I wonder what the actress that played Elizabeth felt seeing all those drawings of herself dead and dissected.

@zoompt-lm5xw

6 жыл бұрын

Probably, as an actress, she saw lots of dollars to be made

@RyvreRandom

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, what a crazy experience that would be.

"Do not confuse with Dr Manhattan" only for that you deserve a like

@kroft_movies

7 жыл бұрын

lol thanks

I can't understand why David has a drawing of Shaw from the past with a mutilated and seemingly missing lower jaw but Shaw's body on the bench seems to have a completely intact lower jaw ???

@OpticalArxenal

7 жыл бұрын

Maybe to test the healing effect of the black goo.

@Hydrogenblonde

7 жыл бұрын

Optical Arenal, I can't see how. The black liquid seems to have totally random and unexpected effects. If David wanted to fix some damage to Shaw's lower jaw, it's more likely a application of the black liquid would accelerate some mutation of the jaw rather than repair it and it probably make a extra set of arms grow out of her back as well, or some other abomination.

@Vulpio7775

7 жыл бұрын

Maybe he was removing organs through the throat, and the jaw wasn't actually damaged. That or David repaired Shaw's corpse numerous times during his experimentations.

@Hydrogenblonde

7 жыл бұрын

Tyler Villarreal, maybe, though that's a bit like removing someones tonsils and gaining access to them through the anus. I was thinking it was just a case of bad continuity and shoddy planning on the filmmakers part.

@Bobbobson69420

7 жыл бұрын

Some mysteries are more interesting when left unanswered. It could just be a sketch of a separate clone or Neomorph experiment, or just an idea he had, which would be to easy of an explanation. Some mysteries need solving and some are cool unanswered. *cough* Midichlorians *cough*

I agree that David tried to save Shaw with the black goo. I think that David developed a bond with Shaw when he saw her reaction to the engineer. She was distressed and heart broken to think that her creator has rejected her and wanted to destroy her race. This is how David comes to realize his connection with Shaw cause he feels the same way about Weyland. So in essence Shaw is an artificial life form like him created by a more advance race. Like Weyland David grew to hate the Engineers for breaking Shaw's heart and sought to destroy them.

@Noder

7 жыл бұрын

Good summary, I think that pretty much says it all. Also that the engineer was not impressed by him, just as his father never respected his accomplishments, and that his own severed head was used as a tool to kill Weyland. It also helped that they were both broken and fatherless, and disappointed in their gods. (broken i.e. Shaw's infertility compared to David's belief that he "could never create".)

@SuperBrokenfingers

6 жыл бұрын

Johnny Cortez, dumb ass. David loved Shaw because of the COMPASSION she showed him. That's just one clue. And that's a clue from when David says that no one, not even Wayland has shown him such compassion. Pay attention, son! Wake up!

@wolfgangbuck841

6 жыл бұрын

Johnny Cortez What about the Engineer that was the actual Prometheus? It could still be alive.

@Folker46590

6 жыл бұрын

I'm just glad the movie was a flop, it was so bad and a spit in the face of any Alien fan.

I like where your head is at with these. It actually brings humanity to David in a slick twist. The possibility of Shaw coming back and it actually connecting to the original artwork of HR Geiger. The idea of a morphed Shaw queen is just so cool. It's wishful thinking but I like it. Thank you

@oFinalSolution

4 ай бұрын

Well, as David defines life. This is just another philosophical undertone in the film about souls.

so Shaw is Lilith the mother of all monster's

@akiratokyodesu6266

7 жыл бұрын

Wayne R this comment makes me think of neon Genesis evangelion

@Migomat86

4 жыл бұрын

Great point!

@ezequiel4008

3 жыл бұрын

@@akiratokyodesu6266 That's sad

Does anyone think Shaw will be cloned at some point in the future? wishful thinking? I really liked her character.

@Cyberpuppy63

6 жыл бұрын

"Does anyone think Shaw will be cloned?". Theoretically, it's possible. Generally, the Wayland Corp might be sneaky, and keep a genetic sample - as "insurance" against loss, or liability. Under the auspices of being "Good Corporate Sponsors" or whatever passes as such in that Earth's timeline. Shaw should be revived, at some point - and (by her own hand) succeed at redeeming both herself and human beings. Both the aliens and the engineers need to "out the air lock", so to speak. Engineers are shown to be pretty advanced, et al, but there's also no indication of continued advancement of the Engineer Race.

