5:37 “you don’t want just all buttons and switches because if you did, it would end up looking like an aircraft control panel.” That’s exactly what I want.

@zigforjustice

Ай бұрын

Same

@HenryBop

Ай бұрын

I want that so bad lol

@rmp5s

Ай бұрын

Nailed it. 100%. This is SICK!!!

@julianevans9548

Ай бұрын

The boss of Ineos, Jim Ratcliffe, campaigned for Brexit, said the Grenadier would be built in Britain... it's built in Austria, and (post-Brexit) he's moved to Monaco to avoid over a £4 billion in tax.

@BrandEver117

Ай бұрын

Yeah Idk what Doug is thinking lol

“Here’s why you don’t want that.” That, sir, is *precisely* why I want that.

@The_North0

Ай бұрын

I saw this truck on the street going to the grocery store. I thought it was the old defender with new paints at first but then the more I looks I realized it wasn’t a defender but something different

@Namedonelettere

Ай бұрын

Yes we want everyone’s reaction to coming inside to be “oooh, what does this button do” and then we swat their hand and say don’t touch that

@marklgarcia

Ай бұрын

Yes! Give me all the buttons! I don't want to fiddle with a touch screen to locate the diff lock in some stupid menu.

@ardijanuar2036

Ай бұрын

In an old school offroader yes it's cool and functional, not in an normal cars/suv. Just remember how cluttered the dash and center panel of early 2010's porsche cayenne/panamera was and probably it will twice busier with today car features.

@bedlambikes

Ай бұрын

@@ardijanuar2036 yep….and I love it! More buttons than a Vector W8 and just as ridiculous. But you know what? I DIG IT.

What a terrible time to be poor

@farcenter

11 күн бұрын

This.

@goldenageofdinosaurs7192

6 сағат бұрын

Word

The "toot" button feature with the bicycle logo is specifically there because Ineos sponsors a cycling team :-) it's the little things that make the package great...

@matthiaskettner6686

27 күн бұрын

Yet this feature would be great for every vehicle. Cars are getting too intimidating today.

@AlvinBurt1

27 күн бұрын

Yet it looks hideous

@FRL2000

20 күн бұрын

My 2016 VW has a secondary toot horn, alas it's only for the alarm notification.

@florianwalter704

18 күн бұрын

You mean, because the AMG F1 team is as slow as a bicycle?

Doug showing the most stylish center console in "off road" suv segment saying "this is why you don't want all switches" is very funny to me

@elrey8876

Ай бұрын

*ALSO* complaining about having to climb up into the back seats... that's a feature not a bug. They expect you to have rock sliders fitted that act as a step.

@DSG-farts-connoisseur

Ай бұрын

right? that array of buttons look cool af and fits the car perfectly

@clubtercelquebec

Ай бұрын

Exactly what I was going to talk about... Doug : looks like a jet aircraft cockpit .... Yeah... why are you trying to say it like it's a bad thing? I just want one right now! Lol

@TheSlowDude

Ай бұрын

AMG Hammer had a similar amount of Buttons, back then called spaceship interior 😂 I love it

@1983Corolla

Ай бұрын

He's so inconsistent on small aspects. He says in one review a car needs more buttons and too much is integrated in the screen, then here an off-road truck intentionally uses more buttons so you don't have to dig through a screen mid-trail and suddenly he's saying "This is why you don't want all of these" like huh? I've watched Doug for years and he flipflops constantly on if he likes certain things on a dime. Like the Bronco has almost this many buttons but because this is setup in an intentional way style wise it's CRAZY and TOO MUCH, I just don't get it.

Actually love how the interior looks really like an old school airplane cockpit

@HoolaaBaaloo

Ай бұрын

In fact it looks like an Airbus upper panel

@bedlambikes

Ай бұрын

Nicest interior in production today. Seriously. Screens are so obnoxious.

@julianevans9548

Ай бұрын

The boss of Ineos, Jim Ratcliffe, campaigned for Brexit, said the Grenadier would be built in Britain... it's built in Austria, and (post-Brexit) he's moved to Monaco to avoid over a £4 billion in tax.

@plugsocket9432

Ай бұрын

So What? He can do whatever he likes. The UK never got a proper Brexit due to Pro-EU luvvies. The EU isn't doing well especially in the likes of Germany at the moment. Finally, the global trade for the EU is in decline at 13%. Brexit was meant for the UK to do something different instead of going down with the sinking EU. @@julianevans9548

@user-pn1fe6sg2w

Ай бұрын

@@julianevans9548 sounds about right.

Glad to see there’s guys out there with enough money and ambition to do something like this. From the manual handbrake to the exterior design and the switches. It seems like what a lot of us want. I know it’s a luxury car and niche, but seriously if they could get this in the 50-60k area they’d sell like crazy I think

@Tisrok

26 күн бұрын

Give it a few years and they'll be at that price. 70k ish MSRP right now. My Dad works at a dealership that sells them, I got a free Ineos T-Shirt from the man himself. These things are a sweet ride. Performs like a 120k Defender, without the horrible maintenance costs (Land Rover being part of Jaguar can explain their price tags+maintenance)

@NormanStansfield1

26 күн бұрын

@@TisrokIs that 70K pounds or US dollars? Doug was saying about $80 K US which is not cheap but a lot of crappy American made pick up trucks are $80K. Ford's stuff is pretty good but GM and Dodge makes pretty bad pickups. Still, pickup trucks for $80k is crazy. Many have turbos too which is another potential problem. I am amazed that this Grenadier can get everything done with a non turbo straight 6 BMW which is a rock solid powerplant.

