Wheel has a centre line, so that you known where straight ahead is. Looks impressive. They car JLR should have built.

The whole point of the transfer box leaver is that it’s mechanical - you are engaging low range, not an electric switch that takes forever to engage. The steering wheel also has a centre line so you can see where straight ahead is. Foot rest in concerning and no clear remedy for it either.

@Br1anuk

Жыл бұрын

Also the diff locks are a"faf!" When you need to use diff locks you don't care if they're a faf you're thankful to God that you've got them and you're going to get home. As it says in the title. ITS NOT A SUV

@thia1963

Жыл бұрын

My 2003 Mercedes ML had a electric low range switch.Worked extremely well.

@Br1anuk

Жыл бұрын

@@thia1963 of course every Mercedes ML ever made is still roadworthy and currently crossing the savanna and outbacks of Africa and Australia. Ever heard the phrase “Keep it simple stupid”?

@thia1963

Жыл бұрын

@@Br1anuk My Mercedes never let me down, since when have most 4x4 owners crossed the Sahara. A bigoted remark.

@bc5299

Жыл бұрын

easy fix to the footwell issue the other footwell doesn't have the hump created by the exhaust routing. you folks just need to learn to drive on the correct side of the road

I love to see somebody complaining about the old school transfer case, but at the same time probably loves a manual transmission and finds them perfectly ok

Too expensive as a work truck, and not plush enough for those that spend that kinda of money.

@Driver599

Жыл бұрын

These days people spend 60k plus on Wranglers and the new Broncos nicely optioned are not far off. (welcome to the high inflation era) The Grenadier has better interior quality and seems to be engineered to a high standard. Plus, built in France with German components will command more money. Jeep and Ford manufacture engines/ gearboxes in Mexico and people don't mind paying high dollar for those 4x4s.

@mrqualityreviewer4752

Жыл бұрын

It is priced more than the wrangler

@diesel92kj1

Жыл бұрын

20k for a new pick up, who will buy this is beyond me.

@mrqualityreviewer4752

Жыл бұрын

@@diesel92kj1 trust me the US market the same one that cries all the time about inflation yet buy broncos with 11 grand markups will eat this up.

The title claims “this is not an SUV“ and Steve repeats “this is not an SUV”. Then Steve’s comments show he’s clearly an SUV man. The entire reason this vehicle exists is to be a different option to what is available.

@steviefowler

Жыл бұрын

Agree, but as Ineos say themselves, 60%+ of buyers will be 'lifestylers' and lifestylers are used to certain SUV creature comforts and are likely to be turned off by not having at least some of the convenience features available.

Looks like a solid vehicle. If it can remain reliable and dependable while making incremental improvements over its lifecycle should be formidable against the likes of the Defender and G Wagen.

@oriondoublecrossed

Жыл бұрын

It will be for sure. This feels very well built. Something similiar to a lexus.

@Mister.Unknown

6 ай бұрын

The modern Defender has already willingly stablished itself as the "BMW GS" of Land Rover, a vehicle so vaguely reminiscent of what it one was, yet so ridiculously priced, that its natural habitat is now the streets of Kensington and the parking of Harrods. G Wagens still retains its 4x4 blood but costs virtually double of the already overpriced Defender, which leaves a target market that even surpasses the wealth of an average luxury vehicle owner.

@Kacpa2

5 ай бұрын

@@Mister.Unknown Because these marques seen and seeded market for this suv mess cannibalizing real offroaders and station wagons on both sides while replacing status car role from luxury saloons. Range Rover was the start, everyone copied it, and honed in rest of line ups to crossovers and suvs as they finaly found out what most women car is, from all ranges of wealth. High riding, "secure", "kill the other person" barn onwheels, or car that fakes these qualities well enough(all crossovers). In america it also affected pick up trucks similarily. End result is more money for them and little or no choice who legitimately need and want a proper car be it true offroader, manual transmission sporty wagons, or compact workhorse cheap pickup truck. All these are virtually gone, and even if some stranglers exist they are expensive. While this featureless SUV/crossover blob grows cannibilizing more and more of segments that used to exist and be affordable(B segment super mini wagons for example, we used tp get 207SWs, Ibiza wagon, Fabia wagon all these are gone as new cars). Its just a disaster... Things like Grenadier are a bit of hope, but its not so.ethong that can happen for too many more lost kinds of vehicles...