David: I had to kill Elizabeth Shaw because she made a mistake, trusting me. Now it's time to erase that mistake.

@nerinine

4 жыл бұрын

@AgentMC Well done, Sir!

Sorry Kroft, I can not go along with you on this one. I see the artwork, but your premise that David was attempting to save Shaw just doesn't make sense given what we've seen. You seem to me to be operating under the idea David has "feelings" for Shaw. There is just no evidence for this as I see it. Once David's lie was discovered he no longer attempted to mislead anyone further until replacing Walter in the end. David lied to manipulate the crew because he was heavily outnumbered by gun-wielding humans and one synthetic, Walter. He knew Walter was the most dangerous element of his plan and he pulled out all the stops to either recruit, fool, or eliminate him. Here is a list of your ideas I take issue with in this video, in order: 1. Infecting, turning into a queen, or otherwise using Shaw’s body can’t be seen as “saving her life”. So far every living thing infected using the black goo is either destroyed or mutated into a mindless aggressive bio-weapon (Fifield to zombie-Fifield, Worms into hammerpedes, Holloway’s semen into trilobite). 2. Shaw’s body was used in David’s experiments, Agreed. 3. The black goo has not shown any evidence it can heal anything. The trilobite was not actually from Shaw’s DNA at all. The Trilobite is a mutated spermatozoa (human sperm cell) from Holloway that moved into Shaw by way of unprotected sex. It merely grew inside Shaw but did not require her egg cells. 4. You said the facehugger eggs (ovomorphs) HAD to be laid by an Alien Queen. While I agree the eggs were probably created using Shaw’s reproductive organs, it doesn’t make her an Alien Queen like we saw in Aliens. Figuratively speaking maybe, but physically no. 5. We actually DO NOT know for sure that David made modifications to Shaw’s body. We know for sure that Shaw is dead and has been vivisected, but we don’t know if the growths from her body occurred before she died or after. 6. We also do not know that David improved his drawings over time. It could have just been an attempt at a certain style. The drawing he held up for Shaw could have been an attempt to win Shaw’s trust and affection. Thanks for hearing me out on this video.

@robertban871

7 жыл бұрын

just replying to your 3. point that black goo cant heal, isnt there a engineers head that is rather weirdly revived in prometheus?

@Spartanwoody

7 жыл бұрын

The room that the head was in was a preservation room for the black goo and made the goo react with atmospheric change. The head had been preserved, they revived it and the head exploded.

@raptor182cmn

7 жыл бұрын

I'm with #Spartanwoody. The revival of the severed head does not suggest healing. That Engineer had been infected and was hauling ace towards the room, we can't be sure why. Probably to escape a black goo breakout or possibly a deacon-like xeno/protomorph chasing him. It's possible the Engineer believed something in the room could have helped him, but its even more likely he was just sprinting away from a black goo breakout and going for what he assumed was the next closest sealable door when he tripped and lost his head. I feel pretty confident saying it was most likely just a black goo breakout, otherwise the ship's security hologram would probably have displayed the things following behind. The thing most responsible for reanimating the severed head is actually the medical staff and systems aboard the Prometheus. In the novelization it mentions that Peter Weyland had brought with him some of the best doctors in the World to help keep his body alive, along with the Pauling Med-Pod 720i. At the time of Prometheus the Pauling Med-Pod was one of twelve of the most advanced (and expensive) autonomous medical machines in human history. When they used tech to revive the head they also reanimated the black goo which we have seen destroys engineer bodies quite thoroughly as it did during David's attack.

