I don't blame him for not getting Umezawa's Jitte. It's broken in a way not many magic cards are. Most of the broken magic cards break the rules of the game or cheat the resource system or generate huge amounts of card advantage. Umezawa's Jitte is unique in that it's just... Too efficient.

@Winterhe4rt

2 жыл бұрын

Not only that. The counters go to (for whatever reason) onto the Jitte, instead like they should onto the creature, which makes creature combat even more oppressive.

@real_drainer

2 жыл бұрын

@@Winterhe4rt it would still be to efficient even like that

@Kettwiesel25

2 жыл бұрын

Well killing all of your opponent's creatures or at least all low toughness ones repeatedly counts as massive amount ot card advantage to me.

@bradjones7491

Жыл бұрын

@@Winterhe4rt you could still respond by pulling all the counters off the creature since it's not a costed activated ability, so unless it's an outright destruction effect you might have a hard time killing the creature, and even if it is a outright kill then they either nuke your creature(s) or gain a lot of life.

@tobiasgstrom

Жыл бұрын

Also at the time people played jitte in creuture-less control decks just to destroy the opponents jitte. The legend rule at the time being if two legends of the same name was on the battlefield they both get sacrificed.

Imma point something out: He called every card a stinker Classic

@toadboy-me9tj

2 жыл бұрын

...and...alot of them kinda are.

@Polyphemus89

2 жыл бұрын

@@toadboy-me9tj well, two of them are, I would say parallax wave is actually neither but leans towards staple, the other two “staples” are really good especially considering the jitte is one of the most broken cards ever printed

@toadboy-me9tj

2 жыл бұрын

@@Polyphemus89 I've never seen wave be played...ever...its not played in ANY major format...if it was printed into pioneer would it see play...maybe? 4 mana is alot...and idrk what it would really be good for.

@Polyphemus89

2 жыл бұрын

@@toadboy-me9tj Nizzahon just had this card on one of his lists, it had 10 pro tour top eights. Think about it, 4 mana to remove your opponent’s 3 best creatures for 3 turns? That’s better than most removal and can easily win you the game.

@toadboy-me9tj

2 жыл бұрын

@@Polyphemus89 yeah...but...doesn't a board wipe also do that...4 mana...destroy everything...yes ik it destroys your stuff too but...eh idk. Card just seems ok in today's standards. 4 mana temporary removal...2 for 1s are already rampant anyways...

Was it explained to Adam that in Magic an equipment card doesn't go away after the creature dies? He might've thought it worked like Yu-Gi-Oh's Equip Spell cards (which are like Auras; they go away after the monster dies), which would've affected his opinion of Umezawa's Jitte.

@swampire1

2 жыл бұрын

jitte doesn't look broken on paper the first time you see it, honestly

@GabeKellogg

2 жыл бұрын

As a new Magic player, this is good to know. I had no idea. Also salty my friends who DO play never told me when I throw my equipment in the graveyard haha.

@onlywei

2 жыл бұрын

@@GabeKellogg that’s the biggest difference between auras and equipment

@swiftmic8402

2 жыл бұрын

Riiiight

@Ekair42

2 жыл бұрын

@@GabeKellogg that's a jerk move

I feel like Parrallax Wave is kind of a trick question, because it isn’t played in any constructed formats anywhere currently (without being banned like Jitte), except for its specific standard. It’s good as a combo piece or in cube sometimes, but in every primary format it could see play (Legacy, Vintage, Commander) it sees statistically 0% playrate

@Oldboy02

2 жыл бұрын

In the 1v1 Commander variants (Duel Commander, Archon, ...) it's still a staple.

@steffensgary

2 жыл бұрын

It is a staple in premodern, the fastest growing mtg format.

@Stayner

2 жыл бұрын

@@steffensgary what in god's earth is Premodern? I am intrigue!

@Melvinvanharn

2 жыл бұрын

That's a good point. It was extremely good in its standard, and it could actually work offensively and defensively-you could wave out their guys, or you could block, wave out your guys before damage, and then drop a Wrath or something on your turn. Card is solid, but what does "staple" really mean? Almost all of a card's worth gets defined by the format it gets played in.

@gamerbear84

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stayner It's pretty much what it says on the tin, anything first printed after the Modern cut-off point, so after Scourge, is illegal. Standard legal sets between Fourth Edition and Scourge only and it has its own ban list.

Another rule of thumb: if a card does something without any additional costs in mana or tapping, it's likely good, or even broken. It lets you do a thing endlessly - and likely there's a combo out there that benefits from this exact thing. Like, say, Woe Strider who lets you sacrifice creatures at will, which works great with "whenever you sacrifice a permanent" and "whenever a creature you control dies" cards.

@Mrryn

Жыл бұрын

Basically the MTG equivalent of the Yugioh problem of non-"once per turn" effects being hyper abusable (and a common issue with older cards, like Cannon Soldier, that were printed in a time nowhere near as fast as the game is in the modern era)

His thought process is good. I'm assuming he's a pretty high level Yu-Gi-Oh player. It has to be very hard to do this as a non magic player because so much comes down to context. I love these videos. A lot of times a card is garbage when it comes out then things are printed that break it (tarmogoyf and aether snap type cards). There should be a category for these cases. I'd watch these all day (the mtg and Yu-Gi-Oh ones)

@estebanmarco8755

11 ай бұрын

He at least top 8ted a Irish National Championship (I think he actually won it), so yeah I guess he's pretty good.