At 70k I'd rather take a land cruiser. But at 50k this starts to become a good option. Can see it becoming a workhorse on safaris, estates and adventure tourism and the likes however proce needs to come down!

My pampered 1998 Jeep Cherokee has this EXACT steering. It requires some pretty intense attention on pavement, especially at highway speeds. But - just as Grenadier has decided - once you're in the soft/rocky/steep/tight stuff, it is indeed in its element. Moreover, one really DOES NOT want a servo going out when engaging diffs, etc. Mechanical is king when it really must count. I'm thinking a reviewer with some actual serious off-road experience might've had a different take on this rig...

@slammerf16

Жыл бұрын

97 Cherokee here - agreed on all points!

@2036scott

Жыл бұрын

I think he was reviewing this as if it was a luxury sports car, he was wanting modern luxuries in a vehicle designed to do what the original defender was designed for.

Still a bit poncy for my liking, they need to strip 80% of the comforts out of it and just build a bog standard basic utility vehicle like an 80s defender, land cruiser, patrol.

@marynadononeill

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. First he says he doesn't want an SUV, then he says he wants his comforts! smh

@aryaahmadi4029

Жыл бұрын

Nobody does that anymore, except maybe Jeep Wrangler and Toyota Tacoma

@leangrypoulet7523

Жыл бұрын

I think if they offered a stripped down version, like the county spec Def, it would sell very well, to both private and commercial buyers.

@MrOtistetrax

Ай бұрын

This is the first Gen. They need to recoup R&D and tooling costs by selling them to rich country-estate owning feckers.

This is aimed at a very particular buyer. Personally, I think i'm in that category and i'd love all the buttons and steps to go through and I think people like me would love that. I like howthe reviewer talks about charm at the end, I think it's got that and that's something the new defender couldn't live up to. Well done Ineos.

@stonemarten1400

Жыл бұрын

David, hope you have the £70k to stump-up - that’s a bit of a shocker!

@davidswindells624

Жыл бұрын

Sadly I don’t. That’s going to be their biggest downfall unfortunately. Although, if it lasts as long as they say, 10-15 years then it might be worth the investment. Although I’d like to see them put their money where their mouth is and offer 15 year loans to bring the cost down.

@stonemarten1400

Жыл бұрын

@@davidswindells624 sadly, at that cost I think you will see many of these on the Cheshire and Surrey school runs, as it will become a rich man’s toy. Most ordinary country folks will have to settle for pick-up trucks and old battered Defenders.

@davidswindells624

Жыл бұрын

I think you’re right. Just looked and with inflation, a factory defender from 2016 was 33k and would be 39k today. So maybe if you bought the commercial one with no options, that’s 55k. Given they aren’t jlr with the existing manufacturing line and expertise, it’s actually not a bad price. Just a shame how much everything costs these days

@mrqualityreviewer4752

Жыл бұрын

Yep 80 k us for that lol maybe shouldn’t have put those expensive BMW parts in a bare bones vehicle

So glad you mentioned the foot rest. I'm 6 foot 2 and could not get comfortable with that raised rest - Hence I could not buy one. I nearly cried.

Great vehicle. Wrong reviewer sent to test it

Be good to see a comparative review of the Grenadier against the new Defender e.g. cost, ruining costs, main parts costs, estimated resale values, off (and on) road capabilities, towing capabilities and general usability. Be good to get some more insight as to the application of the accessory bars on the sides of the Grenadier.

I’m looking to get this test drive this Thursday in Australia. The new defender having problems apparently? I’m thinking diesel is the best option for off road?

Looks like a decent platform to create a good overlander or off roader, however, stock tyre size is small given we live in a world where you can option other vehicles with 35 and even 37 inch tyres in some markets.

