@zaynemikita6897

29 күн бұрын

See and the other irony is these guys are constantly complaining about how there are less hunters but we still have to many hunter at the same time?

This is honestly the most rational take I've seen on the CO OTC topic, I appreciate you guys putting these thoughts out there.

As a Colorado NR I’d rather see a draw system instead of OTC. The better hunting experience would be worth it. Montana better start looking closer at their deer herd. Not what it use to be

So it’s Randys fault we’re overrun 😂

Another great talk guys. It will be interesting to see what the commission decides in 2 days. I greatly appreciate you both just having conversations around these issues to educate people. I will say as a CO resident I would gladly pay 2-3x tag price if it meant residents got more tags and there was less non resident pressure. I dont hunt solely as a hobby, but hunting deer and elk is my source of red meat. It is not a vacation for me it is a source of protein and the hunting opportunities we get as a resident of a western states is one of the most important things to me. (Before people roast me I know I can but grocery store meat but I much prefer wild, sustainably sourced venison, and trout/salmon for that matter). On my hunt last year which was in an OTC elk unit, while I was hunting deer, I only talked to non residents. I didnt meet a single resident. People were from NC, UT, TX, etc. We had a pickup truck full of 5 guys ask us "SEE ANY BULLS???" as they road hunted. The non resident crowding has gotten intense, and is almost comical. People love to hate on CO restricting tag numbers, but they fail to understand, like Randy mentions, CO sells more elk tags to non residents than all the other western states combined.

I think every state should take care of their resident's first and foremost, if that means no non-resident hunting, then so be it.

As a resident of Colorado, not liking the way my home is going, not liking the number of people moving here: I’d say if you’re a NR hunter, move here and become a resident and PLEASE vote to get this place back to the way it was.

The non residents complaining about CO should realize that the residents are being hosed. The seasons are extremely short which doesnt affect non residents like it does residents. Rifle seasons are 5 to 9 days...archery is a month. How long are your archery seasons out east or in the midwest? Months...

@rdbenion6660

29 күн бұрын

Our animals out east dont migrate so we have months to hunt them. You guys would slaughter the herds if allowed months of a season hence hunting migration routes.

@StrawberryHogSlayers

29 күн бұрын

In Arkansas rifle season for deer is about 3 weeks and archery is 5 1/2 I believe.

@kicker6274

29 күн бұрын

@@StrawberryHogSlayers Wish we had that in Colorado.

@thistledewoutdoors3331

18 күн бұрын

In Wisconsin our archery deer season starts in September and ends first week of January....

The local economies will be taking a big loss as the non-resident has to buy food, lodging, game processing and much more locally. Limits on total otc tags is needed to prevent crowding. I kind of choke on the 800- 1000 dollar tags for a 16% chance of getting an Elk and the price is probably going up again.

I've never seen good hunters complain about other hunters. I do however, always see a bunch of guys hunt off the road or duck hunters right off the nav channels complaining all the time of "others" messing them up. I guess when its mostly luck, being the only predator on the mountain is your best bet. I mean Burger King has the impossible Whopper if getting your own meat is too hard? You can even Doordash to avoid the horrible crowds.

CO has gotten used to using the preference points scam and the NR cash flow and now they want to keep the same budget but figure out how keep people away.

There is several layers to what is going on with Colorado hunting. Ive elk hunted OTC there before and i will NEVER do that again. If i ever do go back it will be a limited entry tag and i will be going into a Wilderness. In general Residents don't have to worry much about a big raise in prices if they cut Non-resident tags. They will do like Oregon and Idaho did. They will cut the heck out of Non-resident tags and double the cost to Non-residents to cover for it. I know Non-resident hunters are not popular in the field but without Non-resident hunters fish and game agencies would go bankrupt. Point buyers and Non-resident finace all the Western States.