Parallax Wave also allows you to stack 5 exiles and use another card to pop it...thus it leaves the battlefield before the exiles...making them stay exiled.

@xTobsecretx

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that one was a really nasty one bc it requires you to think about the stack.

Parallax Wave is also really really good for retriggering your own enter the battlefield abilities, or even protect your board from a wrath effect.

I really appreciate these videos. Not just 'cause the interaction of Adam and Carl are entertaining, but because it shows the thought process behind evaluating the relative power of cards.

Also it should be noted that Death's Shadow isn't reliant on you trying to dmg yourself down. If you are playing against a burn or agro deck your life drops quickly and for one mana you can drop it and instantly have a powerful blocker/attacker that many times they can't really deal with. Especially if you are holding multiples in hand.

To be fair for deaths shadow it wasn’t good until more self damaging cards were printed

@lanaransom716

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of players also forgot about the golgari scavenge infect decks where you discard death's shadow, target a creature with infect some times with a vines of vastwood to make sure they're dead.

@Seelenverheizer

Жыл бұрын

Death shadow was a sleeper for a long time and it wasnt really about getting more self damageing cards, it was more about Modern changing its metagame to a point where those damageing cards matched up more favorable and the beaters added enought value.

@christopherbolanos4695

Жыл бұрын

Thoughtseize ,fetches and street wraith were all available at death shadows printing, the format changed the cards were always there

@timtanner9469

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherbolanos4695 don't forget probe!

@DreadPyriteBob

Жыл бұрын

I totally forgot about suicide black decks I’ll be back in a sec…. *puts on goggles for card dive*

Gotta mention when the boon cycle is brought up (1 mana 3 of something for each colour), the designers did not think that healing salve was in any way comparable to ancestral recall. They didn't think it was as different as it ended up being, but they did intentionally make them different power levels..

@matthew55793

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that + there were literally no TCGs in existence at the time so they can be forgiven for misunderstanding the potential brokenness of something that they had no reference point for.

@nekrataali

2 жыл бұрын

Black Lotus is the another card in the boon cycle. Otherwise yeah, Richard Garfield knew Lotus and Recall were stupid powerful (especially compared to Healing Salve). He thought with ante and people spending around ~$20ish on some starter sets and boosters, a play group of 3~5 people would likely have only one piece of Power 9 among them that would frequently change hands. But then people went out and bought booster boxes and even entire cases (allowing them to make decks with nothing but Black Lotus, Fireball, and Channel), tournaments quickly sprang up with dozens of players, and then Black Lotus hit $100 on the secondary market with other power cards in the $25~$75 range. The game was way more successful than he thought it would be and it killed any intentions he had regarding metagaming and power levels.

@FrozenLavaDragonProd

2 жыл бұрын

@@nekrataali Black Lotus wasn't part of the boon cycle actually. The boon cycle are just Ancestral Recall, Dark Ritual, Giamt Growth, Lightning Bolt and Healing Salve.

@pdieraue

2 жыл бұрын

They also printed Ancestral Recall at rare when all of the other boons were common, which they wouldn't have done if they actually thought they were all the same power level.

@MrJSenf

2 жыл бұрын

@@pdieraue this is what I came to say - glad someone did already

When the first card was Umezawa's I let out the darkest laugh. Goddamn that card was *so good* and I used to roll my friends because of it ALL THE TIME.

Jitte is really difficult to see being good unless you played against it, then you call the Hammer for a ban after you rage quit match 1 when he drops the Jitte on turn 2. It’s probably the most difficult card to evaluate from the bunch. Death Shadow is probably the easiest, all you need to know is that fetches and shock-lands exist and that black loves to pay life fir value and boum you can guess it’s strong.

@littlepractice

2 жыл бұрын

@@SeekSeekLest there was a time when I was actively playing modern tournaments at LGS. had a infect deck pilot tell me my deck with deathshadow was to fast for him. it was a super glass cannon, but when it worked it was silly

@apharys8921

2 жыл бұрын

Jitte is a little weird because you have to invest 4 mana and deal damage with a creature before it does anything, with most equipment you invest mana to affect combat as soon as you put it on something and Jitte takes longer, you're putting yourself behind to build it up. But so long as you can meet that condition consistently holy crap does it do a lot. The effects look small but you get 2 counters at a time and can use them whenever you want for free whether or not the creature Jitte is on gets removed, they're extremely versatile plus they can help you keep attacking to get more counters. There are a lot of nuances with Jitte that make it insane which require slightly deeper thought than most cards. Death's Shadow I think is more tricky because it's not good on its own, it's only good in a specific deck and even when thinking of the best case scenario it's just a pile of stats. Looking at the card on its own you wouldn't think you could play it on turn 1 so the low cost is kind of a lie and vanilla creatures get less and less effective as the game goes on, it needs to be paired with other cards to be effective. It looks like a trap, "Ooh look at all the stats you could get for 1 mana!" But it just so happens there are enough powerful and aggressive cards that damage you to make it work. It's a reverse trap lol.

