Price point actually isn't horrifying when you consider that arguably 90% of people that but a 70 series cruiser end up spending an extra 15-20k in upgrades to bring it to a decent spec. So at 100-110K for a vehicle off the show room where you don't need to spend on GVM upgrades, Suspension, tyres or wheels etc etc is probably worth it in my opinion. I would still like to see the Ineos put through its paces properly on some genuine 4x4 tracks and some remote touring to prove its capability but first thoughts are for 95% of Australians interest in this vehicle it would be more then sufficient for caravaning and touring along the coastline and driving on the beach

@jrgb9945

6 ай бұрын

It’s sure as hell isn’t cheap, but compared to Jeeps and Bronco-both garbage-not to mention LRs and G Wagons-it’s actually quite reasonable

The thing that’s missing from all these journalist presentations on the new Ineos, Grenadier is some very serious, arduous, off-road, driving ……. I haven’t yet seen it in any circumstances where it seems to actually be being put to the test. All these presentations are a nice drive down the road or across a bit of a track for the most part a very good front wheel drive. Car could actually achieve a satisfactory drive on some of these circuits. Ineos need to produce some very serious off-road footage to show this vehicle at its very best

@bryancardo497

Жыл бұрын

Or even a single non ineos sponsored video of someone doin that just once maybe. Somethings fishy.

@jeremygaynor2410

Жыл бұрын

Good comment indeed

@anoniemmanon23

Жыл бұрын

New car that's not yours... I get it. You have to buy one to take risk. Why would it not perform well?

Great review! Made more interesting then I thought I would by your presentation and genuine excitement for the Grenadier. Great stuff.

Would love a v8 burble as a classic RR is still the car I owned and loved despite 300 km from a full tank in the burbs - very glad to the Ineos launch 👏🥳

Oh man. The off roader of my dreams!!!! With probably a sticker price probably from my nightmares 🥺

great video guys, thanks for posting. the ineos forum.

Probably the first time a 4WD of this calibre has a decent pair of engines rather the the dross they supplied the old Defender or current 70 Series with. Wrangler 392 notwithstanding.

@puffingtonsmythe8690

Жыл бұрын

No it’s only got one engine!

@wasdwasdwwasd

Жыл бұрын

A diesel and a petrol are one engine?

Cracking review. This man gets it.

Beautiful car... love it.👍 subbed.

I need one! However, I will wait to see how they handle sales and service in North America. I live in a very rugged and remote town in the mountains of Northwestern Canada, so we are definitely missing totally utilitarian 4x4s, up here. The most common vehicles up here are Toyota Tacomas, Toyota 4Runners, Jeep Wranglers and assorted other pickup trucks. This vehicle is needed. Our economy up here depends on tough, rugged 4x4s, but auto makers keep making plastic luxury AWD crossovers and telling us it is what we want. It is frustrating lol.

@PL-fh8cz

Жыл бұрын

@Lunamaria Did you see Ineos is scheduling a test drive day or days in Vancouver & Seattle in May? Home for mine will be in the North Okanagan.

@lunamaria1048

Жыл бұрын

@@PL-fh8cz Thank you! Actually yes! Not long ago I posted a comment on a video on Ineos's channel saying I'm from Vancouver Canada working up in the rugged North, so could use a rig like the Grenadier. Ineos actually replied quickly, saying "We will be there soon. Keep an eye out for details". I was surprised and impressed they took time to reply to my random comment! I was raised in West Vancouver, and my parents still live there, so I'm there whenever I have any extended time off work.

@dadventuretv2538

Жыл бұрын

Check out a Jeep Gladiator with an Alu-cab or other type cap on the bed. Thing is a tank and goes anywhere- Rubicon has locking front and rear diffs, disconnecting sway bar, and handles 35s with no lift. I modded mine with steel front bumper and winch, 35s and Alucab canopy and it is still like $10K US less than what the Grenadier will cost. Only real downside is less cargo capacity, but at least I have a five foot covered bed to load my stuff. Im not even sure if the rear seat folds completely flat in the Grenadier. So unless you really need to carry 2,000 + lbs of cargo on the regular, Grenadier does not have anything else going for it over a Gladiator with a cap. I have 45,000 miles on mine, with moderate offroading (blues and a few blacks here and there) and zero issues.