@davidwinchester6485

29 күн бұрын

Idaho didn't "cut the heck out of nonresident tags" nor did they double the cost to nonresidents. There was maybe a slight decrease in tags and a very late price adjustment that is still way to low compared to neighboring states

@user-bl2sf2km5g

27 күн бұрын

U better check your numbers again.

Great chat guys, i have no problem burning my points to go hunting in CO.

Can't blame them but I sure hate to lose the otc tags, its been fun and the reason for me to stay in shape.

In general I like this idea of draw-only hunting. It’s not much fun to be somewhere with too many other hunters in the area around you. A more regulated distribution of hunters equals a better experience for everyone. Didn’t draw a bull tag? Pick up a late season cow tag and enjoy that hunting experience (as well as some excellent meat).

Randy, you've done a great job recruiting hunters into the western states. I wish the non-western states had decent public land options that could be more appealing to those who live there. If hunting is still on the decline, it's from Midwest and eastern states.

I definitely think the money from OTC tags was the reason it’s gone on so long. Once it gone elk tag prices, license fees will start going up now.

Gave up CO otc 20 years ago, thought it sucked then…not driving 1000 miles to hunt rag horns, can’t imagine what its been like lately. Sadly, limiting otc archery will not help the quality. Only archery purist won’t pick up a otc rifle tag now. More rifle tags will get sold resulting in even worse quality.

I have hunted OTC rifle in Colorado twice with no luck, but was an experience and enjoyed the time. I have been thinking of Bow hunting Colorado OTC,but with what is going on now, I doubt I will ever be able to. Also, what kind of impact is this going put on the businesses that out of state frequent when out there,the grocery stores,sporting goods,cabin rentals. Not all residents go out for weeks at a time to go hunting and spotting, has anyone thought about that impact,I know the less I have to pack in the vehicle the better off,more room to transport my harvest so I purchase a lot locally.

It's easy for y'all who live in an elk state to want to exclude those if us who live in states without elk. I'm from Alabama and I'm 70 yo. I've been hunting Colorado OTC since the 1980s. It breaks my heart as an avid elk hunter who wants to spend every September in the elk woods to think that might be taken away from me. Randy mentions public lands but he didn't call them federal lands which most of them are. So my federal taxes count just as much as any resident's taxes in managing the lands that most elk inhabit. Yes the CPW manages the wildlife but the USFS and BLM manage the land that those animals live on. So it doesn't seem fair to me to favor the residents so much as to exclude us non-residents. Don't bother sending me any mayy comments.

@ryansweeney3444

29 күн бұрын

Resident hunting licenses in Alabama are $25. A non-resident hunting license in Alabama is $410. Why is Alabama favoring their residents and giving them cheaper hunting licenses when my tax dollars go towards the national forests and BLM land in that state? Every state favors their residents one way or another. Colorado's decision is all about supply and demand. The demand to hunt Colorado is higher than the acceptable amount of pressure and the animals harvested every year. You will still most likely get a tag every year if you want one. You will just have to draw it now. You could move to Colorado and become a resident. Living in a state with an over-inflated housing market, wacky politics, and tons of tourists year round. It's a sacrifice myself and many others have made to have a better opportunity to elk hunt.

@Randy_Savage_ohyeah

29 күн бұрын

Guess you better move….

@kicker6274

29 күн бұрын

You have the same access to the public land as everyone else. Hunting is a small percentage of the people who use the USFS. You going to limit access to just hunters or everyone?

@patricklink11

25 күн бұрын

Maybe non residents should make a Facebook page and get signatures so nobody gets to hunt on public land? That is ultimately what is being proposed here. The idea that one user group should have more access to a public resource is non sense. Should you have to own private land to hunt?

@Randy_Savage_ohyeah

25 күн бұрын

⁠@@patricklink11signatures for what? You can’t get anything on a state ballot as non-resident. It’s the states resource so state residents decide. Not anyone’s fault but yours, you chose to live where u do.

That’s really going to suck if they take away OTC for those of us that just recently have began to be able to afford to go out there and hunt.

