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@anosmianAcrimony

2 жыл бұрын

This is a nice video but the music is a little too loud and intrusive compared to the volume of the KZreadrs. Just a thought!

You can for sure cast the Ruinator from your hand. You MAY cast it from the graveyard, but that doesn't mean you can't do it as normal.

@alexanderyoungert1969

2 жыл бұрын

I was coming to the comment section too say this hah

@NytoDork

2 жыл бұрын

If only they hadn't mentioned it in the video itself

@nekrataali

2 жыл бұрын

It's also why it's really bad. If the card is in your hand, you can't just cast it because you still have to exile three creatures. Really funny how they talk about "RTFC" but then don't RTFC to realize it's even worse than they thought.

@burnsboy101

2 жыл бұрын

@@nekrataali it’s better than they made it lol? What are you on?

@MikeAsbestos

2 жыл бұрын

This dude should try not to look like more of a noob than the guy he's calling a noob

When even a new player who doesn't fully understand how Planeswalkers work can point out why Oko is so strong, you know you've made a busted card.

@peterkirk8510

Жыл бұрын

I think the difference is that he plays hearthstone. A hearthstone content creator did a collab with PVDDR and was shown oko, and had the exact same conclusion for the same reason. It’s less powerful in magic than having that effect in hearthstone, but getting to do a weaker version of it every turn with upside does sound kinda gross to a hearthstone player

@paxpacis2

Жыл бұрын

Why did Magic players think it was bad

@peterkirk8510

Жыл бұрын

@@paxpacis2 because 3/3s are not weak (allegedly), they can threaten oko, and a continuous problem with planeswalkers is that the ones that are worth defending tend to be hard to defend. We also hadn’t seen low cost planeswalkers that start on such high loyalty, and consistently want to use a + ability like oko On top of that, I think a lot of people didn’t realize how much the abilities of creatures have started to matter, a plain 3/3 replacing most creatures, even 1 cmc ones, is a downside. Additionally, hitting artifacts isn’t always relevant, but is a big deal in the matchups where it matters. The card was pretty hard to evaluate overall, but it made a lot more sense in practice, since he was so versatile and was basically always good

@morgantaylor84

Жыл бұрын

@@peterkirk8510 That and the thing aggro decks WEREN'T taking into account is that -6 face damage is HUGE.

@ryanstewart5727

Жыл бұрын

@@paxpacis2 Because a lot of them didn't read the card. Some of us did and said "are you sure that's not a misprint? That's supposed to be a minus ability, right?" It still would have been pretty nuts as a -1 ability, but it would have been a hell of a lot closer to balanced if it cost them resources to use.

I was just listening to this while playing Arena and when i heard that you can't cast Skaab Ruinator from your hand I Alt-Tabbed in the middle of the game to write a comment how you can cast it from your hand but fortunately I noticed the addendum on the screen.

@markc6571

Жыл бұрын

I did a double take when I heard that too lol

@LinkEX

Жыл бұрын

I like your attitude.

@MrCinnamonWhale

Жыл бұрын

I wish more people did lol

@snowhusk

Жыл бұрын

I like your style, dude, mad respect

I think the Aurelia's Fury segment highlights why an almost completely new player is always going to struggle with stinker vs staple - not knowing about other cards that can do the effects efficiently. You might think that spending 5-6 to temporarily deal with an opponent's board is viable if you're not aware that almost every format has a 4 mana sweeper that permanently deals with them.

@Amphibian42

2 жыл бұрын

As an experienced player of many years, mainly playing red, and seeing it for the first time, I'm REALLY surprised its not seen as a red control card to prevent counters and board shit down before a power play, it's difficult in red to predict and prevent a player from totally shutting down a combo or massive play but dropping 2 mana at the start of the turn immediately prevents amy mischief they might want to get up to

@jaxsonbateman

2 жыл бұрын

@@Amphibian42 It's RW though - so if you're doing it for the Silence effect, you could just play Silence (not sure what was in standard at the time if you're talking about it from a standard-specific viewpoint, but even then it's 3 mana for just the silence effect, not 2).