@lunamaria1048

Жыл бұрын

@@dadventuretv2538 I'll stick with my 4Runner TRD Off Road lol. I need a durable vehicle that is reliable. Jeeps are problem prone. Toyota builds the 4Runner to last forever, like the Land Cruiser. Ineos is building the Grenadier to be durable and to last a long time. No American manufacturer does that.

@dadventuretv2538

Жыл бұрын

@@lunamaria1048 glad you like your 4Runner. It’s a great rig, but won’t go places Jeeps will. And why do LC drivers carry an extra alternator again? I’ve seen more CV joints, idler arms and tie-rods break on Yotas trying to keep up with Jeeps than I can count, especially with larger tires. I run in offroad clubs with guys that have been running Jeeps hard, way harder than most people push their vehs, for years. Not knocking Yotas, but I think the reliability thing can get overblown in both directions- Yotas are far from indestructible, see the Taco (although the Gen 5 4Runner might well be one of the last in NA to be built the old Toyota way), and Jeeps get it the other way, despite the fact that they’re not nearly as unreliable as people make em out to be, and when it comes to talking about when pushing em hard are actually tougher. We’ll see about Ineos. It has some potential Achilles heels (whether that BMW powerplant will really hold up to offroad use and abuse being a big one- I know it’s a good engine, but good for cars- to my knowledge it’s never been put in a veh that will put it to the kind of abuse the Grenadier will, and there are some plastic parts that might not last and I also wonder about its exposure to water crossings over time) and is built in France in an old Merc factory, both known for their high quality and reliability. 🙄 Personally, I’d keep the 4Runner for while. But the biggest issue with the Grenadier I think will wind up being price- the Grenadier is gonna make a 4Runner TRD Pro over sticker look cheap. All the things that they talk about for offroading like lockers etc are either options on the entry level model or you have to step up to the Trialmaster. Still glad to see em in the market, assuming they keep their promise to come to NA- they only have 5,000 reservations in the US. That’s about half the number of Wranglers that Jeep sells in the US in its slowest month. So I hope their numbers guys don’t decide to do some math and decide to bail on us. I am excited to hopefully be able to see and drive one sometime, and for some buyers in Europe and down under to finally get their hands on em and tell us their experiences and what it’s like to mod. I’ve seen enough fluff vids about em- get em out to people already- like I say, a lot of preconceived notions about vehs change, both for the good and the bad, once they get out there on the trails and we have actual, real world data.

If they option a pop-up roof they would be king of the offroad/overland market .Looks like it would fit perfectly.

The car that Land Rover WOULDN'T build... A new Defender that was only a small step forward from the old Defender yet cost just as much as the actual New Defender. Aside from the frame chassis and live axles, there is actually not that great a difference between a new Defender and the Grenadier. Yes, the Ineos' 6 cyl comes from BMW whereas the Defender's is a LR in-house development - but the mechanical components is not where LR's reliability issues in the past years came from. And a large number of the rest of the suppliers are shared between the 2 manufacturers. Bosch, ZF, Valeo, Behr, etc, etc... Where LR's (perceived) reliability problems were in the past 10 or so years were mainly in the electronics. And the Grenadier is not too far behind the Defender in this department. So it will be a contest to see which of the 2 is more "reliable" (in quotes and perceived above because the problems LR's had generally did not leave the vehicle stranded, it was in the ancillary systems - annoying but not mission critical). I am actually quite happy that there are 2 vehicles like this available now. The New Defender is better looking and more refined, whereas the Grenadier is more of a work horse. I do think that Ineos missed the price segment they should have targeted with a (supposedly) simpler working man's 4x4, though...