@tinkerer3399

2 жыл бұрын

I'd say Healing Salve is probably the easiest to evaluate. Translating it to YuGiOh it's effectively like "Give yourself 1000LP or minorly buff a monster for this turn" (not a direct translation I know but roughly speaking). Anyone with any amount of TCG experience should realize how terrible that is.

@jesarablack1661

Жыл бұрын

@@apharys8921 Jitte also came out around the same time as Double Strike, so of course people were slapping them together for 4 counters in one go.

@danielmayer38

Жыл бұрын

@@littlepractice I was playing in that format. Infect was just as fast and was unfortunately the slightly better deck since they didn't need to give Blighted Agent evasion.

Also Paralax wave does amazingly good work when exiling your own creatures, then wiping the board, killing their board and bringing your whole kit back.

@ryann8806

2 жыл бұрын

could probably be fun with yorion too, neat enchantment, dont think ive seen it before

@Dreznin

Жыл бұрын

Or just working great as removing 5 blockers for 4 mana since Fading doesn't sac until a counter can't be removed, as opposed to Vanishing that takes it out as soon as the final counter leaves. When pushing for a kill, Wave will just wipe out the defense.

Cool video format. I'm cheering for Adam and trying to guess for myself. Really enjoyable content. Keep up the good work 👍

@CardmarketMagic

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thank you!

As soon as Carl said hurting yourself is a punishment, that *immediately* pinged in my brain as: punishment for what? Oh, really broken effects probably! So not only are you hurting yourself to get insanely good advantage, but you're also making it easier to get even MORE advantage with Death's Shadow. You only need 1 life to win, after all!

I did toss and turn with the fifth card; the other four in more familiar with but I did settle on staple because I was aware that we have several animation spells for non-creatures to turn them into creatures

This is my favorite content from your channel.

Death's shadow very well may be my favorite modern card. At one point I was running Rakdos, Mardu, and Grixis Shadow.

I love you guys so much that now I'm watching all your videos for a second time

Parallax wave targeting your own creatures seems really good too. Whenever an opponent removes one of your creatures you can respond with parallax wave so you get it back later

Oh my god. I've known Jitte was awesome for a long time and I thought it only got counter when it hits a player! Insane

@kaiseremotion854

2 жыл бұрын

also the fact that damage used to use the stack, you could do the ability between it gaining counters and the creature actually dealing the damage iirc

@amaxingmusic9334

2 жыл бұрын

SAME!!! I re-read it and wondered maybe the designers made the same mistake.

@SharinganMan

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaiseremotion854 That doesn't sound right. The damage would have to be *dealt*, not just be put on the stack, for the Jitte to trigger. Right?

@kaiseremotion854

2 жыл бұрын

@@SharinganMan I'm repeating what I've heard from multiple sources including other youtubers so it might be incorrect. but I think it worked like "this creature is dealing damage-> gain counter-> use +2/+2 before damage ends. "again could be wrong

@MrBunt

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaiseremotion854 it is 100% wrong ... The trigger for gaining the counters would be put on the stack after the damage resolved. Even when damage went to the stack, you could not abuse the counters in that way. Things that were possible when damage still used the stack: saccing Mogg Fanatic while still doing one damage. Saccing Ravenous Baloth to gain 4 life while still dealing 4 damage etc. In all cases, the "when it dealt damage" triggers would only go to the stack after combat damage was dealt. Similar with Exalted Angel for example. You would not gain the life while damage was still on the stack.

I still remember jitte from one of the DotP games. It single handedly carried an otherwise horrible samurai bushido deck. You drew the jitte, you won.

I love the guy on the left's Keith Haring shirt

More!!!! Love this series.

@CardmarketMagic

2 жыл бұрын

We love it too!

Parrallax Wave also is som sort of protection from boardwhips and removal of your creatures and actually it stays one more rotation on the board when it’s on zero conters because it’s only sacrificed if you can’t remove any more conters from it. So it’s really good card and versatile card.

@leekyonion

2 жыл бұрын

The way I see it is the equivalent of 5 paths without any drawback - in addition to you being able to control when it triggers simply by blinking it the 5th time. A card that has an immediate presence on the battlefield and that you have complete control over is soooooo good especially when it can blink creatures back for etb triggers or open up the opponent for a smackdown or even having it on the battlefield to dictate how your opponent must play their next turn because its effect is basically instant speed.

I like how Carl says twice the same thing at 0:21. No wonder he called every card a stinker after that announcement :-D

This was rather funny and interesting to hear Yugioh-players thought-process in evaluating mtg cards. I would like to see more of this.

@andrewallstar2719

2 жыл бұрын

There’s a series of it on some YuGiOh player’s channel kzread.info/dash/bejne/qZOD07ObZtaeoc4.html

@joseph1150

Жыл бұрын

Yugioh players rate things differently because they don't have mana type resources. Drawing 2 cards without any downside is banworthy as a result. Usually if they have something they can use it.