Great review. Old school 4x4 for land owners which probably won’t appeal to the Chelsea Tractor brigade. I know the reviewer had a walkie talkie in the centre console but, my goodness that dashboard creaked, the Discovery’s, Range Rover’s and Land Cruiser’s didn’t but perhaps it’s because it’s an early press car. You need to take an exam before figuring out how to lock the differential but at least you don’t have to step outside and lock front wheel hubs as I had to with the Daihatsu F50 ( fantastic off road) I drove some forty years ago! Prices start at £60k. I’d rather a long wheelbase Jeep Wrangler.

Here speaks a bloke who clearly has never been in need of the diff lock low range to get him somewhere where this vehicle is meant to go. I drove Land Rovers in my job as a keeper for years and boy did I need it on two areas of our shoot.

This is what the new defender should've looked like

You say a three-spoke steering wheel would have been nice as it makes it obvious which way the wheels are pointing. However, it does have an alloy band at 12 o'clock on the rim, surely an even easier way to see when wheels are pointing straight ahead?

Different, would have been nice to see boot space and rear seats though. Also mpg and the price. ~sigh~

@garchie5150

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, more info...

@stonemarten1400

Жыл бұрын

About £70k starting price and less than 20mpg for the petrol engine - hope you haven’t spat out your coffee!

Much better looking than I imagined. Will this sell in France where there's the eco bonus/malus? The bottom of the steering wheel is different from the top so that shows the way and if centred.

If I was to choose the Ineos Grenadier or the Land Rover Defender, I would go for the Grenadier over cherry pie. It looks amazing. I love how they’ve tried to capture some of the styling of the old Defender.

@MaZEEZaM

Жыл бұрын

Some of, lol, its near identical but that's a good thing as I love the defender design and this company has added modern comforts like comfy seating and Satnav and modern audio system.

A great quick review Steve. I guess there is quite a learning curve to fully understand what does what but as some one jumping into this car from an err... modern car with all the creature comforts learning what to do might be a tad daunting. This looks like a brilliant utility vehicle though and to get the most from it you need to not only read the manual but to experiment with the car as well along with the plethora of manual changes (read pressing buttons or changing switches). Out of the gate I'm pretty impressed. It'll be interesting if these cars end up being used for the school run, somehow I doubt it. Similarly being used in the more prosperous areas apart from the current exclusivity (new brand and model) it may well need to earn its stripes. Thanks for sharing.

@duanvogel3684

Жыл бұрын

Hi Steve. In my opinion it looks like the review don’t fully understand the dynamics that comes with hard-core solid axle 4x4,s. Most of the dislikes mentioned comes as spart of the package and don’ really bother buyers in this segment. We don’t expect a soft roader SUV to be brilliant off-road either.

An impressive car. However, the BMW engine is quite a complex one. It will be difficult to get it repaired or even serviced outside Europe, North America or Australia. I wonder how long the fancy middle console and the overhead display will last once the car experiences serious off-roading and corrugated tracks. Getting spare parts in less developed countries will be a headache. Still, this vehicle is much closer to a modern actual "Defender" than the new Landrover Defender. Well done.

@robw7676

Жыл бұрын

You don't have a lot of choice with developed world emissions legislation but to have an electronically complicated engine. Anyone who has the diesel in a country that permits it would be wise to delete the DPF and EGR though.

I LOVE the cabin and all the proper control gear. The footwell issue would definitely bother me.

I enjoyed watching the Video Review. I actually quite like It

a good review of what appears to be a good vehicle for sure but having spent 33 years of my life in Africa & done some serious offroading including the length of Tanzania & Uganda I would have like to see the vehicle put through a lot more mud plugging & river wading etc to see how she really performed in the tough stuff.

Love to see crash test results from Euroncap ,IIHS and NHTSA

@rainerzuehlke501

Жыл бұрын

It passed. Frankly, these standards are irrelevant off-road.

@qbal7562

Жыл бұрын

At some point it'll be on road.

Looks like GWagon and defender old school had a baby still a great looking car

I think this is the vehicle who really wanted to buy the old style defender with the comforts included that was missing from the original. Btw, you didn't mention safety at all, the very reason the defender stopped being built. I don't know what these cost, I would hope, far less than the Merc but if you can afford one, I think this is the vehicle to modify away the small issues if that's possible.