@skyster3292

14 күн бұрын

@@NormanStansfield1 the grenadier uses the BMW B58 engine which is a turbo charged 6 cil engine. A good one to be fair.

@StowellLogic

9 күн бұрын

My 23 pickup was 68. When my lease is up I might look at something like this!

This is not an SUV Toy, this thing is capable! And the interior with all its buttons is EXACTLY what I would prefer! Plus a BMW engine … to put it short: I want one!

The Grenadier actually started when Ratcliffe got denied by Land Rover for his old Defender to be serviced as they were discontinuing the Defender. Ratcliffe then combed through all the dcouments he could on the Defender and discovered that Land Rover had actually failed to patent the classic Defender shape and style. So Ratcliffe stole it, won the legal case and thus the Ineos Grenadier was born. Dude is a legend.

@John-du2mq

Ай бұрын

Very Lamborghini esque story. I would rather buy this than a land rover.

@lukeroberts8257

Ай бұрын

100%@@John-du2mq

@roddydykes7053

Ай бұрын

This guy is obviously a legend for planning its inception while at the pub.

@hugolafhugolaf

Ай бұрын

Why would Land Rover deny anyone service on the basis that the car is discontinued?

@sadmanh0

29 күн бұрын

@@hugolafhugolaf it costs money to keep their mechanics and technicians trained with all the documentation, spare parts and tools needed to service older cars. Some companies still do this regardless, like the Porsche commercial, but not JLR apparently.

Doug: "Giant array of buttons and switches 👎" Everyone else: Clean, simple, and good looking design 👍

@floofy117

Ай бұрын

exactly, and specifically that everything can be actuated easily while wearing gloves

@fraserwright9482

Ай бұрын

Overhead switches hit your head if you are off-roading. In a plane you wear a harness.

@floofy117

Ай бұрын

@@fraserwright9482 that really isn't an argument. Most people aren't tall enough to hit the Grenadier's headliner while sitting, and people are strapped down with seatbelts.

@CowboyJuice

Ай бұрын

@@floofy117 not nearly as often when offroading. regardless, its idiotic

@purwantiallan5089

Ай бұрын

​@@floofy117the same case also ever happening to one of SEAT Cordoba owners.

LOVE IT - love the buttons, the build quality, the ruggedness, what a great SUV!

@tylerlover

28 күн бұрын

It's lovley but unrefined, I sat in one. Very cool but not worth the price, it feels cheaper. An example of it not being refined is that none of the infotainment works unless the key is in, which is not the norm

Watched this video yesterday. Driving down a single track road for work today and meet a Grenadier headed the other direction. Couldn't believe I immediately saw one in the wild, much less on a narrow road in a Colorado forest. I want one

@davidgreenwood6029

29 күн бұрын

Weird. I also live in colorado and just watched a video about synchronicity. What are the chances?

In the era of boring cars with minimalistic non practical interiors, this one clearly is a breath of fresh air. The interior is heavily inspired from an aircraft cockpit, and I gotta admit this is cool !

@Herkulez1981

Ай бұрын

God i hate these simplistic interiors like teslas, they are just cold, souless and boring

@ankitranjanghosh3615

Ай бұрын

@@Herkulez1981 imagine your Tesla is in an accident, you lost that one big screen that literally controls everything in your car Now you cant even change gears in your Tesla or put it in reverse 🤡 Advanced Technology ❌ Cost cutting ✅

@mazatlan79P

Ай бұрын

@@ankitranjanghosh3615 That's my thinking as far as warning lights cluster - in 15-20 years there will be no way of fixing infotainment screen- Grenadier will happily display all needed data using LED lamps.

@tedarcher9120

Ай бұрын

@@ankitranjanghosh3615 that's why you have buttons to change gears in teslas

@ankitranjanghosh3615

Ай бұрын

@@mazatlan79P yes that specific part with all warning lights at one place was very clever and unique!

5:36 An interior looking like a fighter jet cockpit is exactly what we want, Doug.

@krinos1

Ай бұрын

A fighter jet has a glass bubble. So no overhead buttons 🤓👆

@halfsourlizard9319

Ай бұрын

Um, modern cockpits are almost entirely MFDs -- screens.

@surrealengineering7884

Ай бұрын

Exactly! Also i want the mini flippy switches they use in jets. Those that go dink dink dink, when you flip them!

@unloveableandre

Ай бұрын

Like, everybody!

@trentinocerra3346

Ай бұрын

@@krinos1 lol button and switches are so perfect for this car regardless of bubble cockpit jet fighter stigmatized comment you had lol no hate I’m sure you were joking around. But yeah this car is surely not a jet fighter it’s a jet bomber with a bmw b58 platform. And I know that motor has more then enough aftermarket support. Soooo tbh this car is so cool for its place in the market in my opinion. Also had no idea of it until doug dropped this

This thing is awesome, ive been wanting a quieter momentary horn for YEARS. A "Toot" button is absolutely perfect. I need one.

@staffy73

24 күн бұрын

A “toot” button is a great idea and 8 year old me thinks “toot” is synonymous with “fart” which is also great and totally hilarious 🤣

The button panels in this car are absolute perfection. They way they're grouped, spaced, labeled, positioned, everything. It's beautiful.

"looks like an aircraft control panel" you say that like it's a bad thing.