@atoieno

Жыл бұрын

Here is more hyperbole from the motoring press. Very few people need one but will want one because they think they are adventurers, and want to be associated with down-to-earth miners, farmers, or tradesmen. It might look rugged but is it? It's not all about switches. Being the owner of an old Defender and the new Defender I'm sceptical of the motive and the execution.

@landhopper4296

Жыл бұрын

The cost of development pushed Land Rover out of this segment because the demand just isn’t there. Toyota may be cutting back its 78/9 offerings and Mercedes has moved the G relentlessly upmarket and on to the road not off it. What we have here is the triple diff locks and stance of a G, rear doors of a Troopie and looks of a Defender. Ineos may end up the only player in this niche. Good luck!

@Steve_MFr

Жыл бұрын

@@landhopper4296 Except that, the Grenadier is not significantly less expensive than a similarly equipped Defender…

@mala6238

Жыл бұрын

The defender is better looking? Really?

@mynewcolour

Жыл бұрын

@@landhopper4296 You have data? How many government and NGO contracts are Ineos forecasting, what were their development costs, parts and dealer margins and the planned lifecycle of the product? It’s unlikely any of these critical factors are similar to Land Rover’s. The products don’t even share the same goal.

It’s a bit ironic that seeing as it’s an offence to so much as touch a mobile phone whilst driving, vehicle manufacturers are fitting sophisticated touch screens with menus to be paged through, and then placing them centre dash to take your eyes away from the road

It's looking promising as a proper 4WD. I like the switch gear & utility belt concept, but not the missing dash binnacle. The biggest question mark though is parts availability in remote areas. I wonder how you'll go in finding parts if you broke down in Cape York or the Simpson Desert?

@WheelsAustralia

Жыл бұрын

It's a good question. They're adding more and more dealers all around the country, but of course sales is one thing and parts support is another. Time will tell! www.whichcar.com.au/news/ineos-grenadier-australian-order-books-open

@johnedds2327

Жыл бұрын

I think that you'd find it difficult in any modern Toyota, Nissan Ford, et,c etc these days given their complex electrical and technology systems. Even the alloy wheels would be difficult to source It's not like the old Landy or Land Cruiser 80 series anymore. Cheers.

@dexterrr9163

Жыл бұрын

You cant really find enough parts for a brand new vehicle. Price is premium so parts would cost more than the any landcruisers even coming close to g wagons

I want to like it but British with a German motor doesn’t inspire confidence here in Australia. I’d need to wait a couple of years to hear how they do or don’t perform. It sounds great and is obviously well thought out. The switch gear is unique and quite clever. The silly sunroof concept needs a cover for hot weather/climates. The hose out ability is fantastic and the extra strength of the chassis is worthy but these are heavy vehicles with moderate power.

What is interesting is that it seems like the Ineos is never aired down when off-road (in all their footage) probably to not further reduce the already low ground clearance, also seems like Ineos did not listen and still has the steering damper as the lowest point in the front (well below the bash plate) so if you do any more serious off-roading probably only a matter of time till that one is ripped off. Pity they did not take a few more suggestions on board kzread.info/dash/bejne/hWxnuaielLbRkdo.html

@chriskaskadanis3795

Жыл бұрын

Stefan, your video "Ineos Grenadier - Why it's not the perfect 4wd" is one of the best and most-realistic reviews to date about this vehicle. Thank you.

Excellent review, bravo

Land Rover could have done it, but they didn't want to. If the build quality can match Toyota, the Grenadier may become a success. One big minus are the rear doors. The present design is practical to countries with RHD, but there should be an arrangement to suit LHD vehicles: the large door hinged on the left hand, the small on the right hand. I would prefer upper and lower tail gate as I've on my trusted OneTen MY 1985 and almost 500,000 km on the clock.

Would love one saw one in pennan spoke to owner vert impressed

Have they fixed the awful offset foot position in the right-hand drive model?