@colgatelampinen2501

Жыл бұрын

Drawing 1 card withouh any downsides would be banworthy in both yugioh and mtg. Pot of greed is truly design mistake on its own level.

I was waiting for him to explain that you can stack Parallax Wave’s triggers can be stacked to exile the creatures permanently.

magic has become more like yugioh , life don't matter until it reach 1

@friskydrinklunkybank1108

2 жыл бұрын

Life is a resource. The old man taught me that

@joshuagriffith9191

Жыл бұрын

More like the other way around. Control players have known for almost 30 years that life is a resource unless it hits zero. It doesn’t matter if you win at 1 or 21. It still works the same.

Another thing to point out with the Jitte: First strike and double strike makes it that much better, and also it's whenever the creature deals damage, so something like Guttersnipe, it'd be getting a lot of counters.

I somewhat recognized Umezawa's Jitte was a strong card because if you play it early and run a 2/2 into a board of 2/1 and a 1/1 1/2 or whatever it can effectively remove 2 from the field. Reminds me of a Shadowverse card, Inauspicious Puppeteer, that gives one enemy creature -1/-1 whenever a creature you control is destroyed and its run in a deck with a critical mass of 0 cost 1/1 haste creatures. Very strong to play on curve and if you dont have an out ready its a pain to deal with

After like a month of watching your stuff....didn't realize I wasn't Subbed yet Thank you 🙏🏼

@CardmarketMagic

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully you clicked that button! We were promised cake for 50k 😅

For the last one I think the main reason he didn't get it is because blink is a strategy he may not be familiar with. For the Jitte the funny part is that quite a few card have had this problem of using words usually followed by other specific words, in jitte's case it the "when it deals combat damage" is usually followed by "to a player", which jitte doesn't have.

I think this genre is one of the most effective videos on youtube.

very fun video! One thing for me at least was the music was so busy behind the talking it was hard to understand some of what was being said at points

Parallax wave was kind of a trick question I feel, it was a staple like 15 years ago(or however long ago it was in standard), doesn't see any constructed play now outside of wierd legacy decks and commander combo stuff.

@ryans.3852

2 жыл бұрын

And cube, as mentioned. If a card is a longtime member of the MTGO vintage cube, is it a staple?

@BookofAeons

2 жыл бұрын

On the scale of staple to stinker it’s much closer to staple. You wouldn’t be laughed out of the flgs for playing it today.

@Dari300ra

Жыл бұрын

however, in any deck that cares about ETBs its amazing, or even just as a means to protect against board wipes. If your opponent plays a "Murder on your non-token creature" you respond with Parallax targeting that creature. now instead of it dying it comes back when the final fading counter is removed. Your opponent casts: "Wrath of god" and you have 4 non-token creatures Boom! They exile to parallax, you have 1 fade counter remaining, your turn starts, remove the counter sac the parallax> Boom! your creatures are back. Put it in a Flicker deck. Blue / White play creatures with ETBs. Arcanist's Owl> ETB: Look at top 4 of your library put 1 artifact or enchantment into hand rest on bottom. (Enchantment/Artifact searching) Deputy of Detention> ETB: exile target nonland permanent an opponent controls and all other nonland permanents that player controls with the same name as that permanent until Deputy of Detention leaves the battlefield. (Token removal, counter resetting...) Skyclave Apparition> ETB: When Skyclave Apparition enters the battlefield, exile up to one target nonland, nontoken permanent you don't control with mana value 4 or less. When Skyclave Apparition leaves the battlefield, the exiled card's owner creates an X/X blue Illusion creature token, where X is the mana value of the exiled card. (less than 4 CMC permanent removal.) Agent of Treachery> ETB Steal a permanent. (Protentional wincon. Play it turn 7 with parallax on field. steal their threats OR steal their lands.) Elite Guardmage > ETB: gain life and draw. those are just a few examples of cards it combos with really well. Basically take a Yorion Deck and add parallax to it you'll likely not hurt the deck. Hell, yorion loves it too. Yorion flickers your other cards Target yorion with parallax repeat yorion's ETB. Fits perfectly into a yorion deck.

@flsantna1

Жыл бұрын

maybe it's only played on legacy and commander because IT'S NOT VALID ON OTHER FORMATS(except vintage)??

interesting, i've never seen parallax wave before but it feels like a great way to trigger a bunch of your own ETBs. Play Wave, then on opponent's end step before your turn remove 5 counters and exile 5 of your own things, then on your upkeep they come back and you get a wave of ETBs.

@mrrodgers0

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, it's often played in 1v1 commander as yorion #2 (or #1 if your commander doesn't have blue)

@ZhysaytheBandit

2 жыл бұрын

Way back in the day (durring the Urza's block) Parallax Wave, Parallax Tide, Opalescence, Replenish, Rashadan Port, and Quash were the keys to a wicked mean control deck.

I think he did really good. he has a good grasp of the game even if he lacks some details or context. Card evaluation is hard even for long time players. I am sure in Yu Gi Oh his evalutaions are spot on.