@scottleggejr

27 күн бұрын

Vote to change leadership. Make the lives whose political views opposing your own hurt. Vote to be how it's been or vote to fix it. Only way.

@troybengel691

25 күн бұрын

you can't if not a resident

Good one 💚

I OTC hunt in Colorado, beautiful place. I do 3rd season rifle

Will they limit nonresident wolves as well? What’s a wolf have to pay for a tag, supplies and hotels?

Percentages can be deceiving. I think the resident # of hunters going down compared to population increase is due to state politics. Lots of lefties moving to Colorado who dont hunt. I wouldnt agree that more NR than res hunters is bad. Like they said we do pay more money. OTC with a high price tag is very generous and good for the state. I dont think flat landers are going out there killing all the elk. They probably do screw up a lot of opportunities for veteran elk hunters though on the same bulls

I dont understand why there has to be complicated point systems. Alaska has the best system we got 400 tags for non residents everyone has the same chance to draw good luck! Every state should adopt this method

As a current CO resident and avid Hunter I’m all for limiting NR hunters. About all I run into are NR hunters, far more than residents and it is out of control. Where I Elk hunt the trail head is jammed with out of state camps every year. It takes 3-4 years as a resident to get a descent Deer tag and at least 1 pref point for descent Elk. Completely ridiculous! This combined with the very short seasons really limits time in the field. My entire CO hunting last year was a whopping 5 days.

@MrBowNaxe

29 күн бұрын

I feel your pain... Just be prepared to pay higher license and tag fees if/when they drastically limit NR hunters.

@Randy_Savage_ohyeah

29 күн бұрын

@@MrBowNaxe fine with that

I think very simply. If there is high NR demand, then crank up the prices to reduce the demand. If the state does this perfectly it will sell the new number of NR tags and make the most money for them. I suppose if they had an open auction of some sort where the price keeps going up until the number of buyers equals the number of tags you want to sell then you can max out your revenue. The big down side to this approach is it becomes more of a rich man's game.

I’m a non resident and have spent over $20k in the last 12 years in Colorado. He’ll, about $480 of that was just bagged ice. About $3k in hotel rooms. $7.5 - $8k in license. Less than 20% kill rate. Sure, you’ll see my truck at a trailhead and may pass me on a trail. But, 10 years I walked out empty and broke / broken. What isn’t in the numbers above is, because I went to that state the first time as a hunter, I returned several other times for other vacationing that I otherwise never would have if it weren’t for that first hunt. I’ve easily spent $20k in those other non hunting trips. The affect of residents keeping it to themselves will be farther reaching. All for the frustrations felt by a very small % of the resident population of the state. There isn’t a biological driver.

@thecoloradoalpine

27 күн бұрын

Call the cry wagon bro…you know how much a resident spends in the state? Lmao and don’t act like hunting and specifically archery is the only form of recreation in Colorado. Your little 20k is chump change to people coming to ski, camp, etc. lmao hunters get off thinking they find small communities…y’all are high AF

@thistledewoutdoors3331

18 күн бұрын

I used to live in Manitou springs & my $ spent for archery elk hunting alone was easily 1/20th of what I've spent as a Non resident.... The $ trickles down a long way but,,, In Colorado they now have a couple million new residents and a ton of them are illegals who are given instant rights !!! When I lived there I never saw anywhere near as many hunters as residents claim - I seen a ton of what people flooded into town !!!!!

@elkmo41

13 күн бұрын

Hate to break it to ya, but the ressy on the mountain chasing elk beside you does not directly see a dime you spent and could care less how much you spent and would be just fine with you keeping your money at home as long as your not on the mountain screwing up their hunt.

@thecoloradoalpine

12 күн бұрын

@@elkmo41 100

As a CO resident I will 100% pay more to limit NR hunting. As much as I want everyone to experience elk hunting it has got out of hand here.

Keep at it the current way, and there will be nothing left. I'm a NR...but I hope they lock it down

The wolves gotta eat too

I guess I can just camp in Co during September.