@Amphibian42

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaxsonbateman OH TRUE IT'S BOROS, I was thinking mono red

@seilaoquemvc2

2 жыл бұрын

Well, the raw power is there, it just wasn’t in the right standards, today it would easily slot in Hinata control…. No question about that

@Kryptnyt

2 жыл бұрын

Aurelia's Fury was mostly overrated by players who still thought Fireball was almost good (And of course, both cards are still extremely good in limited!)

Note for magic players, when talking about Tarmogoyf he mentioned Maju, he meant Gren Maju da Eiza, which scales based on removed from play cards.

@pilcrowe

Жыл бұрын

thanks for the comment, was about to write the same thing you pointed out. 6:58

@CaptainDCap

Жыл бұрын

I used to go nuts with that card. I had a deck built around Anti Aircraft Flower and monsters that required graveyard monsters to be removed from play to summon them. My GMdA was quite often a 5000+ card...that then proceeded to get wrecked with Hammer Shot. BUT IT WAS FEKK'N COOL!

@ryanstewart5727

Жыл бұрын

Everything feeds the Maju?

@bucketslash11

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanstewart5727 only banished cards increases its power by 400

@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock.

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanstewart5727 yes, but it's garbage, it has no protection

Correction not mentioned on screen, Tribal did exist when goyf was printed originally. There was a tribal rebel enchantment in the same set.

Making newbies try to evaluate Magic cards is one of the funniest new ideas in MtG and even TCG games in general.

@vxicepickxv

2 жыл бұрын

Getting people that play other games evaluating Magic cards is actually funnier.

@HuxtableK

Жыл бұрын

@@vxicepickxv And you can change this out for the game. Pick a Magic player to evaluate Hearthstone cards, get a Hearthstone player to evaluate a Yu-Gi-Oh card, and so on.

Every one of these type of videos should include Lion's Eye Diamond, it's so hard to evaluate and it used to be junk before it became awesome

@nekrataali

2 жыл бұрын

LED is even more hilarious because Black Lotus is too slow for Dredge in Vintage (one of the few decks that doesn't play it), but Vintage Dredge will still play Lion's Eye Diamond just for the free discard outlet.

@steventhrasher3608

2 жыл бұрын

LED was trash when it came out. I was playing then and we literally threw that card away because we felt so cheated when we got one... In retrospect, I regret doing that.

@MK-13337

2 жыл бұрын

@@nekrataali I have never seen vintage dredge play LED, since they don't play anything with mana anyways. I should know since I sometimes play vintage dredge :D

@peterkirk8510

Жыл бұрын

@@nekrataali it’s not too slow for dredge in vintage, it’s that the mana isn’t useful. They only cast spells that can be cast for free, because their plan is to mull/powder to bazaar every game (and as a result, cannot reliably have enough mana to cast spells that don’t have alternate casting costs). Doesn’t play LED either - bazaar does it all, and considering you’re frequently mulling to 4 or less, LED discarding your hand doesn’t tend to mean very much. I think the actual thing you may be thinking is that it’s sort of a tossup if legacy dredge would want LED or lotus, which is true.

@Trisket

Жыл бұрын

@@steventhrasher3608 LED became truly busted with the printing of Yawgmoth's Will in Urza's Saga a few years later, cast Will, crack LED in response, go off king.

If Oko only was 3 loyalty and had the transform on -1 and Food on +1 instead of 2, that would have been ok then. A lot of “ifs” for a card haha

@celem91

2 жыл бұрын

The name we're ok with, the rest of it's identity was nothing but problems XD

@Ol_White_Fatalis

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the thing with Oko being so broken was that having a planeswalker with cmc 3 that can go up to 5-6 loyalty is just insane, and ofc it's +1 is extremely flexible and powerful, especially in eternal formats where artifacts are everywhere. It could act as "removal" For opponent artifacts or creatures, since giving them a vanilla 3/3 is a big downgrade in almost every situation, and also can serve you as a wincon, making your own food tokens or useless artifacts, depending on game state, into 3/3s to kill your opponent. Also it's -5 is pretty good and can be activated in the second turn Oko is on the battlefield without dying. Oko was just waay to busted in every way: low cmc, high loyalty, an insanely powerful +1 ability that is disgustingly flexible.... Everything man xD.