@spideypete9749

Ай бұрын

Exactly, there's a reason aircrafts don't have screens everywhere

@LindsayM1

Ай бұрын

@spideypete9749 They actually do now, although still lots of switches and buttons as well

Doug has never dropped the ball so hard in any video I’ve ever seen of his complaining about the consoles and switch gear. That set up is outstanding !

@danielcrouch6589

Ай бұрын

He's getting fat, too.

@kennorcott7074

Ай бұрын

I agree on the bmw shifter though, I’ve sat in one of these grenadier’s and the bmw shifter is just odd. I understand why they did it though

@danielpope6498

Ай бұрын

Right? It looks like an aircraft cockpit because they specifically wanted it to look like one, not because its a problem related to physical switches. Its a cool, very deliberate, design choice

@galactictomato1434

Ай бұрын

Doug's losing his touch.

@purwantiallan5089

Ай бұрын

​@@galactictomato1434why Demuro lost his touch btw?

Proper hand brake and physical buttons, yes, that is exactly what I want!

I specced out and ordered one of these as soon as they were allowing it. Just had to wait for the dealer network to be built here in the U.S. I should be picking up my custom ordered Ineos in about a month. Great looking and driving SUV.

No Doug, this is exactly why you want all buttons and switches. Everything is laid out right in front of you for easy access and, lets be honest, it looks so damn cool

@ImARealHumanPerson

Ай бұрын

"Laid out right in front of you" On the ceiling 😅

@ImARealHumanPerson

Ай бұрын

A screen is literally right in front of you. In all modern cars lmao.

@LAndrewsChannel

Ай бұрын

@@ImARealHumanPerson Yes, but not the functionality. You don't have to enter a sub menu to activate downhill assist, diff locks or some other "less used" functionality like other cars might do.

@thegamingraccoon2002

Ай бұрын

@@ImARealHumanPerson did you notice which buttons were placed on the ceiling though? They were all buttons for stuff that you probably aren't gonna use that often. Thus giving more room for more frequently used switches in front of you. Like I said, it's all laid out for easy access

Doug you've never missed the point of something more than in this video. We. Want. That.

@purwantiallan5089

Ай бұрын

The 2024 INEOS Grenadier is as expensive as Lexus IS F imo.

@jgaines4

27 күн бұрын

Seriously, how out of touch is he here? Why would we want cost-cutting crap like screens when we could have real buttons and knobs?

Great vehicle!! Doug does not undestand what most of us want/need... I love the interior! 😍😍😍

A utilitarian vehicle that answers all our questions and is designed the way we want it, with the traditional functions we expect. I LOVE THIS THING.

So basically an old Defender that is livable. Nice.

@petayV8

Ай бұрын

And double the price....

@gioc610

Ай бұрын

@@petayV8 Yeah but less than new defenders (and way better) and half the price of G Wagon

@technom3598

Ай бұрын

Double the price of a defender? Uhh... Have you seen how mucha defender sells for? ​@@petayV8

@todorkatsarski7487

Ай бұрын

It's actually what Land Rover themselves should have built. I'm very impressed by the car. I don't plan to buy a vehicle like this, but if I were, the Ineos would be in my top 3 list.

@njg5942

Ай бұрын

I had a Defender 110 TDI for 12 years (until 2007) doing research in Kenya and Tanzania. Not expensive (except for frequent bush replacement), always got me home, def livable! kzread.info/dash/bejne/p5lr2a9pgaabfKg.html

Here‘s what I never thought I would say about an SUV: I like it. I like the looks, I like the switches inside (and completely disagree with Doug in that way). Little things like the bicycle horn show the nice attitude of the creators towards others. Superb vehicle and very outstanding in today‘s all-the-same cars!

@vicenarybuffalo2296

Ай бұрын

I’m a huge fan of these already. The B58 has proven reliability and performance and I think Ineos’ choice will pay in huge dividends later. I love the “aircraft cockpit” feel to the buttons. If these were in my price range I would buy one tomorrow. Hopefully will be able to pick one up in a few years on the used market

This is amazing inside and out, with the sole exception being lack of an actual, analog gauge cluster. The center gauge screen is such a let down and huge missed opportunity for a beautifully designed instrument cluster to match the awesome switch gear

@TheKaledonianz

28 күн бұрын

Dead right. I own a Fieldmaster, and the opportunity for some analogue dials (maybe reminiscent of a WW11 fighter cockpit?) is indeed a lost opportunity. The centre sceen, by the way, is a nightmare for reflection and unreadible in bright sunshine.

Seems like Ineos knows their customer base well. The physical aircraft inspired switch panels, the record a trail feature, the dual horn, the auxiliary switches, etc are all nice quality of life upgrades that major automakers often overlook for a vehicle aimed at this market.

The bicycle symbol on the "toot" button is also a reference to the fact that theres a world tour cycling team sponsored by Ineos, called " Ineos Grenadiers"

@gerageragerax

Ай бұрын

this.

@tobiassj7960

Ай бұрын

I was confused when I saw the title, had me like "aren't they a pro cycling team?" hahah

@sandiegocyclingnutz

Ай бұрын

You beat me to it lol

@benfinesilver2250

Ай бұрын

Yep, the conceived in the Grenadiers pub blurb is rubbish

@ejacosta174

Ай бұрын

You beat me to the Ineos Grenadier explanation. It is odd, however, that a company that makes a retro SUV also sponsors a pro cycling team. BTW, I absolutely love all the switches. Brilliant concept!

Doug for the love of god stop telling me I don't want buttons. That interior looks awesome and very practical. That is exactly what I want. No soulless screens for me please. Edit: Somehow missed the word "don't"

@BryanPike

Ай бұрын

Ever try to use a touch screen with gloves on? He does not strike me as the familiar with hard labor type.