TLDR; Herd Health vs. Hunter Satisfaction is important to distinguish; prefer herd health/longevity as a NR; decision could have negative financial impact on local small businesses/outfitters that rely on NR tags I really like the distinction between effects on herd health vs. hunter satisfaction, where herd health should weigh more heavily as a factor in the decision-making progress. Because, as a non-resident, I would advocate for the preservation of the longevity/overall health of the pursuit for my future and my family's future (as I imagine a resident would). Of course I want to hunt every year, but not if it means it would negatively affect herd health (even though archery success rates are so low). Additionally, the discussion talked heavily on the financial impact on the state, but didn't really touch on the negative financial impact on the outfitters/local businesses. A lot of these small, family owned businesses have built their livelihoods on NR tags. It might not "be the end of the world," but would no doubt have a financial impact.

If Colorado ends OTC hunts and cuts NR tag allocations to 25%, I’m cool with that, as a Colorado nonresident. I think limiting some pressure and providing even a somewhat higher quality hunt experience will give hunters more of a reason to come back.

I think there is also the peripheral I section of money into the system from NR hunters. Local business and the tax revenue from that sector also.

@thecoloradoalpine

27 күн бұрын

Bro, they get money from other places…we have more recreation than a 30 day archery season…stop acting like the NR bow hunter funds small rural communities. Thts some BS

We are Virginians, Been hunting Colorado over the counter archery started in 1988, took a break started back in 1999 and 2000 took break back in 2006 until now. We would bring in our camper guild our selfs in the national forest and hunt for most of the season. We seen increase in hunters in the woods starting in 2017. Last year 2023 unbelievable unit 53. hunter ever turn. I can sure tell you some stories. Lol. In 2006 we found a unit not another hunter anywhere. 2017 over run. Yes after talking to all these hunters. We have done it to ourselves. Utube. Tv shows . Facebook sharing pictures with locations. My son shoot a 6x7 beautiful bull. Forgot to turn off the location. Hunters sitting there the following year. We do not have any of that media and we do not share. But the national forest belongs to all of us amen!!! Until it’s took for management. Sometimes that’s a good thing. Let the elk repopulate. Hunting as we know it I guess might change next year. We like the fact to just buy over counter. Easier!!

As a co resident I would like to see all non res otc tags cut, I hunt a lot of other states when I can get a tag and in most states we are stuck getting 10% of the tags, I pay taxes live in Colorado I need to have preference when it comes to getting tags. Btw have you tried to get a archary tag in Iowa ? Drawing a MT tag for me is hard as well. Havel you ever logged into the Idaho system dec 1 so yes I want co to cut tags to non res rifle as well as archery, yes I will pay more for my tag ,

I support this 100% if it comes to Arizona there aren’t anymore opportunities for residents to go otc because all the non residents buy them up and I support this for the draw as well I think they should take 75% of the non residents tags out of the draw

I can totally understand why a resident wants more, and you can say each state’s residents are stakeholders of that state……you are right but how many states have elk??? Easy to say that if you live in an Elk state. But there’s one thing that’s the problem for the State, how will Colorado make up the shortfall of eliminating non resident hunters, not just tag money but all the dollars being brought to local economies?? I think changes are coming but I don’t see a drastic change because of the money.

Y'all do realize that since Gand Fish merged with Parks and Rec (in CO) they now receive so much money from marijuana tax revenue that license sales are virtually insignificant. CO really doesn't care about much of this!

Randy: I am not so sure all beneficiaries will agree with more Elk and Deer on all the landscape . Have you ever seen what a herd of Elk can do to a corn, canola or bean field? The depredation scare canons do nothing to keep them away once they become habituated; standard livestock fencing won't keep them out and they do it year after year. Farmers/Ranchers are hardly compensated for the losses and inconvenience. A lot of them are also hunters but would rather the game stay on someone else's land. How do you balance depredation with the idea of more animals out there?