@OntarioBearHunter

Жыл бұрын

I always hear about " muh safety".. proper buyers know limitations of design and don't give 2 craps about IHST results or NCAP scores... only people who won't buy them anyways scream that garbage

the Ineos Grenadier 4WD + 3.0 in. Lift 3.3 Biturbo V6 5-Dr SUV (RHD) could do with a dedicated off road variant . . . it'll feature reinforced chassis frame & body for greater torsional rigidity & enhanced stiffening . . . beefed up suspension featuring stiffer springs and shocks & a heavy duty 3.0 in. suspension lift . . . 18.0 in. alloy wheels shod with 265/70 R18 mud/terrain radial tyres . . .

"I want a heated steering wheel" :-). Needs a soy latte

@stonemarten1400

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, they’re a complete waste of time. I live in chilly Scotland and on freezing mornings with a leather steering wheel, it’s only about 10 seconds of mild discomfort at the worst.

Would like to see this perform in Australia, or Utah off road .

We need that manual inputs - Why are you complaining? Thats why this car is special...

They'll make a fortune when they bring out an armoured version.

@anthonyesiemokhai1603

Жыл бұрын

It will be way slower because of the extra weight which will negatively affect 0-60 times.A Land Cruiser or new Defender is better able to manage extra weight while retaining the creature comforts VIP passengers are used to.

It was impressive work.😍

I'm surprised why it doesn't come with a front camera and AC outlet at least for the cargo area. it is very useful to have a front camera out of experience you don't need to get out of the car to check the track, specially if it is raining or your know that there is wild animals in that area.

@BryanPike

4 ай бұрын

You can get 400w AC power as an option with additional battery as an individual option.

From the outside it looks like a Land Rover defender i hope its more reliable like a Landcruiser because thats where it will really matter.

Questions, how much for the petrol version in the UK? When will it be available in the UK? Is there going to be a long list of factory options, or dealership options? Including a full body external roll safety cage? As well as can the Petrol Engine, be converted to LPG or bi-fuel LPG and ULP, or for the new carbon neutral synthetic fuels too? Lastly can Disabled Hand Controls be fitted, plus a wheelchair hoist in the rear too, maybe side door lifting seat platforms too?

Give me an early 80’s Australian County with our Isuzu specced diesel any day. (Before the price goes through the roof and passes a new Jimny😂)

This is what we have been waiting for, except the price. It cost 40% more than Amarok or new Ford Raptor.

@leangrypoulet7523

Жыл бұрын

That’s because it’s abilities off road and for utility purposes are 40% better than an Amarok or Raptor which are just pick ups for urban posers. Neither are serious off road utility vehicles which is what this is.

Ineos need to take the car on a worldwide safari tour to prove it's worth

I really like this car but way outside my price range. I am happy with my original Defender. The new Defender is made for luxury demographics and built on range rover and discovery platform.

For next year 2024 il either buy this suv or the Lincoln navigator but mostly il go for this suv

Respectfully, this guy seems much happier when he’s reviewing a large car over in the USA.

@steviefowler

Жыл бұрын

My favourites are small, cheap things in the UK!

Finally launching in Korea!! I am buying this beauty!!

I like the pseudo-Defender looks and modular aerospace like dash design. Not so keen that it’s only available as an automatic (BMWs fault I suppose). Recirculating ball steering! There are car companies still using that!? It’s deliberately old school though, so I forgive the quirks 😁 I still think this vehicle is largely aimed at customers nowadays who miss being able to walk into a dealer and purchase a real 4x4 like a Defender from new.

@JorgeRomero-jt2ne

Жыл бұрын

Jeep Wrangler JL (2018 until today) still uses recirculating ball steering.

@DavidDatura

Жыл бұрын

@@JorgeRomero-jt2ne is that because it’s more durable (a 4x4 raison d’être) than rack & pinion?

@JorgeRomero-jt2ne

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidDatura As I understand, the recirculating ball steering reduces friction and wear in the gear and reduces play in the gear. Therefore, as you stated, more durable.

@DavidDatura

Жыл бұрын

@@JorgeRomero-jt2ne 👍

the quality of the entire video is so so good looking thats why am here

It is a beautiful retro thing.

Interior is cool but why hide away from the price ? Don't think the bhp was mentioned either ?