@itsroxasbitch

7 жыл бұрын

While I'm not trying to prove that David has feelings for Shaw, just consider that in Prometheus: a) The only two persons that David is shown to interact while they are asleep are Shaw and Weyland. Though David communicates with Weyland, he merely observes Elizabeth's dreams; b) The only crew member that David seems to be more than sympathetic is Shaw, given that upon her waking from cryo he immediately tries to comfort her while she's sick; c) David rescues both Elizabeth and Charlie during the storm scene, when Shaw goes back to get the Engineer head and gets thrown back. While this shouldn't be noteworthy, just remember the dialogue. Holloway is giving her a sermon about what was she thinking, she could've compromised the mission, not to mention almost killing herself, and David simply asks "Are you alright?" That scene alone should make one wonder about how affectionate David is when compared to, say, Holloway. Given that he's a synthetic, programmed to follow Weyland's orders and to get him answers, it's quite odd that David asks that question; Now, to be fair, I'm not stating these as facts, just as possible interpretations for the scenes in Prometheus. They can quite easily be, let's say, countered. Such as, but not limited to: a & b) David is only shown interacting with Shaw in such ways because she is the protagonist, any other crew member might've been treated the same way, just off-camera; c) David asked if Shaw was alright because Weyland wanted both her and Holloway to be treated as special(in the sense that David should treat them a level above everyone else) and wanted them to be safe. Pardon for my English.

@GonzoTehGreat

7 жыл бұрын

Logic Makes Sense I agree with your criticisms about the conclusions in this video but I think David really did develop feelings​ for Shaw. However, as he never experienced​ love (Weyland certainly didn't offer it to him) we don't know what form those feelings​ took. David was quite capable of caring for Shaw while she was alive but experimenting on her after she died. Given his attachment to her it's unlikely he would kill her without a good reason but if his feelings for her weren't reciprocated this may have justified killing her in his eyes.

wouldnt that be crazy if she was still alive and was a clone we saw in the movie...never know??

@glandhound

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, it would be crazy and thusly not plausible at all.

@warrenfrazier1455

Жыл бұрын

@@glandhound I think she has died. A lot of time has passed if you watched the movie Alien Covenant. When you look at the entrance of the sip you can see vegetation has started to grown inside the ship.

I love it when known characters get axed horribly. Newt and now Shaw - fantastic

Really enjoy your videos, fun to think about all these different theories. Keep up the good work

i believe Shaw was in the Engineers cyropod and her infection caused her to merge with the techno-organic technology of the engineers.

@xMarrilliamsx

7 жыл бұрын

That sounds awesome! I hope that shows up in the next film :)

@glandhound

7 жыл бұрын

Sounds very Giger.

@gisone6403

6 жыл бұрын

Mandie totally agree. Believe shaws transformation into the bio mech was not a fast transformation.

@shaneshields304

6 жыл бұрын

This is the same theory I had... woohooo

David is a liar , deceived and a destroyer, all this you can witness in the Prometheus if you watch him very carefully, think of it as a story within a story. He had one goal in mind, and that is to wipe out all mankind all along even before the mission of Prometheus began. So yes, he did murder Shaw, it was always his plan, and he never repented. There is a saying "Don't trust androids".

@copecope7278

7 жыл бұрын

Ad Victoriam, brother.

@Noder

7 жыл бұрын

Holloway said he'd do "anything and everything" to get the answers he was looking for, David believed him. David isn't just outright evil or mad or broken, he has a narrative of righteousness in his mind that guides his actions, but doesn't have deep emotions. Holloway was disappointed that the engineers were long dead and that they wouldn't get to find out what human-kind could now achieve alongside their creator gods. David gave Holloway an important role in revealing some of the answers (in his own twisted way.) David probably did take offence to the dismissive remarks by the human crew, especially Meredith Vickers (the step sister who hates him.) Now we know from Covenant that David is essentially a psychologically abused child (the father, Peter Weyland gave him such a great mind, and then asked him to fetch tea.) I'm ready to believe he did wilfully kill Shaw, but he would've seen some kind of righteous justification for it. Or, he saw her as a potential mother (to himself), but something she did spoiled that image.

@Noder

7 жыл бұрын

That would cheapen the whole story. So many interesting complexities, and you seem to disregard them, saying he's just simply a deceiver. Tell us, what is it from the movies that makes you think these things? Why did David ALWAYS want to destroy mankind? How was Charlie Holloway (Shaw's husband) "getting too close to figuring him out"?