@UGRdelver

2 жыл бұрын

+1 for food -2 for elk This has been the standard of most planeswalker design, removal ability has minus value more than the plus ability

@lithiumwhiskey1891

2 жыл бұрын

@@UGRdelver Exactly, like Liliana of the Veil, +1 discard, -2 Sacrifice. Starts with 3 Loyalty. Shoulda just stuck with what they had been for 3 drop walkers.

@bloodwire7152

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ol_White_Fatalis and there was also that damned goose, who made it possible to cast Oko on turn 2 and have access to it's ramp by creating another food. A planeswalker with 6 loyalty at the end of turn 2 is just too good for standard

You really talked him out of the Tarmogoyf there

@TheZanzou

2 жыл бұрын

He did that a couple of times throughout the video, talked him out of tarmogoyf and talked him into fury, but he also helped him on Skaab albeit by lying because he didn't actually understand how the card worked and made it even worse than it already was.

@Aquilenne

Жыл бұрын

I feel like he got caught on the definition of Staple with Tarmogoyf since in Yugioh "Staple" generally means cards that you see in almost every deck, while in MTG it just means good cards. He really seemed to be halting on the idea of it being used in every deck, which is very fair since at least back when I was playing it was pretty much exclusively being run in Green-Black-X midrange decks that ran 6+ killing removals in Lightning Bolt/Fatal Push (as opposed to Path to Exile), and 6+ sorcery discards in Thoughtsieze/Inquisition to do as much as they could to ensure that it would be coming down on turn 2 as a 3/4.

Skaab Ruinators artwork is so great. Sad its unplayable. Walking Balista seems too much carried by other cards (Tron lands, Heliod, Constrictor) to be evaluated by someone who doesnt know all these cards.

@celem91

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, balista is a combo-piece that is unimpressive without its other parts. Played at just the right time it instantly ends even multiplayer games, but the text doesn't give much clue to that

@Ol_White_Fatalis

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah ballista doesn't look that good by itself, It's a great card when combined with others that support it(high mana-producing decks like tron, various combos...)

@user-br9th4ei6v

2 жыл бұрын

I remember Balista seeing a good amount of play in Standard when it was legal, it didn't require much support to be a growing creature that could do direct damage to any target. It stays a good card because of the support, but it was good enough on its own.

@ltjgambrose

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-br9th4ei6v Ballista for 2 mana was totally playable in standard. It's good in control decks to block and kill aggro creatures, good in aggro to finish off opponents, and +1/+1 counters have support in almost every format.

@mrrodgers0

2 жыл бұрын

@@ltjgambrose Yeah, people often forget/fail to recognize that Ballista's worst case is "2 (generic!) mana, kill an X/1 or ping an opponent/planeswalker" at sorcery speed. While this isn't especially spectacular, it's still an impressively high floor for a card that is both very versatile and very scalable.

Yeah as far as the Tarmoghoyf card, Tribal cards did exist IN THAT SET. There was like one of them, Bound in Silence, which was a Tribal-Rebel card, but still.

@ShadowReignhart

Жыл бұрын

And Lorwyn introduced Planeswalkers later the same year.

@HuxtableK

Жыл бұрын

@@ShadowReignhart I hadn't considered that.

@ryanstewart5727

Жыл бұрын

Everything feeds the Ghoyf

@xolotltolox7626

Жыл бұрын

​@@ShadowReignhart Wasn't tribal a main mechanic of Lorwyn as well?

@HuxtableK

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanstewart5727 Now the new question: does a Battle feed the Ghoyf?

Neropotence, Jace The Mindscuptor, Island, all were criminally underrated in Magic’s distant past when they first came out. In modern times Ledger Shredder was at first considered a bulk rare. Didn’t take long for that to change.

@_Mythic777_

Жыл бұрын

Oh god, not Ledger Shredder... lol

@velphidrow8317

11 ай бұрын

Ledger Shreder wasn't bulk. People knew it was good It was HOW good

@nedcurfman3486

11 ай бұрын

Island the most BS card in the game. It enables Blue.