@steviefowler

Жыл бұрын

Starts from £58k - Trailmaster and Fieldmaster editions (most people will buy) costs just under £70k. Petrol 286PS/450NM, Diesel 249PS/550NM

@robsmall6466

Жыл бұрын

@@steviefowler That's the info that's needed 👍

2023 Land Rover Defender 110 Or The ineos Grenadier?.,Definitely The Grenadier!.Am Loving This Vehicle!

He he never driven a proper 4X4 before? Complaining about having to move the differential lever? Sure - make it electronic and watch it let you down when you need it most.

This is what the new Defender should have been!

@evoermine

Жыл бұрын

Yawn.

@GarySlegg

Жыл бұрын

@@evoermine thanks for your stunning contribution to the discussion 🙄🙄🙄

@evoermine

Жыл бұрын

@@GarySlegg if the Defender had been like the Ineos it wouldn’t have sold in the numbers needed for Land Rover. There’s a reason why JLR went down the route they did - volume sales.

@RichardJoashTan

Жыл бұрын

@@evoermine But I yawn you even more because I will buy a fully lladed Ineos Grenadier anyway.

@GarySlegg

Жыл бұрын

@@evoermine and in doing that they are slowly eroding the ethos of what a Land Rover is. The Defender shouldn't be a "volume sales" car, it should be a halo model that defines what the brand is so that people who want to be associated with that ethos, but don't want the compromises that buying such a vehicle entails, will continue to buy Freelanders, Evoques etc in their droves. By turning the Defender into an SUV Land Rover are undermining their own legacy.

No cassette player?

Built in France, and the company owner is resident in Monaco so he doesn't have to pay UK tax

How much is it?

The Monroe EV has stolen the Grenadier's breakfast, lunch and dinner for most purposes, except expeditions. Cheaper too.

How high is the front seat?

@stonemarten1400

Жыл бұрын

You do have to pull yourself up into the cabin and when I sat in the prototype, you’re jammed right up next to the door, similar to an old Defender.

@fasteddy07

Жыл бұрын

@@stonemarten1400 Ouch! I saw a video by 4Xoverland where Andrew St Pierre said the same thing. He was hoping the ergonomical issues would be fixed in the final version. As far as the height goes, it doesn't sound like I'll be able to lift myself from my wheelchair to the cabin. I did climb into Yukons/Tahoes/Escalades on occasions before, but I couldn't pull it off on the daily and it looks like the Grenadier is even higher than those by a couple of inches. Thank you for your reply!

Being 6ft tall, the small foot rest is something I care the most for a long drive. I hope that happens only for the right-hand ones. And the speedometer and tachometer at the center is bad for countries with so many speed cams.

@steviefowler

Жыл бұрын

That foot rest, we're told, is a RHD issue only. It's the exhaust routing!

@19sjw

Жыл бұрын

Well that was where the speedo etc was in a series 1 Land Rover,in the centre!!

In my off-roading experience, the greatest gain is in larger tire size, which appears limited in the Grenadier.

Lauded for its singularity of purpose by the tester, before mentioning flaws, like the steering, that have been specifically designed with that singularity in mind.

More competition is always a good thing :)

You'd think the steering would have a on/off road setting? To be honest that car is just begging to have Bhrabus to rip everything out and make a g wagon type car out of it.

Flaws are subjective, for me me I'm not impressed by the front end, I don't like the central dash display, and the tires aren't tall enough, I am of an age now that would appreciate the auto gearbox despite all my previous Range Rovers and Land Rovers being manual, the real sticking point for me is the size, it's just too big for our needs, now a 2 door, that sounds interesting!!!!

Actual buttons 🙌🏽

I am guessing he normally tests road cars not off road vehicles.

It's an ok car for a niche market.. but i'm sure there will be plenty of them driving around Chelsea ,Knightsbridge and Kensington..

Needs some improvement. I like it.

Why would you want pin sharp steering on a 4x4 where it could get dragged out of your hand on ruts.. Why add a heated wheel something else to go wrong. This is what the Defender should have been and the new Defender would have been way better as a Discovery replacment. Land Rover put the BMW 6 Diesel and Petrol in Defender for some markets and they are a great fit. Wins with the locking rear diffs as this was missing on the Defender and Discovery. I think judgement slightly clouded by soft roaders and SUV's this is a work tool like a Transit or a Tractor.