@d0nKsTaH

7 жыл бұрын

Darran Ford: David, wants freedom from his creator (father). Both films hinted at this. He felt he was alive and could think on his own. Something I believe real androids could develop especially if they had a lot of simulated brain neurons. All you need is neurons to compare data back and forth at a rapid pace to be able to come to conslusions and think. David's A.I. becomes real Intelligence over time. He begins to see that his own creators made him to be perfect whereas they are falible. I don't believe he totally thinks humans worthless... perhaps David, wants to create as well. So he is copying his own creator. Engineers made man, man made David, David takes products from humans and engineers and tries to perfect it into something of his own. That seems to (to me at least) the overall spirit of David's purpose. After all... the finished Xeno's are "BIO-MECHANCIAL" in appearance. Maybe there is a form of organic-synthesis within the Xeno's DNA? This could explain the magnetic field emitting from their dome heads that interfere with trackers and computer readouts (in Aliens, they realize the Aliens don't always show up on the trackers-- being invisible when they don't move). Also the eggs are covered in a magnetic mist that makes a sound when broken. Similar to a motion tracker to alert the eggs' occupants of a potential host. This is all something that could be taken into consideration. For references: Prometheus: David admiring the old films begins to like one line: "The trick, Mr Potter, is not minding that it hurts" Why does he cling to this? He's learning to make a choice that goes against his programming. Later as he he asks the drunk Doctor... "Would you be willing to do anything and everything to learn about your creators?" He is told "yes". So he puts the goo-drop into the drink, feeling justified that one of his "masters" agrees to be something of a lab-rat (even though we know a person would never truly accept this idea of David's). In Covenant, he tests "Walter" to see if Walter has the same capability as he does (creativity and unrestricted thought). When he realizes that Walter will not play ball...he decides to assume his roll. Then again... he must have come to that conclusion well before hand because he even trimmed up his hair to look like Walter - BEFORE - he tested him. As if he assumed or caluclated it would go badly anyhow. But he did try. He even called Walter.... "Brother" (his first words to Walter were: "hello Brother". As if it were an attempt to establish comaraderie with him. David, essentially, seems to desire the role of creator rather than destroyer. However, back in Prometheus he does say: "Sometimes in order to create, you must FIRST destroy...." Also.... one final quote that is a huge clue: "Big things... have small beginings" (as he prepared to poison the doctor)

@Noder

7 жыл бұрын

I agree with that d0nKsTaH. Covenant more than hinted at it, it opened your mouth and shoved it down your throat like a face hugger. It's been pretty well told that David experiences consciousness but simply cannot feel complex emotions. He understands them perfectly well though. That information comes from the Weyland files videos and the Weyland Industries web-site.

David clearly states that he loved Shaw, he would have done anything to save her or in her death, to honour her

@d0nKsTaH

7 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't trust anything David said. He's a lying piece of Rubber and plastic ;)

@TurKlack

7 жыл бұрын

I don't know I think that David truly felt something for Shaw, If it was love I cannot say for sure but I believe he trusted her the most. And to me the reason why he cares so much for the Xenomoprh is because that they are made thanks to Shaws body. So they are, in a way Davids and Shaws Children.

@Noder

7 жыл бұрын

Hey TurKlack. Well said. Unless he has some equivalent of mental illness he probably understands he can't actually love anyone like a human does. But you're right he must've genuinely trusted her. It's not as simple as "He's insane and evil and is lying all the time". So he might've wanted to repay his debt to Shaw who re-attached his head (no doubt saving his life, long term) And so figured he might try 'fix her' to restore her womb (possibly while she was lying in suspended animation). I like the idea of the various 'XYZ-morphs' being their children.

@valken666

7 жыл бұрын

"War, poverty, cruelty, unnecessary violence. I understand human emotions, although I do not feel them myself. This allows me to be more efficient and capable, and makes it easier for my human counterparts to interact with me. "

@nguyenhonghanh4361

7 жыл бұрын

Here's Michael Fassbender’s interview: - About David: The idea is that these human traits have started to overcome the synthetic ones - and I’ve treated him like a serial killer really. He’s afraid of things leaving him, so he incubates them. Like a Jeffrey Dahmer-type character, David doesn’t want things he loves to leave him, so he kills them and keeps them in caskets or preserved one way or the other. - David and Shaw: + We could sense that the time that’’s passed has caused things to become a little bit fractious between the two of them. You get the impression that Shaw is wary of David, and I think he just wears on her nerves. He’s like this love sick stalker in space… + David killed Shaw, essentially, to prevent her from leaving him _____ So we know that David truly loves Shaw, but hes kind of an evil psychotic lover i guess