Thank you Marcus and Randy for all the great information and taking the time to share with us The overcrowding will stop if you raise the price of the tags so high that on the rich can do it. God's Blessings

Can really appreciate Randy's level headed take on this.

Then lower the tag price and put in a draw system that makes sense! Do t be like Montana and make tag prices elite because of the Hollywood stars and rich are there, and don’t go down Wyoming path of a road that pretty much closes out NR. You could throw it all out and do a mix of Idaho NR OTc tag with NMexico draw system

As a lifetime resident of COLORADO, I have an idea how to close that gap…stop paying for Wolves to be introduced (not re-introduced) to the state from hunting tags. Full draw doesn’t affect me because I only hunt in areas that you have to draw anyway.

@kyleblandon2250

29 күн бұрын

You don’t get how legislation works, do you?

@Randy_Savage_ohyeah

29 күн бұрын

If we could only keep the purple haired hedonists from voting

I am a non resident, Colorado resident should have 80% and non resident 20% . Most western states are like this including mine. The problem is, it has been a cash cow for COLORADO game and fish, it’s hard to ween them off that revenue.

Does the commission think or care what impact it will have on the economy/outfitters , if they cut out the non resident hunter. All those outfitters are small business owners, are the resident hunters going to make up the difference in lost income ? i highly doubt it. Be careful what you wish for !

@thecoloradoalpine

27 күн бұрын

The outfitters can only get so many people out in certain areas. Do you not understand how permits work for outfitters? Lmao they will be fine…one of the fat boys in the comments from down south will draw a tag and need a horse to get his ass to the elk, so he can whiff and blew me out of the county

one question you are not asking is how many that get a license go home with an elk , how many end up eating their tag , , some of us have gone years before finally filling a tag, But the state still makes money , What would all those hunters do if Canada stopped selling moose and other big game tags to all non residents , a lot of Americans get OTC tags every year in Canada

As a resident things need to change. OTC units are like a pumpkin patch during the seasons. Been a native resident my whole life and watching OTC units become so densely packed with hunters has been interesting. Putting in for draw hunts has also become challenging. Something needs to change but I’m not sure how they can go about it. This is also funding the Wolf reintroduction which has also been impacting ranchers way of life. Colorado has become such a CALIFORNIA state and it disgusts me. We have lots of land that should be shared by all!! I just wish that CPW would do some changes and not be so focused on reintroducing Wolves and soon to be Wolverines. Oh well, good luck hunting all!

@rdbenion6660

29 күн бұрын

get what you vote for

The depopulation was a terrible idea, being a high fence ranch it would have been a perfect opportunity for a test project. Im not up to date on potential ways to handle it, but if their is any experimental treatments to try it would have been the place imo.

Can’t imagine @Randynewburg or Marcus will respond but would love to hear the justification for dividing an already outnumbered user group in hunters. If I’m an otc guy and I see this happen when the call goes out for support to stop an outright ban on hunting in CO or on a ban on public lands why would I give a crap about it? It’s so short sighted and honestly I’m surprised by the lack of nuanced thought from a guy I believe to be very dialed into the issues and very intelligent. I hunt private why should I care about public lands with this logic if I want more and better than the next guy? What a shame

As a CO native, I don’t mind out of state hunters. They are better than tourists that leave the forest trashed, get into fights while camping, blasting loud music and ripping their toys all over this state. The infighting between us is what Denver wants. The only way things will get better is to unite and support the things you love.

@patricklink11

25 күн бұрын

Nailed it. We stand together or we loose hunting opportunities one at a time

Add the wolves issue....

colorado should limit OTC tags to residents, its a sea of texans during 2nd and third rifle seasons and they treat our state like shit

@oldskool67

29 күн бұрын

How so ?