4:26 - a grid reference is not the same thing as a latitude and longitude: courtesy of ChatGPT: "Both grid references and latitude and longitude are systems used to specify a location on the Earth's surface. However, there are some differences between the two: Grid reference: A grid reference is a system that divides a map into a series of squares, each of which is assigned a unique identifier. The identifier consists of a letter and a number, which together specify a location within the square. For example, in the British National Grid system, a grid reference might be given as "ST 123 456", where "ST" represents the square, "123" is the easting (horizontal coordinate) and "456" is the northing (vertical coordinate). Latitude and longitude: Latitude and longitude are a coordinate system that uses imaginary lines on the Earth's surface to specify a location. Latitude is the angular distance north or south of the equator, while longitude is the angular distance east or west of the prime meridian. Together, latitude and longitude form a pair of coordinates that uniquely identify a location on the Earth's surface. In summary, while grid references are based on a map's grid system, latitude and longitude are based on a coordinate system that uses imaginary lines on the Earth's surface."

A great review, thanks for sharing 👍

glad i watched other reviews who pointed out the bad points you missed

I am excited to go on a test drive.. I love the idea that everything is customizable unlike any other. Love the idea of you getting front and rear lockers... The one thing is how about the reliability. Will it hold our harsh conditions? ( BMW engine is the one that worries me the most) will have to wait and see- Like always great review mate... Also one question? How about the driver's pedals? Are they ergonomically fine?

@legsrburnin

Жыл бұрын

Those BMW 3.0 engines, both petrol and diesel are fantastic engines. Many people swap the BMW 3.0 diesel into Defenders because of their reliability and performance. The engines were a very good choice.

@babeyoulove1883

Жыл бұрын

@@legsrburnin Wow really... Thats awesome... Hope the cars will be... Thank you.

@christianwaldner106

Жыл бұрын

6 cylinder gasoline engine even Toyota uses. i can't imagine that it is not good.

@Misiden1

Жыл бұрын

won't have a bmw engine either, far to much plastic very good for a while but then

Tell Me Ineos (yes I know that is not his name) need a cab chassis version in Australia to put a tray on. Work vechile like the seventy series Toyota which is becoming very difficult to get.

@hamisholsen4075

Жыл бұрын

Already on the way

@danielbrooke7457

Жыл бұрын

@@hamisholsen4075 Spoke to the dealership guy from Ineos at the airshow at the weekend in Geelong and asked the same question as I currently have a Defender 130 and was told the dual cab chassis will be in Oz towards the end of 2023

Will be interesting to see how many old Defender owners upgrade for this over new Defender.

@Mike7O7O

Жыл бұрын

Zero.

Always wonder why car manufacturers don’t have a touchscreen that can swivel towards the driver ! Would be so convenient!

@ntatemohlomi2884

Жыл бұрын

U win novel idea of the week, who knows maybe Sir Jim's minions are listening.

The defender is the worlds most iconic off road vehicle. The army used them for decades. This has big boots to fill.

@egbertandrew8435

Жыл бұрын

no military no longer uses Land rovers, Current Discovery is just a Mall crawler you cant even compare them with G wagons of Today

@noke258

Жыл бұрын

@@egbertandrew8435 lol imagen typing that nonsense 🤣🤣🤣

@MrDaemondays

Жыл бұрын

I would say that cars like the Toyota Landcruiser j70 are used way more in the world than the Defender. Have always been a Defender fan, but in terms of reliability and usage around the world it is more of an UK thing as far as I‘m concerned. Same goes for G class which is also a great off-road vehicle, but is mostly used in Europe. These cars are very capable, but due to price and availability have never seen such a world wide use. I really like the Grenadier since it takes the best parts from several companies and cars like the motor from BMW, the seats from Recaro and the lockers from Magna Steyr and puts them into a nicely designed frame for a fair price. As sorry as I am to say it, but (aside the fanbase keeping the Defender alive) the Defender is dead. With that in mind I reall enjoy that Ineos are carrying on the legacy and have changed many flawed things for the better. A great off-roader is born!