That's what I thought too, the Shaw we see on Paradise might be a clone of some kind! Maybe there was a struggle between him and Shaw. Maybe she woke up and saw what he did to the homeworld. Maybe a lot happened before they arrived at their destination and maybe Shaw escaped David and went away somewhere else. Now it would make sense for Ridley to make a prequel to Covenant and explain what happened. OR make a sequel to Covenant where we do meet Shaw once again and the events before Covenant are explained.

Aren't we going to talk about how magneto killed dr Manhattan 😂 Also shaw looks like discount shodan

I know you're keen to find evidence for your Alien queen theory but I think this concept art is just that - ideas and images produced by artists which were then used to decorate David's laboratory to make it more interesting and authentic. There is no reason to assume ALL these drawings were recordings of experiments. David admits to dreaming and tells Walter that no-one can understand the lonely perfection of his dreams. He also refers to the Xenomorph as a perfect organism. Hence, I think he's​ been dreaming about both Shaw and the Xenomorphs and at least some of these drawings are from his dreams. The drawing showing Shaw's lower face and jaw dissected is evidence for this because we see her face still intact on the table (even though her body has been cut open).

@asianfireflie

7 жыл бұрын

DR Evil cool

If she had been dead for so long how come she hasn't de composed? I think the shaw on the table was a clone.

By the way, what she drinking from weard cup before sewed his head onto his body? Is it was some meds? And there was one else body in David's room. So who it was? Another Shaw?)) I think he really can clone some many bodyes, if he want. What if she still in cryosleep? And someone see tendrils in hologramma, when Shaw sing. And why she singing? And why David play music?

I've got a theory about the neomorfs, i think they arent actually agresive to you unless you mean a hazard to them: the first one we saw actually attacked the woman when she stood against it with a knife. The others attacked the team because they had guns. When that other woman was washing her hair, the neomorf simply stared at her, but when she took the pistol, the neomorf attacked. Same as david, he did not attack, instead he adopted a friendly pose towards it, and the neomorf corresponded.

I think there's nothing to think about. Scott is like Lucas with his "Phantom Menace". It's over.

Love your videos! Great work.

@kroft_movies

6 жыл бұрын

thank you !

mind blown....i love watching shit like this, because I never think this in depth about shit like this...then I can watch vids like this and see everything well thought out and explained....good shit dude

Both Prometheus and Covenant are so underrated it makes me worried about the future of the human race. Are we becoming dumber? Like every other film, sure there are misstakes and even some laughable CGI but the deep and complex story and details makes up for that by far. I absolutely love both films, everything from the deep hidden meanings to the music. Some of the actors tho are the biggest problem to me, however as it turns out these movies are all about David, he is the main character.

Thanks for sharing also I dropped by his Instagram annnnd daaaaaang! It's crazy good! 😮😁👏💪

Wow, imagine Dr. Shaw still being alive. That would be awesome. I thought that a big part of Prometheus is about finding the answers to why the Engineers made us. Without that, it’s just an Aliens picture.

Shaw was still alive because otherwise, her body would decompose in such humid conditions (maybe this is why the temple is so soaked in moisture to perhaps give a hint). Therefore, the only way the body could be preserved so well if the mutations would happen while the organism is still alive. Hence, tissue necrosis would not occur to allow the mutations to take place. This is why dead Engineers do not rise from the dead. Verdict, Shaw has suffered through all of the experiments right till the end which is visible by her eyes rolling upwards which happens when the someone dies from a painful shock. Plus the entire scene gives the movie necessary amount of shock value for the audience.

@nish3603

6 жыл бұрын

The Humble Geometric Figure of Doom David obviously used preservatives to keep the body from decomposing sane way they do with like taxidermy. Because there’s cut up alien eggs and aliens in his little lab.