@Couch_hopper_outdoors

29 күн бұрын

@@oldskool67 he’s just using talking points. I’ve only seen people with Colorado plates breaking rules especially with their pets in hunting areas

We need to audit the cpw. We've already established that theyve let the ball roll on non resident tags for so long due to income. Colorados cpw is full of fat. Ive lived in co, wy and mt and by far, wy and mt have a far better management program... with much less income. Colorados moving to ballot box biology anyways, who needs the fish and game 😂

@Randy_Savage_ohyeah

25 күн бұрын

Agree, how the ballot box is allowed to be used for wildlife management issues is insane. WTF do these green haired city dwellers know about wildlife management? Not a damn thing!

What I want to know is, how much of the NR increase in applications is attributed to shows like yours and apps like onx and gohunt. If you’re looking at numbers it hasn’t changed much overall but hunters are way more aware and can apply out of state way more easily/strategically. So theoretically we’re seeing the same amount of users doing massive swings in the way they acquire tags, seasons they hunt, etc…. Call me crazy lol

Yeah, i knew years ago that buying a house in my favorite state was cheaper than paying nonresident fees over time.

They will miss all that out of state money

I don’t have any skin in the game but I know this. Government is not gonna give up the NR OTC money. So where that will come from remains to be seen.

So if your state wherever that is had something special that you enjoyed, you’d be fine with a shit ton of out of staters coming in every year diminishing your ability to partake in that special thing. I think not .... I think you’d be doing whatever you could to restrict the out of staters

Gonna have to make up lots of money.

@user-qk4qr2zg9h

Ай бұрын

I hate the thought of giving up elk hunting as a non resident, but let’s say every western state bans non residents, you know what??? They have that right but how in the world do you think they will make up the short fall ?? If you’re a resident, then get ready to start paying more than what a non resident pays now. Glad I’ve got to experience tagging a bull elk , but I’m facing the reality of giving it up.

Any reason why we have podcast complaining about to many hunters but yet still complain that there arent enough? Its all marketing. Can only fit so many boats on the lake. The people who run the docks say its overcrowded but the bait shop says there are no more fishermen out there. You cant have both so what is it Randy?

Mre elk. nope different country an view s. The rockies are not the smokeies or ozarks or Appalachian .most come for the mountains an cant afford two trip a year. I have been to them all an rockies got what the rest dont

This is just another way to take money from people. They charge for applying. I paid fees this year just to apply and got nothing. Scam...

Sorry Randy, but it seems like you are not aware of the marijuana tax revenue. IT IS HUGE in CO. License sales are tiny compared!

@Randy_Savage_ohyeah

25 күн бұрын

What does that have to do with this issue??

Hopefully the Colorado commission, does the right thing for the residents and the Game, not the revenue, this is coming from a non resident.they can raise the cost to non resident by $15, I highly doubt any resident would cry, if the reduce the % of non resident tags. This give the residents more opportunity to hunt. I am a resident next door to Colorado and our game and fish cater to non resident and land owner tags , it’s corrupt! Raise our tags by $15! And reduce the non resident tags, you would be hard pressed to find hunters here complain! It’s supposed to be here 85% to 15% no way it’s more like 60% to 40%, cash cow!

Also easy to say hey good for then to advocate for not giving nonresidents as much access when its your full time job to literally hunt and do it for a living. Youre able to afford to buy points and pay your way to hunt. Its absolutely true.

@Randy_Savage_ohyeah

25 күн бұрын

Someone is drinking a little too much of the Haterade….

Easy to be okay with it when you have a lifetime of experiences and "trophies," but for me, a guy who is new and wants to travel this hurts. My state, the vast majority of elk hunters, will never draw a CA elk tag. (To "That guy") No kidding, of course I'm thinking about moving. Even if I know I'll be harassed for coming from CA.

@Randy_Savage_ohyeah

25 күн бұрын

Just don’t bring CA politics and dumb ass ideas with you.