I think it should be mentioned that it is so easy to tutor for the Ballista. It's a 0 cmc spell that counts as a creature and an artifact, so many cards let you search for it from your Deck. Even Mono White Decks have enough Tutors to find this card, when they are ready to combo off with it.

Ah Aurlia's Fury. Another in a proud line of cards that are just Fireball with basically what amounts to really sexy sounding flavor text.

wait why wouldn't you be able to cast Skaab Ruinator from hand? The extra payment is that you must exile three creatures from the graveyard but it's not mentioning having Skaab in the actual graveyard... the 3rd ability is that YOU MAY so I guess Carl maybe described it a little bit by his own words :) Cool video!

@lastofusclips5291

2 жыл бұрын

yes, you can cast it from your hand.

@nekrataali

2 жыл бұрын

Also you still have to pay the cost of exiling 3 creatures from your graveyard, even if you cast it from your hand.

@woolfram6517

2 жыл бұрын

@@nekrataali you don’t say… i was mentioning that you can cast it from hand not that you mustn’t fulfill the text of exiling creatures

@burnsboy101

2 жыл бұрын

@@woolfram6517 he’s replied to another comment this as well, must like feeling superior to others

@nZifnab

Жыл бұрын

The video already has that correction in-place ;) There's text during that part that nobody seems to have read.

People didn't think Oko was awful, they just didn't think he was the best planeswalker ever printed and playable in every eternal format.

@mr.joesterr5359

11 ай бұрын

I remember calling my pal talking about spoilers we both said ‘-1 for beast within is crazy strong!’ Hung up. I immediately called him again saying ‘WAIT BRO ITS A PLUS ONE!’ And he legit didn’t believe me lmao We both thought it had to be a typo cause otherwise he would be the best walker ever printed and sadly it wasn’t a typo lol

@Addictivemeh

10 ай бұрын

I remember there were images of him on Twitter before we even knew what a food token was. So the comments were like "Hmm, we'll need to wait and see what Food tokens are before we really know if he's good" - proceeds to be one of the most powerful cards every printed

Aurelia's Fury is *only* really good in Hinata edh. It is so good in that deck, tap all you're opponents creatures, kill the 1 toughness ones, and make it so nobody can cast counterspells or any other flash/instant all for 2 mana.

@WangerZ3291

2 жыл бұрын

if this is good in one deck specifically...it may as well be useless altogether...

@cephalopad

2 жыл бұрын

It can be decent in a Feather deck too, largely because you can keep re-casting it to clear the way for commander damage. Even still, it is a bit expensive mana-wise, so probably not useful until turn 6 or so.

@TheFiretiger

Жыл бұрын

It's pretty ok in feather edh as well since you can use it as a soft lock to someone while you attack someone else. Not great but it is....ok

I don't know ANYONE who thought oko wasn't broken when it was spoiled. It was a +1 for a Beast Within every single turn.

Good idea for content, just a shame the host missed some key information about some of the cards.

@AutumnReel4444

2 жыл бұрын

This, host doesn't play much it seems

@lastofusclips5291

2 жыл бұрын

@@AutumnReel4444 that fact that he neglects the limited format supports this (e.g. aurelia's fury is amazing in limited)

@natahliazaring5291

2 жыл бұрын

@@lastofusclips5291 the host also seemed to have no idea that while Aurelia's Fury wasn't a bomb staple, it still saw moderate standard play, especially in mid-range at the time. Doming their face on upkeep to stop their ability to cast a sweeper (and giving you another attack) isn't nothing, and many of the mid-range decks of the time were happy to play around with mana sinks for the late game. Like it's such an odd pick to call a stinker and really just doesn't fit the staple vs stinker dichotomy very well at all.

@nekrataali

2 жыл бұрын

@@natahliazaring5291 People were even playing singleton Aurelia's Fury after Bonfire cycled out. Pure U/W was probably the best control deck in that format followed by Esper, but there were a few American Control players during Theros. The main reason to play U/W/R over the other color combos was because of Aurelia's Fury and Lightning Strike.

It feels so f***ing good to see a total novice to the game immediately sniff out the exact reasons Oko would eventually get all but errata-ed from the game.