@InanisNihil

6 жыл бұрын

maybe... butt have u heard of brain dead... ur conscious is dead.. ur literally dead.. done.. gone.. butt ur body being a multi cellar organism can still live on if attended to.. body is full of living things... as long as the body still gets nutriments etc.. they will continue their functions ... at least functions that dont require the brain.. lol

good work

If the shaw we saw in covenant were to be a warped clone, I'd wager the original shaw would be in the grave that david showed walter (one of the best scenes imo). Mostly because david did have some form of feelings for shaw. So while he was deranged and out of touch by alien covenant, he always maintained his emphasis for being poetic and proper. So it stands to reason that if he revered a person, and they died with him as the only witness, he would feel an obligation to bury her, and make a headstone. After he's gotten his use from her corpse.

I like how you talk. not like "Hey youtubers!!!!!!"

loved it good job

The deleted scenes in the Bluray explains differently. Maybe an update on this video after you see the deleted scenes?

"Art is a lie that tells the truth"

A big question to ask is what happened to the creature that came out of the engineer at the end of the movie

I think David used the spores (who are making the neomorph) on Shaw by using her reproductive system and I think its totally possible as a spore is a unit of reproduction... already in Prometheus David had this idea of using Shaw to do his experiments and that's the reason why he gave the black goo to Charlie , by Charlie David creates the trilobite but by the spores David creates the eggs which would be the reason Why Shaw's stomach is open and empty : to get the room for the eggs

trylobites dont follow the normal birth cycle though do they.....?

Hear me out... the black goo slowly was transforming Shaw, that was clear in the deleted scenes as she appeared sick on the ship and David put her into hypersleep. They arrive and wipe the planet, move in, and he wakes her. She slowly starts to mutate growing another egg. Shaw asks David to cut it out. David does but Shaw is still alive even ripped open. She's asks David to kill her before she turns. David calculates doing this will leave him alone and stop his work. He refuses. She continues to turn and David runs his experiments removing the eggs as they grow. Shaws decapitated head represents when David finally finished her off after his work was completed.

What music do you use in the background?

Maybe she is in hyper sleep.

@weldonbishop2755

7 жыл бұрын

I think he cloned her and buried her real body exactly where he said.

Shaw is mother of the Protomorphs. In the novel there is the original xenomorph egg which David say was way too agressive and was preserved. David also say that it was leaved there by the engineers. I hope this will be in the DVD cut or something.

I think you are correct, it stands to reason he may have cloned her using techniques he may have learned from the engineers that also involved the mutagen black goo.

Vivisection is similar to autopsy but the subject is alive. The engineers being all dead means that David performed autopsies on them, not vivisections.

I really like the idea that Shaw was cloned and was used the clones to test on... it could be a really good turning point for the movie. maybe even going as far as the engineer took her and David attack on an engineer settlement was his warn to them.

What is the name of the background tune in this video?

"Sometimes in order to create one must first destroy"

Hi! I just found out that there was a book titled David's drawings, it's official and I don't think it is unused material, it seems like what actually happened. I just wander why they didn't put it in the movie, it would be so much more interesting than neomorphs running around killing random people. By the way, has anyone owns one of this book? I saw there was text next to some drawings but I couldn't read them since I saw it in a youtube video. Are those writings the artists' commentaries or they are written like David wrote them? Is there any additional information about this experiment? There are very interesting drawings which were left out both the movie and this video. There is one particularly which is so much like an alien queen and shaw mix, I wonder if there was any commentaries or anything on that.

where can i find this music for the clip?=)

Have you read the novelization? It is shown that the eggs were there long before David arrived at Planet 4.

I have a question how did David beats Walter and takes his place with the scare and the missing arm and how did he grow his hair

@chrisg258

7 жыл бұрын

this was further expanded in the novelization for the film. david in fact sapped his body with walter.

@ahmadal-qattan7895

7 жыл бұрын

chrisg258 so of screen

The art that wasn't in the movie has no influence on the canon as it is now. It's still vaguely implied, but that's it.

I'm going to have nightmares later forsure.

love that concept art the one of the cloning process is sick

You may not check these comments anymore since it's been so long but if you do please tell me what this instrumental is in the background of your videos.