@ChevalNektosha

Жыл бұрын

70 series mate

@leok8183

Жыл бұрын

They are iconic, but ask anyone who actually daily drives them and they tell you how often they break down. Its more nostalgia than substance and i am happy i never have to drive a defender again.

Awesome!

I’ve heard a fair few reviews on this and as expected (aside from cost $$$) it rides like an old school ladder chassis vehicle on the road, smooth certainly wasn’t how others described it.

@jterranova

Жыл бұрын

Possibly because he’s from Australia, is thinking Landcruiser 200 by comparison and therefore doesn’t have as posh a standard but I was wondering that same thing…

@Bonnie-wg4rd

Жыл бұрын

This guy is giving a sales pitch it seems

Are those exhaust in the front?

So much better than the new Land Rover offender

@oriondoublecrossed

Жыл бұрын

@@scandinavia6271 design and ergonomics. The only edge new defender has is its build quality. There was an accident in india where the car hit at 160kmph but still the driver walked off the scene and the car was damaged beyond repair. If it was any other car,game over. Other than that grenadier is the way to go.

@oriondoublecrossed

Жыл бұрын

@@scandinavia6271 I told you why.

Long live the Defender.

I want one 😍

My biggest concern is if there are plastics in the engine and cooling system which are prone to failing after time, much like European cars in general.

@npet6842

Жыл бұрын

My wife's X5 diesel has so much engine compartment plastic that it's just a black lump. I waited 3 months for a warranty diff on a D3 , so this Company won't be covering Oz with spare parts either . Nothing's easily repairable on most vehicles . The Grenadier looks stylish , and in the UK I'd not have worries . But here , will it's distribution last or their service standard be acceptable ?

@eb2505

Жыл бұрын

@@npet6842 That's a concerning account. I do wish they'd chosen a different drive train with more metal around the engine where it counts.

Only wondering about fuel capacity and range.

Looks amazing, land rovers new defender is ugly and all like an overgrown discovery. Nothing implicitly wrong with that apart from the fact that it means that’s it’s not actually a defender anymore. LR, especially their design team really dropped the ball on this one. Great and very professional presentation btw. I’m originally from the uk in Devon so have the same nostalgia from wet and wild Dartmoor in these beasts but live in Australia now . I have to say that the price compared to rivals is in on point. I’d have this over a g waggon in a heartbeat, if only alone to avoid the Toorak tractor embarrassment.

@midlandgeordie

Жыл бұрын

Defenders are overwhelmed with orders!!

Tremendous, and puts the Pretender to shame. But when is the Grenadier going to be put to a real test, not some jaunt in British fields? You know, thousand of miles off road, towing and carrying fuel, water, gear etc, across varied landscapes?

Where do you get them serviced?

@mala6238

Жыл бұрын

BMW?

Superb review, thank you.

Perfect off road car 👏👏

Long range fuel tank?

Good 4x4, still prefer my Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 2021 (2-Door); iconic, masculine, robust; features that the Grenadier is much closer to, of course, compared to the new defender.

@seanlander9321

Жыл бұрын

In Australia nobody drives a Jeep unless it was made before 1950. They’re mall-crawlers that shake themselves to pieces if taken off the bitumen.

@adamdixon2251

5 ай бұрын

Jeep robust😂

Good God, no center gauge cluster???? I would NEVER buy a vehicle that would skimp on that quintessential element. Along with seat and windows, a gauge cluster in front of the driver is a must.

Wow - this is very much utilitarian than many choices. Across

what brand is your hat

Great review.

@WheelsAustralia

Жыл бұрын

Cheers nnoddy, we really appreciate that! - Mike Stevens

Hard to fault or applaud at this point.... but looks absolutely well appointed for purpose.

Does this car come with rear seats and a cargo space because we haven't seen any? Like we have not seen any hardcore offroading that an all-wheel ordinary SUV wouldn't be capable of. County of origin?