@gabrielethier2046

Жыл бұрын

Commander still has it, and it's still insane in that

@ryanstewart5727

Жыл бұрын

A total novice took one look at it and says "yeah, this is busted", but Magic R&D couldn't see it. Like, I'm not saying that they're to coked up to read, but...

@thesaurusakasickakatheomc7688

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanstewart5727 I'm pretty sure they knew it was busted, and were just trying to make cards so powerful every player needed to buy them, and took it miles too far. I don't agree with that design philosophy, but I think Amazon is a monopoly, so what do I know.

@ryanstewart5727

Жыл бұрын

@@thesaurusakasickakatheomc7688 A very real possibility after looking at the cards they've released since then.

@pickledblowfish6178

Жыл бұрын

@@thesaurusakasickakatheomc7688 i think it's more likely that they don't play their own game, don't care, or their release cycle is so fucking fast it doesn't allow for any testing whatsoever.

Aurelia’s Fury actually had a recent revival in playability in Commander due to the new legendary creature Hinata from Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty. With Hinata in play, Aurelia’s Fury when cast using only as little as RW, can silence all 3 opponents and tap all of their creatures. Hinata turns Aurelia’s Fury from a near unplayable bulk mythic into a potentially game-ending support card/silence effect.

@cthulhu8164

Жыл бұрын

In terms of EDH, while not denying how busted AF is with Hinata, AF was originally first truly redeemed by, ironically enough, Feather the Redeemed, turning AF into a repeatable way to destroy creatures, lock out your opponents from casting noncreature spells and tap down defenses, every single turn. You can even see this being reflected in the price history, AF was at its highest cost (excluding the initial high price) after Feather was released, and while the price rose after Hinata, it didn't rise to the same point that Feather took it to.

@Wooter29

Жыл бұрын

I actually play this card in my Hinata deck and it destroys

Some of the OGs of people missing the power of a card at first - Necropotence (one of the mags at the time called it the worst card in the set), Force of Will (the free card was "too expensive"), and Memory Lapse ("but they just get to cast it again next turn!")

The excitement to tell him the answer about Walking Ballista was clearly to see. I could feel his excitement as well. He did his best to throw him off about his powerful ability. Great episode

Adam: Mentions GREN Maju (Da Eiza) and how it keeps getting bigger and bigger by the number of banished (=exiled/removed from play) cards. Video: Shows GREAT Maju (Garzett), which gets a one-shot boost upon being Tribute Summoned (put into play by sacrifice) ...what.

@vxicepickxv

2 жыл бұрын

I can forgive them putting up the wrong card from a different game more than not reading a card in front of them that said can cast from the graveyard and not can only cast from the graveyard.

@DenTehMan

2 жыл бұрын

@@vxicepickxv Two cases of "reading is hard", but at least the "can only be cast from the graveyard" fluke was fixed in the edit.

@FishFosh

2 жыл бұрын

Not mention Gren Maju is worthy of the staple category but Great Maju is a big ol' stinker.

Absolutely love this series guys, it's been incredibly helpful and insightful as a new magic player. Pleasseee keep em comin

I love these vids, and I'd love to see more, but you know what would be great? Having an actual new MTG player run the game. Say, a player who has just picked up the hobby, and is familiar with the basic flavour of the colour wheel, maybe evergreens - has familiarized themselves with a deck or two, but lacks encyclopedic knowledge. Ideally, someone who's played just enough to catch The Bug. To use examples from this vid: if we're asking a player to rate Aurelia's Fury, I'd love for that to be someone who sees X/W/R and thinks "Wait, Boros has mana sinks? Does this...work?" Or, someone who scoffs at Tarmogoyf because "oh, that's the Greenest thing I've ever seen - Staple, right?" and then hits Skaab Ruinator and kicks themselves for forgetting how little Blue relies on creatures by comparison.

You actually can cast skaab ruinator from your hand you just also need 3 creatures in your graveyard

Haven't played magic in 20 years. Guessed literally the opposite on every card so I went 3-2. No clue how Plainswalkers fit the game so that one was kinda hard to guess.