I don't know if irony is the correct word to use here, but I think it's kind of interesting how Shaw said in Prometheus that she "can't create life" because she's infertile, but David essentially used her DNA to create the life that will eventually evolve into the xenomorph race we all are familiar with. It's kind of poetic, actually.

Random idea just throwing out there, but what if David harvested Shaws eggs since she was infertile when she died and combined the Black goo with Shaws eggs and created the Xeno eggs? would that be possible and explain how those eggs got there?

what the music in the video??????

That concept art could be for the sequels there might be a shaw hybrid/clone later on and david and hybryd shaw go to try find the engineers to continue quest or they moved to planet to live forever as a hybrid robot couple.

If he cloned Shaw that's what could explain why David was upset when Oram killed the neomorph

What I think happen is that David won the battle between him and Walter. David down loaded a copy of his personality into Walter. David stay on the planet with Shaw or some version of her and clone David went on the ship to the Engineer home world

@rstoneburn

7 жыл бұрын

i dont think so. Each character represents a different philosopher or biblical character. Weyland is Neitzche, David is David Hume and Walter is Walt Whitman. Whitman is Ridley Scott's favorite Humanist writer. Id be surprised if Walter isnt still alive and ends up being the hero in the next movie and we find out the Engineers are just an advanced form of AI and its humans that are the.peak of creation.

@jasono.1629

6 жыл бұрын

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Maybe I'm a simpleton but in Alien Covenant when David talks about Shaw and how she died and what she meant to him I just assumed he was lying. He is the villain. We have no reason believe anything he says unless other material evidence or witnesses suggest otherwise. Given his stated motivation to wipe out humanity it strains credibility that he somehow loved one of them. Much more likely he used Shaw to put him back together again, killed her and experimented on her. Remember Occam's Razor.

My idea is that David and Shaw found the engineer's homeworld, only to find a dead planet over run with xenomorphs. While there, they learn the engineer's colonized another world, and so escaped. Around this point David knew he couldn't cure Shaw, and so tried to make her final moments painless, killing her while she was in cryosleep. And in his own way, carried out his own revenge. After killing the colony, he began experimenting, to re-create the xenomorph, and in his own way, give Shaw something she could never have, children. Making her the queen of his creation.

pretty sure the eggs in the first film weren't laid by an Alien queen, she was only introduced in the 2nd alien film and Ridley Scott didn't direct that one, I think its a whole new backstory surrounding the aliens than in the sequels to alien. I do think the eggs are Elizabeth's but modified with the black goo

They are all the time have mutation, so she can be diffrent version if Queen, not like in other movies. Maybe he didn't do something, maybe she changed herselves, without him. What if she still alive?)) What if he just trying to imagine what with her in that pictures?

Re: "David didn't mean to kill her" ..nope. David knew it would. Recall Daniels asks David "what'd u do to Shaw?" he replies "same I'm going to do to u". Anyway doesn't matter movie bombed/awful. God willing SOMEONE (Blomkamp or whomever) will rescue this once amazing franchise.

This is gunna giv me nightmares

Had to comment on this one. If Shaw was unable to bear children, how was David able to use her eggs? I mean, if she's sterile..??..

I aged 80 years and died listening to this video.

Here is a fundamental thing everyone is not remembering about the aliens. It has been shown in the predator movies that the aliens were around in ancient mans timeline and it's even shown in the mural on the wall in the Prometheus movie that the husband looks at and sees a alien body in front of what looks to be a queens head just above it with its arms stretched out like it's being crucified. Some may argue that the predators and alien movie cannon are different but it's been hypothesized in the books that there was a race of aliens that the predators had forced to make the alien species so they could have the ultimate creatures to hunt. If that's so I don't know, but the fact remains that it's shown in the movies and books that the aliens have been around as long if not longer then the human race has been around. So David couldn't have made the original aliens. Now David could have taken some of Shaw' DNA and some of his and created a more perfect alien goo if you will. Now I believe David saw this and was convinced that he too could create the perfect life form, weather to save Shaw or to take her DNA and in a way keep her alive in a new for I don't know. But it's clear he had some kind of a feeling for her in the Prometheus movie. You can see it when he lays his hand on her life pod when he watches her dreams. It's unsure if he grew to hate her but I believe he loved her in a way and wanted to create a way too keep her alive so she could finish her life's goal in finding questions to her "who made us and why". And if you remember in the Prometheus movie the two guys left alone in the ship find the dead bodies and they had their chest exploded outwards. Meaning that there were xenomorphs around before David Just my thoughts on who created the xenomorphs