5:15

What happened to Randy

CPW sells 72,000 NR elk tags. At ‘24 pricing that means $57.8M in OTC to NR. If the NAM is truly the gospel, Commissioners are charged to make decisions in the best interest of the beneficiaries. Yet this big fat wad of cash has to be reconciled. Here, I’ll offer a working title on this news release: “For the purpose of affording elk hunting opportunities to residents of Colorado and in continued preservation of the largest elk herd in the world, the Commissioners have decided to skip a revenue approximating $58,000,000.” Oh boy, good luck with that.

Let's go

Why not just limit the total number of OTC archery tags with them available first come, first served? That way the numbers causing crowding are controlled. If residents don't get them first that's their fault. A plain and simple solution.

@patricklink11 0 seconds ago I completely understand the idea of wildlife being state held but are we really celebrating hunters dividing user groups particularly in a state like CO where hunting will continue to be attacked? Also it was stated that residents are not even applying for the tags being allocated by biologists based on acceptable harvest. What we are talking about here is a user group wanting to limit access so they can have a better hunt which is BS. If the resource can’t support it or if the residents were applying and not getting tags that would be one thing. Resident hunter numbers are down because CO is turning in to CA and the user group hunts less. I feel like this is way more nuanced than saying it’s the states residents resource so they should get whatever they want.

@Randy_Savage_ohyeah

25 күн бұрын

I’m a resident who is applying and not getting tags….

@patricklink11

24 күн бұрын

In OTC units? You sir are wrong

This goes for all western states…if you are going to limit NR to the point of pricing us out of the market, well then residents should not be permitted to hunt federal lands. I pay federal taxes for a resource I am not permitted to use without paying an outfitter $10-20k? That doesn’t sound like freedom to me. CO has gotten bombarded because all the other states have priced the common NR hunter out of the market. You don’t want me out west? Return my tax federal tax dollars.

@abqbw

Ай бұрын

Did you miss the part about wildlife being a public trust resource owned by the citizens of each state? No matter where it stands. Fed, state, private land. Doesn’t matter. The entire wildlife regulation system in this country revolves around this principle. The only beneficiaries are state residents. Nonresidents have no entitlement. You are welcome to move to a western state if you want resident hunting entitlement. Colorado isn’t bombarded by nonresidents because they are priced out in other states. Colorado is bombarded because its game commission and legislature have long ignored their public trust obligations to the state residents they swear an oath to represent as public trustees.

@normankaster917

29 күн бұрын

​@@abqbwthat's spot on, and absolutely correct.

@roycefarmer9667

29 күн бұрын

@@abqbw That’s correct. The wildlife are detached from my tax dollars and therefore should be managed by state tax dollars and licensing fees. If it is federal lands, then no access. Wildlife are not part of the federal lands. As for Colorado bombardment, I have only hunted Colorado because on my limited budget, it is the best option. Even Randy states that he has not seen any real analysis from a biological standpoint. Possibly meaning the elk are still there, just harder to get to due to pressure. I have been listening to conversations for a couple years around this topic, mostly with Mr. Newberg because I value his opinion, and am only repeating his analysis (ie Colorado cannot continue to handle the flow of people with access limited for NR in the other states.). But it’s fine though. When the solar and wind farms come calling for your public lands, you will have the limited number of resident hunters and all the liberal transplants from California to advocate for you. The NR have no vested interest any longer so will likely not be there to take up the fight. Best of luck this season.

@kicker6274

29 күн бұрын

Can private landowners hunt the animals on their land? No? Well then the animals on federal land dont belong to the fed gov either...

@roycefarmer9667

29 күн бұрын

Never implied that the animals did belong to the federal government, but they do have jurisdiction over access. If federal tax dollars pay for the management of those lands that the animals inhabit, then access should be limited for hunters if all that foot the bill to manage the land do not have reasonable access. I think that’s a fair compromise.

Co has to many elk so they turn wolves loose witch cause cattle an sheep ranchers to lose more money so the state spends their more .money to appease the ranchers . They could do a better job taking cows an less bulls there are lots of better ways to solve the problem. Jacking the prices don't help . Resident hunters should be able to draw with less points in trophy areas, an many more things they can do.