This was cleaver. Do more of these

To be fair on Walking Ballista, I think it rates the same as Aurelia's Fury- In a vacuum, not great. But an amazing combo piece with a lot of stuff! As opposed to stellar in a vacuum, but outperformed everywhere else

@gabrielethier2046

Жыл бұрын

It isnt just a good combo piece, it's also just a solid card

Oko can still be played in Commander, one of the most popular formats in magic. This is why the price is so high.

@Worldly_Pitfall3

Жыл бұрын

This host doesn’t really seem to look like he plays much magic

I remember people saying that Arclight Phoenix would be trash.

I heard the yugioh player coming through when he said eldlich instead of eldritch

I knew Oko was going to be busted. I definitely underestimated how busted. Walking Ballista definitely got me

@tinkerer3399

Жыл бұрын

Walking Ballista didn't get me but only because I metagamed a little and went "This card seems so terrible it must be fantastic". Although I am extremely embarrassed for thinking it was terrible because in my limited MtG experience I mainly played a Helios +1 counter farming deck. I really should have known how easy +1s are to get.

Just wanted to comment and say you guys are reigniting my love of magic! Keep up the content ❤

@CardmarketMagic

11 ай бұрын

Thank you :) I'm happy we are getting you back in touch with the game we love

Wish someone had made the analogy between Walking Ballista and Catapult Turtle/Cannon Soldier

Aurelia’s Fury was the first time I preordered a playset of mythics as a spec…man, never made that mistake again

The cold read on oko +1?! Nice job new player

@bluepomegranate

2 жыл бұрын

He did a better job evaluating the card than R+D did when they designed it lmao

Love watching people evaluate magic cards. And its also funny how often we as magic players miss evaluate card power. Thanks

Skaab Ruinator can be cast from hand, 'may cast from graveyard' is very different to 'can only be cast from graveyard'

a note about aurelia's fury, in a horizon deck or another mana commander deck it is versatile enough to be a counterspell that works by removing the player from the game

The editor didn't know what gren maju was lmao

Skaab Ruinator was a house alongside Myr Superion in my Vial and Company modern deck for a while.

At the time Planeswalker didn't exist but tribal did exist, Bound in Silence is a Tribal Enchantment - Rebel Aura printed in Future Sight, part of the original Time Spiral block

In future episodes of this series, you should hit some of the classics, like Necropotence, Yawgmoth's Will, Oath of Druids, or Memory Jar.

When he mentions Gren Maju, they show Gren Maui Garrett which is not the card he was talking about. The effect he’s describing is Gren Maju Da Eiza, which is a Yugioh! Card which pops up every few years when big attack stats and banishing is really strong.

The funniest thing about Tarmogoyf is that it was a couple Cent card for a very long time after release. And then it exploded in some weeks in price.

Wasn't Oko arround 20€ at pre-release? No one in their right mind thought the card was bad. Especialy after seeing it in action even at pre-release.

@pistolpete7422

2 жыл бұрын

Most planeswalkers tend to be upwards of $10-15 on release regardless of good or bad.

@randomguy6680

2 жыл бұрын

@@pistolpete7422 Yes, but the price I gave is far from the range you quote. So I do not see the relevence.

@ShaqPlaque

2 жыл бұрын

@@randomguy6680 By prerelease, the full set had been spoiled, so at minimum, the Food token and it's immediate synergies with the Fight Wolf at 4 and the Goose at 1 were clear. I'm not up on my Euro to USD conversions but comparing to the Goyf price announced in the video (a card that's seen a lot of reprints) that sounds like the price tag of a Walker expected to be a clear pillar of Standard without necessarily showing up in Eternal play. People knew it was good, but no one was expecting it to outperform Jace the Mind Sculptor in Legacy

One of the funniest memories I have with oko is a friend said that they found this card that is “the perfect answer to oko!” When he went to play test, oko just kept turning it into an elk 😂

Aether Revolt was such a fun set. The Revolt mechanic, energy counters, Hidden Stockpile, Winding Constrictor, Atherflux Reservoir... There were so many ways you could make decks that looked like utter jank but somehow were viable enough to have fun with in standard, and win in silly and unexpected ways.

I love the magic player editor editing this putting the wrong gren maju 😂

Really good concept for a video

Cool idea for a series of videos.