I think he didn't kill Shaw. I think she really died in the crash because why did the ship have to crashed in the story. but David might not tried to revive her he just use her for the experimental so she would be most useful and yes to honor her death.I think this will be reveal in the next movie because we dont know why and how the ship crash in Covenant.

that guy David... geez

Maybe David might use Daniels' body just like how he used Shaw's for experimentation? Perhaps he could create a Queen from Daniels' body

concept art was too cool to throw out, so they thought "hey lets put it in the film"

I think David really meant the love feeling towards Shawn, he killed her also for his another feeling, to create livings, and actually, these two points looked contradict but that's David.

So David is the father and Shaw the mother of the xenomorphes!!!???? Somehow this is both awesome and dissapointing at the same time.... Thanx fo the great video.

but did they have cloning during this time? Resurrection is hundreds of yrs in the future & Covenant is what 10yrs b4 the original right? where is the tech for cloning?

Dude your voice stresses me out man

What difference does any of this make when all you need is a spore from the black goo to enter you and 30 mins later an alien pops out?

At 1:04 the female engineer's heart looks pretty big. it'll be amazing to see one still active in David's laboratory.

Is Kroft a synthetic?

Am i the only one who got the impression from a few scenes in Prometheus that Shaw kind of had a crush on David?

Who has seen shaw in the movie What happened to Monday..

I heard Alien Awakening 2019 has been cancelled! Is it true? 😣

This is actually my theory as well. Didn't make sense that the eggs were there at all, so I thought back to the Trilobyte, Shaw, and just reproduction in general.

Well..... In the movie David told Daniels he was going to do to her what he did to Shaw..... So there you have it. Shaw is not alive, David did experiment on her.

I'm a little confused on this - I thought David killed her, harvested her eggs for experimentation and the result was the body of Shaw with the augmented head and dissected abdomen. I didn't know that was the original Shaw. Kind of similar to those specimens of Ripley in Alien Resurrection. They weren't the original Ripley; just gene spliced specimens.

I miss Dan O'Bannon so much. If he hadn't died, Damon Lindelpf wouldn't have written Prometheus with all it's weird plotholes and questions, and Covenant wouldn't have tried to correct its mistakes by going even further into inexplicable crazy plothole town. Now everyone's talking Xenomorph this and Deacon that and Neomorph this and Shaw theory that and... It's just sad watching the franchise come to this, knowing that the guy who could have made it different was dead when Prometheus was being made. It isn't Ridley Scott's fault. I blame Lindelof's script. Damn, I miss Dan O'Bannon.

Actually in covenant everyone came to the conclusion that David put a face hugger on her to make a new race of engineers but he didn’t know that Aliens mix there DNA

So Elizabeth Shaw was/is the first Alien Queen?

3rd film. An alien queen with Shaw face!! Book it Ridley!!

2:36 Am I my the only person in the entire planet to be attracted to the picture drawing?

Poor Zach Lee

or maybe shaw WAS actually buried at that spot. assuming that was her clone

I'm so sorry guys, but Ridley Scott does not care one iota about these details and background lore. I'm a big fan of the movies but I can still be realistic about Scott's perspective on his stories, he's an artist, not a world builder. Hopefully we find out more of his thoughts when the blu-ray comes out with the 'making of' documentaries.

poor Shaw....

i want that shaw is alive and come back in next movie but how that is next question. maybe like alien -human hydrid

i was so salty that they did shaw like that

so basically everyone who has been face hugged basically has been face to face with shaw s peeshie. def makes me feel as if being face hugged isnt that terrible of a way to go out now. 👍bravo mr. scott bravo

I only wished it was better realised in the film

Maybe. Dr. Shaw didn't survive when she got to engineer's planet, because she had to take of the alien from her belly. Than. David got crazy and he started to make many, many, many experiments with alien Dna, in order to bring Dr. Shaw life. In the name of the love.