@michaelguerin56

Жыл бұрын

Hambach plant in France, recently updated by Mercedes before being sold to INEOS.

@_dude..

2 ай бұрын

Euro pallet sized boot and yes, it has a spacious rear cabin.

I thought the most of the grenadier target market would love "powered by isuzu" or "powered by toyota" rather than BMW

I thought it was bang on but never noticed the central speedo which i think should be against design rules, should be mounted in front of driver in line of site .

The Pathfinder thing sounds excellent.

The display screen is in the centre of the dash so you drop your eyes off the Rd to look down, not sure if this is a good idea.

@reubs91

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I can see them eventually putting in a instrument cluster. I’m not sure why they opted not to install classic speedo and rev counter, but it’s a big miss imo.

@turnerc7

Жыл бұрын

@@reubs91 I dont think its an issue really.

@alandeniserichardson7453

Жыл бұрын

James, don't see that as a problem in that with a "traditional" speedo and tacho you DO have to drop your gaze down to the dashboard below the windscreen , whereas the Grenadier screen is mounted quite high on the dashboard, at lower windscreen level, so you just need to glance to the left to see revs and speed.

@nnoddy8161

Жыл бұрын

So you never look at your touch screen in the centre stack while you are driving?

@jamesmoros1274

Жыл бұрын

A new car and so much work and I seen it up close, looks great. Just that the vital information is so far away from the driver and you have to turn your head means your peripheral vision has a blind spot. Perhaps a HUD would be a good idea even as an option but time will tell, I’m sure it will put off a few people. Great to see it in Oz.

Put a deposit down a year ago in Oz before the price increase. It’s a bargain

😍

They lost my vote based on the automatic transmission option only

How many of these very niche vehicles do they have to sell to make a profitable and sustainable business? Most overland people I know rarely buy brand new cars and they keep their cars for a long time.

@alexjohnward

Жыл бұрын

The Ineos founder just wanted it, he already has lots of profits.

You could have two of these for the price of a G wagon

i will buy a prado and use the 30 thou extra for offroad upgrades . my prado can go anywhere , yours won’t

@76fazza

5 ай бұрын

Yeah lol

nice ad. how much did they pay you for this?

That lip underneath the screen looks silly and possibly in your line of sight. Also - impressive as it all might be, I'm not impressed by the fogged up windows.

REAL Defender

This is what we want. Build more of these for fucks sake, stop rounding off shit

First of all Grenadier is comparable with old Defender only by looks and story, better comparison should be Toyota LC 105. Second, how many new trail ready cars are now on the global market?! I mean you buy the car and you are able to go directly on the trail. Jeep Wrangler Rubicon (and Gladiator), Ford Ranger Raptor and Ineos Grenadier. By payload Grenadier is the only real work horse. Rubicon is off road oriented with it's big fan club (not a work horse), Raptor is Baja performance oriented (the work horse is the normal Ford Ranger pick-up). There are other good cars but you need at least to change the tires if not the suspension. With the right marketing, Grenadier will be the choice for UN missions, mining industry, agriculture, forestry and so on, with real chance to become the new Toyota LC 105. Only in Australia, New Zealand and part of Africa there is Toyota LC 70 series and Grenadier will be a direct competitor for 76 and 78. In US there are some pick-up trucks (much higher price). For the rest of the world........... there is no other car on the market with similar payload capacity and rugged mechanics. A good market for the commercial fleets of the above industries. Also, for the overlanding enthusiasts there are not so many choices. This is why there is a good market for Nissan Patrol Y61, Toyota LC 80 and 105 and old Defender, especially in Europe. In the next 3 years we will see how they will manage spare parts logistic over the world, but it is possible to make it. For the off road enthusiasts .......... probably with a 5" lift and 35" tires Grenadier will be a wild beast, all the other needs are already there.