@boomhaueroo8703

Ай бұрын

​@BryanPike smooth hands... no doubt about it. Now he's gone full blown "outta touch millionaire." 😢

@RubyRoks

Ай бұрын

@@boomhaueroo8703 Doug's the type of guy who buys a Carrera GT and a Countach and then sells 2 of his SUVs to "simply his life".

@prestonm.64

Ай бұрын

This comment makes no sense

@boomhaueroo8703

Ай бұрын

@@RubyRoks lol

I audibly gasped and wowed at the instrument panel IN A GOOD WAY that's awesome I want it.

I cannot get over how good these trucks look. I hope Ineos sticks around for a long time.

Crazy that this $80,000 SUV has less borrowed parts than new Maserati's do.

@iparty98

Ай бұрын

It has a B58 and a ZF 8 speed...

@RECE4ER

Ай бұрын

@@iparty98 That's engine and transmission, which are commonly shared amongst many different manufacturers like the new Supra that uses the same config. I'm talking switches, door handles, mirrors, etc. There's a lot of bespoke components to this $80,000 SUV, whereas a new Maserati with cheap Chrysler parts costs way more than that.

@iparty98

Ай бұрын

@@RECE4ER Very true, cheers🍻

@RECE4ER

Ай бұрын

@@iparty98 To you as well 🍻

@kylegriffiths5990

Ай бұрын

Most Land Rovers had borrowed parts from BMW/Ford. All of the cars under the VW, Stellantis, GM, Ford, Toyota groups also all share parts. The point being nearly every car on the road has some sort of parts sharing. It can be viewed in 2 ways. The first way if negatively being that its not bespoke or high quality. The second way is positive and that sharing parts means higher availability, easier to repair and cheaper to maintain.

5:29 -- Yes, I just want buttons. And looking at all the buttons made me so happy. It could be the pilot in me though. 🛩

@ElderStatesman-pi3lc

Ай бұрын

You HAVE to give the rest of us mortals some cool Pilot stuff to say as we’re fiddling with the buttons. One of these days my wife is going to wake up hearing “Danger Zone” being played loudly in the garage in the middle of the night while I’m randomly flipping switches in the Grenadier, wearing my kids gaming headset and saying gibberish like “niner niner what’s your vector coming in on final approach,” so you have to help us out on the lingo. I should also probably grow a mustache.

I’ve owned the previous model G-Wagon and I owned two separate Jeep TJ’s (predecessor to the JK). To your point about nostalgia, this thing really appeals to me. Something about that breadbox look is just awesome!

Yes, I LOVE all the buttons and switches. I absolutely love everything about this car.

I saw one on the road, and a bunch on a car hauler. Almost seems like they came out of nowhere. They look so sick, and as a pilot, I absolutely love the switches

@volvo09

Ай бұрын

The interior buttons and switches look awesome! Very airplane inspired.

@Justsomegamergamingandstuff

Ай бұрын

@@volvo09 it is so cool, and I almost want one just for the switches 😂

@julianevans9548

Ай бұрын

The boss of Ineos, Jim Ratcliffe, campaigned for Brexit, said the Grenadier would be built in Britain... it's built in Austria, and (post-Brexit) he's moved to Monaco to avoid over a £4 billion in tax.

@Justsomegamergamingandstuff

Ай бұрын

@@julianevans9548 👍

@gfdia35

Ай бұрын

​@@julianevans9548can't tell if you're bitching about this or praising this ,, just sounds like a good business decision, one allows you to build the vehicle at all the other doesn't

That “Toot” button is possibly the most British feature I have ever seen.

@TheEulerID

Ай бұрын

Rolls Royces and other brands used by the well heeled country set would have two horns with different levels of tonal insistence, but they used to be termed "town" and "country".

@BryanPike

Ай бұрын

Right?

@snakerb

Ай бұрын

It’s to do with the Ineos Grenadier cycling team.

@charleetuner

Ай бұрын

Town and Country horn; only in Britain lol

@basshead.

Ай бұрын

I've seen a "Telly" button.

This is the best iteration of the Ineos I have seen online and they are by far better looking and impressive in person than on video. This is the first Ive seen in this color. Love it! Doug....you are still a big effing dork but I love your content. Keep 'em coming!

This is the coolest current offering from anyone. Solid axles. Straight six. Pest part is all of those real switches and dials in panels held down with accessible Allen head screws. This is so refreshing. Would be even better if it didn’t have the digital display at all.

This is one of the best interiors I have seen in the car. How can you not get excited by it.

@kendall959

21 күн бұрын

Because it has a iPad dash. Not reliable to have computers control a truck. Better to refurbish a old land rover. Or gut one of these and put in a Carburetor V8 with analog gauges.

@Rumple999

10 күн бұрын

@@kendall959 Lol computers control every vehicle nowadays, doesn't mean it's not reliable

@Rumple999

10 күн бұрын

@@kendall959 But I agree on the ipad. I prefer analog gauges as well.

@MaticTheProto

5 күн бұрын

it sucks lol

It appears most people disagree with Doug about the buttons...I certainly do.

SOOOOO nice to see a NEW car have CHARACTER and not some bland minimalist simple look. HUGE standing ovation for this company creating a new gas powered rugged military style machine. The soul of this car kinda reminds me of a hummer from the 2000’s. Not a whole lot of tech. It was made to be rough housed and I love that!