15:00 “can’t play anywhere” -Commander players screaming in the corner

@DenTehMan

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. He said "almost".

6:59 I think the Yuigoh card he was referring to is Gren Maju Da Eiza.

@silastopole

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, found it hilarious that they edited in garzett 😂

walking balista pairs exceptionally well with mephidross vampire.

The first two cards I thought of are Lion's Eye Diamond and Flash.

Fun video! I liked it.

I appreciate this kind of content so I'll like sub and comment :)

They put GREAT maju next to tarma lol. It's GREN maju. Pretty different cards

This episode missed a chance to just play a copy of Cannon Soldier over the ballista. The last ability on ballista and cannon soldier are broken in basically the exact same way, he would instantly understand lol

@Strolpol

2 жыл бұрын

It’d help if he knew mechanics like undying existed

The walking ballista has to be one of my favorite mtg creatures

Fun fact: Htarmy was only supposed to be an okay limited creature that was a sneaky preview for Planeswalkers (IIRC they were actually going to have a Planeswalker, but didn't have them ready in time so they made our boi instead).

Also, Planeswalkers and tribal cards were in lorwyn block, which was released directly afterwards.

My whole red and green agro deck is based on cheap +1/+1 counters and buff instants, and I had the same problem as the guy rating the last card. I didn't realize that other cards can interact with this one! It would make my already powerful in my opinion deck insanely op. Idk how I didn't realize this before you explained why it's banned.

I was in attendance at a prerelease for the original Innistrad. The only cards people were willing to trade binders for was Snapcaster Mage and Liliana.

Walking ballista also effectively has "when this creature dies, it deals x damage distributed as you choose among any number of targets, where x is it's power"

I think a lot of people forget that Skaab Ruinator and Birthing Pod were standard legal together.

as a newer sub to the channel ive gone in reverse order of your vids as player of both tcgs yugi knowledge gives a good idea for combos but mtg has aspects that dwarf yugiohs combo flow this was a fun video

I still love the future sight frames, and I make commander decks entirely out of proxies of that frame.

The first few Tribal cards were printed in Future Sight, the same set as Tarmogoyf. And the first Planeswalker cards were printed in the very next set, Lorwyn.

DV for not knowing what a lhurgoyf is Also Goyf could become a 6/7 at the time of its printing (artifact, creature, enchantment, instant, sorcery, LAND) just for clarification. Dropping 2 in a game often meant winning that game for a very long time, and the card even hit the $200 mark in the US for a little while prior to its first reprinting in 2013 in Modern Masters.

I had stopped playing standard when Oko came out, and I immediately knew it would be busted in standard and Modern. I don't know how so many people missed it.

@sebastianlavallee706

Жыл бұрын

Honestly don't think people missed it - it always felt like the only excuse for printing him in the first place would be accidentally writing +1 instead of -1.

The main problem with Oko is that it's second ability is +1 when it should have been -1. I'm surprised he didn't mention that.

@EskChan19

Жыл бұрын

But it IS a +1. It doesn't matter what it SHOULD have been, what matters is what it is. And Oko is an always has been a +1 effect. And that is busted.

@Last_Resort991

Жыл бұрын

@@EskChan19 Thanks Captain Obvious. I double checked and it really is a +1. We all didn't know until you told us.

I hurt a lot of feelings back in the day with goyf. Love that creature!

honestly I got tripped up with the ballista question for the same reason, for some reason my brain just defaulted to considering them 'ballista counters' rather than something other cards could also give to it.

“May” vs “must” or “can only” Magic language is very precise

It shows how long it's been since I've had a proper game that I forgot about Heliod because Walking Ballista was already an insane infinite combo piece BEFORE Heliod existed.

@CardmarketMagic

Жыл бұрын

Ballista is also simply a great value-based in ramp decks! :D

The one staple I called back in the day wasn't a huge sleeper, but I called out that Delver was a flying Wild Nacatl and would be very good.

I've got a mono-blue self-mill deck that Skaab Ruinator is the star of! It's quite strong in the correct build. Exile a Misthollow Griffin, then you can cast it from exile! Yes a tad jank, but still super fun to play.

This format is really good!