@philliproberts-bx6ec

16 күн бұрын

🎉its all about the money

First, it's public land that belongs to everyone!! Colorado doesn't have a problem charging NR hunters 15 to 20 times what a resident pays. This " I live here and pay taxes here Bullshit" u hear all the time isn't a reason to justify anything!! FYI, your tax dollars go for the funding of roads, schools, water, salaries of state officials, and other public service that are provided to u within a state. Since the biggest slice of pie in funding to Game and Fish departments comes from Non-resident hunters. Why is it problem if all we're asking is to be treated fairly. Here's a thought the Pittman-Robertson Act of 1937 that provides fund for Conservation and Wildlife should be handled accordingly.... I live in Virginia, Which has a population of almost 9 million people and probably has twice the hunters of a state like Colorado. Colorado has almost 6 million resdients. So why shouldn't Virginia get double the funding from PR act over a state like Colorado. The states pay in more should get a bigger slice of the pie...

yeah, raise the prices because nobody is fighting for Texas and California to open up their hunts, they just want more of what they can pay for. if you like CO so much then just move there.

@oldskool67

29 күн бұрын

Texas and California are easy and cheap to hunt for non residents

@roycefarmer9667

29 күн бұрын

If you like hunting an expanse of land all alone then buy 20k acres.

@JamesClark-lw6sw

29 күн бұрын

@@roycefarmer9667 SORRY, BUT AS AN OUT OF STATE HUNTER THE ONLY LEGAL VOICE YOU HAVE IN GAME MANAGEMEMT IS WITHIN YOUR HOME STATE. OTHERWISE ,GFY.

@roycefarmer9667

29 күн бұрын

Damn James. Easy with the ALL CAPS and the “GFY”. Just having a conversation here.

@rdbenion6660

29 күн бұрын

@@roycefarmer9667 only if it is checkerboarded with another 20k of public

The NR maybe going up but where is the talking where is all that money going to? What is that number and where is that money going to really… dont tell me it’s in research or wildlife management bull crap… do the math on elk and deer tags alone for one year let alone the last four years… if we are going to talk fair and consider resident season lengths and tag allocation and at the same time look at NR tag cost! I feel like all the western states except two are charging what they want because they can it’s for specific driven purposes that are beneficial such as more wildlife officers or biologist or even infrastructure throughout the state. Idk it just seems excessive and as if they can or will raise it for no reason

You know how to stop cwd.....stop testing for it

I donated a kidney to my uncle in Colorado i bet he’d let me use his address for residency

Newberg: Too bad you're not a resident. Also Newberg: My elk tag isn't $80 it's $800,000 cause I moved here 30 years ago and that's the salary I sacrificed by moving here I do have an idea. Someone should sue these elk states for spending hunting money on non-elk species and things that don't benefit the stakeholder interest. It would be interesting to hear the justification for why elk tag money shouldn't go to improving habitat and access.

@Randy_Savage_ohyeah

29 күн бұрын

Lawyer up then

I was born and raised in CO and still am a resident. I am all for cutting all NR OTC tags even if it means higher tag fees for us. Every year in the woods, I see more NR hunters than elk. The quality of hunts has dropped exponentially. In addition, double the price of all NR tags. If you don’t like it, move here, pay taxes here and become a resident.

If they are going to keep NR hunters number’s down, how are they going to make up all the revenue they get from the NR’s!! Maybe they should be paying what is NR’s have to pay for a tag , we hunt Federal property not private!!!!

@Kelbo3575

Күн бұрын

You hunt states elk not the federal. Randy explains this.

Most of us can't afford to hunt out west. that in it's self is Bullshit. And your point about being a resident is BS, for the mere fact, that were all citizens of the United States. People bring money to any state they are able to come and hunt.

I don't care which state you live in...Resident hunters don't want non residents .

Poach and roadkill that's the new way.