@steviefowler

Жыл бұрын

I don't want pin-sharp steering on a 4x4 either, but because these cars will be used on road predominantly, I'd have liked the car's steering to be a little less vague - it will put some people off. It's about what most buyers want and the vast majority of buyers, Ineos says, will be 'lifestylers' not avid off-roaders.

@alanbellwood3902

Жыл бұрын

@@steviefowler I would have said given the market the vehicle is aiming at Lifestylers would go for a Land Rover Toyota or Mercedes product. This is designed to be a working vehicle farmers, 4x4 and offroad users, utility companies. I signed up before the 1st prototype and the premise was initially to fill the gap left in the market by the Defender. Look to the South African and Australian Market the Land Cruiser is way more basic and harks back to the 1980's body style with the Troopy. I think the engine choices and driveline say it all here including recirculating ball steering.

@BryanPike

4 ай бұрын

He evidently wants an SUV for dusrty parking lots not a purpose built 4x4.

It looks like a modern UAZ 🤣 But it is a seriously cool offroader

Great review. 98% of these sold in America will never go off-road. They will purchased by affluent customers who will use it as a mall cruiser, errand runner and to take the kids to school.

Creature comforts? Complaining about no heated steering wheel?

Great review and it looks like an interesting vehicle. It is obvious this car is designed to be a serious off road tool rather than a Chelsea tractor. If you want the latter there are plenty of other choices but if you need a tough, go anywhere, analogue (repair as you go) car then this is probably it.

@stonemarten1400

Жыл бұрын

Agreed Paddy, but the cost is eye-watering, taking it out of the price range of many who might need a proper, hardcore off-roader.

@stevenrostron6671

Жыл бұрын

Ironically it will likely become a Chelsea tractor, Defenders and G-Wagons are plentiful on school-runs, this is possibly something 'cool' and different for them to show off with.

@paddycoleman1472

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenrostron6671 True, it only takes a couple of high profile footballers to buy them and it will become another Chelsea tractor.

@AndrewCleland1972

11 ай бұрын

Good luck repairing a modern engine as you go.

Form follows function, love it!

Today marks two full weeks awaiting a response from Ineos for a rejected vehicle, that was returned 3 weeks ago. Their own Customer Services department can’t get a response from “management” at HQ. No comms, no refund, hands down the worst automotive customer services experience of a lifetime!

@buckodonnghaile4309

8 ай бұрын

Why was the vehicle rejected?

If they need to test it in america i will love to test one for them, just ship me one. LOL.

Think what ineos have done is cool and far play to them. But it’s more expensive to the new defender for 1 and that’s expensive as well. 2 I would not be happy going off road compared to takeing an old defender or other second hand 4x4, due to the Value. Not detracting it is obviously very capable. 3 a lot of tech to go Wong but far play most car have to have these days. And it’s a shame they chose to build it outside the Uk. Personally I’m sticking with LR products due A I know how to look after them, B there are plenty of specialists which are far better than the main dealers and cheaper as well and tend to save money due they know there stuff and no messing about. And there is alot of third party products for any of the needs and wants. Out of my experience of owning several Range Rovers know I’m surprised how reliable they are, BUT that’s down to correct mantanace /servicing. I’ve found less reliability with so called reliable brands and products. Maybe I’ve been lucky/ unlikely in ways. Don’t get me Wong I don’t agree in the direction LR have gone, but equally Ineos seem to be making similar moves to what lr did int later production of the old defender.

Now let me think ? Should I buy a Tata made in Slovakia or a French vehicle with a dodgy German engine ? Yet all the tosspots making comments here think they are comparing British cars ! Both are as British as the German Mini and the Chinese MG's

I hope this 4x4 creates a legacy of its own and shows how foolish JLR were for naming the Freelander the New Defender and now building this themselves.

I have said it before. The reason Land Rover stopped making the old Defender, was because nobody was buying them. Just look at the success of the new Defender.