Skaab ruinator existed in standard with misthallow gryphon witch can be cast from exile I won quite a few fnm using it

My buddy introduced me to magic around Invasion block, so when I started buying my own cards I went back a few sets and really liked the MM block. Right from the start I always knew Rhystic Study was an awesome card, I had an annoying blue deck (is there any other kind?) that was constantly making them pay more for spells and/or take damage for doing it/not doing it just so I could draw a ton of extra cards. We were filthy casuals that mostly bought boosters/boxes and built decks out of what we got so it's not like it was a top tier deck or anything, but it was pretty fun and it almost won a tournament at my local card shop around the Judgment block when people had some kind of infinite loop deck (been so long I can't even remember, green threshold creature was involved I think?). I say almost won only because I got greedy (because I'm an idiot) and cost myself the game. I stopped playing several years ago but recently I heard that the price on Rhystic Study skyrocketed.

When I read "classic cards" I was thinking Arabian Nights or maybe Weatherlight. I am old

There's a trick when you request to someone evaluate Oko or, for example of a new card, Kiki Jiki's saga. The most of players don't have idea how powerful those cards are when they were released and it's hard to evaluate it without playing it before or watching a match with those cards in play.

"You can play oko almost nowhere" Commander players: "am I a joke to you"

@rileygilmond7014

2 жыл бұрын

You legit said "Almost" in the quote lol. Edh players would be that almost.

@Null_Experis

2 жыл бұрын

that's a good way to get pithing needles and/or lose friends.

@machdude3366

2 жыл бұрын

@@Null_Experis In a 4 player free for all, Oko is not that dangerous because it can't check everyone. Oko is strong because it is oppressive against 1 player, but its main purpose in commander is to prevent a pop off. With how much I'd available in commander, it isn't nearly as strong.

@Null_Experis

2 жыл бұрын

@@machdude3366 The ability to turn ANY artifact or creature into a simple 3/3 elk is ridiculous by itself, even if it's only once a turn it can still steamroll most opponents not using strats to mitigate it like creatureless decks or heavy enchantments or decks that allow you to leverage food tokens. The fact that an oko player can do this on turn 2 is worse.

was smiling during the whole walking ballista segment, i play commander and generally can tell if a card is going to be a staple or banned in other formats if i've seen it often, and man I love walking ballista. I don't think it's ever even really been the most perfect synergy with any of the decks i've put it in, but dang if it can't find a way to synergise with any deck that makes any reference to +1/+1 counters. one of those nice little cards that can just synergise with a very palpable percentage of the strategies in the game

the fact that goyf referenced planeswalkers when they didnt come out till the next block is kinda crazy.... i never noticed that

@vxicepickxv

2 жыл бұрын

Same with tribal cards.

@Kettwiesel25

2 жыл бұрын

One tribal card existed in Timespiral block already: Bound in Silence

I would love to do this except in reverse. I played hardcore from 4th edition up to Alara block and stopped. Give me some new cards to try and judge their meta usage.

Speaking of "ballista counters", Icatian Javelineer entered the battlefield with a javelin counter that got removed to ping... And I don't think there was any way to get more...

There is a much simpler solution to making Ballista a win condition and it is to lower activated ability costs. If you can lower the cost to 0, you can pay nothing to gain a counter until you have more counters then the other player's life total.

Oko is like the icing on the cake about why I hate Planeswalkers and to a lesser extent why I dislike Simic colors lol

"In aggro, you have no mana. Your 3 mana is not enough to case this." Me: Screams internally as I regularly draw my 8th land in my 18-land burn deck

@CardmarketMagic

Жыл бұрын

What have you done to be so cursed by the burn gods? 😯🔥

Am i missing a correction on Skaab ruinator? cause you can cast it from hand.

When Oko first came out everyone I knew including myself underestimated it until it was actually played.

Wow aurelias fury would be kinda nutty w Hinata. wonder if it’d see play in standard today like magma opus, it would be fairly weak if she wasn’t already on the battlefield

I was in the Oko isnt very good boat until i opened one at pre release and got to play with it. I realized very quickly that i was wrong.

Literally NO ONE misses on the Elk LMAOOOOOOO everybody knows