Next episode should include Growth Spiral and Questing Beast

@altromonte15

2 жыл бұрын

Slippery boogle would be an interesting one, i don't think a card like it would see any play in other card games

some of those are real hard to get without context. I think he did pretty good.

Enjoyed the video. I think it would be better if the correct answers are revealed after all cards are rated to avoid bias of subsequent cards.

You see something with sac creature to reduce cost and throw it in a token deck. Slivers were the bane of my college days. And funny enough was the only one I was "wrong" about. Still could be good in a deck that can get it out fast.

8:11 the other thing is you can deal yourself damage or cast spells that are very cheap with the "downside" of costing you life, which in this case when it's on the board, it would instantly change the base stats of the creature, so ur card would both do something very powerful and buff your creature for combat maneuvering

Parallax wave is also good in decks running multiple ways to proliferate. Parallax plus something like a contagion engine, as win more as it seems, can be pretty handy to essentially exile 2 creatures a turn and never worry about the fade counters. Obviously Opalescence is better but I like options and building Janky things so...

I pulled a borderless oko at prerealese didn't realize how good he was and was only ever able to cast him off of a spinning wheel and getting him from the sideboard with fae of wishes. he was still so good that I went undefeated

Another thing Parallax Wave has is that it's exile and LTB effects as different effects. So it hits the board, you immediately take five counters off it to put five exiles on the stack. They do all have to have targets, but they don't resolve yet. You then flicker it. Its LTB goes off. The exiled cards aren't exiled yet, so they can't be returned yet. It gets returned from the flicker and gets five more counters, and is a different Parallax Wave, so it's decoupled from those first five exile effects. The exile effects resolve, and the cards are gone forever. This was a super common thing to do in Innistrad/Dark Ascension block Standard with all the flicker abilities from M12/M13 and Fiend Hunter. Oblivion Ring also would've been used for it, but wasn't because we only had creature flicker, and enchantment flicker was way less common.

The thing about Parallax Wave was that it also had a 2nd way to use it, that wasn't even mentioned; You played it in control decks that could remove it at instant speed. You'd target the opponent's creatures with all the counters, then destroy Parallax Wave in response. The effect? Parallax would blow up, its leave the battlefield effect would trigger, go on top of the stack and resolve, then all the targeted creatures would get exiled, permanently. A relatively cheap way to get rid of up to 5 creatures your opponent controlled without sacrificing your own. Might not have been as popular or wide spread since it was slower, but still as effective.

@XenithShadow

Жыл бұрын

Thats what happened with opalessences, exile 4 of the opponents creature then it's self. It leaves play it leaving play trigger brings it back the opponents creautre then get exiled to never return.

@Nerobyrne

Жыл бұрын

that's just evil

Ive played mtg since like 2015 and have never heard of parallax wave lol, i as so surprised when he said it was a staple

@888ian2

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, you've only played since 2015 :p

@swampyswamperton6536

2 жыл бұрын

@@888ian2 true, but I've seen sooo many cards by playing with hundreds of decks over the years, and yet I've never even heard of that card lol, there's always more to learn in mtg

@seandun7083

2 жыл бұрын

It was mainly a staple when it was in standard. Now it sees some commander play because you can respond to the exile ability by sacrificing it or blinking it to exile things perfectly, but I don't think it sees much play anywhere else anymore.

Hidetsugu's Second Rite Combos well with Torgaar though.

Deaths shadow would also be a very cheap way to trigger “whenever a creature dies” and also graveyard mechanics that rely on number of creatures or whatever. Especially if you can return creatures from the graveyard. Yank him out late as 5/5 or bigger

In 1999 I had a white cleric/angel deck with 4 healing salves. I was able to prevent most damage, resurrect my key pieces or cheat them into play from the graveyard. Honestly it was one of my most competitive decks.

Opening quote was perfect.

FYI - Parallax wave, if you remove all the counters at once you just permanently exile 5 creatures ... leave the battlefield effect triggers before the exile effect triggers

@iankarfs4568

2 жыл бұрын

It sadly doesn’t work like that. The “sacrifice if it has no counters” in it trigger only triggers at your upkeep.

@jamesbeaton4354

2 жыл бұрын

@@iankarfs4568 Yep, completely missed how fading works, thanks

@seandun7083

2 жыл бұрын

It does work if you can sacrifice or blink it in response like the opalescent combo for example. Repeatedly blinking it means you can get rid of all their creatures permanently and then also protect itself and opalescence from single target removal.

@WhiteBorderMTG

2 жыл бұрын

@@seandun7083 it's used in the opalesence replenish decks in premodern, it's blue counterpart that exiles lands also sees a good amount of play as well.

@seandun7083

2 жыл бұрын

@@WhiteBorderMTG ah, don't play much legacy or vintage but good to know

I think you can never understand how oppressive umezawa's jitte is unless you play against it even when you're told the card is insane. It seems to do just some generic shenanigans and to be somewhat useful but it's an insanely powerful and broken card

Idea, do you think you could do this with entire decks? Like you just give him few decks from a given format (not one he plays) and he has to sort them into staples and stinkers? I feel like you could make that sort of challenge really interesting if you picked modern or legacy or something

Also, parallax wave also had Replenish, and if you have opalescence and parallax tide, it was a one sided Armageddon. That deck with attunement was broken.