Still can't compete with a Jeep but it's great to see more companies trying to make and offroader,more of a 4wd than Toyota already and its a new company!

G-Fender

Awesome vehicle but about 40k too much.

IMO the Grenadier is the vehicle that Toyota should have built 14 years ago when it discontinued the 105 and replaced it with the 200. Don’t get me started with the 300 series abomination.

@npet6842

Жыл бұрын

10 speed auto , hot V twin turbos and pig ugly too ............ I'm dissappointed .

Reminds me of a polski fiat

That BMW gear lever isn't consistent with the car's design language. It's disturbing

To be honest I'd be impressed if the Granadier could successfully complete one of the classic Camel trophy challenge which made millions of people love the Land Rover .

if its not leaking oil, its not a defender.

This is what Land Rover should have done instead of the Defender they released

BMW Motor - Yuk, no wonder they named it after a grenade

Not a chance of spending my hard earned on this, supported Brexit then moved production to Europe, sorry but loyalty matters.

Lol…you can’t judge build quality after two days.

I bet the landrover will loose lots of buyers to this new model. Its about 1000x cooler than a modern landrover.

No review on ANY vehicle from these and other so called motoring journalists is worth a pinch of salt. Their survival is completely dependant on advertising revenue from vehicle manufacturers.

How many fewer Defenders will Land Rover not sell as they could not make a business case for creating a hardcore version instead of a modern SUV.

@midlandgeordie

Жыл бұрын

There is a year waiting list for a defender!!

@chrispnw2547

Жыл бұрын

@@midlandgeordie At my dealership in Northern California, they have plenty including the new 130s.

@noelcahill6707

Жыл бұрын

Landrover has to many cars now and there priced no longer for your common man

@chrispnw2547

Жыл бұрын

@@noelcahill6707 In a detailed interview Land Rover executives said they could not make a profitable business case for creating a brand new laser frame based architecture for a next generation Defender which is why we have the toughened Discovery chassis for the Defender. I hope this vehicle is successful globally.

@noelcahill6707

Жыл бұрын

@@chrispnw2547 my point is landrover have to many cars that just overy lap each other now and from a commerial point of view the fact that they have not brought out a truck to match the ford ranger and that booming work sections shows they have not got a clue

It's absurd to have an opinion on build quality after 2 days. 2 years maybe, not 2 days.

Built by a Brexiteer in France using foreign parts,originally to be built in Wales!!

@Vanrides.

Жыл бұрын

He's a business man, the French offered him a good deal.

@flummi6966

Жыл бұрын

@@Vanrides. Yes,the French and Mercedes.

@midlandgeordie

Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile UK struggling on the back of Brexit he was instrumental in achieving!!

Impressive but im sorry the interior is a mess yes it does look like a flight deck and at 40 thousand feet its safe but on the ground yuck what a mess.

But; no long range fuel tank and VW style wheel studs not nuts? BASIC fails...

BMW engine ???

give me a 14 year old Nissan patrol any day over these larping 4wd's but if these are near the best available today new what choice do you have.

Will I ever be rich enough…

Not keen on the BMW powerplant, sorry. They've let me down too many times before. Stout vehicle otherwise.

@dalemyers119

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure Toyota is using the B57 in the Supra. So there's something to be said for the petrol motor. However I'd struggle to trust the diesel motor with all the current emission standards and potentially needing Adblue as well.

Can we have full disclosure on who paid for this guy to visit and stay in the Scottish highlands and how much material in this review was supplied by Ineos? This is a total puff-piece. It's getting very old to push this stuff out when people have access to a lot of more honest consumer advice content now. He is not going to bite the hand that feeds him. That's well understood. The problem is that this Ineos car/4WD experiment is going to sucker in some people to spend a huge amount of money which they will lose when the full horror show plays out and Radcliffe cuts his losses and moves on.

It’s only $100,000. Yeah, let’s compare it to a Jeep Wrangler. I don’t think so. It’s a niche luxury car collectible for the country club set and footballers.