@BryanPike

11 күн бұрын

Recirculating ball steering just like original military humvees.

Oh how I have waited for this review! Thank you Doug! 😀

5:20 Doug, i hate to break it to you, but this is the objectively correct way of doing things. As close to a button for every function as possible, all large enough to be pressed by those with dexterity issues and with clear labeling.

@ondrej1112

Ай бұрын

Also easy to operate with gloves on or with dirty hands

@MrDuncl

Ай бұрын

@@ondrej1112 I wonder if you can hose down the interior. The original 1970 Range Rover was designed so you could 🙂

@bizzzzzzle

Ай бұрын

The last thought is people with “dexterity issues”

@roddydykes7053

Ай бұрын

@@bizzzzzzleyeah but it’s 2024 so a company could easily say it was

@Real_MisterSir

29 күн бұрын

Also the fact that all vehicle-related features are in fixed positions, easy to reach, and require no more than one step to activate/deactivate. They're grouped conveniently so when you know where a cluster of features are, you can easily predict which other features are in each cluster without having to search the whole cabin (or worse, dig through countless menus in a screen). This is screen+button layout done right. Screen should be saved for screen-benefitting features like phone integration, maps, reading vehicle data, etc. Stuff that would be too complicated to present with analogue means. I'd probably provide a beefier cpu/drive for the screen electronics so it doesn't feel like a bad quality 2013 nav system, but hey at least you could still use 95% of the vehicle without ever having to bother with the screen in the first place.

I see a lot of the comments are about the buttons. I personally like them. Doug complains about them and then the first ones he shows are all the basic A/C buttons right there easy to use. The ones on the ceiling are the less used ones, so they are out of the way but not forgotten, because lets face it, if they were buried under some menu on a touch screen they would be totally forgotten and then never used at all. And this vehicle seemed to do a great job and clearly identifying all of them.

@iamgermane

Ай бұрын

Plastic transmission cover underneath with no skid plate for the transmission. One mechanic said the angled drive shafts might cause long-term issues...

I actually really like this. I've been looking at old defender 110's but reliability is a factor. THIS I could drive.

I saw one of these in my city today....thought it was a restored 80s land rover as I passed by...but realized it wasn't. Cool rig.

Bike horn for polite honking. This is what we've been asking for for years.

@iamgermane

Ай бұрын

Plastic transmission cover underneath with no skid plate for the transmission. One mechanic said the angled drive shafts might cause long-term issues...

@HFV_Junkyardin

Ай бұрын

Renault used to have a “city horn” and a “country horn.” in some of their cars. IIRC you’d pull the stalk for the city, and push for country.

@monkeyman122009

Ай бұрын

​@HFV_Junkyardin mercedes had that too. I think there was a switch on the dash for it

@_BangDroid_

Ай бұрын

Fit a semi or train horn to your car, use the normal horn for friendly _toots_ and the deafening one for jerk drivers.

@Kacv-dc1tx

Ай бұрын

What about those cool rims.

This is dope. That interior was really cool. I love how it is airplane cockpit themed. Wish more guys like the creator of this car would get together and bring back the old school blazers

@roddydykes7053

Ай бұрын

And old-school 90s Japanese tuners like MR2 and RX7

@roberdtmabisi6587

Ай бұрын

Would like to see another guy bring back humvee for civilian market not this secretive humvee series

Doug: There are too many buttons; it looks like a fighter and they tried too hard to make it look rugged. Me: This is the coolest truck I've ever seen. I want one now.

Saw one of these in Rutherford NJ yesterday and didnt know what I was seeing... I LOVE IT... shouldve known DOUG already reviewed it.

Too many buttons? Not enough buttons! That center console is amazing, I love it.

The full origin story is great, Jim Ratcliffe (a billionaire) tried to buy the discontinued tooling parts/machines from JLR so he could continue to work on his Land Rover and they said no, so he said "screw it" and started a car company himself.

@BryanPike

Ай бұрын

And had Magna Steyr,who built the G Wagon, start on a whole new fresh slate with best of breed components.

@puertousbmonkey

Ай бұрын

just a copy

@AlessandroCorazzaCA

Ай бұрын

So many automakers started when the founder had a FU moment against someone else. Ferruccio Lamborghini for example, or William Durant at Chevrolet.

@gasgasman230

Ай бұрын

He backed the UK's Brexit plan, then moved production to France.

@Hiltok

Ай бұрын

@@gasgasman230Yep, he found out fast about manufacturing and being inside or outside the EU.

This truck is AWESOME!! New school meets old school perfectly!! I Love the aiviator controls!

I love the switches design and layout

I work for a hotel and we had a dealer from LA come through who stays with us now and again and he brought a Grenadier in with him and I had a chance to drive it. Frankly I was impressed with its look and its interior. The switch panels in the interior were really fun and felt different than other Rovers we will normally see. Fun review Doug, thanks for the deep dive.

@Catcrumbs

Ай бұрын

Where do you normally see Rovers? I'm astonished to think that any number of them have been kept to the current day.

@biodrummindieseler

Ай бұрын

What kind of dealer? 🤨

@Real_MisterSir

29 күн бұрын

@@biodrummindieseler Drug dealer, probably

That's an absolute gorgeous button panel! Feels like someone is operating an airplane.

Saw one of these in a parking lot in Dallas - had to do a walk around to figure out that it wasn't a Defender. Very cool.

As an avid cyclist, to me the “toot” button is clever AF. Great nod to the Ineos cycling team. Love this thing.