They are all great, the question is just if they work against a deck you're likely to meet. If it's good against a deck you are somewhat likely to meet, it's amazing. If it's good against extremely niche decks, it doesn't see play. I can totally see scenarios for all the cards to be good. Sure, some of them are only good in extremely special decks that are trying to really go for an objective, like just having fun and goofing with your opponent or really trying to set up a specific card that can flip the entire board.

Make more of these!

@CardmarketMagic

2 жыл бұрын

More to come!

can also Sundial of the Infinite the trigger of Parallax Wave's leave the battlefield trigger to permanently exile things.

Parallax Wave is even better if you can abuse the ordering of the triggers to permanently exile things. Even without those edge cases, I run it in my Brago EDH deck because I like to blink things....and use it to break timing rules on other cards; like leonin relic warder.

Me: “Healing Salve? That’s seems insanely good. It’s an instant and you can prevent your creature from dying for ONLY 1 mana!!!” Him: “This card’s a staple…” Me: “Of course it is.” Him: “of how bad it is.” Me: “… oh.” EDIT: 9:46 This was my thought process too. I was like “you can just summon a bunch of tokens and sac them to summon this, sure you have to still pay 2 black mana but that’s nothing. And halving opponents LP is insane!!”

@tinkerer3399

2 жыл бұрын

A rough YuGiOh translation of Healing Salve would be "Quick Play: Restore 1000LP or +500/500 to one monster for one combat". Not a perfect translation but hopefully that helps illustrate just how bad it is.

@MrSyltphademus

2 жыл бұрын

A big thing with people evaluating Magic cards is they tend to look at everything in a vacuum. Sure you can summon a bunch of tokens, but unless they're like 1/1s or worse then the tokens are probably more useful for damaging your opponent. Not to mention you're investing a lot of resources into a card that is very easily removed, while 6/6 spread out over three tokens will be more difficult to kill with removal spells. Another thing to consider is what happens when you DON'T have ideal conditions. IE you drew this as the only card in your hand after a board wipe on turn 4. It sits there and does nothing. Opponent is keeping you off creatures? Nothing to sack. And then it's an 8 mana 7/6, which is pretty bad. Add to that the card is a bit contradictory. It wants you to play aggressively and have a lot of creatures, but doesn't want you to attack so you get the most value. Conversely, a slower deck will have stronger creatures that you don't want to sack.

@TuxKamen

Жыл бұрын

@@tinkerer3399 Getting life back is never a bad thing, though

@tinkerer3399

Жыл бұрын

@@TuxKamen ... Yes, yes it is bad. Well not bad but not good (which is bad because you are losing a card). In YuGiOh it is borderline useless and in MtG it is still bad although slightly more useful than in YuGiOh (mainly due to more effects that tie into life gain such as gaining counters or some win conditions). In order to be worthwhile you would need at least three times that amount of life gain, and even then it wouldn't be great. That's why pure life gain cards are so incredibly rare to see played in higher levels for either game, more often life gain effects are added for a little extra boost on cards that have another purpose. And I'm one of the more outspoken defenders of life gain in both formats as a viable mechanic. A lot of other people don't treat it as nicely as me.

@TuxKamen

Жыл бұрын

@@tinkerer3399 I do have a pure life gain card in Peach Garden Oath that worked pretty well alongside my Kamigawa Rat Deck. 2 life per creature, with the amount of Rats that Marrow-Gnawer had the opportunity to generate has good potential

Reusable damage prevention has one corner case where it is useful. This doesn't make healing halve good, as there are far better things to isochron, but other reusable prevention can be useful to sideboard in against infect.

I thought Torgaar would be a staple, but I run zombie tokens. It's like a more versatile to cast Morkrut Behemoth with the downside of falling outside tribal

amazing content idea

@CardmarketMagic

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it

Healing Salve may be a stinker, but it still won me a game or two back in the day. :)

I hadn’t heard of that last one and wow does it have a lot of edh potential, I feel like recurring/flickering it would be pretty easy and you could use it to spam your own etbs or as a reusable way to clear a path for some aggro each combat… even has some political use cases!

@katiequeen7225

Жыл бұрын

another great use, exile your own creatures then boardwipe

I was thinking Parallax Wave was going to be good because you can target your own things. He didn't bring that up. But targeting 5 of your own creatures with strong ETB triggers and bringing them all back sounds broken. I do understand using it to get damage through too

Parallax Wave is also great for ETB triggers.

I thought that Parallax Wave was a not a staple because it's not Modern legal, so it had to be a stinker. And then I thought it's kind of insane that a card like Parallax Wave sucked. I talked me out of a total win for no reason. 😅

@Seelenverheizer

Жыл бұрын

to be fair it sucks. Even back 20 years ago it was middling for aggro and creatures overall were much much much worse then today. Really a BS card to put in this video.

@schrottinator

Жыл бұрын

@@Seelenverheizer Thanks a lot for the insight. :)

@Ninjamanhammer

Жыл бұрын

@@Seelenverheizer It doesn't suck, stop outright lying.