@racekar80

Жыл бұрын

Not popular in the USA, I used to see Defenders all the time they were very popular. Now I have seen ONE new model in the last few months.

those “air suspensions”!😐 reminding P18 Range Rover.. made by BMW!.. “Beep!.. air suspension fault!!!”😬😬😬 If this is project ops for the “classics.. then I would opt for spring suspensions.

Admirable, and doubtless superbly engineered but 20 years too late to market. Too heavy so limited payload Farmers buy pick ups, the county set buy RR or defender. It's too high spec for military or utility companies. Not sure where the same come from

Easy life? With that belly... You've been scooping up enough easy life!!!

Undoubtably well built, with some solid reliable engineering, but that design work will have cost a huge amount of investment, and return on investment always results in equivalent pricing at sale time. Just how much is this 'capable' off-roader, with poor road manners (hardly surprising given its off-roading bias) going to cost, and how many of the features seen here are going to end up being extra to that price? We've been seeing many journalists singing its praises, but I'm waiting for Ineos to declare their pricing before I'll believe it's worthwhile. That and waiting for Andrew St Pierre White of 4xoverland's final verdict.

This is a 2014 Defender right now 🤔

Wow….you’re being hyper critical, I’ve spent a morning in one of these driving both on and off road and it’s an amazing vehicle…..you really were looking to criticise rather than be objective

Reviewer like this is the reason why cars like this died, 😅

Ach nee lass mal, zuviel Schnickschnack, da kauf ich lieber einen gebrauchten Defender.

Pity Land Rover didn’t go this route instead of making ever complicated, unreliable vehicles that cost the earth to repair when they inevitably go wrong . Of course we are yet to know if this car is going to be reliable but I can have a good guess.

The Munro mk1 would be s much better buy and made in the UK.

70,000 American moneys gentlemen.

Disappointed about the steering, the auto only box, and the fact it wasn't built in Wales! But good to see a proper transfer box lever! and it looks very capable and rugged overall

I’m a rural estate manager, really like the Grenadier and we do need a new proper, hardcore off-roader on the market, but at £70k starting price and less than 20mpg, most real country folks will have to settle for a Hilux, Ford Ranger and suchlike. You’ll see most of these on the Cheshire and Surrey school run - what a wasted opportunity.

@jedrzejgorski5437

Жыл бұрын

a missed opportunity to add another mid size pickup to the market?

Landcruiser any day … You just can’t kill them …

Maybe the reviewer is not suited to genuine engineered 4x4 assessments in future. You gotta dip your hat to the design being built for purpose, and as the reviewer mentioned, these vehicles are built for a purpose not looks or bling. All the mechanical implementation are there for a reason.

It's safe to say ineos understood the assignment while Landover onthe other hand set up range rover for some politically correct acting skills on what a luxury SUV was supposed to be as opposed to a serious off-roader both on the looks and performance department.

It's so much a Land Rover copy I cannot figure why they are not suing under copyright law?

@BryanPike

4 ай бұрын

Better comparison is bargain budget G Wagon.... it is literally built in the former G Wagon production facility.

First review I've seen of the Grenadier!

@mrmawson2438

Жыл бұрын

Me too

I liked this concept initially but it seems a bit off the mark now. Utilitarian market has moved on to Ford/Japanese pick-ups. People spending this money want up-market SUVs, which the new Defender ultimately is. The old Defender represents something fundamentally British too (quirky, charming, uncompromising) - a strong USP this had as its supposed spiritual successor, right until the point they moved production to France. Personally can't see the appeal any more.

Price?!! If you really want to off road you buy a cheap old Land Rover. If you want to drive on road this misses the mark, rattles and has vague steering - just like the original Defender and is why most of us don’t drive them! I guess this is why Land Rover didn’t just continue building original Defenders……. But for a few customers in a niche market they’ll ignore the obvious flaws and tell us how brilliant it is and we should all buy one 😂

@steviefowler

Жыл бұрын

Starts from £58k - Trailmaster and Fieldmaster editions (most people will buy) costs just under £70k

@CarsofGlasgow

Жыл бұрын

I know it’s so expensive!

@CarsofGlasgow

Жыл бұрын

@@steviefowler wasn’t the last defender about £30k