This is actually worth the money , you’re not getting plastic and screens and that’s why I love it. Proper suspension and diff locks , fantastic engjne and design

@caidee

Ай бұрын

Or get the new land cruiser, this thing doesn't even have a proper power steering and it's probably unreliable

@LAndrewsChannel

Ай бұрын

@@caidee It has a B58 BMW engine mated to a ZF transmission. Those are in vehicles for almost 10 years. I really doubt that the reliability would be a concern here.

@caidee

Ай бұрын

@@LAndrewsChannel Yeah but take other factors in consideration, maybe they altered the engine with aftermarket parts etc..also I would still take the new Land Cruiser or lexus GX over this any day

@LAndrewsChannel

Ай бұрын

@@caidee They are still using BMW's shifter, I really doubt they modified the engine more than tuning it for offroading so, again, reliability is not a question for their setup. As for LC and GX, those are big SUVs, not proper offroaders unlike this car. Choosing them over this one means that you don't need a proper offroader rather than those being better vehicles.

We bought pre-production in 2021, ordered last June. Delivered in December. It gets a lot of looks and a lot of questions. It did take some getting used to, but it’s fantastic! 2600+ miles, so far.

@tonybooth4

Ай бұрын

Is the steering as bad as reviewed.

@ElderStatesman-pi3lc

Ай бұрын

@@tonybooth4I took delivery a few weeks ago. Steering is fine, road feel is fine, off-road is a religious experience. It’s not a SUV - it’s a full time 4x4 truck. So no, it doesn’t have independent suspension and rack and pinion steering - it’s solid axle with recirculating ball steering. It doesn’t “wander,” but no, it doesn’t recenter after a hard turn. You just turn it back. People use terms like “it means business,” or “unflappable.” It’s not sloppy, but it serves a specific purpose. One thing I would add is it doesn’t feel compromised on the road - some of these feel like you’re riding on the edge of sanity. This is way more composed on road.

@castrojosua

29 күн бұрын

That is amazing, I am going to wait another year or so before buying one. It would definitely compliment my scat pack in looks.

@tonybooth4

25 күн бұрын

@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc OK it was just a common theme that the lack of rack and pinnion steering box was a problem however if you are happy that's all good, there is a hard core off road guy in Australia who reviewed it who is very popular you may want to look him up

Switch panel is awesome. Brilliant overall design.

I would buy this puppy in British Racing Green and feel like a Royalty Old Money Duke. And I loved all the buttons and switches.

13:39 Doug: The kind of guy to film a car video 65 feet below sea level.

@johnteal2016

Ай бұрын

it's being filmed in the subterranean cars and bids bunker, buried 7 stories below the San Diego harbor

@SethBergile

28 күн бұрын

@@johnteal2016 actually it’s 1819 Main St. 😆

I prefer that airliner switch board over the touch screen any day. It looks fantastic.

I love those buttons. Actually looks really simple.

I drove a 1974 International Scout from '88-'93 - been kicking myself for selling it ever since. Ineos has me dreaming of those days again, I need this.

Doug: you don't want buttons you end up with basically an aircraft jet control center in here. Me: I want an aircraft jack control center in my car now... 🤣

That tailgate door pocket would be an ideal place to keep a first aid kit. The buttons everywhere are awesome and they feel great to use. The diesel B57 engine goes hard as well.

@_BangDroid_

Ай бұрын

Warning triangles aren't a bad idea, especially in low visibility if you break down. You could even store one there too.

I saw one of these last weekend on figueroa mtn, near Los Osos, CA and was intriqued by it.

I love the buttons /dials / switches , they are big and well laid out and clearly labelled

Naming a car after a Pub just screams " 3 lads in a shed energy "

That's a raised air intake not a snorkel. for the people who would argue that it's the same, a snorkel is sealed airtight whereas a raised air intake is not sealed and often consists of multiple pieces which makes it easy for water to ingress at various points along the intake. the sole purpose of the raised air intake on the Grenadier is for dirt/dusty road/trail usage where the intake get's clean air above the dust left behind by other vehicles

@jamessveinsson6006

Ай бұрын

It’s also for the engine to breathe and Dusty trails with vehicles in front of you stirring up Dusty Trail

@kevinbarry71

Ай бұрын

The sole purpose is to boost the undersized self-esteem quotient of the people who bought one. They do nothing for performance, in fact they hinder it. Marketing nonsense

@greatPretender79

Ай бұрын

If water could get in, then why couldn't dust?

@kevinbarry71

Ай бұрын

@@greatPretender79 precisely. It's just an overpriced option to make small people feel important

@floofy117

Ай бұрын

@@kevinbarry71 it's not to boost performance, it's just to allow the vehicle a chance to get relative cleaner air on a dusty trail when driving behind other vehicles. It's expensive for sure and most likely not necessary for most people, but for the people that spend a lot of time in remote dusty roads a raised air intake helps the vehicle to breathe better and prevents the air filters from getting clogged up so quickly as they would with a stock intake in those conditions. That's all. As you said it's an option so the vehicle as standard doesn't have it equipped so you don't need to complain about it if you don't like it. There will be people who equip it just for the esthetics of it and that's their own choice and their own money it doesn't affect you

Solid state buttons. No lag No glare No multi layer menu to navigate Intuitive Can operate with touch No dirty glass Etc. Only stops working when physically worn and can be easily opened and repaired with normal tools (not dealer available only computers, proprietary plugs and dealer reset fees etc).