I am glad I got death's shadow early on, but that is because I have always loved suicide black, and I didn't think it was broken, I just thought it might make suicide black more viable. I'm not a good judge, I'm just old.

@CardmarketMagic

Жыл бұрын

Suicide black was such a cool deck at the time! I remember seeing it at the time and the concept just blew my mind!

Parallax wave seems like being able to use Evenly Matched before the battle phase in Yugioh. Has to be one of the strongest MTG cards i have ever seen.

I only play commander and draft but I'm somewhat familiar with other formats. The only one I wasn't 100% sure about was Parallax Wave, though I did decide it was a staple, due to having a name I recognized. 5/5, though that's not terribly impressive when you're an enfranchised player.

I've played magic and seen Umezawa's Jitte in lists for YEARS. Heard about it being the boogy man, heard about it's bans. I JUST NOW realized what that first effect really means. I thought you were being facetious saying people were calling for a judge. Now I want to.

Parallax waves seemed like just an ok card. Like a temporary God of wrath. Then I realized that you could also blink your own creatures!? So blinking 5 of your own creatures to trigger Enter the Battlefield triggers sounds REALLY good.

I would've added a little bit of next level tech with Parallax Wave and briefly explain how the stack works to show its true power. The reason being that you can put it's activated ability on the stack, and before those abilities resolve, you can remove it from play to reset the Wave. Let's say you blink it with itself from having Opalescence out. What happens is the leaves the field trigger happens and returns anything that was exiled with it (which right now is itself). It comes back as a fresh Parallax Wave with 5 counters on it and it has no connection to the Wave that left the battlefield. If you exile a creature with it, and then respond with the blink before that 1st exile resolves, the Wave leaves, uses its leaves trigger, comes back fresh. Then the exile of the creature resolves. That creature will never come back even if parallax wave is destroyed because the one that exiled that creature no longer exists. If you don't have an Opalescence out, this can still work as long as you have something to make the wave leave the battlefield at instant speed. Destroying it, bouncing it, blinking it, etc. all work as long as you time it correctly. This is called the O-Ring Trick because this became popularized with the card Oblivion Ring, but you could apply this trick to older cards like Parallax Wave because of how the card is worded and the spacing of the text. Because the text is separated by a line space, it means those triggers can happen independent of each other, and that's why it's abuseable in this way.

13:24 another thing you can do with parallax wave is exile 4 creatures permanently. Since the triggered ability to return all cards exiled with it only sees cards that have allready been exiled with parallax wave, you can just simply use the last counter on it (in case of opalessence) in response to the other 4 activations of parallax wave, since it's not once per turn and can be used at instant speed. In this case the last parallax wave effect to exile itself resolves, parallax wave is exiled and immidiately triggers it's own ability, before the other four copies of parallax wave have resolved. In this case parallax wave resolves to return all cards(!) exiled with it, which currently (if done properly) should only be parallax wave itself. After that the right now returned parallax wave is considered a new card. Meaning it is technically speaking no longer the same copy of the parallax wave that targets the other 4 creatures on the battlefield. The result is then even if you exile your parallax wave again (right now), since you should still control opalessence, the cards now exiled will not return to the battlefield, since the original card targeting has allready left the field and can no longer return them to the battlefield.

Here's the thing with a lot of the weird staples in MTG: most of the time I don't get them or like them. Shadow, Fatal Push etc but I love weird shit like Biovisionary 😅🤣

I got them all right. Then again I have been playing since Urza's block.

If you wanted to do healing salve, you could've dedicated an entire video on the whole 1 mana cycle. then move on to 2mana guild charm (izzet/boros/etc) and then 3mana (ojutai/etc).

I mean, I got them all, but I study old formats to find new combos that aren't relatively well known for Commander. That said, when I was new new to the game, I saw Unezawa's Jitte and thought "what is this gsrbage??"

paralax wave is cool cuz you can also treat it as "blink 5 creatures"

The first 4 I know, so I got them right. The last card was too old so I guess. And I got it right just because of the pattern, it sounds weird so it has to be good in the context of the video. So in future videos break the pattern sometimes. Put in a card that looks bad and is bad and/or that sounds good and also is good.

Here's more defense in favor of death's shadow, when you play mono black you also have access to lich type of cards in the eternal formats. There was a ruling that states that if you get to a negative life total, Death's Shadow will actually gain +x/+x. It's a major card for alot of graveyard based combat tricks.

@TuxKamen

Жыл бұрын

Maybe combo with Platinum Angel so you can't lose the game when your health drops?

@josequijas7663

Жыл бұрын

@@TuxKamen I forgot about platinum angel

Umezawa's Jitte was a DECK RARE. That's how overlooked this card was when Betrayers dropped.

thassa's oracle as a first card and demonic consultation as a last card, will he notice the combo :)

Only missed healing salve. I would argue that it is only bad in comparison to the series of cards it came with, but is actually amazing as a filler. Ability to mitigate so many meta picks for (w) is fantastic.