@dalemyers119

Жыл бұрын

Not sure where your from but the wrangler Rubicon 2 door is 90K here in Aus?

Biggest drawback is engine parts, German engines are over engineered, Should have opted for a Toyota power plant for the purpose this car was built

I'm not too keen on the whole screen thing, sorry.

Did I hear you correct ? The weight of this car is 2700 kgs ??? That is a heavy bastard ! Even a New Defender PHEV with battery pack weight is lower, 2600 kgs. Both cars are much too heavy !

If the Grenadier is the answer what was the question? In modern times this vehicle looks backward to a time when we imagined we were farmers and miners and adventurers...time has passed. so has this vehicle's market. Good luck capturing the original Defender's cachet.

@peterdallyn6440

Жыл бұрын

But in modern times, those people still exist; it's just that many of the major manufacturers have chosen to go for the bigger market of the SUV drivers.

All these car 'experts' all pushing the same stupid narrative that Ibeis have done something LR couldn't, they are either ignorant of the facts or ignoring them, thinking they are being clever/edgy.

The REAL Defender ZZZZZzzzzzzz. Beyond boring. There is a new Defender, it's incredibly capable and yes, they've not gone for the Tonka Toy look, so get over it.

Landrover sue this company copycat

@blegi1245

Жыл бұрын

For what exactly?

@JorgeRomero-jt2ne

Жыл бұрын

@@blegi1245 LR sued INEOS for trademark infringement in the UK. LR lost the case in court.

Is this guy a reviewer or a salesman, is there nothing he doesn’t like about this overpriced, over complicated and over hyped vehicle? Classic Defender is iconic because it is basic, repairable and is instantly recognisable. Yes it is a relic but one that will probably be soldiering on long after it’s “replacements” have been scrapped as not economic to repair, the fate of most computer reliant modern vehicles.

Why would Land Rover want to build a dinosaur like this thing?

@tiomicx79

6 ай бұрын

It's reliable.

@76fazza

5 ай бұрын

Because they're too busy building SMILF townie mobiles

@fisarne3000

4 ай бұрын

Because the car market is totally broken. 1000 new brands releasing crap and the genuine brands flush quality down the drain trying to keep up. Mmmmmm real switchgear. Everyone with a brain misses it. This is the first new car I really want in at least 5 years.

Crap

This is a complete waste of time and resources. Its competition is the new JLR Defender. But why spend the same amount of money on an INEOS, with no dealer network, when you can have a JLR Defender for roughly the same money, plus the dealer support, plus all of the aftermarket mods and options that will be developed. INEOS is chasing a market that no longer exists. If farmers need to cover seriously challenging ground these days there's a host of quad-bike type wheeled and tracked vehicles to choose from. Farmers wanting a load carrying and competently road going vehicle will buy something Japanese like a Subaru or similar. The only people who will buy these types of vehicles these days are the Chelsea Tractor set and leisure buyers who want to tow something. But again, why buy an INEOS, made in France of all places. The French have no history of building rugged off-road vehicles, so what compelling reason is there for buying something completely unknown, instead of a new Defender? Apparently the reviewer seems to believe that a range of vehicles are to follow. To do what? What niche isn't already uber competitive? Instead of Grenadier, they ought to have named it the Grenade. Because when these start to fail and sales collapse, the effect on the guy financing this folly, will be like a grenade going off in his wallet.

@dalemyers119

Жыл бұрын

Sort of see wheat your saying but you lost all credibility when you put JLR and Dealer Support in the same sentence 🤣 The Way INEOS have approached these issues so far already shows better customer service then JLR. There's a reason that there so many independant Land rover Specialists around the world. And I struggle to believe because the car is built in France it's not a good rugged vehicle. Because If we use the same theory then JLR vehicles shouldn't be capable as I've never seen Slovakia, Brazil, India or China make a rugged off road vehicle. You tend to sound like you have some sort of financial interest in JLR with your rant.