The BMW shifter looks so strange in such a vehicle

Easily one of the best contemporary car interiors. Love the industrial-looking buttons and switches. And that engine is amazing.

I can't believe Doug *doesn't* like the dashboard/ceiling buttons. This car looks so cool and practical on the inside and I'd take these physical controls *any day* over having all of it awkwardly shoved into the screen.

@jordanplays-transitandgame1690

Ай бұрын

Screens are better, you old people are weird

@Kacpa2

Ай бұрын

​​@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 No, they arent you fool. Its distracting and unintuitive to have to use it for basic media and climate controls. You still can have a touch screen just like it has, while having all important controls made physical. Tesla's approach is just braindead and just like cancerous practices of Apple spread like wildfire among laptop and smartphone brands, same thing happens woth brands mimicking the worst of what Tesla is doing.

@jaypioh

Ай бұрын

@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 sure, screens are better if you suck on fluoride on a daily basis and have never understood aesthetic beauty. I'm 25 so you must be like 14 if you think only 'old' people prefer better interior design.

@daldrete01

Ай бұрын

​@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 Dude, no

@RubyRoks

Ай бұрын

@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 I'm 27. Give me the large and clearly labeled buttons.

When I saw one of these in the wild here in Colorado Springs, I genuinely thought someone customized an old defender! Then I saw Grenadier, super cool

I love it!! Love the button, love the styling, i want one!

The entire premise of the Grenadier is an extremely off-road capable utility vehicle that is perfectly livable in the on-road environment. If you take this thing for a nice long adventure that includes a decent amount of travel off of the paved world, that’s when the intention of the Grenadier becomes quite obvious and you quickly come to appreciate why the steering is designed that way. To be able to drive off the lot in a Trialmaster optioned out in factory trim and immediately be capable of what this thing can carry you safely, capably, and comfortably through, it’s an amazing first iteration that nearly nails every design intention spot on. For the first time being introduced to market as a new car brand with a first offering, Ineos has done an absolutely amazing job. 👍🏻😎👍🏻

@australia-ukraine

29 күн бұрын

Good try for marketing promo but reality is like this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/g6d_qtVrl5C-mdo.htmlsi=DrenisFxJAlS5Qv0 To maintain clarity and objectivity, I've refrained from sharing my personal experiences, which are decidedly not in favour of the Grenadier.

@Far2hip

28 күн бұрын

@@australia-ukraine , OK, I’ll bite. First of all you did present your personal input assuming I am doing some sort of marketing promo which is utterly incorrect. I only expressed that as a first iteration of the intention of an entirely new model introduced in this modern automotive marketplace as a first attempt as an entirely new auto manufacturer on a global scale is pretty damn impressive. Never did I even imply that there was no room or reason to express disappointment in any of the outcomes relevant to certain aspects of the product or the process of after sale support. In the video you use as the example of what appears to be the substitute for your impressions of dissatisfaction with the Grenadier, the final conclusion is that the owner still enjoys and appreciates the vehicle for what it’s intended to encapsulate as its design intention. In any new automobile model introduction there are always glitches to be expected to redesign in order to correct the inevitable design flaws that will emerge as the ever expanding use case scenarios unfold. In this instance of there additionally being an entire global support network created, there will additionally be the issues that surround the quite bold predictions of expedited support should there be any problems experienced by those that purchased the Grenadier in this first iteration and especially using it in its assumed most extreme circumstances. I never stated these issues wouldn’t have occurred or even assumed so. To me this has always been quite obvious until the company finds which avenues as the most appropriate and reliable. I tend to believe Ineos as a company that has put forth a substantial effort to create this effort with a $billion+ investment is taking quite seriously in order to narrow the opportunity for the naysayers to remark on in an attempt to take away from the perception of the Grenadiers viability in delivering the performance for which it’s intended. That’s the nature of cutting down on the actual vehicle itself without appreciating the effort behind its creation and manufacturing execution to begin with. I have no connection with Ineos outside of simply being impressed with the sort of commitment and effort involved in bringing such an idea to market with an actual vehicle that so closely matches what it was intended to achieve. But did I ever believe that a brand new auto manufacturer be able to land a vehicle on the ground into the global marketplace designed as a seriously utilitarian off-road intention that would also be acceptably compliant on-road with an entirely new distribution and support network and NOT experience any issues in both component reliability and support network issues overall?? Seriously?? Of course not. That would be foolishly unrealistic. I certainly don’t discount your opinions because what you are alluding to are things that to me were inevitable given the grand nature of the undertaking. But am I impressed by what Ineos has been able to achieve at this point given those same circumstances? Absolutely. Without question. 👍🏻😎👍🏻

Finally! Not another boring "limited edition" Porsche 911 or McLaren.

@jacobyo99

Ай бұрын

I’m sick of both of these

@sheerluckholmes5468

Ай бұрын

"limited edition" is the car you build when you need to get rid of all the old left over bits and pieces from earlier "limited edition" runs.

@TonyStark-wr7ob

Ай бұрын

@@jacobyo99 ikr. I like the cars but they are basically same as the base with some extra goodies on it. lol the only different ones are the rally/offroad versions which are truly limited. The rest are just minor changes.

Test driven a few new ones of these , second hand prices are remain g solid which is encouraging, my defender 110 is still solid after almost 30 years under me and the military .

Love absolutely everything about this beast

Every thing about this vehicle is genius. A true SUV with a very good powertrain, outstanding capabilities, and logical interior. I prefer big large buttons with a clear indication of what they do instead of messing with a screen filed with tiles and menus.