Actually, another thing about Parallax Wave - back in the day, cards like this could actually be abused. Because the remove and return effects were separate standalone triggers, if you could get rid of the origin before the removal resolved but was still on the stack (bounce, sacrificing it, etc), the return trigger would resolve first and return nothing, and then the cards would be removed with no way of being returned. They've since tweaked the wording to avoid the issue, but yeah if you played right you could potentially permanently remove up to 5 creature with Parallax Wave.

I can't believe he did not mention the old school combo of Torgaar + hidetsugu's second rite! it kinda sucked but its got me before lol

@SharinganMan

2 жыл бұрын

The "old school" combo of a card from 2018 that would only ever be played with Hidetsugu's second rite in some tiny percentage of RB commander decks, no other formats..?

13:44 Not to brag here or anything, but i was one of those who actually realized that Oko was one of the best planeswalkers ever at spoiler season, and i think i commented it in the previous video too xD. Just his +1 alone seemed crazy to me in eternal formats, getting rid of annoying creatures AND ARTIFACTS of the opponent, or developing your own board when you wanted too was insane. It could be removal or serve as a wincon eventually, inmense flexibility and efficiency for a +1. Pair that with cmc3, high loyalty and other useful abilities, and there you have it. Top 3 planeswalkers of al time ez, may even be the best overall. Now talking about cards in the video, i got into Mtg around 2004, but actually started learning a lot more about game mechanics, competitive etc around 2016, so i just experieced the Dominaria card at spioler season, and i thought it was quite bad xD. I got to know the rest of the cards when i was into the game, and i have to say that the last one in the video got me too lol. The rest are pretty obvious for any advanced player in this game, but the Jitte and death shadow are near impossible to evauluate for new players, those are all about game context. I remember, as a kid with one of my first pre constructed decks(golgari from the original Ravnica set), thinking to myself "man what's the purpose of this dredge thing". Well, as we all know, it's one of the best mechanics in the game. Quickly loads your graveyard with insane value, but i didn't realize that till i really got into the game and fully understood graveyard shenanigans 🤣

@christiangreff5764

2 жыл бұрын

The Dredge thing being totally unintutive for beginners remembers me of an anecdote: I played a guy once who was a) a total beginner and b) proxied some decks from decklists online, without even having knowledge of formats or reading up on how those decks are supposed to be played. Did stumble uppon a Bazaar of Bagdad/Dregde deck with Bridge from Below by shear coincidence and had no idea how to actually play this. More or less thought it was basically the worst among the decks he copied from decklists, since playing this deck like a "normal" one is just useless, the thing had barely any lands, and the Bazaars didn't even produce mana. How is a beginner supposed to get the gameplan "mill yourself with Dredge to get 3 Aquamoeba on the field and 2-3 Bridge from Below and a Dread Return into your graveyard, then revive a Flame-Kin Zealot with the latter to attack with massive zombie token army"? Needless to say, I had lots of fun borrowing this deck and obliterating 4 enemies by turn 3. The deck was basically banned from further use by common vote immediately after. XD Also, good old pre-constructed Golgari deck. I still have it somewhere, never got around to dismanteling and/or upgrading it (for something introducing one of the most broken mechanics in Magic, it does a really bad job of using it XD).

The rule may have been changed, but can't you still also permanently get rid of Permeants with Parralax wave by stacking the removal triggers, and having the "Leave the Battlefield" trigger happen before the other exile triggers resolve, keeping those permeants exiled forever? The wording of its ability is two separate effects, one for removing the counter, and the other for it leaving the battlefield. So if you get its "Leave the Battlefield" effect to trigger first, then any exile triggers that happen afterwards keep the permeant exiled, as they aren't exiled "Until Parelax Wave Leaves the Battlefield" they are simply "Exiled", and the trigger for returning them back to the battlefield has already been done, and won't be repeated.

I always want to make Salve good, because spot damage protection sounds so good in theory It never works as well as I want it to

@bencouch1178

Жыл бұрын

I mean just play a card like gods willing or any of the many other 1 mana indestructable effects, there are lots of significantly better cards

best part of magic is finding a loophole that starts a new combo :)

@CardmarketMagic

2 жыл бұрын

It is so fun!

I love how the guy who is new to the game pronounces Jitte more correctly.

@katiequeen7225

Жыл бұрын

it's a real word, has nothing to do with magic

@shaneg9081

Жыл бұрын

@@katiequeen7225 True. It's an actual Japanese word for a tool usually used for farming (but could be sharpened and used as a weapon). I just find it laughable how many MtG players just can't be bothered to learn how to pronounce Japanese words and names.

I was faniliar with most of the cards... so my score was kinda unfair. one card I didn't know was Jit but just looking at it there was too much BS on it to not be a staple. -1/-1 for emergency removal, +2 attack for equipped creature to push for lethal and +3 life cause we weren't pushing it enough for 2 mana and it's on activation and not attack so you can stockpile those things to use when and where you actually need to.

Got Togaar wrong cause I assumed people would put it in Deathshadow and it would be nuts lol

That Keith Haring button down is 🔥

i got paralax wave right but for the wrong reasons. i though it was a really good card for triggering flicker on your own creatures

I find it hilarious healing salve is the one card from that set of cards that have pay one mana for three that is not seeing play in any modern format