@batterybuilding

Ай бұрын

Over complicated engine and drivetrain from a company with questionable reliability. I’ll stick with a Land Cruiser. This thing exists to stoke rich people’s egos

@maximeparent3004

Ай бұрын

@@batterybuilding the B58 and ZF-8 are far from being over complicated. They are world class, proven mechanical components. It also has old school solid axles. This vehicle is far less complicated than anything else it compares to right now. I trust it more than the latest Land Cruiser.

@HipsterEstonian

Ай бұрын

@@batterybuilding The B58 and the new ZF boxes are ultra reliable. They are one of the main reasons why BMW is once again at the top of reliability rankings. It is probably the most reliable engine currently produced.

@batterybuilding

Ай бұрын

@@maximeparent3004 theres much more to an engine than mechanicals. Their weak link is the german electricals

@batterybuilding

Ай бұрын

@@HipsterEstonian which rankings would that be?

5:27 stupid point for two reasons. Firstly, there aren't THAT MANY buttons in there, the buttons are HUGE and spaced out, so they take up alot of room, probably makes them easier to manufacture and use. Secondly, I would take this over a tesla interior ANY DAY. I also LOVE the toot feature. It should be standard in EVERY CAR

BMW engine. Defender looks. Airplane cockpit. This thing literally checks every box most car guys could want. Screw a Jeep or Bronco. I want this. Jesus.

I love all those buttons, makes me feel like a pilot

The trim names Trialmaster and Fieldmaster are actually a reference to famous jackets from fashion brand Belstaff which is also owned by Ineos/Ratcliffe. On the badge under the windshield there’s even the phoenix logo of Belstaff. It’s not for me but I love the Grenadier and all the stories and Easter eggs around it.

@amcn8425

Ай бұрын

Yes and Trials refers to the sport of Motorcycle Trials (extreme off road) which the jacket is eminently suited to

@allenmckay4476

Ай бұрын

Yeah a small but telling detail that 99.9% of people will miss. Unless you know what the ISDT or SSDT or Doing the Ton are or saw early pics of Steve McQueen off-road racing. Nice catch even though ima Barbour guy.

@MrDuncl

Ай бұрын

I didn't realise Belstaff is a fashion brand now. I had a nylon one when I rode a motorcycle in the 1970s as I couldn't afford leathers 🙂

13:41 the dial shows altitude and compass heading (in degrees), not temperature. Also, the steering is a mechanical steering set up (recirculating-ball steering) which is why it feels like that. Tons of other quirks with this vehicle that weren’t covered but great review nonetheless. Source - drive one of these currently

@concinnus

Ай бұрын

As others have pointed out, it's a geometry thing (caster), not a rack quirk. If the balls have so much drag that they stop self-centering, it means they're binding/overtightened.

@MrDuncl

Ай бұрын

I have read that they chose that set up as it is better for off-roading. Maybe you could explain why.

Lots of folks talking about how much they like the switches. They might be even more excited to know that there are as standard, three switches for powering three items of 10A external equipment. And with an option of a high load panel offering three more outlets of 25A and one of 500A. All the wiring is in place for light bars and winch. Btw the Grenadier winch is a $5000 option. It doesnt come with the vehicle stock as Doug implied.

I saw one on the road about two months ago and it baffled my mind because I was trying to figure out what it was! It looked like a new defender and an old one at the same time

I love it.. The shape, All of the windows!!! ITS SIMPLY FANTASTIC!!!!!

@volvo09

Ай бұрын

Yeah, they nailed it with the styling.

This is exactly the interior I want, in a world of yuk I love this vehicle

I agree with Doug, too many buttons would just be confusing, I’m fine with a few and screens.

The Trialmaster is named after the motorcycle sport of "Trials", (a low speed precise maneuvering sport) for which Belstaff, a motorcycle clothing manufacturer, produced the jacket the "Trialmaster" jacket. Nowadays, Jim Ratcliff also owns Belstaff. Steve McQueen was an enthusiastic Trials sportsman and used both the Belstaff Trialmaster jacket, and also the Barbour version of waxed cotton motorcycle jacket.

As an owner of many square 4×4's throughout the years, I actually love the look. Looking forward to watching it for the next few years for reliability.

I love the styling of these

@kleanish

Ай бұрын

will you buy me one dad

@volvo09

Ай бұрын

​@@kleanish when you are a bit older son...

@kleanish

Ай бұрын

@@volvo09 *just turned 29* Okay ☺

@volvo09

Ай бұрын

@@kleanish when you are 30

@kleanish

Ай бұрын

@@volvo09 okay Ill keep driving the s40 r-design you got me

My father in law will love this. Thanks Doug

I LOVE this thing!!!!!!!!! The buttons are AWESOME and no hybrid nonsense. Finally - SOMEONE gets it. Finally! Now - if its was 60k instead of 80.... ugh!

@eduardoizquierdo309

Ай бұрын

What is the problem with hybrid cars, if it is done right (the toyota way) it can be very convenient for when you are not off road

@batterybuilding

Ай бұрын

@@eduardoizquierdo309 hybrids have the potential to be even better off road! If in electric only mode you can have the ultimate low end torque. This monstrosity isn’t about true off road ability anyway.

@youtubespectator669

Ай бұрын

Not hybrid but there's potential in electric, specifically the ability to power and turn wheels independently without the use of a diff

@bedlambikes

Ай бұрын

@@eduardoizquierdo309 nothing is “wrong” with hybrids. I just want a free market where I can have the choice to buy a standard engine if I so desire one.